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Tuesday, January 28, 2020

Sheriff's deputies in Lake County, Fla., on Monday arrested a notorious tormentor of the parents of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims, charging him with the unlawful possession of personal identification.

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Mastermind of Sandy Hook denial arrested
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...For years, a relentless Sandy Hook denial campaign waged by a retired Florida man against the grieving parents of slain children largely escaped the headlines.

But that changed on Monday when 73-year-old Wolfgang Halbig - a conspiracy extremist who some have called the mastermind of Sandy Hook denial - was arrested on a felony charge of possessing another person's personal information.

Lenny Pozner, whose son was among the 20 first-graders and six educators murdered at Sandy Hook School in 2012, filed the complaint against Halbig, who was accused of emailing Pozner's personal information to law enforcement and the media....

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-01-28 11:05 AM | Reply

How anyone can be that evil is beyond my ability to understand. He must have experienced some horrible abuse as a child to become such a monster.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2020-01-28 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Waah waah waah. Maybe he's just A total ----------- needs a hug?

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-01-28 12:45 PM | Reply

No Wolfie needs a good --- kicking!

#4 | Posted by zelkova at 2020-01-28 01:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Add spray tan, a combover and $400 million of daddies money and this guy could be POTUS.

#5 | Posted by bored at 2020-01-28 01:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Florida man, you say?

A combination of douchebaggery and disconnection from reality. Like Danni, I'll never understand why some people seem so eager to devote their lives to the harassment of others.

#6 | Posted by cbob at 2020-01-28 02:00 PM | Reply

Oh look no one screaming crying about how this guy has free speech.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2020-01-28 02:04 PM | Reply

Oh look no one screaming crying about how this guy has free speech.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2020-01-28 02:04 PM | Reply

Harassment is not free speech, it's a crime.

#9 | Posted by zelkova at 2020-01-28 02:28 PM | Reply

The guy is a Republican. This is your party, -------. Own it.

www.fec.gov

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-28 02:45 PM | Reply

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Looks like your typical feral Trumper. Hopefully he dies in prison.
Such a low IQ troglodyte he believes Hicks-Jones fantasyland conspiracy theories.

#11 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-28 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10 | POSTED BY JOE

Great. Now do Hodgkinson.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-28 03:24 PM | Reply

Oh look no one screaming crying about how this guy has free speech.

#8 | POSTED BY TOR

From the thread summary:

charging him with the unlawful possession of personal identification.

This doesn't appear to have anything to do with the freedom of speech or suppression of it.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-01-28 03:26 PM | Reply

#12 We already did, three years ago.

#14 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-28 03:31 PM | Reply

That looks like nick nolte.

This is another odd conspiracy theory. I'm shocked tonyAroma isn't in to this one.
In fact it's probably the only one that -------- doesn't believe in. He's a long winded buffalobob.

#15 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2020-01-28 04:19 PM | Reply

@#13 ... From the thread summary:

charging him with the unlawful possession of personal identification. ...

It's more heinous than that quick summary shows...

From the cited article:

...Wolfgang Halbig, a former contributor to Infowars, the online and radio show hosted by the far-right provocateur Alex Jones, has spread false claims for years that the Dec. 14, 2012, shooting of 20 first graders and six educators in Newtown, Conn., was an elaborate government hoax aimed at confiscating Americans' firearms. When challenged or confronted by Sandy Hook families, Mr. Halbig has released their personal information, taunted them or emailed them photographs of what he claimed were their dead children "all grown up."...

Mr. Halbig, 73, a former Florida public school security administrator, has sent hundreds of public records requests to Newtown and Connecticut officials, demanding documents that include photographs of the murder scene, the children's bodies and receipts for the cleanup of "bodily fluids, brain matter, skull fragments and around 45 to 60 gallons of blood."

Soon after the massacre, Mr. Halbig appeared multiple times on Infowars, which aired his false claims to millions of people and gave him a platform for raising tens of thousands of dollars to fund his obsession.

Infowars provided Mr. Halbig with a camera crew on his visits to Newtown, at one point filming schoolchildren near St. Rose of Lima, a Catholic church where funerals for several of the murdered children took place....


#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-01-28 04:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wish this crime was charged more often. Illegal possession of personal identification? I can immediately think of people with this.

#17 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-01-28 05:05 PM | Reply

charging him with the unlawful possession of personal identification.

How is that different from any other Corporation on the Internet?...

It's one of those bogus charges that is never held up in court in the hope the defendant gives up and surrenders... still it would make a great case in front of jury.

Just what makes "unlawful possession of personal identification"? An Eula agreement? Does it apply to reporters or websites or stores or the many segments of the government...?

So....Who "owns" your data?

A whole lot of corporations would rather not find out ..

#18 | Posted by Pegasus at 2020-01-28 05:26 PM | Reply

"demanding documents that include photographs of the murder scene"

^
These pictures should have been published on the front page of every newspaper in the country.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-28 05:33 PM | Reply

How is that different from any other Corporation on the Internet?...

Well for one, most of them don't have your SSN, Passport #, Credit Card #, medical records, or other PII explicitly contemplated by this criminal statute.

And for another, they most assuredly do not have those things "without authorization," as spelled out in the criminal statute.

But i'm sure this moronic infowars Trumper is glad to have some whatabouters defending him online.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-28 05:35 PM | Reply

"So....Who "owns" your data?"

Lots of people, from 7-Eleven to 23 and Me.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-28 05:39 PM | Reply

Well for one, most of them don't have your SSN, Passport #, Credit Card #, medical records, or other PII explicitly contemplated by this criminal statute.

Of course they do. Most of this information is available to anyone with a subscription to any of the major credit agencies. if it's been typed into a computer somewhere, they probably already have it....

Now if Halbig got it legally from them... how could he be charged with the unlawful possession of personal identification. ...

if he got legally from Transunion or Equifax ?

oooooh and if you think your medical records are safe... think again...

Google has been venturing into new areas of business and recently made huge news when it got access to the health records of millions of Americans through a partnership with the Ascension hospital network.

Both companies insist their goal is "to provide better care to patients," but the program, code-named Nightingale, is already creating major privacy concerns. Just 48 hours after it was announced, federal regulators from the Department of Health and Human Services announced an investigation into whether the partnership violates HIPPA, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.

Nice case for the American Civil Liberties Union... but as I said, a number of folks would rather keep this case quiet because they want to own and sell your data...

#22 | Posted by Pegasus at 2020-01-28 07:41 PM | Reply

Notice how Pegasus is sure the guy who torments the parents of murdered children couldn't have done anything wrong.

Birds of a feather flock together.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-01-28 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So.... this is they guy Mackris was supporting with all his crisis actor posts here?

Great taste in men you have there, mAndrea.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2020-01-28 08:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Notice how Pegasus is sure the guy who torments the parents of murdered children couldn't have done anything wrong.

ummmm nice try but no cigar...

First... not taking anyone's side. Looks like this guy is just a pest and there are many other laws they could charge him with... like stocking... verbal assault.. disturbing the peace... trespassing and sooo on... and they would be on solid ground.... But instead they went with unlawful possession of personal identification and that is quite a stretch.

Second... Here in America, you can be arrested for anything and they can put you in jail for 24 or 48 hours depending on the state and if they can't get any evidence, they MUST let you go...or charge you with a crime...

It's a weak case... which opens the door for the lawyer for this guy to file a lawsuit and sue the police for "official oppression".

A person is guilty of official oppression if, being a public servant and acting with the intention to benefit himself or another or to harm another, he knowingly commits an unauthorized act which purports to be an act of his office, or knowingly refrains from performing a duty imposed on him by law or clearly inherent in the nature of his office. [ 1975, c. 499, 1 Westlaw .]

Official oppression is a Class E crime.

I can also see that this case has an strong unconstitutional angle via the first amendment as well.

Mr. Pozner has tried since 2014 to stop Mr. Halbig from targeting Sandy Hook families and other victims of tragedy. In response, Mr. Halbig posted online a 100-page TransUnion background report on Mr. Pozner, which included his address and delicate personal information. Mr. Pozner lives in hiding.

Again... this is all perfectly legal... the credit unions actually do this all the time... There might be a crime if he stole this information from someone else... but if he is a legal paying subscriber to TransUnion... then it's all legal.

Notice... it said 100 pages... there is much more info than just a credit score being passed around here... but again all legal... Now, if it was revenge porn....

Birds of a feather flock together.

I'm a flying horse, you idiot... my droppings are much more substantial...

#25 | Posted by Pegasus at 2020-01-29 12:10 AM | Reply

ahh meant... stalking

this is what they shoulda charge him... but didn't cause it's such a weak case and they have little if any evidence... with the right law firm, this pest might have just won the Florida Lottery...

States vary in how they define criminal harassment. Generally, criminal harassment entails intentionally targeting someone else with behavior that is meant to alarm, annoy, torment or terrorize them. ... Harassment charges can range from misdemeanor to high level felony charges.

Last thing Credit Unions want to see is a jury trial. 100 pages...
If I was this guys lawyer, I request a credit report of every member of the jury and entering it into evidence... under state of mind of the defendant.

#26 | Posted by Pegasus at 2020-01-29 12:20 AM | Reply

The Sandy Hook parents must be saints. I would be hoping that at least one of the jurors at my trial believed in nullification.

When challenged or confronted by Sandy Hook families, Mr. Halbig has released their personal information, taunted them or emailed them photographs of what he claimed were their dead children "all grown up."...

#27 | Posted by bored at 2020-01-29 01:24 AM | Reply

Most of this information is available to anyone with a subscription to any of the major credit agencies. if it's been typed into a computer somewhere, they probably already have it....

Now if Halbig got it legally from them..

He would need to have very specific grounds to "legally" get it from them, which he most certainly did not have in this case. So once again, you're inventing a fictional scenario to defend this POS.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-29 07:05 AM | Reply

If I was this guys lawyer, I request a credit report of every member of the jury and entering it into evidence... under state of mind of the defendant.

And the judge would laugh at you before denying your request, and would sanction you if you made any further efforts to uncover that information.

You have no clue what you're talking about.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-29 07:07 AM | Reply

When challenged or confronted by Sandy Hook families, Mr. Halbig has released their personal information, taunted them or emailed them photographs of what he claimed were their dead children "all grown up."...

While distasteful... it's perfectly legal...

Coulda been charged for harassment or cyberbullying.... but NOOOOOOOOOO....

What's more, this guy has reported on the Jones Show which makes him a "real" journalist so journalistic shield laws apply... which is sure to attract the ACLU....

Could be a big payday for him... might be able to take a private jet on his next trip to Sandy Hook....

#30 | Posted by Pegasus at 2020-01-29 07:39 AM | Reply

The history of the ACLU is one of struggle, combat, of marginalized people and unpopular causes, of troublemakers and conscientious objectors, a history of battle and strife. But it is also the history of the very best our country has to offer to its citizens and, by way of example, to the rest of the world: the strong, golden strand of the Bill of Rights and the ideals it embodies, often frayed, occasionally snarled, stretched at times to the breaking point, but shining and unbroken down all the years since 1789.

The ACLU holds the government, the courts, and the nation to their avowed and highest standard, insisting on the recognition of the protections the Constitution affords to every American, no matter how marginalized, no matter how unpopular the cause, even if the people it protects sometimes despise the freedom it represents.

ummmm might even be a book and movie deal for Mr. Halbig... I'd pay to see a movie that tells the story from a conspiracy point of view...

#31 | Posted by Pegasus at 2020-01-29 07:59 AM | Reply

Are we certain that Pegasus isn't Wolfgang Halbig?

#32 | Posted by JOE at 2020-01-29 09:46 AM | Reply

I know it's illeagal to waterboard terrorists.

Can we waterboard domestic criminals?

#33 | Posted by contrecoup at 2020-01-29 12:17 PM | Reply

The loser in the picture looks like I imagine Fat Andy Mattress looks like except FAM is about 25 years younger.

#34 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-01-29 04:35 PM | Reply

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