Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, February 11, 2020

After chaos and frustration dominated the news cycle surrounding the Iowa caucuses, New Hampshire has blessed the electoral schedule with a simple and restorative primary: The candidate who wins the most votes takes the Granite State's delegates.

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Yang is a class act. The other's should take note.

#1 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-02-11 08:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Yang drops out. Warren fading fast. Klobo makes a bid for the DNC Stop Bernie leader.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-11 08:26 PM | Reply

Sanders better give his victory speech early, before Platitude Pete claims it.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-11 08:29 PM | Reply

O'bammy is all out supporting Bloomberg. Joe can take a hike and Bernie will fall to the machine. It's a done deal. Can't say i'm surprised since Obama came out months ago and said gropin' Joe wasn't the man.

#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 08:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie Sanders 26,524 27.50%
Pete Buttigieg 21,776 22.57%
Amy Klobuchar 18,983 19.68%
Elizabeth Warren 9,750 10.11%
Joe Biden 8,112 8.41%

31 percent counted.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-11 08:31 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

what I just saw put Bernie closer to 28%

#6 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 08:33 PM | Reply

Hurry, someone use his religion against him.....

~DNC staffers

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 08:34 PM | Reply

Tomorrow, I am going out and patenting a dual use hair comb / salad fork. The chubby midget Klobo is making a serious run!

#8 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-11 08:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Time to stick a fork in Biden.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-11 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yang just quit.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-11 08:40 PM | Reply

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Ok Bloomber!

#11 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 08:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Klobo making a run at word-salad Pete for 2nd. Less than a point behind.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-11 08:44 PM | Reply

Bernie gonna be the man to beat.

Biden should have used more malarkey like the Trumpy do.

And Trumpy better get Ukraine on the stick to find some ---- on Bernie. Pronto!

Looks like it worked on Biden so why not? Maybe Putin can help. Again.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-11 08:47 PM | Reply

I love threads like this - It's like history in the (un) making, like in 2015... When Bernie Sanders was placed in a carseat in the backseat of a vehicle operated by a bunch of morons that thought they could manipulate half of America. Dj Vu

#14 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 08:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie 2020,our next president and a complete repudiation of Trumpism!!! Well done NH.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-11 08:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#15 I save very few posts. Congrats! I'm saving yours for November.

#16 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-02-11 08:54 PM | Reply

Michael Bennett dropped out too.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-02-11 09:08 PM | Reply

Michael Bennett dropped out too.

#17 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Michael who?

#18 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 09:11 PM | Reply

#17 Who?

#19 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-02-11 09:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 Bernie is winning.... Why the conspiracy theories?

#20 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-11 09:13 PM | Reply

Why the conspiracy theories?

#20 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-02-11 09:13 PM | FLAG:

because some of us have our collective cps on and remember going down this road before.

#21 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 09:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#14 Bernie is winning.... Why the conspiracy theories?
#20 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER"

First, Bernie WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE THE NOMINEE - that is just a simple fact. How that will be accomplished is the only question.

Second, the point above is a fact because the DNC KNOWS WITH 100% CERTAINTY that Trump will beat Bernie like a drum in the general with the Dems losing control of the House by a large margin and no chance at the Senate. This would be a titanic shift as Trump will also pick up RBG's USSC seat in the next 2 years - cementing the court for the next 20+ years. Thus, the Dem's best hope right now is to try to salvage the House races so they can continue the obstruction and investigations that they have done since taking control. That is THEIR BEST HOPE. Beating Trump is out of the question - their only choice is if they try to maintain the House or if they allow the AOC wing of the party to have their candidate (Bernie) get beat like a drum to show them to be fools and strip their power.

#22 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-11 09:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

First, Bernie WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE THE NOMINEE

#22 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

As if you give 2 schist

#23 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 09:24 PM | Reply

Wait.

I thought there was a grand conspiracy against Sanders!?!?

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-11 09:31 PM | Reply

"As if you give 2 schist
#23 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS "

Look - I win either way. If the Dem elite stop Bernie for the nomination, the Dems split their party and Trump wins in a landslide. If the Dem elites step aside, Bernie will get killed in the general by Trump in a landslide. As such, I am the least bias person looking at this.

#25 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-11 09:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#24 Yet another saved post.

#26 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-02-11 09:33 PM | Reply

#21 I don't understand how the great conspiracy works to organize millions of primary voters to not vote for their favorite candidate. Like Tom Perez calls them each and makes them an offer they can't refuse? Can you explain?

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-11 09:36 PM | Reply

An amazing defeat for both the Dem establishment and the Trumptards.

#28 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2020-02-11 09:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From 538:

Sarah Frostenson 9:34 PM
I've seen a lot going around on Twitter that if you add up Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Biden's vote shares and compare it to the sum of the more liberal candidates' vote shares, you see that the moderate candidates actually enjoy more support in New Hampshire. The problem is, of course, that the moderates are splitting up their votes right now, and Sanders is benefitting as a result. Do people really think the math is that simple though? If one moderate candidate emerges, do you think that candidate can easily take on Sanders? Or is that too simplistic?

fivethirtyeight.com

Well, what thinks everyone?

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 09:42 PM | Reply

#21 I don't understand how the great conspiracy works to organize millions of primary voters to not vote for their favorite candidate. Like Tom Perez calls them each and makes them an offer they can't refuse? Can you explain?

Exactly. What do the Dem elites have to do with how the voters in NH, many of whom are registered Independents, are actually voting?

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 09:45 PM | Reply

"If one moderate candidate emerges, do you think that candidate can easily take on Sanders? Or is that too simplistic?
#29 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

They absolutely can - the problem is that those Bernie voters will feel cheated (rightly or wrongly) and will not vote for the moderate Dem in the general. It really is that simple.

#31 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-11 09:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ira, how the hell do you,KNOW trump.will beat bernie.? Are you the amazing Kreskin or something? I swear man, you are the most full of schitt person here and that's really saying something! JEEZ.

#32 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-11 09:52 PM | Reply

"Exactly. What do the Dem elites have to do with how the voters in NH, many of whom are registered Independents, are actually voting?
#30 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

Well, the conspiracy goes like this:
1.) Bernie's opponents are given debate questions ahead of time so they can prepare answers (THIS HAPPENED)
2.) DNC Debate moderators call Bernie a liar (like with the Warren question - THIS HAPPENED)
3.) DNC/operatives purposefully remove polling data the day before Iowa and then botch the entire count so that Bernie is unable to claim victory and build momentum

Now, I can see how one would brush off some of those as mere incompetence or coincidence - but to pretend that you can't fathom how Bernie supporters would feel that way is just ridiculous and dishonest.

#33 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-11 09:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Good speech by Klobuchar right now. Two of my close friends are going to be happy she is doing well. One friend has always been an Amy supporter, the other turned to her after Harris dropped out.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 09:54 PM | Reply

"Ira, how the hell do you,KNOW trump.will beat bernie.? Are you the amazing Kreskin or something?
#32 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER"

Not Kreskin - just use logic which is why everything I have predicted has come to pass. Bernie CANNOT beat Trump. 100% of the GOP knows this and more than 50% of the Democrat party knows it too - which is why we are even having this discussion. Bernie has support from 50% of the DNC which is 33% of the voting public. Might play in the Dem primaries - but he can't even consolidate your party much less pick up independents or Trump supporters. While a gay white dude might be the most toxic person to black voters, and old Jew screaming about taxing everyone more is probably a close 2nd....maybe you should try to find a female Korean convenience store owner to run as VP so you can ensure zero black votes.

#35 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-11 09:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

LOL

The DNC will eliminate Bernie at any cost...Gal already knows this.

#36 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-02-11 10:00 PM | Reply

Bernie needs to get some new spokespeople. Nina Turner is going to turn off a lot of people who Bernie wants to have vote for him. She's way too abrasive for moderate Democrats let alone a general election audience. My 2 cents.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 10:07 PM | Reply

Klobuchar benefitting from a strong debate performance last Friday..

Clock is ticking on Warren

#38 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-02-11 10:08 PM | Reply

#38 Also from 538:

Perry Bacon Jr.9:57 PM
Warren's campaign put out a very aggressive memo this afternoon, basically suggesting that after Super Tuesday, only Biden, Sanders and Warren will be viable candidates. So her staff knew she wasn't doing well in New Hampshire and was rebutting that. But I'm unsure if they expected to get around 10 percent of the vote and finish 10 points behind Klobuchar. In a post earlier tonight, I wondered if Warren would leave the race if she finished behind Klobuchar. Her staff's memo argues that Klobuchar and Bloomberg in particular don't have the on-the-ground staffing to compete on Super Tuesday. Maybe that is bluster, maybe that is somewhat true. I don't know. Maybe New Hampshire is a quirky state. But for me, Warren's performance stands out not quite as much as Biden in Iowa, but in that range.

fivethirtyeight.com

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 10:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of those who were on stage in the NH debate, I believe that Sen. Klobuchar has the least amount of attack vectors to be aimed at during a general election. Experienced, smart, seems moderate, and would be a GlAsS cEiLiNg BrEaK3r.

The other candidates, name any of them, and there is plenty of material to run negatives about.

#40 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-02-11 10:13 PM | Reply

#39, good link. It just hit me that Super Tuesday is a little over two weeks away. I had a feeling it was in April O_O

#41 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-02-11 10:16 PM | Reply

Klobuchar is doing way better than I expected.

#42 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-11 10:17 PM | Reply

"Clock is ticking on Warren"

Seems to be. Like Bernie from VT, Liz from MA should have had more of a neighboring-state advantage.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 10:17 PM | Reply

"#39 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

Warren should have had some regional appeal - she doesn't even have that. Joe imploded, Warren imploded, Harris and Beto were the first ones tagged as the next big thing to implode. Dems don't have a viable candidate because you literally have NOTHING to unite your party behind in a positive fashion - all you have is 'Orange Man Bad' - which does't play when half of the Bernie supporters think a moderate Dem is akin to Trump.

You built this monstrosity of a party. Now you reap the rewards. Probably should not have called white males deplorables.

#44 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-11 10:18 PM | Reply

I also think Bernie should start dropping some hints as to who he might pick for VP. I know that's something I'd like to have a feel for.

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 10:23 PM | Reply

Look - I win either way. If the Dem elite stop Bernie for the nomination, the Dems split their party and Trump wins in a landslide. If the Dem elites step aside, Bernie will get killed in the general by Trump in a landslide. As such, I am the least bias person looking at this.

#25 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2020-02-11 09:31 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Bullschisst

#46 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 10:24 PM | Reply

The DNC will eliminate Bernie at any cost...Gal already knows this.

#36 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2020-02-11 10:00 PM | FLAG:

Like mosquito spray!

#47 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 10:25 PM | Reply

"As such, I am the least bias person looking at this."

In much the same way Trump is a very stable genius, I reckon.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 10:27 PM | Reply

It is fairly obvious that Ira, like the true Trumptard he is, is truly scared of Bernie. Bernie would wipe the floor with Trump. I'll pick a crazy old Jew screaming like grandpa Simpson at a cloud in the sky over a self-centered egotistical lying hypocritical bigoted sack of perverted ---- like Il Douche Trumpolini any day. Plenty will- that is if ol' Bernie doesn't have another coronary incident or let the Dem elite send him to campaign in a slow convertible in downtown Dallas.

Trumptards can take that stunning bit of prophecy to the bank, just as they most likely did back in spring, 2016 when I correctly predicted here (I think as my alter-ego Pumpkinhead) that Trump would be both the republican nominee and the next POTUS, lol.

And Gracie, feel free to save my post and store it right next to that sticky, tadpole-stained blue dress you wore to Mar-o-Lago a few years back and which now hangs breeding orange-tinted maggots in the middle of your Trump shrine.

#49 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2020-02-11 10:28 PM | Reply

Look - I win either way. If the Dem elite stop Bernie for the nomination, the Dems split their party and Trump wins in a landslide. If the Dem elites step aside, Bernie will get killed in the general by Trump in a landslide. As such, I am the least intelligent person looking at this.
#25 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2020-02-11 09:31 PM

FTFY

#50 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-02-11 10:28 PM | Reply

Interesting results this evening.

#51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-02-11 10:30 PM | Reply

Bernie is a Republican dream come true. Almost as good as the dems someday nominating a black man to run for office....oh wait.

#52 | Posted by Ectopet at 2020-02-11 10:31 PM | Reply

Interesting:

Amelia Thomson-DeVeaux10:26 PM

An interesting tidbit in the exit polls--it's Klobuchar, not Buttigieg, who has an outsize share of voters who attend religious services weekly. That's noteworthy because Buttigieg is quite religious, and has been making the case that he can reach religious voters. That doesn't seem to have been the case here in New Hampshire! Sanders, less surprisingly, has the edge among voters who never attend religious services.

fivethirtyeight.com

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 10:33 PM | Reply

Ima Orangebrick is the perfect member of the New Know-Nothing Party....

NEW POLL SHOWS EVERY DEMOCRATIC FRONTRUNNER BEATING DONALD TRUMP IN 2020 ELECTION
BY HUNTER MOYLER ON 2/5/20

www.newsweek.com

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-11 10:36 PM | Reply

@#25 ... Look - I win either way. ... and Trump wins in a landslide. ...

I always have wondered about sports fan who say "I won" when it was the team they were cheering for that actually won.

That aside...

I'm not yet convinced Pres Trump will win re-election in a landslide.

Fmr Pres Reagan won in a landslide, carrying what was it, 49 states?

Now, that is a landslide.

Squeaking to a win based upon the peculiarities of the Electoral College is not a landslide.

Having said that, I still hold by odds of Pres Trump winning re-election at 70%, i.e., better than 2 out of 3.


#55 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-02-11 10:36 PM | Reply

Bernie should use more folks like CA Rep Ro Khanna, who I saw earlier this evening talking about how a candidate Sanders would run on democratic socialism, which is for the people, versus Trump's corporate socialism, which is for the wealthy and multi-national corporations.

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 10:38 PM | Reply

Gal,

Hattip, Socialism/BigGovenment is always for the big organizations, you can attempt to distinguish but there is no difference.

#57 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-11 10:43 PM | Reply

Bernie winning means I can't lose ....

Not that Trump has to win, but if Bernie wins 2020, I still win ...

Really incredible my winning streak at this point, RCade should give me the MedalOfWinning!

#58 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-11 10:45 PM | Reply

"I always have wondered about sports fan who say "I won" when it was the team they were cheering for that actually won."

I win in that Trump's policies benefit me - not in some vague Team A vs. Team B sense.

"Squeaking to a win based upon the peculiarities of the Electoral College is not a landslide."

There won't be 'squeaking by' - outside of the liberals cesspools in CA, NY, and IL, pretty much every Dem state will be in play. Trump will add 60+ EC votes from last cycle regardless of the opponent. Run Booty-Judge or Klob and he wins 90+ more. Also, Trump will carry the popular vote in 2020 as well.

"Having said that, I still hold by odds of Pres Trump winning re-election at 70%, i.e., better than 2 out of 3.
#55 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER"

Your percentage is off by 30%.

#59 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-11 10:47 PM | Reply

Bernie gonna be the man to beat.

Eh.

He beat Hillary in NH in 2016 60-38%.

I wouldn't put much stock in these early primary states, as much as i'd like it to be true. The DNC and boomers will figure out a way to ---- Bernie.

#60 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-11 10:47 PM | Reply

"but there is no difference."

BS.

Democratic socialism = FDR, SS & Medicare

Corporate socialism = $2 trillion tax cuts for the wealthy & large corporations who pay literally nothing in taxes

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 10:48 PM | Reply

Look - I win either way. If the Dem elite stop Bernie for the nomination, the Dems split their party and Trump wins in a landslide. If the Dem elites step aside, Bernie will get killed in the general by Trump in a landslide. As such, I am the least bias person looking at this.

#25 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2020-02-11 09:31 PM | FLAG:

No, you had Hillary last time. you got a free ride. you will have a valid candidate if the DNC doesn't fry Sanders for Bloomberg.

#62 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 10:51 PM | Reply

Ira is still pretending not to be Sheeple, the guy who claims to be a Bernie supporter?

Embarrassing. Every iteration of that turd should be plonked.

#63 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-11 10:52 PM | Reply

#57

Ah, and there's the lumpy Mattress with it's nightly Red Commie Scare! report where he still can't tell the difference between Joe Stalin and N European social democratic policies.

But then, stupid is as stupid posts.

#64 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-11 10:53 PM | Reply

Bloomberg wil loose by a small percentage point to Trump. and it will be by the pony express.

#65 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-11 10:55 PM | Reply

- figure out a way to ---- Bernie.

Lefty conspiracy theories are just as dumb as rwinger paranoia.

Rigging a 3 million vote landslide..... uh-huh, happens all the time.

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-11 10:55 PM | Reply

I'm interested to know where the Warren and Biden supporters who peeled off went. Did they go to Bernie, Pete or Amy? Bloomberg wasn't on the ballot, so they couldn't have gone to him.

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 10:55 PM | Reply

#66 I said the DNC and boomers. I didn't say anything about vote rigging. Get a grip, loser.

#68 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-11 10:56 PM | Reply

- if Bernie wins 2020, I still win ...

According to your rhetoric, you'll be in a Soviet gulag.... hey, not a bad idea!

#69 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-11 10:57 PM | Reply

Rowdy audience at Buttigieg's speech.

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 10:58 PM | Reply

#68

Sorry, it sounded just like you said that the DNC would rig the election... funny, it still sounds that way.

#71 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-11 10:59 PM | Reply

Elena Schneider @ec_schneider

Pete Buttigieg kicks off his speech by congratulating his opponents, including Bernie Sanders.

"I admired Senator Sanders when I was a high school student, I respect him greatly to this day, and I congratulate him on a strong showing tonight."

#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 11:02 PM | Reply

According to your rhetoric, you'll be in a Soviet gulag.... hey, not a bad idea!

#69 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-02-11 10:57 PM | FLAG: You do realize that you just cited the very reason why the 2nd Amendment exists - right?

#73 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-02-11 11:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- "I admired Senator Sanders when I was a high school student,

Rather a back-handed preface... he could have continued, "and I still like the ancient fart" :*)

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-11 11:05 PM | Reply

@#59 ... Your percentage is off by 30%. ...

Possibly.

But 70% is the number I'm going with for now.

There are still a few months until Election Day.

But I do understand your optimism. (and that is not a statement I make lightly...)

#75 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-02-11 11:07 PM | Reply

#73

I realize that someone could say, "Popcorn, anyone!" and you'd think of the phallic symbol you like to shoot at old cans.

#76 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-11 11:07 PM | Reply

@#67 ... I'm interested to know where the Warren and Biden supporters who peeled off went. Did they go to Bernie, Pete or Amy? Bloomberg wasn't on the ballot, so they couldn't have gone to him. ...

If you can look past the soundtrack of this video (Bird Ballet: vimeo.com ), it is (to me) a good illustration of the Democratic primary voters at this point.

Flying around, almost aimlessly, gathering together for a time, dispersing for other times.

Aside from that comparison, the video is, imo, beautiful to watch.

#77 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-02-11 11:12 PM | Reply

Bernie has a rowdy crowd as well. "Bernie, Bernie, Bernie." (Mayor Pete's rowdy crowd chanted, "USA, USA, USA.")

#78 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 11:17 PM | Reply

"I'm interested to know where the Warren and Biden supporters who peeled off went. Did they go to Bernie, Pete or Amy?"

Partial answer:

Geoffrey Skelley11:02 PM

Returning to what Amelia, Perry and Meredith have said about Sanders, Warren and Klobuchar, I think education levels may help explain why some Warren backers might have moved to Klobuchar instead of, say, Sanders. For instance, in the most recent Quinnipiac University national poll, a bit more than half of Warren's support among white voters was college-educated but wholly two-thirds of Sanders's white supporters do not have college degrees. So some college-educated voters in New Hampshire may have moved from Warren to Klobuchar, instead of to Sanders. We saw in the exit polls that Klobuchar won among college-educated voters.

fivethirtyeight.com

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 11:20 PM | Reply

Is Warren done?

Warren's epic flop in New Hampshire leaves her no path to the Democratic nomination
www.washingtonexaminer.com

#80 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-11 11:24 PM | Reply

I'm seeing early reports that Sen Sanders was declared the winner.

fwiw...

#81 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-02-11 11:24 PM | Reply

Laura Bronner 11:21 PM

Sanders carried 63 percent of his own 2016 supporters " but they didn't turn out in as large numbers as last time. In contrast, Klobuchar and Buttigieg did well both among 2016 Clinton supporters and among those who supported neither candidate four years ago.

fivethirtyeight.com

#82 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 11:26 PM | Reply

@#80 ... Warren's epic flop in New Hampshire leaves her no path to the Democratic nomination ...

I don't know if I'd say "no path."

I'd say a more difficult path.

WashingtonExaminer? Maybe you should go back to the MSM you seem to extol in other comments.

#83 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-02-11 11:27 PM | Reply

"Sanders carried 63 percent of his own 2016 supporters--but they didn't turn out in as large numbers as last time."

Maybe some portion of Bernie's support last time boiled down to an anti-Clinton vote and without her in the race they weren't as motivated to vote for him or vote at all?

#84 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 11:29 PM | Reply

"the video is, imo, beautiful to watch."

Amazing.

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-11 11:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I think most voters don't care who is running against Trump...

#86 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-11 11:35 PM | Reply

- WashingtonExaminer?

Yes, and written by rwinger Kayllee McGhee.... whom Mattress turns to for objective analysis on the candidacy path of Democrats, rofl.

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-11 11:36 PM | Reply

Yes, and written by rwinger Kayllee McGhee.... whom Mattress turns to for objective analysis on the candidacy path of Democrats, rofl.

POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-02-11 11:36 PM | REPLY

Rubin: Democrats Cannot Afford to Refuse Money

Jennifer Rubin: I sometimes wonder if Democrats are aware they are in a fight to save our democracy from the clutches of President Trump.

POSTED BY CORKY AT 11:30 PM | 31 COMMENTS | PERMALINK | COMMENT ON THIS ENTRY |

She's a rwinger to boot.

Physician heal thyself.

#88 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-12 12:08 AM | Reply

Close race. The moderates may cancel each other out.

#89 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-12 12:11 AM | Reply

I see Bernie's doing alright.

#90 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-12 12:41 AM | Reply

#90 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

wazzap!

#91 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-02-12 01:33 AM | Reply

Pete Buttigieg finishes second in New Hampshire primary, Amy Klobuchar third - Edison Research. Live updates: reut.rs #NHprimary2020
twitter.com

Reuters can't just say Bernie won ...

Fascinating, I hope lefties see the bias here ...

#92 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-12 01:33 AM | Reply

Klobuchar looking good. Seems like someone nobody hates.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-12 01:42 AM | Reply

Liz is done unless Bernie croaks.

#94 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-12 06:33 AM | Reply

@Reuters
Pete Buttigieg finishes second in New Hampshire primary, Amy Klobuchar third
mobile.twitter.com

Lol. I wonder who won?

#95 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-12 07:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People used to get credit for winning early primaries until Sanders started doing it.

#96 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-12 07:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Close race. The moderates may cancel each other out.

The moderates combined total is more than twice Sanders' total. It is an interesting Primary season for Democrats.

#97 | Posted by YAV at 2020-02-12 07:53 AM | Reply

"Lol. I wonder who won?"

#bernieblindness

#98 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-12 08:03 AM | Reply

Kobluchar is still tracking a 0.1% chance of winning on FiveThirtyEight despite last night. If Klobuchar, Biden, and Bloomberg had the sense to drop out now, we'd be on our way to the First Gay President. He could drag out Hillary's unused glass ceiling and finally get to shatter it.

#99 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-12 08:04 AM | Reply

"Fascinating, I hope lefties see the bias here ..."

Most of the libs are okay with it, or at least are indifferent about it, either out of 2016 resentment or because they've fetishized the novelty of having a non-white heterosexual male candidate (something I can actually appreciate, FTR). Those barely left of center actively support it and pretend it doesn't exist because for however insulting or embarrassing or damaging Trump has been to the country in general and the Presidency in particular, they've still done fairly well for themselves these past four years and aren't interested in that changing in order to help people who can't afford an emergency $500 bill.

#100 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-12 08:23 AM | Reply

What Andrea really hopes is that Sanders voters stay home in the general or vote for Trump.

Rightwing concern trolling over the DNC primary is always funny when their own party is running a rigged primary to hand the nomination to an unqualified rapist with dementia.

#101 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-12 09:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What Andrea really hopes is that Sanders voters stay home in the general or vote for Trump."

I was reading an article the other day that argued "vote blue, no matter who" was a voter suppression technique employed by the Democrats, that it creates this idea that it doesn't matter who wins the primary so people will tend to stay home and let the party consensus choose for them.

#102 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-12 09:40 AM | Reply

#102 Interesting. I've always considered it less nefarious than that; more of an effort to plead with Dems to unite around beating Trump and stop infighting.

#103 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-12 09:44 AM | Reply

#103 - that's what it means to me. Far from tamping down my enthusiasm, it motivates me. Eye on the war, not the battle. Too much at stake.

#104 | Posted by YAV at 2020-02-12 09:55 AM | Reply

You do realize that you just cited the very reason why the 2nd Amendment exists - right?

#73 | POSTED BY MSGT

Your guns won't keep you out of the gulags. Our prisons are full of folks like you who thought the gun would save them.

Not unless your guns happen to be worth billions of dollars and you sell them to buy some good lawyers.

Money and Lawyers are what keep you out of the gulags these days. Not guns.

Ask OJ. Ask Humpy. Ask Roger Stone.

#105 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-12 10:45 AM | Reply

Word coming out right wing star chamber is that Fat Nixon fears Bloomberg a lot more than Bernie.

That means Bernie has him petrified.

#106 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-02-12 11:40 AM | Reply

Serious question for Sanders supporters: If he wins the nomination, what does he do to try and appeal to the middle (moderates and independents)?

#107 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 11:53 AM | Reply

Amusingly, from ABC News: imgur.com

#108 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-12 11:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- She's a rwinger to boot.
Physician heal thyself.

The point, since you missed it, is that even some neocons are left of some former supposedly liberal posters here.

#109 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-12 12:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Time for me to start switching gears. I have been a Warren supporter. It now looks as if she has almost no chance. I like Sanders passion and liberalism. I like Buttigieg's presentation and youthful confidence. I like Klobuchar's clear intelligence. I would gladly vote for any one of them over Trump. At this point though I am not committing to any of them.

#110 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-12 12:29 PM | Reply

Serious question for Sanders supporters: If he wins the nomination, what does he do to try and appeal to the middle (moderates and independents

I think a real discussion needs to be had over which group of people has more people in it:

(1) people in the "middle" who would vote for an alt-right rapist over Bernie

(2) people on the left who might not bother voting unless Bernie is the nominee

If it's 2, then your question doesn't matter.

#111 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-12 12:33 PM | Reply

When people on the right actually listen to Sanders rather than listening to what pundits say about him he gains support. He doesn't convince everyone but he moves the needle in his direction. Polls in the past have demonstrated he does better with Republicans after every time he's appeared on FOX news.

#112 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-12 12:36 PM | Reply

- Polls in the past have demonstrated he does better with Republicans after every time he's appeared on FOX news.

Exit polls of Trump voters in the 3 Rust Belt states that gave Trump the EC (by 0.057 percent of the vote) showed that these voters didn't really oppose stronger social safety net programs... as long as those programs didn't help minorities deteriorate their superior white social status.

Maybe Bernie can ease their conscience... while also trying to get more of the black vote. Politics is hard werk.

#113 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-12 12:47 PM | Reply

I like Buttigieg's presentation.

#110 | Posted by moder8

My sides!

#114 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:02 PM | Reply

#111

There are actually a few percent more moderate and conservative Dem voters thant there are liberal and far left voters.

www.pewresearch.org

Then again, the middle may be a myth.

fivethirtyeight.com

#115 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-12 01:02 PM | Reply

I like the way you hold yourself, M8!

#116 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:02 PM | Reply

'Notch! Whereyabeen? My favorite right winger is back.

#117 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-12 01:04 PM | Reply

The more I think about it, the more I see how these first two primaries are saying that Bernie is not going to win the nomination.

#118 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-12 01:13 PM | Reply

I can't fathom how Sanders could possibly move to the middle for the General. If he can't find a way I don't see how he can possibly win the General not without some incredible political luck (a massive recession or October surprise of epic proportions).

#119 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 01:31 PM | Reply

"I can't fathom how Sanders could possibly move to the middle for the General."

The Dems should nominate him. It's not like the party is in a great place anyways. Once beaten, the party could sling the Democratic Socialists back to the holes they crawled out of. Until they see that Bernie actually can't win, the Bros won't believe it. They'll continue to maintain the narrative that the election was stolen by the corporate bourgeoisie. They need to go through the process and realize that people don't support socialism.

Until that point, the Democratic party is stuck with these losers.

#120 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-12 01:40 PM | Reply

The Dems should nominate him.

Instead of?

Bernie is currently (2 states in) doing the best out of the available candidates.

"The Dems should nominate him." Sounds like they're doing him a favor.

Bernie has been busting his back reaching out to Americans. (Especially over the past 5 years.)

What have the other candidates been doing?

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 02:12 PM | Reply

I don't see how [Bernie] can possibly win the General
#119 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Most people couldn't see Trump winning the general election in 2016.

Regardless. Your vote is going to Trump.

Your opinion about the Democratic candidate is meaningless.

#122 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#122 I can't imagine a scenario where I'd vote for Trump.

Right now it looks like a 6 person race for the Dem nomination.

I have serious concerns about the strength of Biden's mind. He's clearly in some mental decline the question is whether or not this is just where he's at or is it a trend-line.

As for the other 5....I'm not sure I'd vote for any of them. I'd consider paying attention to Bloomberg and Klobichar, but Sanders Buttigeg or Warren? No way.

#123 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 02:20 PM | Reply

- sling the Democratic Socialists back to the holes

Yeah, voters really hated FDR, that's why he was Pres for such a short time. The New Deal basically ruined the country.... hahaha.

#124 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-12 02:25 PM | Reply

I can't fathom how Sanders could possibly move to the middle for the General.
#119 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2020-02-12 01:31 PM
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Pick a moderate for VP. Same thing Trump did with Pence to attract evangelicals.

#125 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-12 02:30 PM | Reply

I can't imagine a scenario where I'd vote for Trump.

With the nonstop cheerleading and water carrying you do for Trump, I can't imagine a scenario where you don't vote for Trump.

He's literally your favorite President.

I have serious concerns about the strength of Biden's mind.

Unless super Tuesday is completely different than the results of Iowa and NH, Biden is done. He's out and should never have joined the primaries. His best chance was for 2016, and he abandoned it because it was "Hillary's Turn!"

I'd consider paying attention to Bloomberg and Klobichar,

Bloomberg is a fool, wasting his money.

Klobuchar has always been middle of the crowd, not enough support to rise to the top, but enough to keep her going.

Sanders Buttigeg or Warren? No way.
#123 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Warren is done. She, like Biden, needs an incredible super Tuesday to stay in the game.

It's going to be either Bernie or Buttigeg.

You should vote for Trump. You spend so much time defending and adulating him here on the DR, it would be ridiculous for you not to do so.

#126 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 02:32 PM | Reply

POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

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Whats up buddy?

Welcome back!

#127 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 02:33 PM | Reply

Live or Die is back.

MadScientist is back.

-------------- is back.

It's like a reunion!

#128 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 02:34 PM | Reply

#127

Had to see what was happening now that we're neck deep in the election.

#129 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-12 02:35 PM | Reply

#129 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

Hey man! Great to see you back. We had a great cooking thread a couple of weeks ago. I really wish you'd been around to participate in it. Clownshack and Goatman really got going on mid eastern cuisine. Excellent stuff.

#130 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 02:37 PM | Reply

Pick a moderate for VP. Same thing Trump did with Pence to attract evangelicals.

#125 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

That would help a bit. Again though, he's staked out his positions for SO long I don't see him faking a move to the middle. Doing so might move some moderates but it would depress his base in the process.

#131 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 02:40 PM | Reply

I don't see him faking a move to the middle

He's not going to fake to the middle. He's got integrity.

If, for strategic purposes, he chooses a moderate VP, Bernie, himself, would remain to the left, hoping the moderate VP would appeal to moderate voters.

But, he may not care. He may pick an AOC type candidate for VP and give moderates the choice of 4 more years of Trump or giving Bernie a shot for the next 4 years.

It's been pointed out several times. Congress will never allow his plans to go through and at best he'd implement some watered down versions of his actual ideas.

At best, Bernie could revoke Trump's tax cut for the wealthy and reinstate some of the environmental regulations he's removed. Perhaps he could take on Citizens United.

#132 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 02:49 PM | Reply

Regardless. Your vote is going to Trump.

Not his vote.

Just his unwavering, undying, 24/7 online support.

#133 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-12 02:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Just his unwavering, undying, 24/7 online support.

Which makes his proclamation that he won't vote for Trump even more absurd.

#134 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 02:53 PM | Reply

"Bernie has been busting his back reaching out to Americans. (Especially over the past 5 years.)"

No, Scott.

Bernie has been busy reaching out to the left.

Average Americans...not so much. His campaign has even acknowledged their not going to mess around with states where he hasn't had much acceptance.

#135 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-12 02:57 PM | Reply

"#122 I can't imagine a scenario where I'd vote for Trump."

I can.

If Bernie is the nominee. I'd vote for Trump in a hot minute.

A vote for Bernie would be a vote for a left-wing version of Trump.

#136 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-12 02:59 PM | Reply

"Yeah, voters really hated FDR, that's why he was Pres for such a short time. The New Deal basically ruined the country.... hahaha."

FDR was a democratic socialist?

I thought he was a Democrat. Actually, I know he was. He went out of his way to make it clear he was not a socialist, even when his opponents accused him of it. Much like Obama.

Bernie on the other hand, be like "fcck yeah I'm a socialist!!!"

#137 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-12 03:02 PM | Reply

#137 You seem very hung up on labels and not actual policies.

In most western countries, Sanders would be considered a mainstream center-left social democrat, at worst.

Countries with better standards of living laugh at your characterization of Sanders as an extremist.

He's not going to seize the means of production.

He's going to fight for the working class.

The more that scares people like you, the more i think he's on the right track.

#138 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-12 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"In most western countries, Sanders would be considered a mainstream center-left social democrat, at worst."

I don't think so. I'm not aware of any European politician running on taxing the 1% into oblivion to pay for everything. VAT.

"Countries with better standards of living laugh at your characterization of Sanders as an extremist."

Again, if Sanders were proposing a VAT to compliment income tax funding, I would agree...but he's not. He's engaging in class warfare.

"He's going to fight for the working class."

He's going to fight to use taxpayer money to provide for or subsidize what he sees as the proletariat. Where is that happening in Europe?

"The more that scares people like you, the more i think he's on the right track."

Enjoy another four years of Trump then.

#139 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-12 03:17 PM | Reply

#137 You seem very hung up on labels and not actual policies...

#138 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-02-12 03:10 PM

Fair or not Sanders does in fact have a labeling problem. In his own words he's flat-out stated that he's a Socialist. He honeymooned in the USSR, for Pete's sake.

If he wins the nomination the Trump team will hang the label around his neck like an albatross. When asked about it Sanders has said that if Trump calls him a Socialist he's going to call Trump a Socialist.

As a Sanders supporter you'd best hope his comment was in jest because if that is actually how he plans on dealing with the label it demonstrates he's not prepared to deal with the label.

#140 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 03:18 PM | Reply

#139 I love your continued insistence that your problem with Sanders is how he intends to pay for his policies rather than the policies themselves.

So just come out and say it. If Sanders supported a VAT, would you vote for him?

#141 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-12 03:30 PM | Reply

#138. Let's ask Bernie.

"Under the Liberty Union banner, Sanders, then in his early 30s, ran for governor of Vermont in 1972 and 1976 and as a candidate for US Senate in 1972 and 1974. Sanders, also served as chairman of the party from 1973-1975. During this time, Sanders and Liberty Union argued for nationalization of the energy industry, public ownership of banks, telephone, electric, and drug companies and of the major means of production such as factories and capital, as well as other proposals such as a 100% income tax on the highest income earners in America. ...

"I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks and major industries," Sanders said in one interview with the Burlington Free Press in 1976."

#142 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-12 03:41 PM | Reply

www.cnn.com

#143 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-12 03:42 PM | Reply

sanders DOES have a labeling problem because the average american voter is ------- stupid.

#144 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-02-12 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's funny is, some of the same people who tell us not to take Trump literally. That he won't be able to make any drastic changes to our nation or our government.

Want us to take every word Bernie say literally, and want us to be very afraid of the damage Bernie will do to our nation.

Get a fkkking life, you partisan hacks.

#145 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- In his own words he's flat-out stated that he's a Socialist.

In his own words he's flat-out stated that he's a N European-style democratic socialist.

"I don't believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal," he said.

Sanders' promise to fulfill Roosevelt's Second Bill of Rights, which set economic security and independence as a national imperative, is intended to appeal to Democratic primary voters.

"By the way, almost everything (Roosevelt) proposed was called socialist,'" Sanders said, listing Social Security, the minimum wage, unemployment insurance, job programs, collective bargaining and the 40-hour work week as examples of accomplishments that "economic royalists" called "socialistic."

time.com

Here's the difference between a 'socialist' and a 'democratic socialist'
John Haltiwanger Feb 11, 2020,

"What democratic socialism means to me is we expand Medicare, we provide educational opportunity to all Americans, we rebuild our crumbling infrastructure," Sanders added. "In other words, government serves the needs of all people rather than just wealthy campaign contributors. That's what it means to me."

www.businessinsider.com

Dulli and Mattress and Trump and their ilk will continue with the COMMIE RED SCARE! lies about how Bernie is a Marxist and a Leninist... not that they actually know what that means.

It's sad to see you repeating these same tired memes.

#146 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-12 03:47 PM | Reply

#130

Good to see you again. I do miss the old food porn threads, lol.

#131

No matter what he does he's going to eventually depress his base to some extent, if he were to win, he'd have to compromise constantly with congress to get anything done.

#147 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-12 03:48 PM | Reply

#146 You cited one man's opinion?

Democratic socialism is socialism with elected leaders, no matter how many of Bernie's Useful Idiots think otherwise.

#148 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-12 03:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Regardless. Your vote is going to Trump.

Your opinion about the Democratic candidate is meaningless.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-02-12 02:16 PM | REPLY |

Not true! jeffy is voting for biden...

ROFL

#149 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-02-12 03:57 PM | Reply

#148

No, dummy.....

"The simple answer is that democratic socialists believe in a democracy, while communist forms of government are not democracies.

"Democratic socialists believe in elections, the First Amendment " [they] want ordinary people to have more power in a more democratic system," Kazin says. "In communist countries, the state controls everything and a small group of people control the state, a tyrannical system."

time.com

It's actually better defined as "social democracy"....

"If you were to summarize Bernie Sanders' campaign for president, you might say that he wanted to make the United States more like Denmark. He constantly referenced that particular Nordic country, and Scandinavia in general, as a political lodestar. More recently, he rolled out a new Medicare-for-all proposal " a maximalist, extremely generous proposal to provide all Americans with health care.

Despite Sanders' self-identification as a "democratic socialist," all this is classic social democracy " a political tradition with a long and deep history in Europe, but not much in the United States. But over the past few years, Sanders has moved squarely to the front rank of American politics " and, it seems, mostly because of his political ideas."

theweek.com

#150 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-12 04:11 PM | Reply

"But, he may not care. He may pick an AOC type candidate for VP and give moderates the choice of 4 more years of Trump or giving Bernie a shot for the next 4 years."

The problem with Bernie picking an AOC type is the negative effect it could have on down ballot races. AOC types do well in very liberal areas, not so well in other places. The Dems didn't win back the House in 2018 by nominating and electing AOC types in any and all Congressional districts. Bernie could pick a liberal but would do well to pick one less liberal than AOC and her squad. My 2 cents.

#151 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-12 04:16 PM | Reply

#151

I'm not saying he will or won't.

Bernie would benefit from a more moderate black female VP.

Just to make sure he checks all the boxes.

Possibly a Kamala Harris? Maxine Waters? Stacey Abrams?

#152 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 04:24 PM | Reply

Waters, no. Harris or Abrams, good possibilities.

#153 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-12 04:26 PM | Reply

#149 I'm beginning to think Biden won't win the Dem nomination, Alex.

#154 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 04:27 PM | Reply

Waters would be an unmitigated disaster. Harris would be an OK pick. Abrams might be OK too.

#155 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 04:27 PM | Reply

Not true! jeffy is voting for biden...
ROFL

POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2020-02-12 03:57 PM | REPLY

Yeah and I'm Queen Bathsheba too.

#156 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-12 04:29 PM | Reply

Stacey Abrams on Why Voter Turnout Is More Important Than Conversion
Feb 12, 2020

Late Night with Seth Meyers

Stacey Abrams shares her thoughts about voter conversion and the Census and voter organizations she started after the 2018 election.

www.youtube.com

#157 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-12 04:35 PM | Reply

I see Sanders as McGovern 2.0 if he wins the nomination.

Part of me hopes he does win the nomination. I think he'd get smoked in the General and the Democratic Party would be forced to do some much-needed recalibration.

#158 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 04:40 PM | Reply

I thinkhope he'd get smoked in the General

At least be honest.

#159 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 04:45 PM | Reply

I see Sanders as McGovern 2.0

Because America hasn't changed since 1972?

#160 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 04:46 PM | Reply

Because America hasn't changed since 1972?

#160 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Of course it has. I was making an analogy - that Sanders would have comparable electoral success as McGovern if he wins the nomination.

#161 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 04:50 PM | Reply

I thinkhope he'd get smoked in the General

At least be honest.

#159 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

OK, I'll be honest. I hope I get smoked tonight (I'm talking pole).

#162 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 04:51 PM | Reply

#150 Social democracy (what we have now, by the way) is NOT Democratic Socialism. And frankly, it's mind-boggling that you believe the difference between socialism and communism is the concentration of authority. Ever hear of Venezuela? Democratic socialism that devolved to a dictatorship...but was still socialism. It just became Marxist Socialism...socialism without democracy. Communism is different in fundamental ways.

How about instead of citing some nimrod with a bias, we just read something non-biased?

www.history.com

Under communism, there is no such thing as private property. All property is communally owned, and each person receives a portion based on what they need. A strong central government"the state"controls all aspects of economic production, and provides citizens with their basic necessities, including food, housing, medical care and education.

By contrast, under socialism, individuals can still own property. But industrial production, or the chief means of generating wealth, is communally owned and managed by a democratically elected government.

Another key difference between socialism and communism is the means of achieving them. In communism, a violent revolution in which the workers rise up against the middle and upper classes is seen as an inevitable part of achieving a pure communist state. Socialism is a less rigid, more flexible ideology. Its adherents seek change and reform.

#163 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-12 04:58 PM | Reply

Isn't it fun when Musty gets his depends all soaked while trying to control the narrative.

Listen Must, despite your definitions. Bernie isn't going to dismantle corporate America.

I'm sure you're great at scaring Trumpublicans.

But the rest of us understand what Bernie is attempting to do and his goals for our future.

#164 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 05:24 PM | Reply

-Bernie isn't going to dismantle corporate America.

Of course not. Neither party will let him do it. This is why I'm not scared of a Sanders presidency. I would even embrace it.

#165 | Posted by eberly at 2020-02-12 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I would even embrace it.

If all Bernie manages to do is revoke the Trump tax cut, I'd be happy.

If he managed to fight citizens united. American politics will be better off.

If he gets environmental regulations back to where they were pre Trump, the future for our country will be brighter, cleaner, healthier.

The rest of the stuff he's proposing will be an uphill battle and none of it will get accomplished. Especially in 4 years.

#166 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 05:42 PM | Reply

I think he'd get smoked in the General and the Democratic Party would be forced to do some much-needed recalibration.
#158 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Re-calibration back to what? Propping up the "next in line" candidate? Sanders is a drastic shift for Democrats, much like Trump was for Republicans.

#167 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-12 06:00 PM | Reply

I think we can all agree that whoever is nominated this time will be better than the crap we were stuck with last time.

#168 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-12 06:33 PM | Reply

I think we can all agree that whoever is nominated this time will be better than the crap we were stuck with last time.

You'd think so.

But, this is the DR.

So, all bets are off.

#169 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 06:40 PM | Reply

Isn't it fun when Musty gets his depends all soaked while trying to control the narrative.

I'm just trying to educate a generation of useful idiots in basic economic theory. Controlling the narrative - redefining terms to fool morons, for instance - is the job of politicians.

#170 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-12 06:51 PM | Reply

- #163

Doesn't understand what I post, but it's OK, he doesn't understand what he posts, either.

Bernie has said the exact opposite of "the chief means of generating wealth, is communally owned and managed by a democratically elected government."

That would be Venezuela.

Social democracy is what FDR modeled the New Deal on, and Bernie is proposing the completion of the 2nd New Deal... neither of which involves "the chief means of generating wealth, is communally owned".

#170

You and your 5th grade edumacation?

social democracy

www.theatlantic.com

#171 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-12 07:48 PM | Reply

Power to the people: Bernie calls for federal takeover of electricity production

Sanders wants federally owned utilities to build massive amounts of wind and solar to compete with private generators, but critics say that would complicate an already tricky transition to clean energy.

www.politico.com

I bet that will work as well as Solyndra. Or Carter's synthetic fuel corporation.

#172 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-12 07:53 PM | Reply

Winning was a huge blow to Sanders.

Buttigieg lost, which is clearly a win for him, especially since he lost to Sanders, to whom he's lost to twice now, making the Sanders loss even more disappointing to Sanders and his supporters.

Sanders now needs to string a big loss or two in a row.

It's the only chance he has to win.

#173 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-12 07:54 PM | Reply

Sanders wants federally owned utilities to build massive amounts of wind and solar

Jobs and clean energy?

No wonder you're upset...

#174 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 08:02 PM | Reply

Wind = cancer #174.

No wonder you're not upset.

#175 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-12 08:22 PM | Reply

Wind = cancer #174.

Plenty of room in desolate red states.

#176 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 08:28 PM | Reply

"So just come out and say it. If Sanders supported a VAT, would you vote for him?"

I still wouldn't vote for him...but I would respect him. Now I just view him as a shallow, selfish old man. Kinda like Trump.

#177 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-13 05:44 AM | Reply

"sanders DOES have a labeling problem because the average american voter is ------- stupid."

Stupid?

because they don't want to repeat the Venezuela experiment here in the US?

#178 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-13 05:46 AM | Reply

"It's sad to see you repeating these same tired memes."

Is it equally sad to see Sanders reinforcing these memes?

#179 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-13 05:47 AM | Reply

"I'm just trying to educate a generation of useful idiots in basic economic theory."

That's about as likely as convincing an evangelical that the earth is more than 4,000 years old than that dinosaurs aren't one of the devil's tricks.

#180 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-13 08:23 AM | Reply

Re-calibration back to what? Propping up the "next in line" candidate? Sanders is a drastic shift for Democrats, much like Trump was for Republicans.

#167 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Recalibration to normality.

The Democratic Party learned nothing from their stunning 2016 loss. They also learned nothing from their staggering losses in the House and Senate during the Obama years plus their huge losses at the state level during that time-frame.

The party needs some serious introspection and right now they seem incapable. So, go ahead. Nominate Sanders, get crushed and stop it with the stupid rationalizations and insipid conspiracy theories and fix the damn party, cuz right now it's clearly broken.

#181 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-13 08:25 AM | Reply

I think we can all agree that whoever is nominated this time will be better than the crap we were stuck with last time.

#168 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

Hillary Clinton is worse than all of these candidates. So, yes, I agree with you on this.

#182 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-13 08:26 AM | Reply

there is some monkey business going on in NH total Dem votes cast 296,622 vs Dem registered voters in NH 276,385

#183 | Posted by Maverick at 2020-02-13 10:31 AM | Reply

LFTHNDTHRDS wrote "obammy" You are a racist.

#184 | Posted by tknees at 2020-02-13 10:49 AM | Reply

Nulli wrote: "I bet that will work as well as Solyndra. Or Carter's synthetic fuel corporation." He forgot where the Chinese put more subsidies into their government owned solar companies and defeated the US company Solyndra. He also forgot to mention the billions upon billions of dollars that prop up big oil, coal and gas that the tax payer gets stuck paying the bill for. And those companies make huge profits which they keep and do not share with the tax payers that subsidies them.

#185 | Posted by tknees at 2020-02-13 10:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"there is some monkey business going on in NH total Dem votes cast 296,622 vs Dem registered voters in NH 276,385"

FFS, New Hampshire is an "open" primary state where the Republican nomination is already a lock, Maverick. Independents can vote in the Dem contest and they make up 42% of political registrations in the state. Think things through before you rush to click publish.

#186 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-13 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He also forgot to mention the billions upon billions of dollars that prop up big oil

#185 | POSTED BY TKNEES AT 2020-02-13 10:59 AM | FLAG:

The solar panels are petroleum products that benefit directly from those subsidies.

China just used cheaper labor, that's it. Tesla's Solar Roof installs have finally begun. It's China sourced panels, not Solar City, now Tesla, Gigafactory in New Jersey. Non-flexible panels with a questionable water seal that look bad compared to a simpler panels over shingles setup. What a let down.

#187 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-13 12:32 PM | Reply

LFTHNDTHRDS wrote "obammy" You are a racist.

#184 | POSTED BY TKNEES AT 2020-02-13 10:49 AM | FLAG:

LoL!

TKNEES knoweth not what he speaketh of.

#188 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-14 08:50 AM | Reply

TKNEES knoweth not what he speaketh of.

#188 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Come on, dude. Everyone knows you are a racist. That's the motive for you smoking meat - it's a Southern thing.

#189 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-14 09:01 AM | Reply

I used to like a little smoked meat once in a while;)

#190 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-14 01:17 PM | Reply

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