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Wednesday, February 12, 2020

Lawmakers in the Virginia House narrowly passed a bill banning assault-style weapons as Democrats continued using their newfound political clout to push ahead on a slate of gun-control bills.

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GOOD A great start.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-11 06:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Terrific. Hopefully this trend will spread to other States.

#2 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-11 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Moderate Democrats in the Senate are expected to vote against it.

Redefining what is an assault weapon.

#3 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-02-11 06:49 PM | Reply

Betting time. If it gets passed, white people don't comply, and more black people get locked up. Takers?

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-11 07:43 PM | Reply

How dare these elected Democrats force their ideology down the state of Virginia's throat!

-boaz

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-11 07:46 PM | Reply

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg

As with all such "bans," the bill addresses sales, imports etc., possession of existing weapons will continue to be lawful.

#6 | Posted by et_al at 2020-02-11 07:56 PM | Reply

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg

As with all such "bans," the bill addresses sales, imports etc., possession of existing weapons will continue to be lawful.

#7 | Posted by et_al at 2020-02-11 07:56 PM | Reply

Simply fulfilling campaign promises.

#8 | Posted by qcp at 2020-02-11 07:57 PM | Reply

"and more black people get locked up. Takers?"

Brown people.

B. It shall be is unlawful for any person who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully present in the United States to knowingly and intentionally possess or transport any firearm or to knowingly and intentionally carry about his person, hidden from common observation, any firearm. A violation of this section shall be is punishable as a Class 6 felony.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-11 08:09 PM | Reply

Why not send in the black helicopters and TAKE THE GUNZ?

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-11 08:48 PM | Reply

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I hope the Anti-American RussiaPublicans get their "guns grabbed".

#11 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-02-12 07:28 AM | Reply

Assault Weapons aren't really the issue.

It's that any idiot can get a handgun. A handgun can be concealed. That's the issue I'm worried.

We need required training before owning or possessing a gun, registration, and required insurance on the gun. We need laws requiring people to know where their guns are and be responsible for safe keeping. Criminal and Civil penalties for having a gun stolen and not reporting it.

#12 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:02 PM | Reply

Hey gun-lickers: (1) learn to read; (2) read Federalist #29 and Federalist #46. This whole 'well-regulated militia' thingy will be explained to you by the guys who came up with it. And you will see how your boy Antonin Scalia got it wrong...

#13 | Posted by catdog at 2020-02-12 01:12 PM | Reply

yawn. another tiny step toward sane 2nd amendment protections.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-12 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Cigarette taxes are a popular way for governments to raise revenue and attempt to thwart the purported sin of smoking. The excise or "sin" taxes imposed on packs of cigarettes by different states create tax " and thus price " differentials between jurisdictions.

People looking to save or even make a buck sometimes exploit those differentials by shopping across a state border or by organizing large, illegal shipments of cigarettes from low-tax areas to higher taxed ones. This tax evasion and avoidance " what we lump together under the term "smuggling" " is rampant in many states. Lawmakers should consider this fact when looking to impose higher excise taxes on cigarettes, for there are often very negative and unintended consequences for doing so.

Virginia looses tens of million in taxes every year due to cigarette smuggling...

Banning Assault rifles means the smugglers have something else to smuggle. Police will have a hard time as the smuggled weapons will have no serial numbers or brand marks of any kind as they will built by amateur gun smiths. Leaving DNA as the only hope of solving the case... unless the gunman has a bottle of Clorox that he can pour over the rifle... (it negates any known DNA test.)

In short, as many New Yorkers are leaving that state due to high taxes, many Virginians will be leaving due to Virginia's high crime.

#15 | Posted by Pegasus at 2020-02-12 02:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Possession, registration, training, and insurance.

If the govt puts a financial burden on me, they are taking away my right. These costs are unconstitutional. These politicians just want to take away my rights by making it too expensive to exercise my right.

#16 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-02-12 04:01 PM | Reply

This will work so well, just like the war on drugs! A new class of felons to line the pockets of Oligarchs! People lining up to give up their rights! Step on up!

#17 | Posted by DMTDust at 2020-02-12 08:30 PM | Reply

#13 | Posted by catdog

Neither of those Federalist papers address the long standing issue resolved by Scalia's majority opinion in Heller. The Court juxtaposed the issue thusly,

The two sides in this case have set out very different interpretations of the Amendment. Petitioners and today's dissenting Justices believe that it protects only the right to possess and carry a firearm in connection with militia service. Respondent argues that it protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. (citations omitted)
The Court held that the Amendment protects an individual right unconnected to militia service. Neither of the papers you cite have anything to say about whether Scalia was right or wrong.

#18 | Posted by et_al at 2020-02-12 09:26 PM | Reply

These costs are unconstitutional.
#16 | POSTED BY PETROUS

In constitutional terms the costs likely violate the "equal protection" clause because they restrict the poor from exercising their rights.

#19 | Posted by et_al at 2020-02-12 09:32 PM | Reply

Elections have consequences.

#20 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-02-13 01:32 AM | Reply

#20 | Posted by chuffy, And the Democrats in Virginia are facing another election in November. Do you think they are going to do well? Any legislature can pass a law. Any subsequent legislature can repeal that law.

#21 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-13 10:30 AM | Reply

I guess we will see the GOP quit making mandatory laws to have two forms of identifications in order to vote? As that is an undue finical burden on people? Naw, they only keep on keep on..."Do as I say not as I do" when it comes to the constitution and the 2nd admendment. Such ugly hypocrites.

#22 | Posted by tknees at 2020-02-13 10:31 AM | Reply

These costs are unconstitutional.
#16 | POSTED BY PETROUS

In constitutional terms the costs likely violate the "equal protection" clause because they restrict the poor from exercising their rights.

#19 | POSTED BY ET_AL

Like the costs states can impose on women that restrict them from having access to a legal abortion??

Yeah. Sucks don't it?

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-13 10:32 AM | Reply

Any legislature can pass a law. Any subsequent legislature can repeal that law.

#21 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Some legislators are better than others.

Take this Congress for example. They (The Senate) have about 400 Laws sitting on their desk that they can't pass.

Welcome to America Comrade.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-13 10:35 AM | Reply

#24 | Posted by donnerboy considering the leadership og the House, how many of those 400 are worth serious consideration?

#25 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-13 11:44 AM | Reply

how many of those 400 are worth serious consideration?

#25 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

All 400 should be considered by the Senate and voted up or down I'd course.

The Senate, the world's greatest deliberative body, that no longer deliberates.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-13 12:01 PM | Reply

#15 What high crime? I live in VA. we have no especially high crime here. Your talking out of your &$$.

#27 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-13 12:08 PM | Reply

#15 What high crime? I live in VA. we have no especially high crime here.
#27 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Future crime, as the guns are taken out of circulation.

#28 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2020-02-13 01:07 PM | Reply

Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords.
Benjamin Franklin

#29 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2020-02-13 01:26 PM | Reply

Guns are for -------.

#30 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-13 01:33 PM | Reply

Guns are for -------.
#30 | POSTED BY MODER8

So you're a gun owner then?

#31 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2020-02-13 01:48 PM | Reply

Nope. Never. As I said, guns are for -------. You probably have a small arsenal.

#32 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-13 02:03 PM | Reply

As I said, guns are for -------. You probably have a small arsenal.

#32 | Posted by moder8

Probably wears "ethically harvested gold and sustainable diamonds" like Jane Fonda.

#33 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-13 02:08 PM | Reply

Nope. I don't own anything made of gold. Or anything with diamonds. Waste of money and purely used for vanity. I do have a Swiss Army Watch. And my Dad's old silver cufflinks.

#34 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-13 02:16 PM | Reply

Nope.
#32 | POSTED BY MODER8

So you're a different kind of -----?

#35 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2020-02-13 02:31 PM | Reply

Take away THEM ALL. Repeal the second amendment. Guns ARE for p**$$7$. More people have died because of those 2 sentences on a piece of paper than the founders ever would have intended. The whole notion is OBSOLETE.

#36 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-13 03:28 PM | Reply

"Take away THEM ALL. Repeal the second amendment. Guns ARE for p**$$7$. More people have died because of those 2 sentences on a piece of paper than the founders ever would have intended. The whole notion is OBSOLETE."

Good news, Champ. There is a mechanism by which you can do just this. I applaud your enthusiasm. Giddyap!

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-13 03:38 PM | Reply

No speaking about of turn! Back to work!! Don't make Massa have to whip you again!

#38 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-13 03:59 PM | Reply

Assault Weapons aren't really the issue.
It's that any idiot can get a handgun. A handgun can be concealed. That's the issue I'm worried.

You need to read the bill and see what qualifies as an assault weapon in VA, and read the rest of the bill as well.

Assault weapons include...

Any centerfire semiauto rifle with a detachable magazine and and any of these: pistol grip, "second handgrip", threaded barrel,

Any centerfire semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine with capacity in excess of 12 rounds.

Any centerfire semiauto pistol with a threaded barrel.

Any semiauto shotgun with a pistol grip or that has a magazine that carries more than 7 rounds.

It is now illegal to sell or possess...

Any magazine for any weapon that holds more than 12 rounds. You must turn them in within a year. You keep your handgun...just not the magazine. Time to buy that 1911.

Any form of silencer.

#39 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-13 04:15 PM | Reply

Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords.
Benjamin Franklin

#29 | POSTED BY 6THPERSONA

Oh wow. Did the law say we have to give up all guns? Did it take guns from the military? The National Guard? Law Enforcement?

No?

...oh...then WTF are you talking about?

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-13 04:24 PM | Reply

#39 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

I was speaking generally about assault rifles. They really aren't the issue we should be focusing on. They are a tiny part of firearm homicides in this country.

#41 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-13 04:26 PM | Reply

#41 ..and I completely agree. I just think VA is doing it the ----------- way, and in doing so, they made my little turkey hunting shotgun an assault weapon.

#42 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-13 04:42 PM | Reply

..oh...then WTF are you talking about?
#40 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

"The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed, which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation where the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
President James Madison

#43 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2020-02-13 04:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I could care less what the government says.
It's abundantly clear there are many people who should not be trusted with arms.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-13 04:58 PM | Reply

More people have died because of those 2 sentences on a piece of paper than the founders ever would have intended. The whole notion is OBSOLETE.

It's one sentence. Rightwingers just refuse to read the first half of it.

#45 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-13 05:05 PM | Reply

"where the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

That sure is some highfaultin' talk, from a government that could never trust their own people in ------- with arms!

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-13 05:08 PM | Reply

well, now just Criminals will have Assault Weapons in VA

nice going Dems!

#47 | Posted by Maverick at 2020-02-13 05:43 PM | Reply

Did the law say we have to give up all guns?
#40 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

This one doesn't, but they'll find something wrong with the ones they didn't ban this time.

#48 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2020-02-13 05:57 PM | Reply

#47 I'm getting tired of hearing that old strawman.Should there be no laws against murder because they keep happening? Maybe we should have no laws at all because some people are outlaws? I never hear that argument about anything but this issue,but I sure hear it a lot about this.

#49 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-13 05:58 PM | Reply

#49 | Posted by Effeteposer

It's not a strawman. Law abiding people use guns to defend themselves against criminal with guns. Self defense is the most common reason for people owning guns.

#50 | Posted by et_al at 2020-02-13 07:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#49 | Posted by Effeteposer

It's not a strawman. Law abiding people use guns to defend themselves against criminal with guns. Self defense is the most common reason for people owning guns.

#51 | Posted by et_al at 2020-02-13 07:11 PM | Reply

"It's not a strawman. Law abiding people use guns to defend themselves against criminal with guns."

^
You're right, that's not a Straw Man.
That is a Tautology, and a Self Fulfilling Prophecy.

"If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there." -- Chekhov

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-13 08:03 PM | Reply

"Self defense is the most common reason for people owning guns."

Suicide is the most common deadly use of guns.
Murder is next.
Then Accident.

Self-Defense doesn't even crack the top three.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-13 08:05 PM | Reply

What non law abiding group of people commit most violent gun crimes in america? What does this bill do to address that?

#54 | Posted by mutant at 2020-02-13 10:17 PM | Reply

There's going to be alot of assualt rifles lost in the bottom of virginian lakes and rivers soon. Delusion is believing these will be willingly turned in.

#55 | Posted by mutant at 2020-02-13 10:19 PM | Reply

#27

Petersburg has been dubbed the "most dangerous city" in Virginia. That's according to the financial news and opinion site 24/7 Wall St., which dug into FBI data from 2017 to determine violent crime rates in nearly 2,000 cities and towns.May 4, 2019

www.vsp.virginia.gov

Look at page 46 --- roadway/highway/alley and Home/Residence...

Criminals and crime will enter the state once they figure out the citizens are unarmed... They can feel free to kill and slaughter as they please and then get away by driving over the state border...

#56 | Posted by Pegasus at 2020-02-14 01:29 AM | Reply

"What non law abiding group of people commit most violent gun crimes in america?"

The police?

;)

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-14 01:30 AM | Reply

#55 | POSTED BY MUTANT

Why? Those currently owned remain legal. The bill does not require surrender or confiscation of any weapon.

#58 | Posted by et_al at 2020-02-14 02:05 AM | Reply

Haven't the progressive elements of our society learned that prohibition doesn't work? It just increases interest and desirability. I am sure that hundreds of rifles that would have generally remained on the shelf are now in some idiot's home. I have a Mini 14. It uses the same ammo as the scary AR15, is semi-auto, has almost the same ballistics, range and is as lethal. But it has a wooden stock and looks like a hunting rifle. Large capacity magazines are easily obtained. They require no ID or record check. If illegal in California, you can pick up a few in Nevada when you visit Las Vegas. Gun control only effects the law abiding.
Now for a reality check, criminals and crazies generally use pistols to commit their atrocities, more than 90% of the time. Long guns are difficult to hide. Walking around with a firearm in plane sight tends to attract attention. Not generally a priority for an individual intent on committing mass murder or an armed robbery.
The legislature in VA can pass any law they want to, I doubt they have the resources to enforce it. The LEOs that matter, the ones that determine who and what can operate within their county don't support these laws. The state police do not have jurisdiction without their consent. Sheriffs are elected.
I doubt these laws stand a month after the new legislature convenes next January, this will sink the Dems next election.

#59 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-14 02:22 AM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Hysteria run amok.

This bill does nothing except ban future buy/sell transactions. Common with all such legislation.

Useless.

#60 | Posted by et_al at 2020-02-14 03:48 AM | Reply

#60 Not true. Magazines over 12 rounds must be turned in by 1/1/21. How good is your Glock without a mag? Standard mag is 15 rounds. In fact, I don't think they make a Glock mag under 13. VA knows this. They figure everyone will focus on the firearm and miss the tidbit about mags.

#61 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-14 09:10 AM | Reply

My bad...it's 10 rounds.

18.2-308.9. Import, sale, possession, etc., of certain firearms magazines; penalty.

A. For purposes of this section, "large-capacity firearm magazine" means any firearm magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has the capacity of, or can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition, including any such device with a removable floor plate or end plate if the device can be readily extended to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition. "Large-capacity firearm magazine" does not include (i) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition or (ii) an attached tubular device designed to accept and only capable of operating with .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

#62 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-14 09:19 AM | Reply

..and remember the grandfather clause you referred to? Again, doesn't apply to mags...

Any person who legally owns an assault firearm, as defined in 18.2-308.8, large-capacity firearm magazine, as defined in 18.2-308.9, silencer, as defined in 18.2-308.10, or trigger activator, as defined in 18.2-308.11, on July 1, 2020, may retain possession of such assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator until January 1, 2021. During this time period, such person shall (i) render the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator permanently inoperable; (ii) remove the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator from the Commonwealth; (iii) transfer the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator to a person outside the Commonwealth who is not prohibited from possessing the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator; or (iv) surrender the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator to a state or local law-enforcement agency. A person who legally owns an assault firearm on July 1, 2020, may retain possession of such assault firearm after January 1, 2021, if such person has obtained a permit to possess an assault firearm from the Department of State Police in accordance with subsection 18.2-308.13. The provisions of 15.2- 915.5 shall not apply to any assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger device surrendered to a local law-enforcement agency pursuant to this section.

#63 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-14 09:21 AM | Reply

#63 | Posted by MUSTANG What I think is significant is these laws do not go into effect a few days before the newly elected legislature is sworn in. I doubt these laws will ever be enforced. If the legislative majority changes, and that is increasingly a possibility to more than even odds, you can bet these laws' repeal will be the first bill introduced.
What I see are two sides that are irreconcilable. One side sincerely believes that guns are killing machines that cause crime. Yes, guns are weapons and weapons kill. No, guns do not cause crimes. Criminals will obtain a weapon of some sort, and a hammer will kill you as quick as a bullet. Not many guns in London, but they have now an epidemic of knife attacks. My argument is the more armed a municipality is, the lower the crime rate. The most armed city in the US is Richardson, or perhaps North Park Texas and they have an exceptionally low crime rate. The areas with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest homicide rates.

#64 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-14 02:05 PM | Reply

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