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Saturday, February 22, 2020

President Donald Trump has officially granted the Department of Defense the legal authority to abolish the collective bargaining rights of its civilian labor unions representing some 750,000 workers. Gutting the unions would provide "maximum flexibility," Trump wrote in a memo published Thursday in the Federal Register, which was first reported by Government Executive. Trump signed the memo three weeks ago, invoking "national security" to justify granting the Defense Department an exemption from the law giving all federal workers the right to unionize.

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Wasn't Trump supposed to be the champion of the working class? How does stripping the collective bargaining rights of 750,000 Americans, standing up for workers? And he's trying to do this with the stroke of a pen. What's next, declaring marshal law and postponing the elections?

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#1 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-02-21 07:23 PM | Reply

In Trump World, "national security" is all about taking away Americans' security.

#2 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-02-21 07:36 PM | Reply

Trump/Prison 2020

#3 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-02-21 08:23 PM | Reply

I'm hoping there's a lawsuit locked and loaded on this.

National security. What a joke this guy and his supporters are.

"C-c-conservatives" have become little more than skidmarks in the underwear of the US.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-21 08:38 PM | Reply

Dudes a Hitler,the real Hitler banned labor unions ALTOGETHER. Trump is following his playbook here.

#5 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-22 12:47 AM | Reply

Hence the reason I often refer to him as Orange Adolf.

#6 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-02-22 03:02 AM | Reply

There will be no need for unions if a dem is elected. Gone will be Cadillac healthcare, replaced with Medicare for all. Gone will be wage bargaining rights replaced with government dictated wages. BFD.

#7 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-02-22 09:54 AM | Reply

"Gone will be wage bargaining rights replaced with government dictated wages. BFD."

we do need a new flag, one for just dangerously stupid. But hey, Trump loves the poorly educated, I'm pretty sure that is the moment Gracie fell in love with him.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-22 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hence the reason I refer to him as Orange Hitler. No apologies for that.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-22 10:57 AM | Reply

Danni you can call him anything you want including your president for another 4 years. Your hate is extra special this morning. Still drinking last nights scotch? Now off you go, check your overflowing mailbox for a new low limit high interest credit card offer to finance another bottle.

#10 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-02-22 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"Your hate is extra special this morning."

Your Orange Hitler just took away the power of unions, just like Hitler and you're going to make idiotic claims about my credit cards?

#11 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-22 11:42 AM | Reply

Wasn't Trump supposed to be the champion of the working class?

Working for the government is no longer "working class", its upper middle class.

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 11:55 AM | Reply

Your Orange Hitler just took away the power of unions, just like Hitler

This is literally the opposite of Hitler.

Hitler banned them or effectively cancelled them because every working person fell under the National Socialists' trade union.

So he could control the unions, with one BIG union.

God Bless Trump.

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 12:00 PM | Reply

"we do need a new flag, one for just dangerously stupid. But hey, Trump loves the poorly educated."

Are you gonna shout out your academic pedigree? Or are you one of those self-taught types?

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-22 12:04 PM | Reply

we do need a new flag, one for just dangerously stupid.
#8 | POSTED BY DANNI

Is this like requiring them to wear a patch with the "Star of David" on it?

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 12:19 PM | Reply

Now off you go, check your overflowing mailbox for a new low limit high interest credit card offer to finance another bottle.

#10 | POSTED BY GRACIEAMAZED

That's rich. A goldbricker mocking somebody over finances.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 12:26 PM | Reply

Is this like requiring them to wear a patch with the "Star of David" on it?

#15 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

What's wrong? You worried about how to accessorize with yours?

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 12:26 PM | Reply

"Is this like requiring them to wear a patch with the "Star of David" on it?"

That would be the likely choice of people like Stephen Miller, the Neo-Nazi who advises Trump in the WH. Think about that.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-22 12:49 PM | Reply

#13 Independent unions are the only ones that ARE unions in any real sense. To nationalize all unions under his control was a way to destroy them without it really showing. He rendered them tools of his oppression generally.
Federal workers are one of the last large groups to have any real ability to collectively bargain for better pay etc. Why do you think this is a bad thing? Are you "jealous of their pay and benefits"?
Why do you want to break people's ability to make good money from their labors? You seem small and schitty as a person to me.

#19 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-22 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I feel like people view Unions as a means to offset capitalism and free markets. I don't think that's correct. It was unions that brought down the Soviet Union, starting in Poland. It was also unions that brought down Allende's government in Chile. Hugo Chavez banned unions in Venezuela.

I'm not for or against unions, but if people think of unions as a means to push some sort of political agenda, they're wrong. The only agenda a union should have is the agenda of it's workers. And that will inevitably cause friction with employers, regardless of whether the employer is a private company or the government.

Bottom line...Socialism was destined to die. Unions just made it happen more quickly.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-22 01:10 PM | Reply

"It was unions that brought down the Soviet Union, starting in Poland."

LOL.
It wasn't Reagan any more?

Get some sleep.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-22 01:13 PM | Reply

"if people think of unions as a means to push some sort of political agenda, they're wrong."

Apparently ending Communism was not some sort of... "political agenda."

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-22 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I tend to agree with madbomber here, unions are about improving the position of their members primarily, but they also show other workers that their jobs don't nescessarily have to suck and this is also why so many people want to ban them, they are a "bad" example to otherwise "good" employees.
They cost the owners money and make it harder for them to steal all the productivity gains for themselves. Ask Jeff Bezos.

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-22 01:50 PM | Reply

Working for the government is no longer "working class", its upper middle class.

#12 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Damn! You Russian dupes never give up on your disingenuous disinformation campaigns do you?

Give me a break.

Government workers don't work for the government to get rich. They are not "upper middle class" comrade. And what the hell is this "middle class"? Does it even exist anymore? The "middle class" if it even exists is not what it used to be.

You try living on a civil servants salary an get back to us. Make sure you live in a big city and have a few kids that you want to put thru college.
Of course you will need a house in that city and a two cars. Don't think your wife isn't going to have to work for you to survive . She will.

Then get back to us.

And if they were considered upper middle class it sure wouldn't say much for Humpy's so-called roaring economy. You know. The best economy ever!

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-22 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Working for the government is no longer "working class", its upper middle class."

It really depends on the job.
The letter carrier who delivers your mail is not making an upper middle class salary.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-22 02:23 PM | Reply

To start with, these 'union' workers are not typical federal employees who are paid under the GS (General Services) pay scales ( www.federalpay.org ) but rather people hired by the Pentagon to provide services and perform tasks not covered using actual permanent federal employees. In many cases, they're technically not even considered government employees, but rather people who work for private companies who've signed service contracts with the Pentagon.

OCU

#26 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-02-22 02:28 PM | Reply

I'm no expert on federal unions nation-wide, but in my little stretch of the world the union covers government employees in the WG/WS systems and all GS 12 and below (above GS12 are us manager-types). Being a member of the union is not mandatory, however the union has agreed to provide a voice for both members and non-members (if you have a grievance the union will support anyone). The last time the union (IFPTE) contract was updated in my area was...1984.

So yes, OCU thee are typical federal employees both in the GS scales and WG & WS scales.

#27 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-02-22 02:39 PM | Reply

Sorry, I never worked for the government (accept a few years in the Army Reserves and trust me, we were not members of any union). I have a few old classmates and Army buddies who eventually ended-up on the federal payroll, but they've all retired by now. My closest friend was way-up the GS scale, having been a Deputy Director at the CIA, but he retired a couple of years before I did. BTW, my private sector job paid well above his 'government' job, just that his benefits package, both before and after he retired, were a bit better than mine.

OCU

#28 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-02-22 02:54 PM | Reply

Considering Reagan fired striking employees, its sucks to be a union that cant strike.

Any union that can strike where employees are of local, state, or fed are the ones to deny being a union.

If they cant strike, then no teeth.

As for a voting bloc, so are all the other unions. Also, unions cant give to elections through union dues. Doesnt it have to be a separate fund like a pac

#29 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-02-22 04:15 PM | Reply

Unions just form SuperPacs like every other incorporated entity to handle their money flow to politicians nowadays.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-24 08:04 AM | Reply

Making life more difficult for federal employees is a great way to reduce the size of the federal workforce (simply don't replace the people who quit) and ensure that only the least qualified employees stick around.

Republicans constantly complain about government providing low quality service and then do everything in their power to ensure it stays that way. It'd be funny if i didn't have to live here.

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-24 08:22 AM | Reply

#27. It depends on the agency. In law enforcement agencies, managers are GS14 and up. Oh, as ALWAYS been illegal for them to unionize.

#32 | Posted by ABH at 2020-02-24 09:44 AM | Reply

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