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Wednesday, February 19, 2020

A bill that would effectively decriminalize polygamy and dispel fears of prosecution for plural marriage among consenting adults sailed through the Utah Senate on Tuesday. Sen. Deidre Henderson's bill would reclassify bigamy as an infraction, codifying the practice of the Utah attorney general's office not to prosecute otherwise law-abiding polygamists.

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Utah was admitted to the Union on the condition of no more of this sh--.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-19 11:33 AM | Reply

Good good.

#2 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-02-19 11:37 AM | Reply

I swear we had a protracted discussion of "the slippery slope" not more than a few years ago wherein some of the more prescient members of the DR predicted this would happen.

#3 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-19 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I swear we had a protracted discussion of "the slippery slope"

The slippery slope of Mormonism?

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-19 12:22 PM | Reply

Why is this a bad thing? I bet Jonathan Turley doesn't think it is:

Turley has advocated in the past in favor of polygamy. In April 2016, he argued a case in favor of the stars of TLC's "Sister Wives program. The star of the show, Kody Brown, had been accused of violating Utah's bigamy laws as he was married to four different women.

Turley wrote on his blog at the time that the state of Utah had been founded by "courageous people" who were seeking protection from "government abuse and religious inequality."

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#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-19 12:22 PM | Reply

Why should polygamy be criminalized anymore than any other form of marriage?

#6 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-19 01:19 PM | Reply

Utah lawmakers get tough on porn, ease up on polygamy
Utah lawmakers have voted to put new regulations on pornography and remove some on polygamy in separate proposals moving quickly through the Legislature

abcnews.go.com

Apparently if one can have multiple spouses, then one no longer needs lots of porn, rofl.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-19 01:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And I thought it was the gheys that would destroy marriage.

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-02-19 01:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#4 I think the discussion was about the definition of marriage, and someone predicted that once gay marriage had become a "norm", the next group to try would be polygamists, followed by pedophiles and people who love their animals WAY too much.

#9 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-19 02:33 PM | Reply

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I recall all of those same discussions.
The slippery slope is real, yo.

#10 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2020-02-19 02:37 PM | Reply

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#4 I think the discussion was about the definition of marriage, and someone predicted that once gay marriage had become a "norm", the next group to try would be polygamists, followed by pedophiles and people who love their animals WAY too much.
#9 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

Yes, the slippery slope argument was (clearly) thrown about ad nauseum. Yet, nobody (AND I MEAN NOBODY) was able to backup said argument with evidence that gay marriage (or homosexual cohabitation) possesses, in any way, similar levels of potential harm to others as polygamy, pedophilia, or ----------; making the slippery slope argument entirely illegitimate within the debate.

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-19 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sharia Law has come to Utah!
#MAGA

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-19 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I think the discussion was about the definition of marriage, and someone predicted that once gay marriage had become a "norm", the next group to try would be polygamists

One has nothing to do with the other.

Polygamy has been part of mormonism for ever and has been a de facto practice for many of them since the inception of the religion.

I don't foresee many states, other than possibly Idaho, following Utah's lead.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-19 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anyone with multiple wives must be nuts. Getting jailed would be a vacation.

#14 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-02-19 03:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#13 You're assuming the practice will be limited to Mormons. I think we'll see interest from states with a large Muslim population sooner than later...Michigan, Minnesota...followed by states where polyamorous relationships are trending. California will allow it as soon as they realize it moves married families into a higher tax bracket when there are 6 breadwinners.

#15 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-19 03:32 PM | Reply

"similar levels of potential harm to others as polygamy"

What exactly would that be?

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-02-19 03:36 PM | Reply

I know little about this practice but I've always believed polygamy was rampant with these men who basically enslaved young women, including young girls as their wife.

IOW, pedophilia was very present with this practice. I wouldn't have thought polygamy was this openly accepted, even in Utah.

#17 | Posted by eberly at 2020-02-19 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What exactly would that be?
#16 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You sincerely don't know?

www.google.com

Take your pick.

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-19 03:57 PM | Reply

#15 | Posted by MUSTANG

If this becomes law, I think you may see a lot of Muslims move to Utah but I don't see it following in these states.

#19 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-02-19 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just get the gov out of marriage. Let people do as they please.

Wipe all "marriage" stuff out of the law books.

People enter into contracts. Everyone has a prenup/agreement/contract.

They can have whatever ceremony they desire and enter into contracts with as many as they desire.

#20 | Posted by sawdust at 2020-02-19 05:14 PM | Reply

WTF???? Kick them out of the union! Utah, we welcome crazy.

#21 | Posted by zelkova at 2020-02-19 06:03 PM | Reply

They really didn't touch "marriage". There will still only be one legal "spouse"; all Utah did was decide to not prosecute play-acting.

The "second wife", for example, has NONE of the protections or the rights of the actual wife. Marriage, at its legal root, is a conferring of superseding rights to one person. By definition, polygamy would require an entire new canon of laws dealing with proportional rights.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-02-19 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I think if this thread has taught me anything, its Mustang wants a second wife.

Possible a couple more too.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-19 06:17 PM | Reply

Possible a couple more too.

I would like the full 4 allowed to me. LOL

One white, one black, one East Asian, and one Pak (some latino will also do). But what we want is never what we get, do we?

Never been to Utah, btw... I am told it's a very pretty place.

#24 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-02-20 12:39 AM | Reply

One white, one black, one East Asian, and one Pak

Unfortunately (for me), in my Hanfi religion, I can't marry a second wife without the written permission of the first one ... and I do not see any modern woman consenting to that. LOL

The third would require written permission from the first two....

Not happening.

Seriously though, the multiple wives thing is just there in Sharia Law in case of stuff like nuclear war with most of your population wiped out. It's a given that most of the dead will be men.

#25 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-02-20 12:43 AM | Reply

#22 | Posted by Danforth

^^ This is newsworthy.

The rest of this conversation is BS.

#26 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-02-20 06:35 AM | Reply

And for anybody that endorses it: the idea of polygamy is primitive, barbaric, and has no place in modern society.

#27 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-02-20 06:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hanfi? So you are admitting you are Muslim? That explains a lot.

#28 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-20 06:43 AM | Reply

So you are admitting you are Brain Damaged? That explains a lot.

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#29 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-02-20 07:56 AM | Reply

So you are admitting you have sexual dysfunction and PTSD? Explains a lot.

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#30 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-02-20 07:58 AM | Reply

So you are admitting you were molested as a child? That explains a lot.

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#31 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-02-20 07:59 AM | Reply

the idea of polygamy is primitive, barbaric, and has no place in modern society.

And yet people like you cheat on their wives all the time. LOL

#32 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-02-20 08:01 AM | Reply

#31 | Posted by J_Tremain, Those are experiences, not choices. You are a Muslim by choice.

#33 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-20 08:52 AM | Reply

I wouldn't be bothered by this if it were just adults marrying, but clear examples like Warren Jeffs and his pack of pedophiles show that what these mormon fundies really want is to rape young girls. That is totally unacceptable.

#34 | Posted by qcp at 2020-02-20 08:53 AM | Reply

#34 FTA:

A bill that would effectively decriminalize polygamy and dispel fears of prosecution for plural marriage among consenting adults sailed through the Utah Senate on Tuesday.

Current Utah law makes polygamy a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. It can be up to 15 years if the defendant is also convicted of fraud, child abuse, sexual abuse, domestic abuse or human smuggling or trafficking.

Henderson's bill would leave intact these enhanced penalties and add a few more crimes under which polygamy would be a felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

Senate Majority Leader Evan Vickers, R-Cedar City, stressed that "the bad actors are still going to be penalized" under Henderson's legislation.

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-20 09:03 AM | Reply

Polygamy is common through out the LDS history, a small minority still practice it. I consider it unwise. Women, not men are more territorial in sex. Unless a woman is completely subjected by men, they would never consent to the competition.
BTW, if the law allows men to marry more than one wife, then the inverse must also be legal. I am sure most women can keep two or more men satisfied sexually. Then how about Polyamory? Just have a group marriage. I wonder how they would file their taxes?

#36 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-20 09:19 AM | Reply

Gal, are you implying that the people who already break the current law with their underage polygamous marriages won't some how be emboldened by this change? I'd argue that if you look at who is currently practicing what this law wants to normalize you'll see exactly why it shouldn't be normalized.

I guess you could argue that since it is currently illegal the only modern examples we see are the worst of the worst, but even if you look at historical plural marriages you see old men marrying and raping young girls. I don't have a care in the world about what adults get up to in their bedrooms, or who or how many they do it with but Utahans (Utahites?) in particular have a pretty bad track record when it comes to this subject.

#37 | Posted by qcp at 2020-02-20 09:28 AM | Reply

#37 I don't know, QCP, I was hoping that the new law would allow for more reporting of underage child abuse, not less. Criminalization of polygamy forces people into the shadows in much the same way cracking down on illegal immigrants has forced illegals into the shadows. Both groups fear the repercussions reporting crimes to the police will have on them, personally. If adult only polygamy is legal, then my hope is that it would be easier for polygamist communities to report underage child abuse without fear of govt retribution and that, in turn, would help prevent young girls from being forced into and then trapped in polygamist marriages.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-20 09:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, of a polygamous family wanted to move to another state would they all still be married? What does this mean for SS survivor benefits of SS disability benefits? I have to wonder if Utah's Legislature has really thought out all of the details about this. I believe deeply that the children of these families, especially the girls, are going to be used as chattel for labor and breeding. The consequences for rejecting the idiotic religious beliefs of Momonism are quite severe, generally the person is shunned by family, friends, etc. for life.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-20 10:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Those are experiences

Experiences that define who you are today.

Broken and crooked.

You are a Muslim by choice.

And I will make the same choice a million times if I have to.

#40 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-02-20 10:17 AM | Reply

#38, You make a good point. We'll see what happens I guess.

#41 | Posted by qcp at 2020-02-20 10:19 AM | Reply

#38

You do realize most of your arguments could be tied directly or indirectly to gay marriage as well, right?

Should we be trying to undo gay marriage? You know, in the interest of the people getting married, the tax collectors, the children, the state, the church, and whatever else.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-20 12:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

See nothing wrong with this as, in our current 'pretty much' anything goes society, where marriage has a very liberal definition. Way back when, lived for a few years in a mnage trois, just did not call it a marriage.

#43 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-02-20 02:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#40 | Posted by J_Tremain, Did you read your Koran yet?

#44 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-20 03:15 PM | Reply

One wife is absolutely enough for me. Why any man would willingly have more than one wife is incomprehensible to me.

#45 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-02-20 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#46 | Posted by eberly at 2020-02-20 05:42 PM | Reply

If you viewed your wife as a possession, it would make sense.
Some people have multiple cars, etc even though they can only use one at a time. Why not wives? Can surely find a way to use more than one at a time, too.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-20 05:48 PM | Reply

Can surely find a way to use more than one at a time, too.

Absolutely.

#48 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2020-02-20 06:06 PM | Reply

While multiple wives (or partners, mistresses whatever) isn't for me, I don't have any problem with polygamy so long as all are consenting ADULTS. Its definitely a weird upbringing for the offspring. Way too culty and creepy. Speaking of kids; the problem is, as Gal_Tuesday points out, a lot of male morman polygamists use their religion to justify pedophilia. Of course, pedophilia is certainly not endemic to mormans.

#49 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-02-20 06:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I don't have any problem with polygamy so long as all are consenting ADULTS."

I see problems.
Legally, when one partner in the polygamy dies, who gets their stuff?
When there are kids, and divorces, are biological connections given priority?
And so on.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-20 11:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Definitely a reason to prevent them from having marriage rights. Just image if they were gay too. The horror.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-21 06:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#50 | Posted by snoofy

Exactly.

None of these pro-polygamy boneheads have given one whit of thought to the tangled web of legal insanity that will ensue.

#52 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-02-21 07:57 AM | Reply

NC decriminalized pot years ago. Still can get arrested for it if the cop feels like it. Still can't buy it or sell it so meh.

Decriminalization is a far cry from legal, especially when there are superseding federal laws.

Still as has been pointed out who gives a F what consenting adults want to do? If this makes it easier to catch the Jeffs of the area good if it makes it easier for the Jeffs then change the law back. Either way quit worrying about other peoples bedroom.

#53 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-02-21 08:05 AM | Reply

Oh fun stuff just looked up Utah marriage age. 18 but 16 with parental consent and 15 with parental consent and juvenile court. Given some of the cult like stuff going on I see a big issue with legal polygamy and the possibility for legal marriage of a 15 year old.

So Utah fix your marriage laws before opening up the polygamy can of worms. I know my states laws are just as bad but we don't allow cults of polygamists so umm winning?

#54 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-02-21 08:19 AM | Reply

#52 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD AT 2020-02-21 07:57 AM | FLAG:

"It's legally complicated"

Perfect reason to curtail marriage rights. What's next? Gay people want to adopt? It's not even their kid! Imagine that custody fight.

#55 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-21 08:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Definitely a reason to prevent them from having marriage rights."

Definitely fails to address the issues raised.

You're smart.

You just don't care enough about their rights to... you know, stand up for them.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-21 11:50 AM | Reply

"Perfect reason to curtail marriage rights. What's next? Gay people want to adopt? It's not even their kid! Imagine that custody fight."

Literally no different than when a "normal" couple wants to adopt.

Maybe you're not so smart, if you couldn't figure that out by yourself.

Either way, it's clear your agenda here is troll the libs; marriage is just a means to that end.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-21 11:53 AM | Reply

"Lost boys" is a term used for young men who have been excommunicated or pressured to leave polygamous Mormon fundamentalist groups such as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS).[1] They are alleged to be pressured to leave by adult men to reduce competition for wives within such sects, usually when they are between the ages of 13 and 21.

en.wikipedia.org

#58 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-21 12:58 PM | Reply

would like the full 4 allowed to me. LOL

One white, one black, one East Asian, and one Pak (some latino will also do). But what we want is never what we get, do we?

Never been to Utah, btw... I am told it's a very pretty place.

#24 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN

When you get out of Salt Lake City it is.

SLC is a creepy polluted S-hole of a city.
The nicest part of SLC is the airport.

Extreme Mormonism is a severe and dangerous cult.
I am not talking about your average Mormon. I'm talking about the TaliBundy and Gavin Seim types. The ones that carry around their extremist bastardized Mormon pocket constitutions and claim they are the real constitution.

#59 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-02-21 01:54 PM | Reply

You just don't care enough about their rights to

#56 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-02-21 11:50 AM | FLAG:

You don't want people to have them, because "it might get complicated legally". Time for you to grow up.

#60 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-21 02:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You don't want people to have them, because "it might get complicated legally"

Not really.
I oppose polygamy for the same reason it's already illegal: The common use of this contract is as a tool to oppress women.

I'm merely pointing out -- even as you pretend that isn't what Mormon men want to do to Mormon women -- it raises unique and unaddressed legal questions.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-21 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're going to free women by not letting some of them consent to a marriage. How brave of you.

It's illegal because of the Edmunds Act, which also prohibited Bigamy and Unlawful Cohabitation. It was a law built specifically to discriminate against Mormons. It's one of the most constitutionally dubious things the feds have passed.

#62 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-21 03:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It was a law built specifically to discriminate against Mormons."

Specifically to protect women from Mormon predators, even.

"It's one of the most constitutionally dubious things the feds have passed."

Then it should be easy to eviscerate in court.
But somehow you can't even do that on the Internet.
Maybe if you actually cared, you'd try!

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-21 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They really didn't touch "marriage". There will still be no legal "spouse"; all Utah did was decide to not prosecute play-acting.

The "spouse", for example, has NONE of the protections or the rights of the actual spouse.

Wow. The hypocrisy and lack of self awareness here is astounding.

#64 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-02-21 04:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"None of these pro-polygamy boneheads have given one whit of thought to the tangled web of legal insanity that will ensue."

ZOMG. Dogs will be marrying cats AND mice!

#65 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-02-21 04:42 PM | Reply

"I oppose polygamy for the same reason it's already illegal: The common use of this contract is as a tool to oppress women."

So basically the same pretense some people use who want to out Islam.

And to protect the children, of course.

#66 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-02-21 04:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

*outlaw

#67 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-02-21 04:48 PM | Reply

"And to protect the children, of course."

Looks like you figured out who the polygamist Mormon males are marrying: underage girls.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-21 05:01 PM | Reply

"Looks like you figured out who a subset of gay males (like Kevin Spacey and Dennis Hastert) are having relations with: underage boys."

That's no excuse for what you're advocating.

#69 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-02-21 07:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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