Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, February 12, 2020

President Trump congratulated Attorney General Bill Barr on Wednesday "for taking charge" of the Roger Stone case, a day after four federal prosecutors withdrew from the case after the Justice Department took the unusual step of intervening to seek a shorter sentence for the longtime ally of the president.

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We used to have three branches of government.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-12 09:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

nothing to see here.

-The DR constitutional scholars

#2 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-02-12 09:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The DOJ claims they made their mind up on this prior to the "President's" twitter tantrum, but he keeps undermining them. Like a toddler who can't keep his mouth shut when dad gives him an extra cookie.

For the rest of my life i will never understand why so many Republicans have acquiesced if not all-out supported this infantile embarrassment of a person.

#3 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-12 09:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Barr is his Wingman!

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-12 09:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The con con conservatives who were outraged by Lynch meeting Bubba on a tarmac in 2016 are now giddy about this.

#5 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-02-12 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Ok, give Stone the 7-9 but make damn sure you hold Brennon, Clapper and Comey to the same standards. They broke more laws than Stone.

#6 | Posted by fishpaw at 2020-02-12 09:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

fishpaw

comey got sentenced by a judge?

#7 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-02-12 09:56 AM | Reply

Where are our "constitutional conservatives" who believe in "limited government" today?

#8 | Posted by anton at 2020-02-12 09:56 AM | Reply

Ok, give Stone the 7-9 but make damn sure you hold Brennon, Clapper and Comey to the same standards. They broke more laws than Stone.

#6 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2020-02-12 09:53 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

How about indictments, trials, and convictions before sentencing?

#9 | Posted by anton at 2020-02-12 09:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Somewhere there are poor folks serving 10 or more years for smoking a blunt. Yet con artists and fraudsters like the Trumps will roam free.

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-02-12 10:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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i will never understand why so many Republicans have acquiesced

Because he fires up the rabid morons that Rush Limpbaugh drove away from the GOP in 2008 and 2012. They are so desperate to "own the libs" they don't care what damage is being done to the Republic. When a democratic president in office, then they will go back to gnashing their teeth and howling of things like this. Its what they do.

#11 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-02-12 10:05 AM | Reply

It's going to be interesting to see how President Sanders and AG AOC use these new powers.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-12 10:07 AM | Reply

How about a press conference by Barr to sort out exactly why this was done.

Too much to ask after four of your employees resign?

#13 | Posted by brass30 at 2020-02-12 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ok, give Stone the 7-9 but make damn sure you hold Brennon, Clapper and Comey to the same standards. They broke more laws than Stone.
#6 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2020-02-12 09:53 AM | REPLY | FLAG:
How about indictments, trials, and convictions before sentencing?

#9 | POSTED BY ANTON AT 2020-02-12 09:57 AM | FLAG:

They are coming.

#14 | Posted by fishpaw at 2020-02-12 10:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 1

It's going to be interesting to see how President Sanders and AG AOC use these new powers.

Bruce - But really think about it. Take all the Democratic candidates right now. Do you honestly think any one of them would pull the stunts that Trump does? No way...they'd obey and respect law. They are ALL stand up individuals.

Now take the potential Republican candidates after Trump.....how do you think they'll act? I give you Donald Trump, Jr.

#15 | Posted by brass30 at 2020-02-12 10:18 AM | Reply

How about a press conference by Barr to sort out exactly why this was done.
Too much to ask after four of your employees resign?

#13 | POSTED BY BRASS30 AT 2020-02-12 10:15 AM | FLAG:

They were Mueller hold overs, they are frustrated that that investigation proved to be a dud. Their resume isn't looking good after that one.

#16 | Posted by fishpaw at 2020-02-12 10:23 AM | Reply

Bruce - But really think about it. Take all the Democratic candidates right now. Do you honestly think any one of them would pull the stunts that Trump does? No way...they'd obey and respect law. They are ALL stand up individuals.
Now take the potential Republican candidates after Trump.....how do you think they'll act? I give you Donald Trump, Jr.

#15 | POSTED BY BRASS30 AT 2020-02-12 10:18 AM | FLAG:

They might if they had the sitting administration creating false investigation for before and during their first three years in office.

#17 | Posted by fishpaw at 2020-02-12 10:31 AM | Reply

They are coming.

#14 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

"They" are not even warm yet.

Jesus says stop touching yourself!

But, but what about Crooked Hillary?

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-12 10:37 AM | Reply

It's going to be interesting to see how President Sanders and AG AOC use these new powers.

I would think the attorney general would need to be a licensed attorney, but I strongly support AOC having a highly visible role in this fantasy Sanders administration so as to fully trigger all Trumpers. Maybe EPA Administrator?

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-12 10:41 AM | Reply

Ok, give Stone the 7-9 but make damn sure you hold Brennon, Clapper and Comey to the same standards. They broke more laws than Stone.

#6 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

We aren't talking about a Fantasy Land where you can waive a magic wand and reverse the DOJ decision.

It happened. Trump forced the DOJ to help get his buddy out of trouble for doing illegal things for Trump.

It happened. Trump is a corrupt POS. And you don't care.

End of Story.

#20 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

End of Story.

#20 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

No. Not the end of the story.

November is coming.

We the People can put Trumpy right where he belongs in November.

In prison.

Lock Him Up!

Lock Him Up!

Lock Him Ip!

Go Bernie!

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-12 11:13 AM | Reply

Hic!

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-12 11:13 AM | Reply

They are coming.
#14 | POSTED BY FISHPAW
"They" are not even warm yet.
Jesus says stop touching yourself!
But, but what about Crooked Hillary?
#18 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2020-02-12 10:37 AM | FLAG:

You have no idea and I'm sure you won't want to know when it comes out. FISA abuse is just the iceberg. Busting Stone was all part of it. This was abuse of power on steroids. Call it a conspiracy theory and I will admit I was wrong if I'm wrong but I don't think I am. I have been following it for a year and everything I've read has ended up being true.

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2020-02-12 11:14 AM | Reply

#19 - this goes along with the gop's whole lack of intellect campaign.

Do they really think that this new corruption, that they support, will not be used in upcoming presidencies that they do not support?

#24 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-02-12 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

.....and Trump is thinking..."...and you ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till I get re-elected!!!!

#25 | Posted by saginawmi at 2020-02-12 11:35 AM | Reply

It happened. Trump forced the DOJ to help get his buddy out of trouble for doing illegal things for Trump. - #20 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2020-02-12 11:05 AM

Except that you have no evidence that It happened other than your fevered imagination. In the real world, the DoJ stated that the decision was made to review the sentencing statement prior to the tweet of, and without any input from, Donald Trump. End of Story.
"A senior Justice Department official said that department leadership had resolved on Monday evening to challenge the initial sentencing memo, before the president's Twitter post."

"Barr had no contact with the White House and that the decision to change the sentencing recommendation was made before the Trump tweet."www.nbcnews.com

Why do you insist on spreading misinformation?

#26 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-02-12 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From Avigdore's link:

""This signals to me that there has been a political infestation," NBC News legal analyst Chuck Rosenberg, a former U.S. attorney in Virginia, said on MSNBC. "And that is the single most dangerous thing that you can do to the Department of Justice."

#27 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-12 11:47 AM | Reply

Call it a conspiracy theory and I will admit I was wrong if I'm wrong but I don't think I am. I have been following it for a year and everything I've read has ended up being true.

#23 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

No. You won't. You won't admit a damn thing.

When Humpy meets his fate you will not be there. You and the deplorables will never admit your foolishness. That's not how it works.

You will just move the goal posts to fit your new lies.

As they say ignorance is bliss. And I am obviously not the blissful one here.

Did you Liars ever find those WMD? Did Republicans ever apologize for the lies that got us into the Iraq War and right into the middle of the worst morass in the world? No.

And they will never apologize for trump either. Even after he ends up in the courts and maybe even prison after America tosses him to the curb.

But what about Crooked Hillary?

What about Obama?

They will be on vacation. Having fun.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-12 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Barr is his Wingman!

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris

I'm a dishonest piece of schit!
-Mackris

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-12 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How about indictments, trials, and convictions before sentencing?

#9 | Posted by anton

Law and order is only when they want it.

If it's a Dem? Pfft already guilty so lock 'em up!

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-12 11:58 AM | Reply

I think it is time for a jury strike. Since laws don't apply to cult45, acquit everyone.

No legal system if it is a corrupt one.

Let the rich and powerful see the consequences of not jailing criminals.

#31 | Posted by bored at 2020-02-12 12:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ok, give Stone the 7-9 but make damn sure you hold Brennon, Clapper and Comey to the same standards. They broke more laws than Stone.
#6 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

It's fun when the droolers post shht like this.

As though any left winger is going to cry if they start throwing FBI agents and random government officials in prison.

#32 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-12 12:04 PM | Reply

So the King is now the Law, rather than the Law being King.

Eventually Trump will get around to killing each individual sacred cow; that of farmers, of blue-collar workers, the middle-class.... but like a good conman he'll be gone by the time they finally figure out he's bamboozled them.

Sad to watch.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-12 12:12 PM | Reply

It happened. Trump forced the DOJ to help get his buddy out of trouble for doing illegal things for Trump.
#20 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2020-02-12 11:05 AM
Except that you have no evidence that It happened other than your fevered imagination. In the real world, the DoJ stated that the decision was made to review the sentencing statement prior to the tweet of, and without any input from, Donald Trump. End of Story.
"A senior Justice Department official said that department leadership had resolved on Monday evening to challenge the initial sentencing memo, before the president's Twitter post."
"Barr had no contact with the White House and that the decision to change the sentencing recommendation was made before the Trump tweet."www.nbcnews.com
Why do you insist on spreading misinformation?

#26 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Trump Tweets. DOJ does it hours later.

Avigdore: Trump denied it so it obviously didn't happen!

But you're right. I believe them. Barr maybe didn't talk to Trump. All he did was read the Tweet and follow the order like a good little henchman.

#34 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Guyzzzz!

Mueller's Special Counsel operation looing into *muh Russia* was founded on bogus warrants.

Mueller lied about it under oath.

Fusion GPS? Never heard of them.

Such an awesome *line*.

Pass it on.

LOL

#35 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 12:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

This is a big deal. It should (but doesn't) both right wingers as much as liberals. This is a perversion of the DOJ and our Constitutionally designed justice system.

#36 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-12 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is a perversion of the DOJ and our Constitutionally designed justice system.

#36 | Posted by moder8

And the supposed "patriots" are the ones reacting with a "meh".

But we always knew that for those faux patriots "patriotism" meant "when the US is what I want".

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-12 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republicans are scum

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-02-12 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lying to liars shouldn't be a crime. No jail.

#40 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-02-12 12:45 PM | Reply

Guyzzzz!
Mueller's Special Counsel operation looing into *muh Russia* was founded on bogus warrants.
Mueller lied about it under oath.
Fusion GPS? Never heard of them.
Such an awesome *line*.
Pass it on.
LOL

#35 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

1. "Mueller's Special Counsel operation looing into *muh Russia* was founded on bogus warrants."
Trump DOJ's special investigation found this to be false.

2. "Mueller lied about it under oath."
No. He didn't.

3. "Fusion GPS"
Fusion GPS has nothing to do with it. Are you pretending Ukraine hacked the Dems?

Did you find the Clinton run child prostitution pizza shop basement yet?

#41 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 12:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But we always knew that for those faux patriots "patriotism" meant "when the US is what I want".

POSTED BY JPW AT 2020-02-12 12:33 PM | REPLY

Reposted for truth.

#42 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-02-12 12:56 PM | Reply

Not a single mention of disgraced prosecutor Jessie Liu in this whole thread.

You'll hear a lot about her if you ever *leave the chamber*.

LOL

#43 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 12:57 PM | Reply

Lying to liars shouldn't be a crime. No jail.

#40 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2020-02-12 12:45 PM

You're a sad little partisan.

#44 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-02-12 12:57 PM | Reply

#41 Wrong.

#45 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 12:57 PM | Reply

You're a sad little partisan.

#44 | Posted by Alexandrite

So funny!

I did not see that coming.

#46 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 12:59 PM | Reply

Dixville, for someone so interested in the truth, you sure do advocate obsessively for the villains.

What happened to the old Dixville who believed in truth, justice and the American Way?

#47 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-02-12 01:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not a single mention of disgraced prosecutor Jessie Liu in this whole thread.
You'll hear a lot about her if you ever *leave the chamber*.
LOL

#43 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

She's disgraced?

In December, Trump nominated her to a Treasury Position.

So how is she disgraced other than Trump nominating her?

#48 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:05 PM | Reply

He pulled her out of her position.

He withdrew her nomination.

She's dirty.

Catch up.

#49 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#41 Wrong.

#45 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

No, that's literally all accurate.

Maybe if you read something besides 4Chan...

Michael Horowitz, the department's independent watchdog, already found no evidence the FBI had improper motive in launching Crossfire Hurricane or carrying out certain investigative steps, but also detailed a series of errors by the FBI as they sought out intrusive surveillance measures.

But I'm glad Barr hired Durham, yet another person to cover for Trump and who still hasn't said the FBI acted illegally with the FISA warrants.

#50 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:13 PM | Reply

He pulled her out of her position.
He withdrew her nomination.
She's dirty.
Catch up.

#49 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Prove it.

#51 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:13 PM | Reply

Dixville, for someone so interested in the truth, you sure do advocate obsessively for the villains.
What happened to the old Dixville who believed in truth, justice and the American Way?

#47 | Posted by madscientist

Same old me.

How about you, Mad? Can you still blow it out your ass?

#52 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:14 PM | Reply

He pulled her out of her position.
He withdrew her nomination.
She's dirty.
Catch up.

#49 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Oh I get it.

She's dirty because she didn't try to let Stone off with a slap on the wrist for 7 convictions.

Dirty=Not Helping Trump cover for his Buddies

Guess we have different ideas of Dirty.

#53 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Prove it.
#51 | Posted by Sycophant

You need to get out more.

duckduckgo.com

#54 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:17 PM | Reply

Prove it.
#51 | Posted by Sycophant
You need to get out more.
duckduckgo.com

#54 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

That's a bunch of links saying the nomination was withdrawn.

Not that she was "dirty".

Do you know what Proof is?

#55 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:18 PM | Reply

#41 Wrong.
#45 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

No, that's literally all accurate.
Maybe if you read something besides 4Chan...

#50 | Posted by Sycophant

My good man! Perhaps you haven't heard:

I am extremely well read.

*Enjoy!*

#56 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Do you know what Proof is?
#55 | Posted by Sycophant

Dude, read the stories!

Confucius say: Open mind at least as wide as ----.

Your mind:---- ratio has gotten sloppy.

Hang loose, bruthah!

#57 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:22 PM | Reply

#41 Wrong.
#45 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH
No, that's literally all accurate.
Maybe if you read something besides 4Chan...
#50 | Posted by Sycophant
My good man! Perhaps you haven't heard:
I am extremely well read.
*Enjoy!*
#56 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

4Chan doesn't make you well read.

And you've proven it with NO evidence against Liu.

Even The Post says its because Trump buddies didn't like how hard she was on Flynn. Look up Trump buddy, Barbara Ldeen.

Funny how she was good enough in December. But now that Stone's sentence is being reduced, she's "dirty".

#58 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:23 PM | Reply

Do you know what Proof is?
#55 | Posted by Sycophant
Dude, read the stories!
Confucius say: Open mind at least as wide as ----.
Your mind:---- ratio has gotten sloppy.
Hang loose, bruthah!

#57 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

I have. No evidence Liu did anything wrong other than go hard on Flynn and cooperate with the Mueller probe pursuant to law.

Dirty=Not Helping Trump's buddies

I'm trying to see things from your point of view but I just don't want to stick my head up Trump's ass that far.

#59 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:24 PM | Reply

DIXVILLENOTCH,

You said Liu was dirty.

You presented a DuckDuckGo search of stories saying her nomination was rescinded.

You have presented NO evidence Liu did anything dirty.

You are just a damn liar.

We can pick this up again when you can post ACTUAL EVIDENCE Liu did anything wrong.

#60 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:27 PM | Reply

who still hasn't said the FBI acted illegally with the FISA warrants.

#50 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

That's how Horowitz characterized it - that those warrants were improperly obtained.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dixville, for someone so interested in the truth, you sure do advocate obsessively for the villains.

#47 | Posted by madscientist

I did not have you pegged as someone who supported secret courts approving spying on Americans based on falsified warrant applications.

Lot to unpack what you're supporting there. Secret court. Spying on Americans. Falsified warrant applications.

I shall weep all the while, now, as I peg you thusly.

#62 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:31 PM | Reply

With vigor.

I will peg you thusly with vigor until you cry out for me to stop.

#63 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:31 PM | Reply

I did not have you pegged as someone who supported secret courts approving spying on Americans based on falsified warrant applications.

I didn't either. Some clarification is definitely in order.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 01:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That's how Horowitz characterized it - that those warrants were improperly obtained.

#61 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

No.

Here's a breakdown for you:

The FBI's Russia probe was justified and not biased.
There was no evidence of "political bias or improper motivation" when a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant was obtained to surveil Trump campaign aide Carter Page, or when investigating campaign chairman Paul Manafort, campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos and national security adviser Michael Flynn.
However, the FBI's surveillance program, and how it obtains FISA warrants, is peppered with errors, the report stated, including "17 significant errors or omissions in the Carter Page FISA applications."

Horowitz added that the opening of his testimony and in his report that the investigation was legitimate.

He did not indicate the warrants were improperly obtained but that they were based on thin suspicion and some facts were made to appear more supportive than they might have been.

#65 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:40 PM | Reply

Dixville, for someone so interested in the truth, you sure do advocate obsessively for the villains.
#47 | Posted by madscientist
I did not have you pegged as someone who supported secret courts approving spying on Americans based on falsified warrant applications.
Lot to unpack what you're supporting there. Secret court. Spying on Americans. Falsified warrant applications.
I shall weep all the while, now, as I peg you thusly.
#62 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

More lying? I'm SO surprised!

The warrant applications weren't falsified. The only report out indicates this.

And yes, I totally support "spying" on Americans when there is sufficient evidence they are collaborating with a foreign government in violation of US law.

I DID peg you as someone who would be okay with Trump's team selling us out to Putin.

#66 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:44 PM | Reply

I did not have you pegged as someone who supported secret courts approving spying on Americans based on falsified warrant applications.
I didn't either. Some clarification is definitely in order.

#64 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

They weren't falsified. The most damning claim by the Independent Watchdog? The FBI engaged in card stacking and has errors in process.

But at no time did the Report EVER say the Warrants were falsified.

Do you really believe absolutely anything you hear? Wouldn't it be better to actually read the report?

#67 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 01:46 PM | Reply

Liu did anything wrong other than go hard on Flynn

#59 | Posted by Sycophant

You obviously haven't seen the long list of exculpatory evidence she excluded from the court.

You know she says they lost the original Flynn FBI interview notes, aka the Flynn 302? She submitted only a draft that Strozk and Page concocted months later.

It goes on and on, baby.

#68 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:48 PM | Reply

Why do you insist on spreading misinformation?
#26 | POSTED BY ABIGWHORE

Find a mirror, BigWhore.

Your speciality here on the DR is spreading misinformation.

You excel at it.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 01:49 PM | Reply

What happened to the old Dixville who believed in truth, justice and the American Way?
#47 | POSTED BY MADSCIENTIST

He never existed, or was a figment of your imagination.

You choose.

:)

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 01:50 PM | Reply

Trump's team selling us out to Putin.

#66 | Posted by Sycophant

Question every Democrat should ask themselves:

To which of the following of his puppet's achievements does Putin beat his meat the most?

A) America becoming energy independent, driving down the price of oil
B) America's military buildup
C) The lowest unemployment levels in American history
D) The infiltration of socialists into the Democrat Party

#71 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:53 PM | Reply

Do you really believe absolutely anything you hear? Wouldn't it be better to actually read the report?

#67 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

I watched Horowitz' testimony in its entirety. I'm basing it on what he said.

Here is what he said:

1. The Steele Dossier was complete garbage. It was third and fourth-hand gossip talk, the type of gossip told over beers at the bar. Further, primary source #1 (the guy feeding the gossip to Steele), when interviewed said that these rumors were WAY overblown and shouldn't even be taken very seriously, it at all.

2. The Steele Dossier was "essential and central" to the FISA warrants.

3. An email was altered which hid exculpatory evidence for Carter Page.

4. As corroborating evidence the FBI used a Yahoo news article as an independent source except that the source for that article was Steele himself.

5. The FBI presented the sourcing for the Dossier as reliable when they knew it wasn't - "salacious and unverified" is how the document was viewed.

6. The FBI failed to disclose that the dossier was political opposition research.

1-6 is mostly paraphrased but it accurately reflects the IG testimony.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"To which of the following of his puppet's achievements does Putin beat his meat the most?"

#71 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at

Trump repeating and supporting Russian propaganda.

I think Putin beats his meat to that everyday.

#73 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 01:56 PM | Reply

#71 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at

You're like any other fascist who visits here. There's a whole universe of evil Trump engages in, and engages every day; but your duty is to close your eyes, stop your ears, and put your hands over your mouth.

#74 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 01:59 PM | Reply

Wouldn't it be better to actually read the report?
#67 | Posted by Sycophant

Dude, either you know you are lying, or you are benighted by Democrat deceit. Either way, this is why you are losing.

Inspector General report absolutely concluded, and subsequent testimony of Inspector General Horowitz and FBI Director Wray expanded, that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance warrants against Carter Page were falsified.

duckduckgo.com

#75 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 01:59 PM | Reply

Guyzzz! The FISA warrant falsifications is old news! Lots has been happening. You are going to get dizzy?

You think they'll impeach Trump yet? Maybe later this week?

LOL

#76 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:00 PM | Reply

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at

Are you going to support Trump when he defies a Court order, JEFF, because after yesterday that the very next thing.

You've chosen the fascist side, JEFF. Everything you post has become so many flares to distract from that.

#77 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:00 PM | Reply

With vigor.
I will peg you thusly with vigor until you cry out for me to stop.

POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH AT 2020-02-12 01:31 PM | REPLY

With what?? An overgrown wart??

#78 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-12 02:01 PM | Reply

You think they'll impeach Trump yet? Maybe later this week?

#76 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:00 P

March, 2021, provided Trump's still in office and we take the Senate. Impeached, convicted, removed, prosecuted, jailed.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:02 PM | Reply

Trump repeating and supporting Russian propaganda.
I think Putin beats his meat to that everyday.
#73 | Posted by Zed

Hilarity ensues.

#80 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:04 PM | Reply

#77 I will vehemently oppose Trump if he defies a court order, Zed.

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 02:05 PM | Reply

March, 2021, provided Trump's still in office and we take the Senate. Impeached, convicted, removed, prosecuted, jailed.

#79 | Posted by Zed

Lube it, buddy. Next time I'll come with you.

#82 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:05 PM | Reply

With what?? An overgrown wart??

#78 | Posted by LauraMohr

HMU

#83 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:06 PM | Reply

Next time I'll come with you.

#82 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:05 PM | Reply

Now that sounds disgusting.

#84 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:07 PM | Reply

You've chosen the fascist side, JEFF. Everything you post has become so many flares to distract from that.
#77 | Posted by Zed

facts = "flares"

Brave new world you are living in Zed.

Good God.

LOL

#85 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:08 PM | Reply

Liu did anything wrong other than go hard on Flynn
#59 | Posted by Sycophant
You obviously haven't seen the long list of exculpatory evidence she excluded from the court.
You know she says they lost the original Flynn FBI interview notes, aka the Flynn 302? She submitted only a draft that Strozk and Page concocted months later.
It goes on and on, baby.
#68 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

The exculpatory evidence turned out not to be exculpatory. The supposed "exculpatory evidence" has nothing to do with Flynn lying to the FBI. And the Defense can't even explain why its exculpatory.
lawandcrime.com

And lost interview notes? You are talking about the original un-edited copies before grammar and spelling was fixed and the agent's names were corrected. (They had the agent's names backwards). I'm SURE that was all Liu and it made a huge difference...which again the Defense can't explain why it does.

There is literally nothing here that Liu did wrong...again.

Flynn pled guilty.

But I guess this is why you post without sources. That way you can lie and everyone else has to do the dirty work of proving you wrong.

But hey, if you're right, all of this was out in November and before. And Trump STILL appointed her in December.

You're a waste of time on the Drudge. You're more useless than Sniper.

#86 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#77 I will vehemently oppose Trump if he defies a court order, Zed.

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-1

That's great, JEFF. It's too bad we've already travelled down this road so far. When, not if, Trump defies a Court order it will be because he thinks he can get away with it.

SAWDUST wants him to get a way with it.

#87 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:08 PM | Reply

facts = "flares"

#85 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 20

You didn't understand what you read, you ignorant ----.

#88 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:09 PM | Reply

Next time I'll come with you.
#82 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:05 PM | Reply

Now that sounds disgusting.
#84 | Posted by Zed

Yes!

You'll come again, though.

#89 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:09 PM | Reply

facts = "flares"

#85 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 20

You didn't understand what you read, you ignorant slug (sic).

#88 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12

#90 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:12 PM | Reply

You didn't understand what you read, you ignorant ----.
#88 | Posted by Zed

Zed,

I would have thought by now that you know that not only am I extremely well read but that my comprehension is excellent as well.

Have you confused me with a fellow Retorter?

Fondly,

'Notch

#91 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:12 PM | Reply

Let's pose the question:

When, not if, Trump defies a Court order, does SAWDUST support that?

#92 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:13 PM | Reply

I would have thought by now that you know that not only am I extremely well read but that my comprehension is excellent as well.

#91 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's really yet to come through.

#93 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:14 PM | Reply

Flynn pled guilty.

#86 | Posted by Sycophant

You know I know that.

Are you aware of the debacle his sentencing has become?

#94 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:14 PM | Reply

"When, not if, Trump defies a Court order, does SAWDUST support that?"

Answering the question would help the rest of us cut to a lot of chases.

#95 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:14 PM | Reply

Are you aware of the debacle his sentencing has become?

#94 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 202

Because....?

#96 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:15 PM | Reply

"When, not if, Trump defies a Court order, does SAWDUST support that?"

You get three chances to answer, SAWDUST, or you're a fascist by default. This is three.

#97 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:16 PM | Reply

"He did not indicate the warrants were improperly obtained but that they were based on thin suspicion and some facts were made to appear more supportive than they might have been."

In other words: lies.

#98 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-02-12 02:17 PM | Reply

I would have thought by now that you know that not only am I extremely well read but that my comprehension is excellent as well.
#91 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's really yet to come through.
#93 | Posted by Zed

Such *inanity* from you is no surprise.

Look no further than your poorly constructed straw man query in #92.

I pegged you long ago.

#99 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:18 PM | Reply

In other words: lies.

#98 | Posted by visitor_ at

I hear the latest Trumpian line is that it's OK to lie to liars.

You on board?

#100 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:18 PM | Reply

I pegged you long ago.

#99 | Posted by DixvilleN

You mean you'd like to peg me.

Kisses, honey.

#101 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:19 PM | Reply

You get three chances to answer, SAWDUST, or you're a fascist by default. This is three.

#97 | Posted by Zed

Breathtaking premise!

The simplicity!

#102 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:19 PM | Reply

You missed your chance, SAWDUST. You're SAWDUST the Fascist from this point on. Or would you prefer the term "neo-fascist".

#103 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:20 PM | Reply

No, really, SAWDUST. I accept that you're an educated man. Well read, no doubt.

It's just that it all doesn't seem to have amounted to all that much.

#104 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-12 02:22 PM | Reply

I pegged you long ago.
#99 | Posted by DixvilleN

You mean you'd like to peg me.
Kisses, honey.
#101 | Posted by Zed

I mean no such thing, dirty boi.

You weren't that good.

I'll not peg you again.

But I have pegged you right proper.

#105 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:22 PM | Reply

You missed your chance, SAWDUST. You're SAWDUST the Fascist from this point on. Or would you prefer the term "neo-fascist".
#103 | Posted by Zed

What's next, Zed? Diaper play?

#106 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:23 PM | Reply

So, I've introduced Liu's predicament to the conversation, along FISA falsifications and the Flynn sentencing debacle.

My *humble work* here is through.

I thank you for your time.

#107 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 02:26 PM | Reply

9 years for Stone struck me as excessive.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 02:41 PM | Reply

9 years for Stone struck me as excessive.
#108 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Jeff has a soft spot in his heart for Republican criminals.

If only Stone was a democrat. Then Jeff would be furious he didn't get more time.

#109 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 02:52 PM | Reply

False premise, a Democrat would never have been prosecuted.

#110 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-02-12 02:58 PM | Reply

Do you know what Proof is?
#55 | Posted by Sycophant
Dude, read the stories!
Confucius say: Open mind at least as wide as ----.
Your mind:---- ratio has gotten sloppy.
Hang loose, bruthah!
#57 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

You simps call people fascists while clustering on a board that won't let you say "----."

Uranuses.

ROTFLMAO

#111 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 03:03 PM | Reply

say "----."
#111 | POSTED BY DIXinASSES

Thank God that restraining order forces you to stay 500 yards away from schools and parks.

#112 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-12 03:12 PM | Reply

Ok, give Stone the 7-9 but make damn sure you hold Brennon, Clapper and Comey to the same standards. They broke more laws than Stone.
#6 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2020-02-12 09:53 AM | REPLY | FLAG:
How about indictments, trials, and convictions before sentencing?

#9 | POSTED BY ANTON AT 2020-02-12 09:57 AM | FLAG:
They are coming.
#14 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2020-02-12 10:16 AM |

Just like QAnon, right?

#113 | Posted by e1g1 at 2020-02-12 03:13 PM | Reply

Jeff has a soft spot in his heart for Republican criminals.
If only Stone was a democrat. Then Jeff would be furious he didn't get more time.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-02-12 02:52 PM | REPLY

Yeppers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeff is as transparent as Muscovite.

#114 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-12 03:17 PM | Reply

Laura,

Your obsession with me is getting creepy.

#115 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-12 03:19 PM | Reply

So, I've introduced Liu's predicament to the conversation, along FISA falsifications and the Flynn sentencing debacle.
My *humble work* here is through.
I thank you for your time.

#107 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

You lied about 3 different topics.
1. Still no evidence on Liu
2. Still no evidence the FISA warrants were falsified
3. And the Flynn debacle is a last ditch effort by his attorney that is going no where

Your work here is done. You've lied enough for today. Go crawl back to 4Chan to write about your Trump Romantic Fan Fiction.

#116 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-12 03:25 PM | Reply

Laura,
Your obsession with me is getting creepy.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2020-02-12 03:19 PM | REPLY

Says the guy who posted Anti trans threads ad nauseum. You have some nerve attacking me for accurately describing you to a T.

#117 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-12 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

say "----."
#111 | POSTED BY DIXinASSES
Thank God that restraining order forces you to stay 500 yards away from schools and parks.
#112 | Posted by ClownShack

Let's live a little! Say it with me, Shackie!

----

#118 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-12 03:59 PM | Reply

9 years for Stone struck me as excessive.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ

Based on your extensive experience with the law?

#119 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-12 04:07 PM | Reply

Every time I come to this site, I swear there is no poster more stupid that Ima Goldbrickski, then Hixville turns up and says "Here comrade, hold my vodka" and starts posting absolute fever dream trash from 4Chan.

"Not a single mention of disgraced prosecutor Jessie Liu in this whole thread.
You'll hear a lot about her if you ever *leave the chamber*.
LOL
#43 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH"

I hate to tell you dummy but Jellie Liu is a Republican, she is from your own party! She was made the USA for DC by DOTARD in 2017. Barr wanted her to be #3 at DOJ, but her nomination to that spot was shot down by the hard-core anti-choice Reich because she was not sufficiently an anti-choice zealot. Barr even had a screaming match with Mike Lee over Liu's nomination. I'm sure Diaper Donnie pulled her most recent nomination because he's upset with the fact that she did her job and prosecuted criminal Drumpf Regime henchmen Roger Stone and Mike Flynn in opposition to the wishes of the criminal con-man in the WH. Cult45 needs to expand where they get their news, 4Chan will rot your tiny minds, much like untreated Syphilis has rotted the impotent little brain of your cult leader!

#120 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-02-12 05:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Any offers for my signed Roger Stone Trump book? Not joking!

#121 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2020-02-13 06:44 AM | Reply

9 years is a long time for a non-violent crime.

#122 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-02-13 07:44 AM | Reply

9 years is a long time for a non-violent crime.

#122 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-02-

You mean Stone didn't quite get to a Molotov cocktail to burn down democracy.

#123 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-13 08:02 AM | Reply

9 years is a long time for a non-violent crime.

#122 | Posted by visitor_ from_another_planet

Wrong. As usual. Mandatory Sentencing for repeat offenders locks up people for decades.
Most drug crimes are non violent and self inflicted and some even have bigger sentences than 9 years. A repeat offender (an addict) could even get a life sentence without parole.

Thanks to Obama though "a total of 1,715 individuals convicted of a drug offense received commutations of their sentences, almost all of whom had been sentenced under mandatory provisions of drug law generally requiring decades of incarceration. Nearly a third were sentenced to life without parole for a repeat drug offense. "

Source: www.sentencingproject.org

White collar crimes tend to hurt a lot of people financially. But you never know. Maybe Trump will pardon a thousand white collar criminals just to troll the liberals.

#124 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-13 10:23 AM | Reply

9 years is a long time for a non-violent crime.

The right is filled with this idiocy today. So totally unaware and ignorant. All because that orange ----- in the WH tweeted out the same equally and dismally stupid "point."

#125 | Posted by YAV at 2020-02-13 10:41 AM | Reply

Not a statement of fact, an opinion that I believe is shared by many. Nine years is a long time for a non-violent crime.

#126 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-02-13 11:40 AM | Reply

Aaaand Prosecutor Liu resigned yesterday.

#127 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-13 12:25 PM | Reply

BTW, thread headline is inaccurate.

Congratulating is different from thanking.

*Comprehension*

#128 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2020-02-13 12:27 PM | Reply

Not a statement of fact, an opinion that I believe is shared by many. Nine years is a long time for a non-violent crime.

#126 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Why?

Did Bernie Maddoff deserves a year or two for stealing $100s of millions?

#129 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-13 12:30 PM | Reply

#129

How many people suffered due to Stone's crime? Now do Madoff. We're talking apples and pumpkins here.

Also,9 years for the very same crime that McCabe committed?

That clown hasn't even been charged. Instead he writes a book and gets a cushy gig on CNN.

#130 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-13 01:00 PM | Reply

Aaaand Prosecutor Liu resigned yesterday.

That's how wretched and corrupt Trump is.

Amazing.

#131 | Posted by YAV at 2020-02-13 04:35 PM | Reply

witness intimidation is apparently now "non violent" in right wing bizarro land.

i'm ashamed and embarrassed FOR you lot.

#132 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-02-13 08:28 PM | Reply

The FBI/DOJ found the time to convict Roger Stone....

But they can't find the time to locate Huma Abedin's laptop.

Or Hillary Clinton's emails.

Or Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile associates.

The list goes on and on.

#133 | Posted by mutant at 2020-02-13 10:29 PM | Reply

Dude, that's a brilliant insight into the mind of the Deplorable:

"Hillary Clinton, with the Laptop, in the Jail Cell!"

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-13 10:39 PM | Reply

The irony is that the sentencing guidelines which were used to come up with the 'severe' recommendation of 7 to 9 years for Roger Stone, those guidelines were written, at the direct orders of one Donald J. Trump, who demanded that convicted criminals get the maximum possible jail time. If they had used the guidelines which had been in place when Trump came to office, guidelines written under the Obama administration, they would have produced a much lighter recommendation. Karma is a bitch...

OCU

#135 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-02-14 12:11 AM | Reply

I am trying to find out what exactly Stone did to merit his charges. It is easy to find out what the charges are but the substance is elusive. What bothered me from the onset is the early morning arrest. More than 30 heavily armed police raiding the home of an unarmed 70 year old man with a deaf wife about the same age seems excessive. There was no danger of evidence being destroyed, Stone has been under intense surveillance for more than a year. They has already had a copy of every phone call and text message he had sent or received, every cent he had spent or earned or was given. I can think of lobbyist with much more questionable activities than Stone.

#136 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-14 02:49 AM | Reply

A jury of his peers convicted him on seven counts.

However, in the end, it really doesn't make any difference as Trump is going pardon him after the elections, one way or the other.

OCU

#137 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-02-14 10:55 AM | Reply

#137 | Posted by OCUser It has now been relieved that the jury foreman,(woman) was a Democrat activist, and she lied to get on that jury. That would be grounds for a mistrial in the real world.

#138 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-15 09:21 AM | Reply

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