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When good men and women can't speak the truth, ... when integrity and character no longer matter, when presidential ego and self-preservation are more important than national security -- then there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil.

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I'm sure the traitorous Trumpers on here and across this country will continue to close their eyes at the truth and laugh at the rest of us who see clearly and fear for our country:

As Americans, we should be frightened " deeply afraid for the future of the nation. When good men and women can't speak the truth, when facts are inconvenient, when integrity and character no longer matter, when presidential ego and self-preservation are more important than national security " then there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil.

William H. McRaven, a retired Navy admiral, was commander of the U.S. Special Operations Command from 2011 to 2014. He oversaw the 2011 Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan that killed Osama bin Laden.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-21 09:42 PM | Reply

McRaven is friends with all the former so-called adults who used to be in the Trump administration, so for him to be issuing such a dire warning is especially chilling:

Edmund Burke, the Irish statesman and philosopher, once said: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Over the course of the past three years, I have watched good men and women, friends of mine, come and go in the Trump administration--all trying to do something--all trying to do their best. Jim Mattis, John Kelly, H.R. McMaster, Sue Gordon, Dan Coats and, now, Joe Maguire, who until this week was the acting director of national intelligence.

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-21 10:10 PM | Reply

Told ya, the dude's a Hitler. What more is there to say? Half the country is dancing to "springtime in Germany". We're f**ked!

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-21 10:48 PM | Reply

laugh at the rest of us who see clearly and fear for our country

"See clearly" when there's a democrat or liberal in office, then I'll take you seriously.

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2020-02-21 10:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I saw Hillary was a problem and voted for Trump,Bad move. Obama was wrong about drones,Libya,Afghanistan, I can give a list.I hated Bill Clinton. The point is Trump is uniquely unsuited to rule. He is a would be tyrant, and generally a loathsome turd. Yet you seem to love him, now why in the hell is that? Boaz?

#5 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-22 12:36 AM | Reply

I hated Bill Clinton

Why?

The point is Trump is uniquely unsuited to rule.

Yet you voted for him?

He is a would be tyrant, and generally a loathsome turd.

So you agree he's not one now.

You aren't very wise, you seem to be wrong about everything.

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 12:49 AM | Reply

When I'm wrong I admit it. I don't double down on stupid,like a turd, when I have to go.I get rid of it as soon as possible. Unlike you, who seems to cling to your stupidities like they are gold,not the Schitt they really are..

#7 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-22 02:06 AM | Reply

It's a testament to the American system and character that it will probably be the military that actually keeps us from tyranny.

#8 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-02-22 09:58 AM | Reply

This guy was the former Commander of JSOC. He doesn't need to fear anything this side of a Martian invasion.

#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-22 10:03 AM | Reply

"It's a testament to the American system and character that it will probably be the military that actually keeps us from tyranny."

US Military Officers, along with most federal officials, take an oath to the constitution. Id the constitution is knowingly and willingly being violated, it is the responsibility of all to return the country to constitutional law.

#10 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-22 10:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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--Barry R McCaffrey

Haven't heard of Bill Clinton's hardline drug warrior for a while. That old fossil should stick to "reefer madness" rants. Who knows how many lives he ruined.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-22 10:05 AM | Reply

@#4 ... "See clearly" when there's a democrat or liberal in office ...

If there were a Democrat or liberal in the Oval Office who was acting as egregiously as Pres Trump has been acting, and continues to act, then I would raise similar concerns.

Unfortunately for the Republicans, the only way they seem to be able to justify what Pres Trump has done and is doing is to try to defend it as being political, and not the attack on our Constitution that is is.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-02-22 10:12 AM | Reply

#10 You seem awfully sure that the military cannot be corrupted. I hope you are right. Trump is probably too stupid to pull that off I agree,but someone more subtle and patient who seeks to undermine military Independence gradually and in a strategic way, I'm not so sure.
If the military ever did get corrupted by the civilian leadership we would be truly f**ked.

#13 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-22 10:17 AM | Reply

#10 we saw how that turned out in 1860. Robert E. Lee was offered the leadership of all the federal armies. He chose to make war on his own gov. Lee prolonged that war, he singlehandedly caused more military deaths of Americans than probably any other man. I assume he took oath you speak of. What good did it do anyone?

#14 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-22 10:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Retired Admital: as Americans We Should Be Frightened

What the sky us falling? ....... again?

Didn't Clinton and Obama patched it up with SuperGlue the last time?....

The sky always seems to be falling while the Republicans run the country and are actually doing a good job of doing it....

While the Democrats seem to be nothing more than drama queens... which is why they seem to like hanging out with Hollywood types... their own kind of people.

Think Harvey Weinstein but replace young actresses with taxpayers.... "Mike will get it done"....

...well just be sure your sitting down so he doesn't get it done to you...

#15 | Posted by Pegasus at 2020-02-22 10:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

They all take an oath to the constitution. Many in the government seem to forget that. The folks in the military seem to take that oath more seriously.

#16 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-02-22 10:40 AM | Reply

The oath is only as good as the people taking it, remember that.

#17 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-22 10:48 AM | Reply

#15 | Posted by Pegasus at 20

I'm frightened. People like you frighten me. I've often explained why. If you want me to review the reasons in detail, just ask.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-22 11:12 AM | Reply

They all take an oath to the constitution.

#16 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 20

Government workers so take such an oath, and Trump has been burned by that. So he's exacting just that much more Trump revenge.

Trumpites are notoriously loathe to drawing red lines against Donald's behavior. I don't think they have such lines. This is one reason I'm scared of you, Pegasus.

But the Hitler analogy to Trump only ever becomes more apt. I'm waiting for Trump to require personal oaths from everyone he sees as being his, to include the military.

Damn well better be a revolution when that happens.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-22 11:15 AM | Reply

"Trump is probably too stupid to pull that off I agree,but someone more subtle and patient who seeks to undermine military Independence gradually and in a strategic way, I'm not so sure."

The better question is what Trump would gain by trying to corrupt the military. As bad as Trump is, he's not revolutionary. He's not trying to make people do something that they don't want to do. Consider Hugo Chavez. He needed the military as on his side in order to affect revolutionary change in a country that was largely resistant. Trump is not trying to do that, so what would he gain in replacing qualified leaders with those that were loyal to him. The only reason I can come up with is he would favor loyalty over capability.

I would be fa more fearful of a Bernie presidency, because he is going to need some sort of compelling force in order to implement his brand of government in the US.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-22 11:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Robert E. Lee was offered the leadership of all the federal armies. He chose to make war on his own gov."

Progressives in California have been advoating for secession recently. Do you hold them in equal disdain?

I don't.

For me, the best outcome would be to gut the powers of the presidency and give it back to the states. If California wants to adopt a Democratic Socialist (or any) platform, I wish them nothing but the best. And If Idaho wants to do the exact opposite...that's fine too. I think a lot of the acrimony comes from people on both sides trying to push a one-size-fits-all solution on everyone across the country. That's never going to work. And I think we can all agree that an amicable divorce is far better than a caustic marriage.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-22 11:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"But the Hitler analogy to Trump only ever becomes more apt. I'm waiting for Trump to require personal oaths from everyone he sees as being his, to include the military."

That would be the end of Trump.

Funny thing is...I can see him saying that. Before anyone had a chance to tell him to STFU.

As I've said before, he reminds me of Donny in The Big Lebowski. He just lacks a Walter telling him to shut the ---- up because he's out of his element.

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-22 11:45 AM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You are taking CraZed seriously?

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 12:04 PM | Reply

#21 That is theoretically the best course I agree. But practically,I see it as a possible road to open wars between individual states over time..people always want to chastise and dominate " the other", we have seen that very thing too many times in history. The collapse of Yugoslavia into warring states comes to mind. Remember, these people shared a common culture and language and yet were able to turn on each other without much hesitation when the strong arm of Marshall Tito was removed.

#24 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-22 12:19 PM | Reply

Would the United States even survive as one country if the constraints of the fed were totally removed? Or would the big states gobble up the littles one to consolidate their positions? Assuming Cali went full socialist would other states live and let live if the fed allowed this? What if Delaware for example went full socialist and this impacted Maryland? What if Maryland decided to act against this? There could be wars between individual states. Would THIS BE A GOOD THING?

#25 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-22 12:28 PM | Reply

"Progressives in California have been advoating for secession recently. Do you hold them in equal disdain? "

Turns out the the succession movement in California was funded by the Russians.

So I hold them in the same disdain I that hold you and your duped cohorts.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-22 01:57 PM | Reply

I'm frightened. People like you frighten me. I've often explained why. If you want me to review the reasons in detail, just ask. #18 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-22 11:12 AM
It's probably because you're ignorant. There's a solution.

Fear is generally derived through ignorance.
Educate yourself and you'll realize there's nothing to fear but fear itself. #53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-22 02:17 PM

#27 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-02-22 05:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Amen, good Admiral

#28 | Posted by Augustine at 2020-02-23 03:49 AM | Reply

New High of 90% of Americans Satisfied With Personal Life. I ain't afraid..are you?

#29 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-02-23 05:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

55% say the racist orange schittstain has the country on the wrong track.

www.realclearpolitics.com

#30 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-02-23 05:53 AM | Reply

"So I hold them in the same disdain I that hold you and your duped cohorts."

Do you hold them in disdain for their views, or for the fact that they were unwittingly (assumably) funded by the Russians?

Do you think a bad marriage where a couple stays together is preferable to a separation where they can get along?

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-23 05:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The better question is what Trump would gain by trying to corrupt the military.

It seems that just about everything he does weakens America's standing in the world, which is great for a certain country that helped him win. Corrupting the military would be very on-brand for him.

Think about the scandal with Ukraine. Even though they didn't want to be involved, it makes their nation look like an insignificant foolish pawn. Even without the scam completed, Putin's goal of weakening Ukraine has been accomplished.

Likewise, everything Trump poisons in the US does the same thing to us. Embarrasses us internationally, makes it that much harder for his successor to pick up the pieces and bring some semblance of legitimacy to our country.

#32 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-23 07:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Retired Admital"

The administrators are slacking.

#33 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-02-23 08:47 AM | Reply

"Retired Admital"
The administrators are slacking.

Somebody is slipping, and this time it wasn't me! My headline read something like:
"William McCraven: As Americans We Should Be Frightened".

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 09:02 AM | Reply

#31 What about a separation where they DON'T get along? Think Yugoslavia, not Czechslovakia. While I agree with you a peaceful separation might be ok. I have ZERO faith that Americans as a people are peaceful enough to handle such a fracture.thrre would bemassive bloodshed over time.
Western States might go to war over water and other resources. Hell, some Northern states might even attack Canada because they have no nukes and a lot of good resources to plunder. Same with our southern border. Texas might attack Mexico. Remember many but not all of the states would have nukes already in place. What would happen to those weapons? Who would decide matters of war with 5O countries here instead of 1?
It would be like Europe without the EU. Constant bickering and the constant danger of war.

#35 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-23 09:17 AM | Reply

"...the constant danger of war."

Republicans thrive on the constant danger of war.

#36 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-02-23 10:51 AM | Reply

Effeteposer,

There could be wars between individual states. Would THIS BE A GOOD THING?

Maybe then you liberals would leave us conservatives alone. But we know that cant happen. That socialist utopia of California would need taxes from the other states to keep the party going. Cali's cities would eat themselves.

#37 | Posted by boaz at 2020-02-23 11:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Boaz,

California socialist are fortunate to have a thriving tech industry to support and enact all their crazy ideas.

The claim all that the bad is due to its success.

Yet when one looks closer, the success is companies and individuals taking risk and making money that can be taxed.

All the bad (high income inequality, housing costs, homelessness, traffic) is due to government policy.

Liberals can't separate the two.

For instance the most difficult place to buy a home in the world is San Jose CA (where I live), which is 94% single dwelling zoned, and surrounded by a green belt. Hello?

Cali's cities would eat themselves.

They are, the hilarity of all this, is thinking corporations paying tribute to the city government will solve the crisis.

It won't be long before the TechIndustry starts leaving in droves. Its a bifurcated economy from the 90s, there are no middle size tech companies today.

#38 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-23 11:48 AM | Reply

"All the bad (high income inequality, housing costs, homelessness, traffic) is due to government policy."

Really, what government policy makes 1br1ba apartments around Apple and Google go for $5,000 a month?
What government policy makes 60% of rentals in my neighborhood be sold on AirBnB, not to leaseholders?

Are you referring to the government policy called Capitalism?
???

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-23 11:54 AM | Reply

If the Union fractured,the big state like California, Texas, New York, would become regional hegemons. The small flyover states
are the ones that would lose the most. No Federal Dollars. They would have to "compete" on the merits of their own economic development.
Ultimately there would probably be 3 or 4 countries centered on the biggest states today. California would become the center of a west coast nation. Texas would take the whole lower Midwest and possibly the intermountain west as well. The east would be the hardest to predict because of the greater development there.
Perhaps the north controlled by New York And the south by a confederation
of states that only marginally get along.
In any case it would be a REAL CLUSTERF**K.
Not a Utopia by any means

#40 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-23 12:12 PM | Reply

How many of our military leaders, retired or not, would accept the military closing bases worldwide and cutting it down to size to protect our homeland not the worldland?

#41 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-02-23 12:23 PM | Reply

We wouldn't have one military we would have as many as however many countries we became,and they would all be nuclear armed. THINK ABOUT THAT.

#42 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-23 12:39 PM | Reply

They would have to "compete" on the merits of their own economic development.

I would take that bet. The flyover states would have to be fighting off the zombies from the large cities. Country folk can take care of themselves. Its the dependent liberals who would be having the most problems. Everyone would leave the progressive liberal nanny states. Hell, they are leaving NY and CA now. People realize the space of the flyover states is nice. No one likes to be crowded. No one is moving to a liberal state. All the migration is moving out of them to conservative, right leaning places.

#43 | Posted by boaz at 2020-02-23 12:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The flyover states would have to be fighting off the zombies from the large cities."

Someone should tell this imaginative little boy that zombies only exist in movies.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-23 12:43 PM | Reply

--I would take that bet. The flyover states would have to be fighting off the zombies from the large cities.

Yeah, without the food and energy from the flyover states they would be screwed.

#45 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-23 12:51 PM | Reply

Country folk can take care of themselves.

Is that why rural red states tend to be the biggest per capita net takers of federal money?

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-23 01:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is that why rural red states tend to be the biggest per capita net takers of federal money?

No, its because those States have military bases which the blue states don't want.

#47 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-23 01:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Someone should tell this imaginative little boy that zombies only exist in movies.

Can't do that. Being hunkered down in his bunker mowing down liberals and Muslims begging for some of his food is his favourite fantasy.

#48 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-02-23 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, its because those States have military bases which the blue states don't want.

I looked into that claim before and it's patently false as applied to the net taker argument, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-23 02:20 PM | Reply

"All the migration is moving out of them to conservative, right leaning places."

There's some truth to this.
If buy a house, it's probably not happening in San Diego.
Let's say I decide I really need one. I'm gonna have to relocate someplace where houses are a lot cheaper.

It's probably going to be a more conservative, right leaning place too, compared to San Diego.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-23 02:28 PM | Reply

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