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After last Friday's Democratic debate, Chris Matthews waxed apoplectic about what electing a socialist could mean for America. "I have an attitude towards [Fidel] Castro," he said. "I believe if Castro and the Reds had won the Cold War there would have been executions in Central Park, and I might have been one of the ones getting executed. And certain other people would be there cheering, OK?" Matthews's colleagues pointed out that Sanders was more of a Danish type of socialist than a Castro type of socialist, but to little avail.

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When Hillary said "No one like Bernie"...

She had MSNBC in mind...

Two days later, James Carville, Bill Clinton's former campaign guru, went on Morning Joe to rant about how a Sanders nomination would bring about the apocalypse. Literally. "The only thing between the United States and the abyss is the Democratic Party," he said. "That's it. If we go the way of the British Labour Party, if we nominate Jeremy Corbyn, it's going to be the end of days." The same day, Chuck Todd, who also hosts NBC's Meet the Press, read from an article from the right-wing website The Bulwark comparing supporters of Sanders, who is Jewish, to "brownshirts." ~ FTA

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-13 02:17 AM | Reply

Strange ...

This is not a new phenomenon. An analysis by In These Times found that Sanders "received not only the least total coverage (less than one-third of Biden's), but the most negative" coverage on MSNBC's prime-time programming. ~ FTA

Certainly can't be "most negative" relative to Trump ...

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-13 02:24 AM | Reply

WATCH: A New Hampshire voter tells @AriMelber why the "stop Bernie cynicism" from commentators on @MSNBC made her "angry enough" to vote for Senator Bernie Sanders.
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#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-13 02:26 AM | Reply

If Bernie got the nom, Snoofy would vote for Jill Stein.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-02-13 03:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Using Chris Matthews or Chuck Todd as the face of the Democratic Party today is ridiculous. Those guys are yesterday's news, irrelevant. Does anyone watch either of them? Sunday morning found us, at my house, watching "Curb Your Enthusiasm" instead of any of the Sunday morning taking head shows.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-13 08:59 AM | Reply

Dems having a problem with MSNBC? IMHO, it's more like MSNBC is having a problem with Dems who just don't care what the pundits say. It's refreshing to see politicians leading rather than just following the polls.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-13 10:22 AM | Reply

The current condition of the Democratic Party leaves you feeling "refreshed"?

LOL.

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-02-13 11:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's not just MSNBC though they may be the most brazen about it. Even PBS is guilty.

#8 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-13 11:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Those guys are yesterday's news, irrelevant."

People in your age bracket generally still take them seriously.

#9 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-13 11:15 AM | Reply

"People in your age bracket generally still take them seriously."

I can honestly say I never watch them, haven't for years. I don't even get MSNBC. Those guys were too annoying years ago, I can't imagine what they are like today. I do miss Rachel Maddow and a few others though.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-13 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

'The current condition of the Democratic Party leaves you feeling "refreshed"?"

At least the Dems are on the right side of history. M4All is coming, sooner or later, it's coming, like it or not, it's still coming. Republicans are, once again, trying to hold back the tidal wave of progress. They will ultimately fail, as they always do. Progress in America is slow but steady and relentless. I remember telling this site that gay marriage would happen and that it would happen much faster than anyone expected. Now it's taken for granted.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-13 11:27 AM | Reply

--the right side of history.

Hahahaha. Always get a good laugh from that pretentious, leftist cliche.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-13 11:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bernie would as big a shock to certain segments of the American population as Trump has been to other segments.

#13 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-13 11:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At least the Dems are on the right side of history.

Which ones?

M4All is coming, sooner or later, it's coming, like it or not, it's still coming.

It will be a disaster, your heart is in the right place.

What you can't say, but you must do in order for this to be even marginally successful is government-run hospitals/doctors/nurses.

Its your only hope. We will get there, and we will spend a fortune until then.

Go tell the "deficits are unsustainable" Democrats on the other thread your pipe dreams.

#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-13 11:46 AM | Reply

#13 | POSTED BY MODER8

I don't think so. I think Bernie is an ideologue, Trump isn't he's pragmatic.

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-13 11:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

-At least the Dems are on the right side of history.

on some issues, yes. same sex marriage is a good example. How about civil rights? LOL

But not on M4A. Not yet anyway. Just because the GOP is against it doesn't mean the dems are on the right (correct) side of the issue.

The democratic party can't say that yet. Obamacare exists instead of M4A NOT because the GOP was against it but because they themselves weren't for M4A.

IOW, you can credit the democratic party for being on the right side of that issue, AFTER we pass M4A or at least formally propose a M4A solution and, as a party, try to push it through. Which they haven't done yet. Campaigning and promise making in a primary doesn't count for ----.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2020-02-13 11:51 AM | Reply

Your next commander in chief.

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#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-13 11:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Hahahaha. Always get a good laugh from that pretentious, leftist cliche."

OK Nulli, tell me what goal of the Democrats have we failed to achieve eventually? I can't tell you exactly when M4All will be in place but I predict it will be much faster than you think. Republicans will pass big tax cuts for the 1% to make it appear that we can't afford it but you'll see, we are relentless and, sooner or later, like it or not, M4All is coming. Economically, the nation simply can't afford to not enact it. I read all the scary figures quoted by opponents but, did you ever notice they never mention how much we are spending right now for healthcare, M4All saves a huge amount of money over what we currently spend on healthcare. Republicans don't want us asking how much we are now spending because the answer then becomes too obvious.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-13 11:52 AM | Reply

"IOW, you can credit the democratic party for being on the right side of that issue, AFTER we pass M4A or at least formally propose a M4A solution and, as a party, try to push it through. Which they haven't done yet. Campaigning and promise making in a primary doesn't count for ----."

Change takes politicians willing to stick their necks out, we have more of them running for President right now than any time in my lifetime. We should have had this battle back in the 1960's but I guess we had other priorities which, rightly, took our attention. If Americans reject cynicism and just listen to the proposals being made and the benefits which will accrue to them and their families, it's a "no brainer." I honestly don't get the politicians who are counselling us to be slow down, slow down for what? Another generation to face bankruptcies because they got sick? Hell no!

#19 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-13 11:57 AM | Reply

Bernie has a Bernie problem.

Look, I get it. After Trump's shocking victory I guess anybody can win. What was so shocking about Trump wasn't his policies though, it was (and still is) his personality. He's a loathsome creature.

Sanders isn't loathsome, which is an advantage for him. His policies are his problem. They are seen as radical by much of middle America. And he really can't move to the middle. The best he can do is, as LOD suggested, pick a moderate VEEP. That's it.

Barring an extremely lucky political event, I see him losing in a landslide if he's the nominee.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-13 12:02 PM | Reply

Danni,

If Sanders campaigns hard on single payer he's going to lose. A public option gets you there, or close to it, over time. He'd be smart to campaign on that, but I doubt he will.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-13 12:03 PM | Reply

tell me what goal of the Democrats have we failed to achieve eventually?

I can't think of one that was a success. The WarOnPoverty was a disaster.

Civil rights have become overextended, to the point of absurdity.

Democrats judge by the color of their skin by the government. The exact opposite of what the CivilRights movement was about.

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-13 12:08 PM | Reply

Mattress,do you even believe half the $&1+ you post or is it all troll,all the time? Between you and nullifidian it's like "springtime for Hitler" around here. Why don't you move to the new Poland and get down with the REAL white authoritarians. most of your "views" are a curse on any democratic society.

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-13 01:29 PM | Reply

"At least the Dems are on the right side of history."

The Dems are.

The Democratic Socialists...not so much. No more than their predecessors; Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot.

There were some who meant well...but most were like you. Cruel, jealous people unable to reconcile the fact that society valued them less than they valued themselves. And even less willing to do anything about it.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-13 01:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#24

Denying reality and accepting popular rwing memes doesn't help your case... think 'social democracy', because that's where Sanders stands, as did FDR.

www.theatlantic.com

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#25 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-13 01:40 PM | Reply

Why don't you move to the new Poland and get down with the REAL white authoritarians. most of your "views" are a curse on any democratic society.
#23 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

You don't understand my "views"

I don't define people by their identity, I don't classify their capabilities to get into college, or a job, by the color of their skin, their gneder or their sexual preferences.

You don't seem to understand what's happening, but you will.

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-13 01:44 PM | Reply

"If Sanders campaigns hard on single payer he's going to lose. A public option gets you there, or close to it, over time."

Unless it crushed people with new taxes, I don't think anyone is going to care if there is a public option available for people to buy in to. But like Trump, Bernie doesn't compromise. Not with his party (which he really doesn't have), not with his adversaries, and not with the American public.

The way to make a public option work is to introduce it to willing volunteers. I know that I could care less about the success or failure of insurance companies. If I could get the same level of timeliness and quality in a government plan for less money, I'd take it in a heartbeat. But what I won't do is willingly give up quality and timeliness at a given price point in order to subsidize someone else.

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-13 01:45 PM | Reply

"Denying reality"

The stop denying reality. FDR didn't honeymoon in the USSR. Bernie did. FDR didn't travel to Nicaragua, simultaneously praising the Communist regime while criticizing a government of which he was a member. Did FDR threaten to nationalize key industries? He may have done that...I can't say. But I can say Bernie did.

Furthermore, FDR went to great lengths to reassure the American people he was not a socialist. Bernie has done just the opposite. And he could have coined himself a Social Democrat...he didn't.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-13 01:50 PM | Reply

--he could have coined himself a Social Democrat...he didn't.

And that would have been accurate. But he decided to be cool and edgy and call himself a socialist. And it will cost hime the election if he's the nominee.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-13 01:57 PM | Reply

#28

And you didn't read the articles posted to you.

This isn't about what Bernie did 50 years ago, you might want to get over that. It's about continuing the kind of progressive social and economic policy that FDR got elected for several times, and is as American as apple pie.

And Bernie is a stubborn, bombastic old fart who prolly should have coined himself a social democrat.

Bernis isn't FDR, but his policies.... actually most Dem policies, are of that heritage. Bernie is just the one shouting about it the loudest. I, obviously, preferred a more stepped approach to accomplishing those policies in the last primary.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-13 01:59 PM | Reply

Proof that Democrats fear reform more than failure.

#31 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-02-13 02:48 PM | Reply

"This isn't about what Bernie did 50 years ago, you might want to get over that."

Kind of like getting over the fact that David Duke was a member of the KKK?

He ran as a Democrat? Would you vote for him if it meant getting rid of Trump?

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-13 03:23 PM | Reply

"Proof that Democrats fear reform more than failure."

I guess you'll need to explain what needs reforming within the Democratic Party. With a few slight exceptions, I see them as being consistent in their platforms over an extended period of time. From my vantage point, it seems more like a small but incredibly loud segment of the party is demanding that they enact radical changes. But to what end, if the average Democratic party member is happy with the scope of the party? Maybe those that are unhappy should pitch out and start their own party.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-13 03:26 PM | Reply

#32 |

lmao.... the very idea that Bernie is in any way comparable to David Duke... who is still now today a white supremacist racist, is a reactionary, shallow, ludicrous, and obviously indefensible position.

You can do better.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-13 03:30 PM | Reply

It's inaccurate to say Bernie has an MSNBC problem. Chris Matthews may not be feeling The Bern, but Chris Hayes does and has since 2016.

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-13 04:04 PM | Reply

" It's inaccurate to say Bernie has an MSNBC problem. Chris Matthews may not be feeling The Bern, but Chris Hayes does and has since 2016."

No it's not inaccurate. That's only one out of five of the nightly time slots and the daytime shows are unanimous in their desire for Bernie not to win the nomination.

#36 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-13 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#35 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I disagree ... from the twitter post above with the video of the actual quote.

A New Hampshire voter tells @AriMelber why the "stop Bernie cynicism" from commentators on @MSNBC made her "angry enough" to vote for Senator Bernie Sanders.

#37 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-13 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

CNN and MSNBC: Sanders loses to hypothetical Megazord made up of moderates.
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#38 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-13 08:27 PM | Reply

I saw that clip on Ari's show the other night. Ari himself is pro-Bernie from what I can tell. James Carville was on the network saying Bernie can't win, but Carville was a guest and doesn't work for MSNBC. I've seen Michael Moore interviewed countless times by various hosts. Ditto Nina Turner.

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-14 12:01 AM | Reply

The only daytime show I watch is Nicole Wallace, and her focus is mainly on Trump. When she discuss Dem candidates, I'd say she's pretty neutral.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-14 12:09 AM | Reply

Democratic Socialist predecessors; Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot?

I see you're still a FHKING idiot

#41 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2020-02-14 03:57 AM | Reply

There are several versions of Democratic Socialism. This version sounds close to what Bernie is promoting.

Democratic Socialism vs. Socialism

"Both democratic socialism and socialism advocate for a redistribution of wealth and power to meet public needs, not make profits for a few. Both aim to weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of the working people.

Democratic socialists, however, do not think the government should immediately take control of all aspects of the economy. Democratic socialism focuses more on providing basic needs to all people, such as health care and education. Democratic socialism, unlike socialism, would achieve this through democratic means and not an authoritarian rule."

However the word "socialism" scares the bejeebes out of people probably because "socialism" can also be applied to less lofty goals by less lofty people, depending on who's running the show.

Also, Bernie neglects to point out the cons to Democratic Socialism which are buried deep in the fine print. There doesn't seem to be any permanency to the concept which would wreak havoc in the economic stability of a country with as many commitments around the world as the United States, especially militarily.

While this concept does not advocate "authoritarian rule" (at least not immediately), the opportunity always lies just beneath the surface.

As always, when contemplating voting for any major change, READ THE FINE PRINT.

#42 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-02-14 05:25 AM | Reply

Corky, for someone who's face was so firmly planted up Hillary's wrinkled bike seat that you could have worn her arsecheeks for ears, you certainly seem willing to defy her in your defense of an old, unlikeable communist she loathes.

#43 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-14 09:45 AM | Reply

#26 Fair enough. You were not clear in your post. I do agree that the Dems haves taken this identity crap too far. I also agree that college admissions and the allocation of other finite resources should be "colorblind" or standards of excellence will suffer.
That being said,Bernie is primarily an economic thinker. I don't think he cares about the identity stuff as much as economic issues. So that whole argument about HIM is mostly bullschitt. And more to the point, I think You know that.

#44 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-14 11:57 AM | Reply

#42 Trump is blatantly authoritarian,why no concern about that? Bernie Might become authoritarian in the future and your panties are in a bunch? Double standard, much?

#45 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-14 12:01 PM | Reply

Trump is blatantly authoritarian,why no concern about that?

How so? What has he done different than any other president?

Put people in concentration camps like FDR?

Used the IRS/FBI like Kennedy?

Tell me in what ways has Trump been authoritarian?

Bernie Might become authoritarian

Someone that claims they are going to sign of EO is not a "Might" ... it is ..

We Cannot Accept Delays from Congress'
www.nationalreview.com

Sounds like the Democrats on impeachment, "we cannot wait for the courts to decide on the subpoenas"

#46 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-14 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#33 I'm sure that if we had more than two viable parties that is EXACTLY what they would do. Also repubs would likely split into trumpies and never trumpies,so what's your point? Our system is clearly fatally flawed, leaving huge sections of the electorate permanently unrepresented by anyone. I'm sure Thomas Jefferson would be screaming for bloody insurrection about that. Bernie just tries to work within the system as it is. Which is the better choice of action? Huh?

#47 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-14 12:10 PM | Reply

I do agree that the Dems haves taken this identity crap too far.

Its not over ... it will continue

I don't think he cares about the identity stuff as much as economic issues.

Read the EOs that can't wait .. tell me its economic...

#48 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-14 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#46 Trump has repeatly said he may serve more than two terms. Trump has gutted all regulatory oversight by the EPA by EO. Trump has opened federal lands to development by EO. Trump has repeatly said "I can do whatever I want" "I have an article two" I can go on.It seems to me that you aren't holding TRUMP TO THE SAME STANDARD. Because you are a blind partisan and FACTION Trumps everything including reality itself with you.

#49 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-14 12:39 PM | Reply

"#46 Trump has repeatly said he may serve more than two terms."

Bloomberg convinced the NYC legislature to overturn the city's term limits rule to allow him to serve a third term. A change that would only apply to his administration. Trump doesn't have to go that far, he just has to claim the election was fraudulent. He'd probably get a million people to surround the white house to defend him if that happened.

#50 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-14 04:33 PM | Reply

What a dumb@&&, Trump is president not the mayor of a city,that's apples and oranges. I never said I liked Bloomberg anyway.frankly he IS a bit of a douche bag to get the law changed to his benefit. Trump is a would be elective king and you morons love that. Bet you won't if a Dem wins and pulls the same SCHITT. then you'll be screaming for blood. You are tiresome hacks who fail to see any larger picture. Mitt Romney had it right. Trumpism is cancer on American Life. The sooner he is gone the better for us all . Including his deluded followers who are too STUPID to know what a mortal threat he poses to our republic and basic freedoms.

#51 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-14 07:50 PM | Reply

"I see you're still a FHKING idiot"

Did I forget to add Allende, Castro, Chavez...Maduro...

...How racist of me to completely exclude socialist heroes of the western hemisphere. Bernie was closer relationships with them anyways.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-15 09:11 AM | Reply

"Democratic socialists, however, do not think the government should immediately take control of all aspects of the economy."

You mean they're going to wait a few weeks before they take control of all aspects of the economy?

"Democratic socialism, unlike socialism, would achieve this through democratic means and not an authoritarian rule."

You mean by allowing 51% of the population to vote to make the remaining 49% pay their fair share of life? Make no mistake, socialism can be democratic in the literal sense. But unless those that produce the wealth are willing to give it to those who don't, the means of collection will always be authoritarian. And it is that authoritarian aspect that scares people. After all, if the government can legally single out specific and dominate specific demographics, why couldn't they do it to everyone. Also, anyone who has even spent time at a DMV has to ask the question if they want more DMVs in their life.

#53 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-15 09:17 AM | Reply

"#42 Trump is blatantly authoritarian,why no concern about that? Bernie Might become authoritarian in the future and your panties are in a bunch? Double standard, much?"

Bernie has already laid out plans on how he is going to circumvent congress in order to push his agenda. So you can't really get after Trump while being a drooling supporter of Trump's left-wing mirror image.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-15 09:20 AM | Reply

"Democratic socialists, however, do not think the government should immediately take control of all aspects of the economy."

You mean they're going to wait a few weeks before they take control of all aspects of the economy? "

"Democratic" socialism is the transitional phase between capitalism and full-blown Marxian socialism. It's a trojan horse for the real deal.

#55 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-15 10:09 AM | Reply

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