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The DNC is really gunning for Sanders. They are terrified of him.

MSNBC Anchor: Sanders Is No Good Samaritan'
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#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-27 08:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The DNC is really gunning for Sanders. They are terrified of him.
MSNBC Anchor: Sanders Is No Good Samaritan'
freebeacon.com

POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2020-01-27 08:22 PM | REPLY

Of course they are. Bernie is a threat to the DNC Elitist snooty people.

#2 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-27 08:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

He's the Donald Trump of the left.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-27 10:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 2

Give'm hell, Bernie!

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-01-27 10:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If Sanders wins Iowa and New Hampshire, President Hope and Change is going to lead a Stop Sanders movement. He's itching to demonstrate he still has clout.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-28 08:56 AM | Reply

"If Sanders wins Iowa and New Hampshire, President Hope and Change is going to lead a Stop Sanders movement. He's itching to demonstrate he still has clout."

I think that's an empty threat. He doesn't want to do anything to threaten his or his wife's Instagram Influencer status.

#6 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-01-28 09:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He's the Donald Trump of the left."

That's hysterical. Even if he in fact is full of empty promises there's no way in hell he's as dangerous to this country and its reputation as Trump. And you know it.

#7 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-01-28 09:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

Sanders allies in new uproar over DNC convention appointments. "Sanders's allies are incensed by two names in particular " former Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), who will co-chair the rules committee, and Hillary Clinton's former campaign chairman John Podesta, who will have a seat on that committee. The Sanders campaign unsuccessfully sought to have Frank removed from the rules committee in 2016, describing him as an aggressive attack surrogate for the Clinton campaign.' . . . One of Podesta's hacked emails from 2016 showed him asking a Democratic strategist where to stick the knife in' Sanders, who lost the nomination to Clinton after a divisive primary contest."

They're going to give you the shaft, Bernie.

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-28 09:42 AM | Reply

Tell me why?

He hates just as many people as Donald does.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-28 02:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"FLAGGED FUNNY BY HAGBARD_CELINE"

Coward.

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-28 05:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

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It is ----------- for liberal and/or Democrats to be sniping at one another's candidates at this juncture. Nobody other than the GOP profits from the acrimony. I encourage us to only engage in constructive criticism when commenting about other Democratic nominees for the nomination who we do not support. Because you know the rightwing hacks and partisans will be eager to always throw more gas on any fire.

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-28 05:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is ----------- for liberal and/or Democrats to be sniping at one another's candidates at this juncture. Nobody other than the GOP profits from the acrimony. I encourage us to only engage in constructive criticism when commenting about other Democratic nominees for the nomination who we do not support. Because you know the rightwing hacks and partisans will be eager to always throw more gas on any fire.

POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2020-01-28 05:36 PM | REPLY

Really?? You don't say. LMFAO

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-28 05:50 PM | Reply

Apparently, the only thing the Dems hate as much as Trump is their own foot. That would explain why they are constantly shooting themselves in it...

#13 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2020-01-28 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's the deal with Bernie Bros hating women?

Does it have something to do with Sanders rape fetish?

#14 | Posted by Tor at 2020-01-28 10:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The DNC is to be destroyed.

A quarter turn to the left of Nazis isn't going to cut it as progressive anymore.

The left has told their children that the world was going to end for their entire lives, and now they've created a based zoomer army, and doesn't believe the -------- and they aren't going to compromise for any election.

Congratulations, you built this.

Now vote for anyone but Trump like you said you would.

#15 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 07:37 AM | Reply

"They are terrified of him."

They should be.

Working like a ----------- to get into double digits in the Electoral College in November is not a happy prospect to contemplate.

#16 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2020-01-29 07:45 AM | Reply

Terrified of him? Last time he just couldn't get votes so he lost (Hillary won the Dem nomination by WAY MORE than Trump won the Repub nomination). Maybe his supporters should focus less on whining and bullying people, and more actually trying to convince people to vote for him.

And when he is unable to get the vote (again) the Bernie Bros will probably all sit out the election again to help get Trump reelected. Because they much prefer to whine about Trump and claim that Bernie would have been better than to actually face the accomplishments of a Dem that can actually win an election.

#17 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-01-29 07:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 Going back twenty five years to point out that Liz Warren used to be a republican that voted for Reagan and Bush 1, was against civil rights for gay people and for limiting the availability of bankruptcy for poor people is an insult to her character but taking a 50 year old comment out of context to bash Bernie is perfectly acceptable to Tor. Not that it wasn't obvious already.

#18 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-01-29 08:00 AM | Reply

The narrative being spun by GTBritish sounds great until you realize his alternative is a guy who was in his intellectual prime and couldn't beat Michael Dukakis in a primary. Since then, the razor has dulled by ten points and he's running against Trump.

Losertown.

#19 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 08:13 AM | Reply

Mod: are you going to make good on your campaign promises?
Bernie: let's be cleah!! Bibiddy babble bargle...

#20 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-01-29 08:18 AM | Reply

Mod: are you going to make good on your campaign promises?
Bernie: let's be cleah!! Bibiddy babble bargle...

#21 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-01-29 08:18 AM | Reply

And when he is unable to get the vote (again) the Bernie Bros will probably all sit out the election again to help get Trump reelected. Because they much prefer to whine about Trump and claim that Bernie would have been better than to actually face the accomplishments of a Dem that can actually win an election.

Everyone knows the real problem with Hillary's campaign is that she "chose" Kaine over Bernie. Trump has been caught saying as much in private conversations.

Why anyone would listen to the sour grapes from centrist democrats is beyond me.

The media and the DNC colluded to railroad Bernie.
He should have been named VP. He wasn't and he still did three times the campaign appearances for Clinton than she did for Obama.
Now it's 2020 and he's the clear cut leader and being attacked like crazy. The media and old crone Clinton have both guns blazing. The final boss Obama may be out soon with a few shots of his own.

You idiots are more than happy to do Trump's work for him as you LOVED to say in 16. Well, to hell with you.

Yes, there are a lot of people who are willing to take the L again to get rid of the centrist boomer imbeciles once and for all.

They hate the DNC for 2016.
They hate centrist democrats for the pure unmitigated BS of Russiagate, instead of taking responsibility for the greatest election failure in history.
They hate centrist democrats for the waste of time that is impeachment.

The only position you've had on the 2020 election for four years is "anyone but Trump." Well guess what, criteria met. Now YOU get to work and bring new people out to vote.

Congratulations. You built this.

#22 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 08:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They hate centrist democrats for the pure unmitigated BS of Russiagate,"

That's a bit of an exaggeration but it's fair to point out that it never should have been close enough that just a few thousand votes in three states was decisive.

#23 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-01-29 08:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes, there are a lot of people who are willing to take the L again to get rid of the centrist boomer imbeciles once and for all.

Congratulations. You built this.

#22 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

If they truly feel that way... more power to them. But they don't.

For example, many times I have told Laura (and other third-partiers on this forum) that she, and people like her, got Trump elected. That by voting third party they are responsible for him being President.

If what you say is true, then the response should have been "And it was worth it. We sent our message and it is worth the cost."

But I have not ONCE heard the little "third-party" cowards say that. Instead they try to say it is the Democrat's fault. Or it is my fault for being mean to Bernie and pissing off all the Bernie Bros and hurting their little feelings.

I am confident and proud of my choices when it came to the election. Even with the less than ideal outcome. I voted for who I believe was the correct choice, and I would do so again. It is telling that they don't seem to be able to say the same.

They are the same as the conservatives. Lots of conservatives are unable defend Trump. Pretty much acknowledging that any Democrat WOULD be better. But saying that if I am not "nice" to them, if I am "mean" and point out how crappy their nominee and candidate is, then they will vote for him again out of spite. Instead of doing the what they think is the RIGHT thing, they will be emotional little snowflakes and vote the WRONG way out of spite. It is childish and immature, and in that way the Bernie Bros and the Trumpers are EXACTLY the same.

Someone needs to make these coddled little Boomers and Bernie Bros grow up and act like adults for a change.

#24 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-01-29 09:21 AM | Reply

Sander's own campaign staffers appear to be worse than his internet army.

After Abolishing Landlords, We Don't Have to Kill Them': Project Veritas Reveals More Radical Sanders Staffers

townhall.com

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-01-29 09:22 AM | Reply

That's a bit of an exaggeration but it's fair to point out that it never should have been close enough that just a few thousand votes in three states was decisive.

The main point was that Russiagate was a tool to prevent self reflection of the DNC failures of 2016, in an attempt to maintain the status quo rather than moving the party toward a populist 20's style democrat approach.

#26 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 09:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For example, many times I have told Laura (and other third-partiers on this forum) that she, and people like her, got Trump elected. That by voting third party they are responsible for him being President.

You're out of touch. Laura is old.

Centrist democrats just spent four years telling the youth that Hitler is president and the world is going to end in a decade from climate change. Now they're going to scratch their heads when they show up in unprecedented numbers to vote for the guy who's going to solve the problems, instead of the guy who's not Trump and does the least damage to their parent's 401k.

You are going to have to reconcile that message or they aren't going to show up.

If it's the end of the world if Trump is elected again, it's Sanders.
If it isn't and Biden is fine, then the youth have been lied to and disenfranchised again, and you're on your own.

You've created your own electoral al-Qaida. You know what AQ does when you aren't telling them who to attack? They come after you.

#27 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 09:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

But saying that if I am not "nice" to them, if I am "mean" and point out how crappy their nominee and candidate is, then they will vote for him again out of spite. Instead of doing the what they think is the RIGHT thing, they will be emotional little snowflakes and vote the WRONG way out of spite. It is childish and immature, and in that way the Bernie Bros and the Trumpers are EXACTLY the same.

You got it all wrong. They don't care about what you think about their feelings. They are steadfast and resolute and have 70+ years to go. You are the wishy-washy, pragmatic clown who'll be dead in thirty. So what's it going to be? Anyone but Trump, or Trump?

The DNC really should have made Bernie the VP.

#28 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 09:37 AM | Reply

"That by voting third party they are responsible for him being President."

And why did people vote third party? Because the Democrats put up a ---- candidate.

Put the blame where it belongs.

Timorous people like you who are so afraid to leave your R or D fold are the reason this country is so ------ up politically. Our founding fathers gave us a wonderful tool, the vote, to give us quality leaders. But 94% of the country is too stupid to know how to use this tool. Because of that they keep ensuring we get the same ------ leaders election after election.

Thanks

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2020-01-29 10:02 AM | Reply

by voting third party they are responsible for him being President.

If you truly believe that, you should support Bernie as the nominee to make sure none of his supporters vote third party and give us four more years of Trump.

Now is not the time for purity politics. You've made it clear that the party will only stick together and vote D if Bernie is the nominee. Time to become a Bernie supporter to make sure we beat Trump.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-29 10:09 AM | Reply

Now is not the time for purity politics. You've made it clear that the party will only stick together and vote D if Bernie is the nominee. Time to become a Bernie supporter to make sure we beat Trump.

See, GT has got a retirement to worry about...and really, things aren't that bad after all, are they GT? Vote Biden!

But you can count on him in the general. *wink,wink*

#31 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 10:13 AM | Reply

"See, GT has got a retirement to worry about...and really, things aren't that bad after all, are they GT? Vote Biden!"

It wouldn't be fair to those who were screwed over in the past to prevent people from being screwed over in the future.

#32 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-01-29 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

GT has the audacity to cry about coming together and accusing Bernie supporters of being childish. Now listen to that nonsense within the context of taking a look at the DNC appointing peak filth to the nominating committee literally yesterday.

It's just an absolute who's who of garbage human beings from the worst corners of the planet, all with one goal, destroy Bernie Sanders. Because they'd rather stand with garbage than Bernie.

Now we can talk about talk, or we can talk about what's really happening, because that's what's really happening.

So no, it's Bernie, or nobody...and if this thing flames out, take some notes this time around instead of crying about the Russians.

#33 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 10:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That's hysterical. Even if he in fact is full of empty promises there's no way in hell he's as dangerous to this country and its reputation as Trump. And you know it.

#7 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

No, but he is trying to gain power via empty promises and faux populism.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 10:45 AM | Reply

They hate the DNC for 2016.
They hate centrist democrats for the pure unmitigated BS of Russiagate, instead of taking responsibility for the greatest election failure in history.
They hate centrist democrats for the waste of time that is impeachment.

Sounds like people who are too idiotic to be taken seriously.

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 10:49 AM | Reply

No, but he is trying to gain power via empty promises and faux populism.

He can end the wars. Which may finally happen if there's a president who doesn't give a ---- what Republicans think about him, for once.

#36 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 10:51 AM | Reply

After Abolishing Landlords, We Don't Have to Kill Them': Project Veritas Reveals More Radical Sanders Staffers
townhall.com

#25 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

LOL so you dismiss the abundant evidence of Trump's mental decline...while pushing the work of a thoroughly debunked and dishonest outfit like Project Veritas?

Maybe you're loathe to admit what you see in Trump because you see it in yourself?

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"while pushing the work of a thoroughly debunked and dishonest outfit "

Are you kidding? That's all Nulli has.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-01-29 10:55 AM | Reply

No, but he is trying to gain power via empty promises and faux populism.

#34 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2020-01-29 10:45 AM

It worked beautifully for Trump

#39 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-01-29 10:56 AM | Reply

Time to become a Bernie supporter to make sure we beat Trump.

#30 | POSTED BY JOE

LOL my how twisted "Progressives" have become.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 10:57 AM | Reply

He can end the wars. Which may finally happen if there's a president who doesn't give a ---- what Republicans think about him, for once.

#36 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

The wars are largely ended and what's left to be done is probably already in motion thanks to Trump's foreign policy.

The hard part will be decreasing DoD funding, which is a must if his pipe dreams are even going to be remotely possible.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 10:59 AM | Reply

It worked beautifully for Trump

#39 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

That's why I don't like it.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 10:59 AM | Reply

Sounds like people who are too idiotic to be taken seriously.

Unfortunately for you, their votes count just as much as geniuses such as yourself. Just like last time.

Maybe you'll figure that out before this election, and win something for a change.

Probably not. But at least you'll be the smart guy.

Small victories, I guess.

#43 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 11:00 AM | Reply

That's why I don't like it.

Contestants who play for style points are called "losers," stable genius.

#44 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 11:01 AM | Reply

Unfortunately for you, their votes count just as much as geniuses such as yourself. Just like last time.
Maybe you'll figure that out before this election, and win something for a change.

LOL I love the attempts at condescension by resident idiots with fury and rage but little of anything else.

I'm well aware their votes count as much as mine. I know that that's why Trump is probably going to win again in 2020 either way because

A. The "Progressives" win and Trump sweeps the middle of the country...again

B. The "Progressives" lose and like the petulant children they are they take their balls, go home and sit out the election so they can smugly say "I told you so" in their blissfully self-unaware states

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 11:03 AM | Reply

Contestants who play for style points are called "losers," stable genius.

#44 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

Fake politicians and their supporters are what's called "the problem," schit for brains.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 11:04 AM | Reply

A. The "Progressives" win and Trump sweeps the middle of the country...again

Yes, the probable under anti-labor Clinton or Biden somehow becomes impossible under pro-labor Bernie, when margin of error turnout increases wins those states across the board.

Just go with the Russians. That's a little more your speed.

#47 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 11:08 AM | Reply

Fake politicians and their supporters are what's called "the problem," schit for brains.

"The problem" is called the election, loser. The thing you're supposed to be trying to win?

Just go with the Russians.

#48 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 11:10 AM | Reply

I would like to see a little more political consistency in these elections from Democrats. That's why I'm going with reformed Republican Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden over Bernie. Maybe we can appoint Hunter Biden to the Fairness in Elections committee?

#49 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 11:13 AM | Reply

Now vote for anyone but Trump like you said you would.
#15 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

That's the plan for most of us.

By the way. Hilarious posts throughout the thread. Good combination of trolling and concern trolling rolled into one.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-29 11:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bruce.

Hillary lost in 2016.

It's 2020. Time to let go of all your bottled up hate for Bernie.

Or hold onto it, whatever, it's your high blood pressure.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-29 11:24 AM | Reply

Or hold onto it, whatever, it's your high blood pressure.

Bruce is another one who can't handle at 40 percent market drop at his age.

Bruce, just buy some bitcoin and hedge like every other ------- with money. Don't be a sellout.

#52 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 11:29 AM | Reply

somehow becomes impossible under pro-labor Bernie, when margin of error turnout increases wins those states across the board.

Despite polling support for Bernie's ideas they're kryptonite in elections. Why else did Warren step in it when she refused to admit her plan would require tax increases?

Voters want want want but don't want to pay pay pay.

Throw in voters who aren't going to utilize free college, already have medical insurance and don't have student loans and you have mobilized voters against Bernie.

Just go with the Russians. That's a little more your speed.

#47 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

Funny how you can only hold one idea in your head at a time and assume it must be that way for others.

Hillary being terrible and the Russian interference aren't mutually exclusive issues.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 11:30 AM | Reply

"The problem" is called the election, loser. The thing you're supposed to be trying to win?
Just go with the Russians.

#48 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

Yeah, it would be totally easier if Bernie could just start running things, right?

What's ironic about your statement is you're pointing out the exact reason your ideas are losers and you don't even know it.

#54 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 11:32 AM | Reply

Despite polling support for Bernie's ideas they're kryptonite in elections. Why else did Warren step in it when she refused to admit her plan would require tax increases?

Elizabeth Warren is a windsock and a sucker. She took on the imbeciles who were running Kamala's campaign, and Clinton's campaign in 16, and their advice immediately tanked her.

#55 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 11:35 AM | Reply

Way to miss the forest for the trees.

Doesn't matter who advised her to so blatantly avoid the question of taxes.

She did. People noticed. People deduced the answer.

It will be the same for Bernie and his ideas.

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 11:38 AM | Reply

Yeah, it would be totally easier if Bernie could just start running things, right?

What's ironic about your statement is you're pointing out the exact reason your ideas are losers and you don't even know it.

A total government stalemate and major pullback from overseas adventures is as good as or better than a Trump presidency, and miles better than the bipartisan hellscape we'll be given by Biden or Warren presidency.

#57 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 11:38 AM | Reply

She did. People noticed. People deduced the answer.

It will be the same for Bernie and his ideas.

You really don't get it. Explaining IS losing.

You watched it happen and still don't believe it.

No wonder it seems so hopeless.

#58 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 11:41 AM | Reply

You seem to be unable to get it.

Explanation or not, a policy that will make people pay will be a loser, even if the same voters say they want it.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 12:24 PM | Reply

If you truly believe that, you should support Bernie as the nominee to make sure none of his supporters vote third party and give us four more years of Trump.

#30 | POSTED BY JOE

No. I will not give in to you petulant children trying to blackmailing me into supporting Bernie. This is why you are EXACTLY like Trumpers. I will vote my conscience and have faith that the system will work. If the system doesn't work (because of spiteful children like you) then I can accept that with a clear conscience because I know that I did what I thought was RIGHT.

Because if Bernie, in my mind the inferior candidate, ends up getting the nomination because I did compromise my values and then he LOSES, where does that leave us? Then I WOULD regret my decision, like many Bernie Bros do now. And like them I would be fighting with a blemished conscience. I intend for my conscience to be clear. That is how I live my life.

And to be clear, if Bernie wins the nomination, I will vote for him. Because I am not a petulant and immature little child. Bernie is clearly the superior option compared to Trump. Regardless of how disappointed I may be that my preferred candidate did not win the nomination, I will not spitefully withhold my support from him if he is the superior option in the general.

#60 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-01-29 12:36 PM | Reply

You seem to be unable to get it.

Explanation or not, a policy that will make people pay will be a loser, even if the same voters say they want it.

You want to play by imaginary rules. That is a loser's game.

Trump won't. He isn't going to explain anything. He's going to flip any relevant question back on the candidate.

That's exactly what Bernie should do and that's what it appears he's going to do.

Explaining is for losers. Karl Rove built an entire career on this premise.

#61 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 12:39 PM | Reply

No. I will not give in to you petulant children trying to blackmailing me into supporting Bernie. This is why you are EXACTLY like Trumpers. I will vote my conscience and have faith that the system will work. If the system doesn't work (because of spiteful children like you) then I can accept that with a clear conscience because I know that I did what I thought was RIGHT.

You are the child. Go read the convention committees. This is not an honest process. If you see that and still have faith the system will work, you have a mental illness.

You wanted to be treated with respect, then act like it.

#62 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 12:44 PM | Reply

If the system doesn't work (because of spiteful children like you) then I can accept that with a clear conscience because I know that I did what I thought was RIGHT.

Imagine typing this with a straight face. It's such a pearl clutching crock that I had to quote it twice.

You probably didn't even know about the convention committee did you? Of course you didn't. MSDNC isn't shoveling any of that ---- into your gaping maw.

So spare me the --------. You got one eye on your 401k, and ---- these kids. Have the decency to say it, anyone but Trump.

#63 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I will vote my conscience and have faith that the system will work. If the system doesn't work (because of spiteful children like you) then I can accept that with a clear conscience because I know that I did what I thought was RIGHT.

You sound like the people who voted for Jill Stein. Enjoy "voting your conscience" and letting Donald Trump win another 4 year.

#64 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-29 12:57 PM | Reply

Bernie Sanders would make a GREAT President. Bernie's supporters though make a somewhat offensive argument that the reason the rest of us should vote for him is because none of them will support any other Democratic candidate besides Bernie, - so if we don't vote for Bernie, we are helping re-elect Trump. That is the kind of argument that almost guarantees supporters of other Democratic candidates will not support Bernie if he gets the nomination. Bernie's should be saying that they will support the Democratic nominee no matter who it is. Playing the petulance card is just a big turn off.

#65 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-29 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#65 I'm half trolling, but i do find a hard time distinguishing it from Biden supporters claiming we should compromise our principles and vote for him because he's the guy who can beat Trump, for example, and i wonder what guys like GT's strategy is to convince Bernie supporters of to vote for another milquetoast corporatist nominee aside from just ridiculing them and calling them children.

#66 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-29 02:30 PM | Reply

Bernie's supporters though make a somewhat offensive argument that the reason the rest of us should vote for him is because none of them will support any other Democratic candidate besides Bernie, - so if we don't vote for Bernie, we are helping re-elect Trump. That is the kind of argument that almost guarantees supporters of other Democratic candidates will not support Bernie if he gets the nomination. Bernie's should be saying that they will support the Democratic nominee no matter who it is. Playing the petulance card is just a big turn off.

YOU DON'T SAY!

Welcome to 2016 for Bernie supporters. Now it's your turn.

You know, you guys would have spent some time thinking about the major Achilles heel of "anyone but Trump" if you weren't focused exclusively on the new red scare for the last four years.

#67 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 02:36 PM | Reply

#66 | POSTED BY JOE

Think about the Tea Party. They got dozens of preferred candidates elected. Did their policy initiatives ever see the light of day? Nope. Did they nudge the GOP to the right when the party was mostly out of power? Yes.

I think the same dynamic is playing out today, but on the other side. I see Bernie Sanders as the Ron Paul of the left. His appeal is strong within the base but limited outside of that.

Personally, I'm an originalist. I strongly favor federalism - the federal government being limited to its powers as enumerated by the Constitution with the rest falling to the states and the people, as proscribed by the 10th Amendment. What I've learned over the past few years is that my view on this is a minority view. George W Bush correctly identified the untenable trajectory of SS funding. So, he proposed partial privatization, which would have only exacerbated the funding problem. When Democrats grudgingly acknowledged the problem but stated the partial privatization was a poison pill for them and had to be removed from consideration in order for a debate to occur, Bush demanded that ALL options had to be on the table. The end result - nothing happened. That's how I see a Bernie Sanders presidency playing out - constantly going for broke and failing to move the needle at all.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-29 02:41 PM | Reply

"i wonder what guys like GT's strategy is to convince Bernie supporters of to vote for another milquetoast corporatist nominee aside from just ridiculing them and calling them children."

But it's the "Bernie Bros" that are the bullies.

#69 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-01-29 02:45 PM | Reply

Think about the Tea Party. They got dozens of preferred candidates elected. Did their policy initiatives ever see the light of day? Nope. Did they nudge the GOP to the right when the party was mostly out of power? Yes.

Donald Trump was the second generation mutation of the Ron Paul Revolution.

Ron Paul -> Dick Armey FreedomWorks Co-opt -> Donald Trump backlash

Bernie Sanders -> Elizabeth Warren Co-opt (you are here) -> ????

#70 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 02:46 PM | Reply

It is great seeing the people who called Trump literal Hitler for four years are a little uncomfortable with the abrasive discourse when asked to address the problem with urgency.

Perhaps there would have been some room for nuance if you hadn't gone to eleven on the hyperbole five days into the Trump presidency?

#71 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nuance from a president that mocks the disabled?
Puuuuuuuulllllease

#72 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-01-29 03:05 PM | Reply

Nuance from a president that mocks the disabled?
Puuuuuuuulllllease

#73 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-01-29 03:05 PM | Reply

"George W Bush correctly identified the untenable trajectory of SS funding. So, he proposed partial privatization, which would have only exacerbated the funding problem."

"Privatization is really a plan to dismantle Social Security"

"In contrast to private retirement funds, traditional Social Security provides a guaranteed income, paying benefits every month for life " with increases for inflation. After adjusting for risk, Social Security has a rate of return equal to that of any mix of financial assets in private accounts. With more than 60 percent of beneficiaries relying on Social Security for at least half their income, it makes no sense to gamble Americans' future Social Security benefits on the roiling forces of the market.

Instead of providing a secure, defined benefit as Social Security now does, privatizers would encourage workers to gamble a growing percentage of their payroll contributions on private investments. As the proportion of private investment increased, the amount of a worker's defined Social Security benefit would decrease " until it reached what could only be considered a poverty-level amount. Of course, the worker would reap any gains in the privately invested funds, but would also risk losing some or all of it, leaving little or nothing for retirement.

To lay the groundwork for any new attempt to privatize the system, the political right would no doubt ratchet up its rhetoric about Social Security going "bankrupt" and needing "modernization," even though there are modest and manageable measures to keep the system solvent for most of the rest of this century " without putting retirees' benefits at risk.

In fact, as the Washington Post noted in 2012, "The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) found that diverting payroll taxes into private accounts would not improve the health of Social Security " unless the plan included sharp payroll tax hikes and benefit cuts."

www.cnbc.com

#74 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-29 03:36 PM | Reply

You're out of touch. Laura is old.

#27 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE AT 2020-01-29 09:30 AM | FLAG: -

HAHAHA ---- you. I'm only near 50. That's not old.

#75 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-29 03:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

For example, many times I have told Laura (and other third-partiers on this forum) that she, and people like her, got Trump elected. That by voting third party they are responsible for him being President.

#24 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL AT 2020-01-29 09:21 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hillary is the reason we have Trump as president. She was THAT bad. I didn't get Trump elected by voting third party. That's ridiculous.

#76 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-29 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

HAHAHA ---- you. I'm only near 50. That's not old.

Hah! I'm 43. Compared to a Zoomer, you're old as ---- and so am I.

#77 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 03:55 PM | Reply

No way. Those trolls don't represent Bernie's true supporters and I can say that none of the real Bernie supporters condone that kind of behaviour. Personally, I have never encountered that kind of Bernie Bro and I would stand up to one if I did come across them. That said, I think Bernie is the best candidate and he is the right person to lead the Democratic party and all Americans toward a better future. His plans are doable and well supported. They will be paid for these ways and will result in a happier, stronger, united America.

- No Bernie Supporter Ever

#78 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-29 04:00 PM | Reply

I'm only near 50. That's not old.

#75 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2020-01-29 03:47 PM | FLAG:

They say the legs are the last part to age.

#79 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-29 04:01 PM | Reply

I suppose it is apropos to mention that Joe Biden still has not publicly committed to supporting Bernie Sanders if he wins the nomination.

#80 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-29 04:05 PM | Reply

Joe doesn't need to say anything of the sort. He went up against Barack and then supported him by becoming VP. He supported HRC. He's a man of high character who will do the right thing to support the left.

#81 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-29 04:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Explaining is for losers. Karl Rove built an entire career on this premise.

#61 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

LOL I've stated explicitly the explanation is irrelevant.

You seem like the guy who's had an argument with himself and is just speaking as if you're in that argument.

#82 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 04:09 PM | Reply

#81: Normally I would agree. On the other hand, HRC has publicly come out against Bernie. And there does appear to be a growing level of acrimony between the two camps. But I hope you are correct. I hope Biden does the correct thing no matter who gets the nomination.

#83 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-01-29 04:13 PM | Reply

That's how I see a Bernie Sanders presidency playing out - constantly going for broke and failing to move the needle at all.

#68 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

"Progressives" in a nutshell.

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 04:13 PM | Reply

#76 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR -- Laura I am an independent so hear me out for a moment.

Yes, Hilary was a horrible candidate and I threw my vote away on Johnson, however with that said I knew at the time that we should elect Hilary over Trump and they were the only viable candidates. Had I been in a swing state where my vote mattered I would have held my nose and voted Clinton because of how bad I expected Trump to be. Anyone in a swing state that didnt vote for Hilary over Trump is absolutely the reason Trump won because AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME no other candidate had the ability to win. It was one or the other, and no amount of you or I wishing things were different will change that right now, that is the reality of our two party system. The place for you or I to be heard is in the Primary. If we dont get our wish then sitting it out and pouting doesnt change who is up for election. This year I will still be living in a state that will go to Trump so I still have flexibility to vote 3rd party, and I dont pay enough attention to where you live to know if you do or not. But I do hope that Trump is kicked out of office (no matter who the candidate turns out to be) because it terrifies me what precedent he is setting and how much worse a second term could be.

#85 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-01-29 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#76. I agree with you wholeheartedly on this, Laura.

No candidate is entitled to a vote. Like you I voted 3rd party in 16. Neither major party candidate earned my vote so they didn't get my vote.

#86 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-29 04:17 PM | Reply

I bet those that criticize Bernie Bros never condemned Hillary's PUMA's you remember them in 2008. Party Unity My Ass

#87 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-29 04:25 PM | Reply

LOL I've stated explicitly the explanation is irrelevant.

You seem like the guy who's had an argument with himself and is just speaking as if you're in that argument.

No JPW, the explanation is the whole story. Playing by rules that someone else isn't, then complaining they aren't following the rules is loser talk.

Didn't your dad teach you this ----?

#88 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-29 04:26 PM | Reply

More good sense from Idaho, more tragic self-serving platitudes from Kansas and wherever Jeffy is from.

#89 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-29 04:27 PM | Reply

how much worse a second term could be.

#85 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO AT 2020-01-29 04:17 PM | REPLY

How much worse a second term will be. CTFY

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-01-29 04:29 PM | Reply

No JPW, the explanation is the whole story. Playing by rules that someone else isn't, then complaining they aren't following the rules is loser talk.

LOL

There is no explanation or lack there of to sway older, established voters to support Bernie's proposals of student loan forgiveness, free college and MFA with no option for private insurance.

Way to double down on my point. I'm not talking about rules, I'm talking about an electorate in critical states that won't spring for "soshulizm" even if they would benefit or want it. Voting habits and patterns have shown this over and over.

#91 | Posted by jpw at 2020-01-29 04:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#81: Normally I would agree. On the other hand, HRC has publicly come out against Bernie. And there does appear to be a growing level of acrimony between the two camps. But I hope you are correct. I hope Biden does the correct thing no matter who gets the nomination.

#83 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2020-01-29 04:13 PM | FLAG:

I don't even think she really said that Mod. You need to get over how much you expect from her. She's not your dog.

#92 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-29 04:49 PM | Reply

You need to get over how much you expect from her. She's not your dog.
#92 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Bruce.

All people expect from Hillary is for her to shut up and fade into obscurity.

You're so desperate to bring up 2016.

Do yourself a favor and let it die. This thread has remained relatively tame, despite your desire for blood.

#93 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-29 06:41 PM | Reply

You all need to stop blaming Hillary's loss on Laura.

She's from Kansas.

Even if Laura convinced all her neighbors to vote for Hillary.

The state would have still gone to Trump.

Donald Trump won the election in Kansas with 56.16% of the vote. Hillary Clinton received 35.74% of the vote.

en.m.wikipedia.org


That means 8.1% of vote went to 3rd party. Let's say that 8.1% voted for Hillary. She still would have lost Kansas with 43.84% of the vote.

2016 was 2016. It's 2020.

What are you going to do?

I live in California and guarantee the Democratic candidate will win the state. But. After 4 years of Trump. I'm going to vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is.

My top three choices being Bernie, Warren and Buttigieg.

#94 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-29 06:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-That means 8.1% of vote went to 3rd party. Let's say that 8.1% voted for Hillary.

which is absurd. Hillary would have gotten maybe half of that 3rd party vote at most.

without a 3rd party candidate, some of those folks don't show up at all, so you can write those votes off for either candidate. After that, it would likely be a split or close to it.

All these 3rd party arguments rest on the assumption that all those votes would go to Hillary.

totally absurd. It's just a pathetic attempt to blame folks for Trump's victory.

#95 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-29 07:00 PM | Reply

Sanders got screwed by the DNC in 2016 and paid Clinton back by only tepidly supporting her. He had his followers relentlessly attacking her during the general. Sanders is the reason Hillary lost. Recrimination is understandable and of Sanders wins the nomination I fully expect Hillary to try and knee-cap his campaign.

Now that I've just added fuel to the bitter acrimony on the Democrat side y'all can go back to attacking each other.

:-)

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-29 07:03 PM | Reply

Hillary would have gotten maybe half of that 3rd party vote at most.

without a 3rd party candidate, some of those folks don't show up at all, so you can write those votes off for either candidate. After that, it would likely be a split or close to it.

I agree with all of this.

I was making the point that regardless of anything Laura did in 2016. Hillary wouldn't have won Kansas.

This entire thread is sour grapes.

Bruce needs to blame someone for Hillary's loss and he can't bring himself to blame her for it.

#97 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-29 07:10 PM | Reply

Clown and Ebs,

Whilst I think you both make strong arguments, #96 is clearly the best argument.

#98 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-29 07:14 PM | Reply

Sanders got screwed by the DNC in 2016 and paid Clinton back by only tepidly supporting her.

This is true.

The DNC should have announced they were going with Hillary and skipped the primaries charade.

Then things may have turned out better for her.

I would have had more respect for the party. Honestly is refreshing in politics.

Or perhaps we were to believe Lincoln Chafee was actually a candidate for the presidency. The guy nearly died of flop sweat during the first primary debate.

#99 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-29 07:15 PM | Reply

Honesty is refreshing in politics.**

#100 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-29 07:16 PM | Reply

The main thing that should be clear to anyone paying attention is, the Democratic Party is too big to represent both left wing and moderate Americans.

There needs to be a third party in order for people to feel they are actually represented.

#101 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-29 07:22 PM | Reply

- regardless of anything Laura did in 2016.

Regardless of where Laura lived, even were it a swing state, she would have done the same thing. Ax' her.

And those who threw their votes away or piously sat on their hands handed the election to Trump.

They could't stand it that the voters gave her a landslide primary win.

How dare they!!

#102 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-29 07:40 PM | Reply

- regardless of anything Laura did in 2016.

Regardless of where Laura lived, even were it a swing state, she would have done the same thing. Ax' her.

And those who threw their votes away or piously sat on their hands handed the election to Trump.

They could't stand it that the voters gave her a landslide primary win.

How dare they!!

#103 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-29 07:40 PM | Reply

Hic!

#104 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-29 07:40 PM | Reply

-And those who threw their votes away or piously sat on their hands handed the election to Trump.

you figured out that anybody who didn't vote for hillary, regardless of the reasons, didn't help Hillary.

nice catch

#105 | Posted by eberly at 2020-01-29 07:43 PM | Reply

Bruce.

You're so desperate to bring up 2016.

#93 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-01-29 06:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Link?

#106 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-29 07:47 PM | Reply

" Sanders got screwed by the DNC in 2016 and paid Clinton back by only tepidly supporting her."

Patently false. He did more campaign events for her than she did for Obama in 2008.

"He had his followers relentlessly attacking her during the general."

He did no such thing. Stop lying.

#107 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-01-29 08:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Regardless of where Laura lived, even were it a swing state, she would have done the same thing. Ax' her.
And those who threw their votes away or piously sat on their hands handed the election to Trump.
They could't stand it that the voters gave her a landslide primary win.
How dare they!!

POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-01-29 07:40 PM | REPLY

Absolutely correct. I wouldn't have voted for her in Maine in Spain or in the pouring rain. Not in France in pants nor in a trance. She would never get my vote in a coat in a boat sailing in a moat. How do I make it more clear?

#108 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-29 08:17 PM | Reply

8

Thanks for confirming what I said...You made it clear all along. You getting your way was more important than keeping Trump from being elected; the will of a landslide of primary voters be damned.

You chose your favorite candidate over the candidate that was the best of the only two available candidates, what's better for the country isn't even on your radar.

You think voting is like picking out what shoes you will wear, and if you don't like your choices you'll go barefoot, which is fine for dressing, but leaves a lot to be desired when performing the civic duty of voting for the best interests of We the People.

#109 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-29 09:00 PM | Reply

Thanks for confirming what I said...You made it clear all along. You getting your way was more important than keeping Trump from being elected; the will of a landslide of primary voters be damned.
You chose your favorite candidate over the candidate that was the best of the only two available candidates, what's better for the country isn't even on your radar.
You think voting is like picking out what shoes you will wear, and if you don't like your choices you'll go barefoot, which is fine for dressing, but leaves a lot to be desired when performing the civic duty of voting for the best interests of We the People.
POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-01-29 09:00 PM | REPLY

via GIPHY

#110 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-29 09:49 PM | Reply

#107 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

Lighten up, Francis.

I was trolling.

#111 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-29 09:53 PM | Reply

The main thing that should be clear to anyone paying attention is, the Democratic Party is too big to represent both left wing and moderate Americans.

There needs to be a third party in order for people to feel they are actually represented.

#101 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

That is a recipe for disaster unless a similar split occurs within the GOP.

Split the Democratic Party into 2 and you guarantee a permanent GOP majority.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-29 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, I'm glad we talked this out. Group hug time. I love you guys.

#113 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-29 10:08 PM | Reply

#110

Nothing but nothing as usual.

Though, from the pic you posted of yourself previously, you better resemble Dan Blocker in drag.

#114 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-29 10:25 PM | Reply

#110
Nothing but nothing as usual.
Though, from the pic you posted of yourself previously, you better resemble Dan Blocker in drag.

POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-01-29 10:25 PM | REPLY

That's all your emotional vomit is worth sweetie.

#115 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-29 10:33 PM | Reply

Bernie should be allowed to rise or fall on his own merits, which is what terrifies the DNC establishment. They don't have anyone of their own to put forward given that the old commie just surpassed gropey joe, so they're going to keep putting their thumb on the scale.

I offer every possible encouragement to the Bernie Bros. Let every wahmen you know know that the 19th amendment was a mistake. They won't fare any better or worse than the men in the gulags after all.

#116 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-01-29 10:51 PM | Reply

;p

When you haven't an argument to the points made, just say so. Or say nothing.... oh wait, that's what you did.

btw, it's your voting that's emotional rather than rational.

#117 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-29 10:52 PM | Reply

- his own merits

You mean like how he ran as a Dem than as an Independent?

Yeah, they were just "terrified" enough to let him run on their ticket.

#118 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-29 10:55 PM | Reply

;p
When you haven't an argument to the points made, just say so. Or say nothing.... oh wait, that's what you did.
btw, it's your voting that's emotional rather than rational.
POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-01-29 10:52 PM | REPLY

It's absolutely rational sweetie. Don't serve up garbage expecting people to eat it. We'll look elsewhere for our "meals"

#119 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-29 11:04 PM | Reply

none of the slanders leveled against commie sanders nor his commie supporters ring true. But it's kinda funny watching the establishment squirm and try to wipe his commie muck off them, especially because they've been encouraging these behaviors, and are guilty of all of which they accuse him.

#120 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-01-29 11:24 PM | Reply

sanders supporters must realize they're being cast aside; the only candidate who could potentially beat Blumpf is also an enemy of the DNC. what a predicament!

#121 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-01-29 11:26 PM | Reply

"Don't serve up garbage expecting people to eat it."

No matter what you vote for, or don't vote.
We're all still eating D and R, just the same.

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-29 11:31 PM | Reply

some optics advice for "bernie bros"
-attack elizabeth warren openly because a female could never win the presidency. Comrade Stalin would never have approved of such an arrangement. Make fun of her supposed ethnic heritage.
-gulags weren't all that bad. Remember this.
-liberals get lined up against the wall first. Never compromise the revolutionary spirit.
-every man and woman mobilized in the fight against fascism.
-line up your women as first-rank infantry; the opposing side will be too bewildered to know what's happening once they open fire
-anyone who even thinks of routing gets a bullet in the back
-NO REFUNDS

#123 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-01-29 11:34 PM | Reply

Split the Democratic Party into 2 and you guarantee a permanent GOP majority.
#112 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

That's not a guarantee.

If a moderate party was formed it could draw conservatives who believe the Republican Party has veered too far into the coocoo whackado realm.

You and Boaz have said you'd vote for Biden. There's probably other conservatives who would also vote for Biden over Trump.

#124 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-29 11:47 PM | Reply

Boohoo boohooo Bernie have suppoters that feel pasionate about Bernie and has a sense of humor, the elites are in panic mold so expect more BS reports like this.

by the way Bernie has more woman support then men

#125 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2020-01-30 01:12 AM | Reply

"by the way Bernie has more woman support then men"

That's pretty much always the case for any Democrat.
But, Trump isn't helping.

"In 2012, white women favored Romney by 14 points. Their turnout for the GOP candidate was weaker this year -- 10 points, according to the United States General Exit Poll." www.washingtonpost.com

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-30 01:49 AM | Reply

>bernie's internet army
is exclusively composed of toxic male identities who presume to take over this whole space. There isn't a single quadripalegic amongst them! I'm starting to feel so marginalized@ ,like, my voice isn't being given any privilege?

#127 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-01-30 03:05 AM | Reply

gO ON, Wuhan!

#128 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-01-30 03:09 AM | Reply

For example, many times I have told Laura (and other third-partiers on this forum) that she, and people like her, got Trump elected. That by voting third party they are responsible for him being President. - #24 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-01-29 09:21 AM

Anyone in a swing state that didnt vote for Hilary over Trump is absolutely the reason Trump won because AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME no other candidate had the ability to win. It was one or the other, and no amount of you or I wishing things were different will change that right now, that is the reality of our two party system. - #85 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-01-29 04:17 PM

I'm both sorry and happy to inform you both that you are incorrect. If your premise is that 'if a voter for 'candidate c' had instead voted for 'candidate a' then 'candidate b' wouldn't be president so voters for 'candidate c' are to blame', then HRC voters are just as responsible for Trump being president as voters for Johnson are. Had HRC voters chosen Johnson, Johnson would be President. Had Johnson voters chosen HRC, HRC would be president. If you honestly feel inclined to blame someone for not voting for the winner in the election, then be honest that HRC voters precisely equal Johnson voters in that regard.

#129 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-01-30 10:20 AM | Reply

#129 Imagine being so woke you can convince yourself ours isn't really a two-party system -- despite the fact that everyone who has finished first and second in a Presidential race in your lifetime belongs to one of the two parties!

#130 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-30 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Don't serve up garbage expecting people to eat it. We'll look elsewhere for our "meals"

Ah, the old "screw the primary voters, I'll just take my ball and go home if they disagree with me".... also screwing the country because your favorite lost the election, badly.

#131 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-30 01:24 PM | Reply

There are really two conclusions to be made:

1. Bernie supports this type of engagement and butthurt, seen in the comments above.
or
2. Bernie can not lead his people, who are goons and thugs.

#132 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-30 01:30 PM | Reply

#130

This.

People who have problems with a two party system and "think" they are fixing it by voting for someone who can't win, and often enabling the worst possible choice to win, aren't thinking at all.

If you want more viable parties, stop sitting on your fat ass and go out and build them. But if you are voting in a swing state where your throwaway vote could help elect a Republican, then vote for the candidate the Dem primary voters voted for... as did Bernie, Warren, and countless other voters who put their country first over their personal preferences.

#133 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-30 01:30 PM | Reply

"If you want more viable parties, stop sitting on your fat ass and go out and build them."

Which is what Obama and Trump did.
They molded their parties in their image.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-30 01:35 PM | Reply

#134

True. I was thinking of new 3rd or 4th parties and almost added "a greater number" of viable parties, but what you note is also true; they did that.

Kinda funny that after Obama built up the party, he was castigated as not liberal enough; a traitor to the left, and with Trump it's more that although he's a poor excuse for both a Pres and a human being, he's still a rwing hero, as they refuse to admit their mistake in electing him no matter what he does.

#135 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-30 01:40 PM | Reply

Ah, the old "screw the primary voters, I'll just take my ball and go home if they disagree with me".... also screwing the country because your favorite lost the election, badly.

POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-01-30 01:24 PM | REPLY

Hillary's PUMAs. Nuff said.

#136 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-30 02:39 PM | Reply

#136

'Nuffing said, as per usual.

#137 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-30 02:50 PM | Reply

Laura is really good at never saying anything. Sniper says more per comment than she does.

#138 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-01-30 07:16 PM | Reply

1. Bernie supports this type of engagement and butthurt, seen in the comments above.

Bruce, we've finally reached the source of your personal butthurt.

You're mad because your candidate doesn't know how to create engagement. I bet you think Mayor Pete is an interesting guy.

You are out of touch.

Get used to it.

#139 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-01-30 07:38 PM | Reply

Awwww poor Bruce. Crying because I refuse to waste my time on rubbish. There there Bruce. It's ok little buddy.

#140 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-30 07:45 PM | Reply

There are really two conclusions to be made:
1. Bernie supports this type of engagement and butthurt, seen in the comments above.
or
2. Bernie can not lead his people, who are goons and thugs.
#132 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Bruce, when are you going to get that sand out of your swollen gash?

No wonder you're so cranky.

Here's my prediction, Bruthey.

If Biden wins the primaries, he'll lose to Trump. Just like Kerry lost to BushJr.

Meanwhile. Sling all the mud your broken heart has to offer.

#141 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-31 12:11 AM | Reply

Awwww poor Bruce. Crying because I refuse to waste my time on rubbish. There there Bruce. It's ok little buddy.
#140 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Bruce has spent the past 4 years blaming Bernie for Hillary's loss. Letting his anger fester.

Now, in 2020, Bernie, again, is leading in the polls. All of them.

I guarantee if Bernie wins the primaries, Bruce will vote for Trump to spite Bernie.

#142 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-31 12:14 AM | Reply

"I guarantee if Bernie wins the primaries..."

LOL. you know better. The DNC hasn't learned anything, ask Corky.

#143 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-01-31 12:16 AM | Reply

Bruce has spent the past 4 years blaming Bernie for Hillary's loss. Letting his anger fester.
Now, in 2020, Bernie, again, is leading in the polls. All of them.
I guarantee if Bernie wins the primaries, Bruce will vote for Trump to spite Bernie.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-01-31 12:14 AM | REPLY

Yeppers. It's all Hillary supporters have got at this point. Oh and blaming me for all of the ills in the world.

#144 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-01-31 12:21 AM | Reply

Also. It's very Bruce to post a hit piece on Bernie and dig up 2016.

After all. He's been stuck there for the past 4 years.

#145 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-01-31 12:23 AM | Reply

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