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Saturday, February 22, 2020

From the entrance poll, among the 34% of NV Dem caucus participants who call themselves moderate or conservative: Sanders 23% Biden 22% Buttigieg 20% Klobuchar 14% Steyer 10%

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A significant number of black and Hispanic voters identify as moderate/conservative, and Sanders has made far more inroads with non-white voters than candidates generally seen as moderate in the media, like Buttigieg and Klobuchar.

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What will the people who argue that Bernie cannot reach moderates say when the data proves them wrong?

Fake news?

#1 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-22 04:11 PM | Reply

If Bernie really is able to carry the moderate vote tonight in Nevada, I think he has a clear path all the way to the nomination. I am skeptical though he will be able to do it. More like we probably will get another ambiguous result open to the interpretation of all sides. I am really interested to see where Biden's supporters now stand.

#2 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-22 04:17 PM | Reply

If a significant number of Biden, Buttegieg and Klobuchar supporters have Sanders as their second choice, Bernie could do very well in the caucus.

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 04:23 PM | Reply

More like we probably will get another ambiguous result open to the interpretation of all sides.

Is that really all that likely? Statistically speaking it seems improbable that it would be that close.

#4 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-22 04:41 PM | Reply

I'm currently listening to Bernie at a large, diverse rally in Texas on MSNBC.

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 04:44 PM | Reply

He first took on Trump, calling him a pathological liar, a racist, sexist and homophobe. Now he is on to the wealth gap, the need for unions, a quality education, our need for teachers, especially minority teachers, and is guaranteeing teacher salaries of $60,000. Crowd spontaneously starts chanting, Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Talking about the obscene tax breaks given to wealth. Will reverse those and pay off student loan death (I think). Now talking about universal health care. Listing all the countries that have it. Echoing Obama's mantra: Health care is a right not a privilege. Now he is thanking nurses.

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 04:49 PM | Reply

Explaining what M4A means: no more premiums for workers or employers. No co-payments, no deductibles. No out of pocket expenses. Will take on drug industry as well. No more than $200 a year for drugs (I think).

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 04:51 PM | Reply

Talking about how much money we pay as a country on health care and how many are un- and under-insured. Medical bankruptcy in America--shouldn't happen in this country. It is cruel and inhumane. Will guarantee humane health care for all. The purpose of health care is not make insurance and drug companies rich. Trump embarrasses us every day. One way he really embarrasses us is with regard to climate change.

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 04:55 PM | Reply

Oops, lucky all of you. MSNBC taking a commercial break, so you don't have to listen to me channeling Bernie. LOL

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 04:57 PM | Reply

Curse that Putin and his Denial Bots!

#10 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-02-22 04:58 PM | Reply

student loan death = debt (Interesting Freudian slip though.)

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 04:59 PM | Reply

Carville on MSNBC: It's obvious the nature of the race has changed and that Bernie Sanders is the new front-runner. It's obvious Bernie is going to have a good night tonight. One big, huge, screaming story here tonight: We have a real front-runner."

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 05:04 PM | Reply

More Carville: The ground has shifted. Things are going to be happening fast and furious. Some people [meaning candidates] just aren't going to make it for very long. A lot of news coming up this next week. I promise you. When asked, says Bernie will hurt down ballot candidates and the he is getting panicky phone calls from some of them. Says if you don't get the Senate back, you don't get anything.

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 05:10 PM | Reply

Carville says he doesn't think Bernie wants Putin's help and doesn't think that the Sanders campaign is in collusion with Russia in anyway.

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 05:15 PM | Reply

What will the people who argue that Bernie cannot reach moderates say when the data proves them wrong?
Fake news?

#1 | POSTED BY JOE

Because this says nothing about moderates, aka independents, who don't participate in the primaries or caucuses?

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 08:01 PM | Reply

#6 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY
#7 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY
#8 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Promises promises promises.

All problems that should be fixed.

None are promises that would be easily fixed with government programs.

Certainly not all at once with current tax rates on any income bracket.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 08:04 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY JPW

The only way to rationally control healthcare/education costs is a governmental take over of the healthcare and education system.

Trying to do it through third party payment is a disaster, same with higher education.

NO nation with NATIONAL HEALTHCARE does it via third party.

Its the third rail ... and no Democrat is going to do the right thing if they really want to solve this problem via government.

Which is why I ask in all seriousness, if you are going to be around for "more decades", would you vote Democrat, and if you don't like this then why wouldnt you move to a different country that worked the way you "dreamed".

#17 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 08:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only way to rationally control healthcare/education costs is a governmental take over of the healthcare and education system.

Things weren't always as they are now, especially with education.

There's no reason to think we can't go back to that.

and if you don't like this then why wouldnt you move to a different country that worked the way you "dreamed".

Because this is my home and I'd rather fix it than give up on it.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:19 PM | Reply

Because this says nothing about moderates, aka independents, who don't participate in the primaries or caucuses?

The slice of people you can keep making that argument for keeps getting smaller and smaller.

Meanwhile Bernie's coalition keeps getting bigger.

The entrance polls in Nevada show Bernie Sanders winning men and women, whites and Latinos, voters 17-29, 30-44 and 45-65, those with college degrees and those without, liberal Democrats (by a lot) and moderate/conservatives (narrowly), union and non-union households.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-22 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#18 What can we "go back to" with respect to healthcare that would solve today's problems?

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-22 10:31 PM | Reply

Meanwhile Bernie's coalition keeps getting bigger.

The entrance polls in Nevada show Bernie Sanders winning men and women, whites and Latinos, voters 17-29, 30-44 and 45-65, those with college degrees and those without, liberal Democrats (by a lot) and moderate/conservatives (narrowly), union and non-union households.
#19 | POSTED BY JOE

You're presenting percentages, not numbers moron.

In 2016 the total number of caucus votes was just 12,000 and change.

The general vote count? 1.1 million and change.

If you understand log scales you understand why the above post is meaningless.

What can we "go back to" with respect to healthcare that would solve today's problems?

#20 | POSTED BY JOE

ACA.

Which was slowing cost inflation and dramatically decreasing the numbered of uninsured.

Put it back on track and, after people realize it's not scary and is effective (sort of already did...), introduce a public option.

It's what I'v been advocating for for years. Incremental change that lets people see what it's all about. The go for broke strategy is why "Progressives" suck balls at winning elections.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 11:34 PM | Reply

Which was slowing cost inflation...

What BS.
www.ehealthinsurance.com

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 11:51 PM | Reply

It's what I'v been advocating for for years.

Yeah the middle class paying more than they can afford ... nice work ---------.

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 11:53 PM | Reply

Yeah the middle class paying more than they can afford ... nice work ---------.

#23 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Like your idols "tax reform"?

F--- you you worthless POS.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-23 01:32 AM | Reply

"F--- you you worthless POS.
#24 | POSTED BY JPW "

Profound

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-23 01:33 AM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY JPW

I am not the one telling lies ... unlike you, how does it feel to hate yourself?

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-23 01:46 AM | Reply

ACA. Which was slowing cost inflation and dramatically decreasing the numbered of uninsured.

The ACA was good, but nowhere near good enough.

Between 2008 and 2018, premiums for employer-sponsored insurance plans increased 55 percent, twice as fast as workers' earnings (26 percent). In addition, workers are finding themselves on the hook for bigger deductibles before their insurance will kick in. Over the same time period (2008-2018), the average health insurance deductible for covered workers increased by 212 percent.

Four in ten report that their family has had either problems paying medical bills or difficulty affording premiums or out-of-pocket medical costs, and about half say someone in their household skipped or postponed some type of medical care or prescription drugs in the past year because of the cost.

www.kff.org

Privately run health insurance industry is and will always be a scam that makes life difficult for the middle and lower middle class. In the wealthiest nation on earth, 50% of people skipping medical care or medicine because they can't afford it despite having "insurance" is unconscionable.

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-23 07:19 AM | Reply

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