Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Saturday, February 22, 2020

Bernie Sanders appeared headed to a decisive victory in the Democratic presidential caucuses in Nevada on Saturday, and early returns showed Joe Biden landing a second-place finish that would give his struggling campaign new hope. At 7:30 p.m. Eastern Saturday, MSNBC declared Sanders the projected winner of the state. Early results had Sanders at 44%, followed by Joe Biden at 21%, Pete Buttigieg at 15% and Elizabeth Warren at 13%.

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The surprise IMHO is Biden ...

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 07:04 PM | Reply

Hey, Hey, Ho Chi Minh...

Comrade Sanders goin' to win!

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-22 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Frightened Baby Chris Matthews equates a sanders victory to the fall of France to Nazi Germany. Absolutely Horrific
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As Nulli states ...

More like the Bolsheviks storming the Winter Palace.

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

As always, Nulli & Mattress first out of the gate.

Neither watching the debate, of course.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-02-22 07:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie wins Neveda. DNC loses its party.

#5 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-02-22 07:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All the Democrats saying Sanders is unelectable remind me of how Republicans talked about Trump at this same point in 2016.

A nation that could make Trump president could make Sanders his successor. Let's stop pretending that conventional wisdom is driving this bus.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 07:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Frightened Baby Chris Matthews equates a sanders victory to the fall of France to Nazi Germany. Absolutely Horrific
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As Nulli states ...
More like the Bolsheviks storming the Winter Palace.
#3 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Well both are idiots if they think a candidate winning in a democratic process is anything like either of those events.

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-02-22 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--Neither watching the debate, of course.

You mean the debate a few days ago? Is it just now being televised in Canada?

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-22 07:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Now that Bernie Sanders has won in the first 3 states will he finally drop out and left someone who can win finally win???

#9 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-22 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Neither watching the debate, of course.

What debate? I don't have cable news ...


Bernie wins Neveda. DNC loses its party.

Perhaps ... but you never know...

A nation that could make Trump president could make Sanders his successor.

It should be interesting if Sanders fails miserably I would think "socialism" would take a back seat, and the Democrat Party would move to more sane territory.

Sanders has speaking skills, but its not that hard to say "Yea, the government will pay for that too".

#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 07:19 PM | Reply

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Well both are idiots if they think a candidate winning in a democratic process is anything like either of those events.

What democratic process, this was a caucus. Talk about idiots.

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 07:19 PM | Reply

:)

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 07:20 PM | Reply

Trying my new smart phone my daughter made me buy today. I'm all over the place

#13 | Posted by shane at 2020-02-22 07:20 PM | Reply

What debate? I don't have cable news ...

I guess you've never heard of this thing called the Internet.

#14 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 07:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

-- Well both are idiots if they think a candidate winning in a democratic process is anything like either of those events.

I was just riffing off Crazy Chris Matthews, who hasn't been this agitated since Obama sent tingles up his leg.

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-22 07:23 PM | Reply

The surprise IMHO is Biden ...
#1 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

The DNC is getting their chit together after the Iowa fiasco.

#16 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2020-02-22 07:25 PM | Reply

Chris Matthews likens this to the Nazis occupying France. Dude is hysterical.

#17 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-22 07:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Sorry guys, none of the rabid right-wingers like any of our candidates so we're cancelling the campaign for 2020. We'll try again in 2040 when Jarvanka's term limits are up."

~DNC

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-02-22 07:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"What debate? I don't have cable news ...

I guess you've never heard of this thing called the Internet.
POSTED BY RCADE "

I think Mackris was making a joke -- there is no debate. Internet, cable, or elsewhere.

#19 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-22 07:30 PM | Reply

I'm a longtime Hardball fan. I can't watch Tweety any more. He's known Bernie Sanders for decades. He should know better than to engage in hysterics.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 07:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

and the Democrat Party would move to more sane territory.

#10 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

"Sane" like the shht you've been a cheerleader for since 2016?

Nerp.

#21 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-22 07:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's a real shock to me that Trumpers who use the word "sane" aren't immediately turned into a pillar of salt.

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 07:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 4

Great news, looks like Trump gets four more years.
Go Bernie.

#23 | Posted by patron at 2020-02-22 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I haven't watched Matthews or any other cable news for at least a decade. But it's hard to avoid hearing about his latest crazy rant.

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-22 07:38 PM | Reply

"0Hey, Hey, Ho Chi Minh...

Comrade Sanders goin' to win!"

#2 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN >

So Nulli , who do you suggest? Whose speaking for the working middle class? Please no snark, Seriously dude, really.

#25 | Posted by shane at 2020-02-22 07:39 PM | Reply

A nation that could make Trump president could make Sanders his successor. Let's stop pretending that conventional wisdom is driving this bus.

#6 | POSTED BY RCADE

Considering he's turning into a leftist Trump I guess it's possible...

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 07:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Whose speaking for the working middle class?

No one that wants OpenBorders.


It's a real shock to me that Trumpers who use the word "sane" aren't immediately turned into a pillar of salt.
#22 | POSTED BY RCADE

There is nothing "insane" about Trump's policies. It is pretty much lockstep with Democrats from Bush years.

#27 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 07:45 PM | Reply

Sanders has speaking skills,
#10 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Is that what you call yelling and wagging your weird limp grandpa finger?

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 07:45 PM | Reply

Let's stop pretending that conventional wisdom is driving this bus. ~ RCade

Or common sense...

#29 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 07:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is pretty much lockstep with Democrats from Bush years.

This is complete nonsense.

#30 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 07:49 PM | Reply

There is nothing "insane" about Trump's policies.

Indiscriminate deregulation...

Tax cuts during economic expansion...

Interest rate cuts during economic expansion...

Building a useless wall...

Massive deficit ballooning, mostly to DoD spending...

Government full of Acting X toadies...

Making the US unreliable in the eyes of our allies while cozying up to authoritarians...

What's sane about any of that?

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 07:49 PM | Reply

This is complete nonsense. ~ RCAde

No it isn't, Democrats right up until 2015 were for protecting the borders. Heck even Bernie was against it ...

Today ..


Bernie Sanders - illegal immigrants are "entitled" to the same government benefits as citizens.

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#32 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 07:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Massive deficit ballooning,

LOL ... Please ...


Making the US unreliable in the eyes of our allies while cozying up to authoritarians...

What do you think happened in Honduras? Going into Iraq?

Please ...

Democrats have moved so far left they are going over the cliff with Bernie.

#33 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LOL ... Please ...

You're gonna have to give more than that if you want to be taken seriously.

Why does it always seem we have trillion dollar deficits under Repubs despite them being "fiscally responsible"?

What do you think happened in Honduras? Going into Iraq?
Please ...

Do you really not remember all the NATO summits Trump made a fool of himself at? Or is your sycophantism so deep it's just blocked from your memory?

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 07:58 PM | Reply

Democrats have moved so far left they are going over the cliff with Bernie.

#33 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Right.

I mean, what do you people not understand here?

Only people who have not won yet can win.

Duh!

#35 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-22 07:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Chris Matthews likens this to the Nazis occupying France. Dude is hysterical.

POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2020-02-22 07:26 PM | REPLY

He's probably carrying water for Hillary by saying this outlandish thing. He's probably trying to punish Bernie for daring to run against Hillary in 2016 and blames him for her loss.

#36 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-22 08:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Chris Matthews likens this to the Nazis occupying France. Dude is hysterical.

POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2020-02-22 07:26 PM | REPLY

He's probably carrying water for Hillary by saying this outlandish thing. He's probably trying to punish Bernie for daring to run against Hillary in 2016 and blames him for her loss.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-22 08:08 PM | Reply

You have to endure Hoover if you want to get FDR.

#39 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-22 08:14 PM | Reply

Democrats sure do like making it tough on themselves.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-02-22 08:18 PM | Reply

#38 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

Yap.

There's that fabled logic of the right.

Also:

1. The Nazis were socialists, it's in the name

2. The Nazis were NOT nationalists, even though it's in the name

3. The Nazis definitely were NOT Nazis

4. The Nazis were the Democrats who invented Obamacare

#41 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-22 08:18 PM | Reply

- Ho Chi Minh...

The Red Scare!! lie continues, same Trump troll.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-22 08:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" He's probably carrying water for Hillary by saying this outlandish thing."

Nah, I think he's just suffering from ptsd from all those days hiding under his desk during the Cold War and in his alcoholic and advanced age those memories are becoming more concrete to him than the world he actually lives in today.

#43 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-22 08:32 PM | Reply


He's probably trying to punish Bernie for daring to run against Hillary in 2016 and blames him for her loss.
#37 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Please ... it was the Russians!

#44 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He's probably carrying water for Hillary by saying this outlandish thing. He's probably trying to punish Bernie for daring to run against Hillary in 2016 and blames him for her loss.

#36 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Oh FFS.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Do you really not remember all the NATO summits Trump made a fool of himself at? Or is your sycophantism so deep it's just blocked from your memory?

You really don't know what we are talking about do you....

#46 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-22 08:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie is going to be like the dog that finally catches the car.

Now what do I do?

This fool has been spouting his nonsense for years, now he is actually going to be held accountable for the crap that spews out of his mouth.

It will be interesting to watch the panic that over takes him when he realizes that the voters have called his bluff.

#47 | Posted by sawdust at 2020-02-22 08:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- Oh FFS.

As LauraBelle refused to listen to Bernie's sage advice, there's little chance of her listening to anyone.

btw, Mackris is proof that a fool and her tampon are soon parted. Just sayin'.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-22 08:49 PM | Reply

As LauraBelle refused to listen to Bernie's sage advice, there's little chance of her listening to anyone.
btw, Mackris is proof that a fool and her tampon are soon parted. Just sayin'.

POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-02-22 08:49 PM | REPLY

Oh how lovely. Corky and his typical mental bloviations. Sighhhhhhhhhhhh

#49 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-22 08:58 PM | Reply

You really don't know what we are talking about do you....

#46 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

So you've just blocked them out then.

Because estranging us from NATO isn't a "sane" action.

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 08:58 PM | Reply

It will be interesting to watch the panic that over takes him when he realizes that the voters have called his bluff.

#47 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

And hey speaking of self awareness.

You and your ilk elected a half rttarded drug addict who really just wanted to avoid filing bankruptcy for the 9th time.

#51 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-22 08:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#49

Ah so, what you are saying is that if Bernie loses again and asks his supporters to vote for the Dem candidate, you will be helping to elect Trump again instead? Good to know.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-22 09:03 PM | Reply

Sanders will be just like the Republicans who voted to repeal Obamacare over and again, until it counted. Then they chickened out.

The guy is lazy and has no balls. How many pieces of legislation has he created and passed?

He is all talk.

Cripe, look at the last election cycle.

The DemoKKKrats bought him a third home and he went quietly into the night with his tail tucked between is legs.

#53 | Posted by sawdust at 2020-02-22 09:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It will be interesting to watch the panic that over takes him when he realizes that the voters have called his bluff.

This is fantastically dumb. Bernie Sanders sounds the same as he did in 2016, when he sounded the same as he had for decades in Congress.

No one in this race has a deeper policy plan than Sanders. No one knows his own agenda better than Sanders knows his.

He's been banging the same drum for longer than his most passionate supporters -- voters under 30 -- have been alive.

He isn't bluffing. If he wins he'll know exactly what he wants to do.

#54 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The guy is lazy and has no balls. How many pieces of legislation has he created and passed?

At least he still has a brain unlike Dementia Don and your idol St. Raygun.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:08 PM | Reply

DemoKKKrats

You're going to stop posting that troll -------- here if you want to keep posting.

#56 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

All the Democrats saying Sanders is unelectable remind me of how Republicans talked about Trump at this same point in 2016.

A nation that could make Trump president could make Sanders his successor. Let's stop pretending that conventional wisdom is driving this bus.

A lot of Dems were saying Obama couldn't win at this point in 2008 as well. Given the peculiar vagaries of the American electorate, I've often said that W made Obama possible, and that Obama made Trump possible. It would certainly be poetic justice if Trump made President Bernie Sanders possible.

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 09:10 PM | Reply

He isn't bluffing. If he wins he'll know exactly what he wants to do.

#54 | POSTED BY RCADE

Hard part is getting the money and, harder still, the votes to accomplish it.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:15 PM | Reply

"Ah so, what you are saying is that if Bernie loses again and asks his supporters to vote for the Dem candidate, you will be helping to elect Trump again instead? Good to know."

I think right now, subject to the results of later races, the more important question is will we be demanding the same commitment to remove Trump from Democratic Party voters for whom Sanders is not even their second or third choice if he becomes the nominee? And will we visit the same criticism on them should they be unwilling to do everything they can to be sure Trump is defeated? I think the answer to that question will be far more revealing about who we are as a party, criticism of the left for failing to be sufficiently supportive already being well established here and other places.

#59 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-22 09:16 PM | Reply

Bernie is thinking positive: He introduced Jane at that campaign rally in TX today as "the next First Lady of the United States." If he doesn't want to go the full exorcism route, he should at least consider giving the place a good sage smudging before they move in. ;-)

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 09:17 PM | Reply

Hard part is getting the money and, harder still, the votes to accomplish it.

When was the last time a president couldn't get his own party to pass something major in Congress because of money? That doesn't happen.

If Bernie wins and has a Democratic Congress he'll get a lot of major stuff he wants passed. If Congress is divided he won't, but it won't be his fault. He'd still be able to use the Trump precedents on rapacious executive power to get a lot done.

#61 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#49
Ah so, what you are saying is that if Bernie loses again and asks his supporters to vote for the Dem candidate, you will be helping to elect Trump again instead? Good to know.
POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-02-22 09:03 PM | REPLY

It all depends on who the nominee is doesn't it??

#62 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-22 09:23 PM | Reply

#49
Ah so, what you are saying is that if Bernie loses again and asks his supporters to vote for the Dem candidate, you will be helping to elect Trump again instead? Good to know.
POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-02-22 09:03 PM | REPLY

It all depends on who the nominee is doesn't it??

#63 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-22 09:23 PM | Reply

"Chris Matthews likens this to the Nazis occupying France. Dude is hysterical."

I saw him do a pretty decent interview with Nina Turner earlier today. What else he might have said/done I don't know as I had to stop watching TV in order to do other things.

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 09:24 PM | Reply

I was hoping Warren would do better tonight than she is in the early numbers. I think Sanders is winning a lot of liberal Democratic voters who might otherwise support her.

#65 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:24 PM | Reply

If Bernie wins and has a Democratic Congress he'll get a lot of major stuff he wants passed. If Congress is divided he won't, but it won't be his fault.

IF if if. I'm not sure he'll get both houses.

Even if he does, where does he get the money to pay for all the stuff he's promising?

He'd still be able to use the Trump precedents on rapacious executive power to get a lot done.

#61 | POSTED BY RCADE

Which is what I'm afraid of.

That's a bad bad BAD thing to cheer for.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:24 PM | Reply

Damn double posts.

#67 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-22 09:24 PM | Reply

Damn double posts.

#68 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-22 09:24 PM | Reply

He'd still be able to use the Trump precedents on rapacious executive power to get a lot done.

Trump/Obama precedents.

;)

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-22 09:24 PM | Reply

I think Sanders is winning a lot of liberal Democratic voters who might otherwise support her.

#65 | POSTED BY RCADE

Because her campaign is this right now:

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#70 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:26 PM | Reply

IF if if. I'm not sure he'll get both houses.

An electorate that chooses Sanders in November will keep the House Democratic and has at least a chance of flipping the Senate.

That's a bad bad BAD thing to cheer for.

I'm not cheering it. I'd love a president who was committed to reducing the power of the office in permanent ways. But it's realistic to think that if Sanders wins and doesn't have Congress, he'll do everything he can with executive power to advance his agenda.

#71 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:27 PM | Reply

"That's a bad bad BAD thing to cheer for."

JPW, I find it hilarious that you fear Bernie Sanders power to use EOs.
Can you put those fears into words?

Like, with Trump, I can do it, it's "Everything Democrats have done since FDR, undo as much as possible with EOs."

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-22 09:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Because her campaign is this right now ...

That's silly. Iowa and New Hampshire are tiny, unrepresentative of the diverse Democratic electorate and only matter because of dumb media coverage insisting they are historically important.

Warren raised a huge amount the day of the last debate. Her campaign isn't a disaster just because someone else is leading.

#73 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:30 PM | Reply

"If Bernie wins and has a Democratic Congress he'll get a lot of major stuff he wants passed.

#61 | POSTED BY RCADE "

That's not necessarily true. You are assuming all dems will follow him. I'm very doubtful that will be the case, especially the more moderate ones who are looking at midterms two years later. The last thing they want their Republican opponent to do is to slap a "He's a Berniecrat" sticker their backs.

#74 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-22 09:32 PM | Reply

#59 Part of the onus will be on Bernie. He will need to bring the party together as best he can. Hillary was criticized for not doing this well enough. Hopefully Bernie will do a better job reassuring and welcoming people into "his" big Democratic tent. One advantage he has over Clinton is that now people actually know what they are getting with Trump. Last time some folks with doubts took a chance on him, hoping he'd be good to his word and would turn out to be a decent president. This time voters will know exactly what they'll be getting and then some because in a second term Trump won't just be Trump, he will be Trump unleashed and on steroids.

#75 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 09:33 PM | Reply

An electorate that chooses Sanders in November will keep the House Democratic and has at least a chance of flipping the Senate.

Maybe. That's why I said IF if if.

An IF from my perspective is IF the voters go all in or, IF they're like me, they vote for a mix of candidates to try and instill some balance in government.

But it's realistic to think that if Sanders wins and doesn't have Congress, he'll do everything he can with executive power to advance his agenda.

#71 | POSTED BY RCADE

Only because we, the electorate, don't hold them accountable for that.

The ever increasing Executive power grabs will one day make Congress a formality and the Judiciary window dressing.

#76 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:35 PM | Reply

The last thing they want their Republican opponent to do is to slap a "He's a Berniecrat" sticker their backs.

This is like saying Republicans would distance themselves from Trump after he won to rein in his worst impulses.

Winning changes everything. Democrats won't be afraid of comparisons to the president who sent Trump back to reality TV.

#77 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:35 PM | Reply

"Warren raised a huge amount the day of the last debate."

Just curious, was it like 80% from women? I only know one man who supports her and he was with Her too.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-22 09:36 PM | Reply

The ever increasing Executive power grabs will one day make Congress a formality and the Judiciary window dressing.

We might already be there.

#79 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:36 PM | Reply

Just curious, was it like 80% from women?

I don't know the numbers, but I see plenty of support from men for Warren on social media. She's an impressive leader who took down Bloomberg easily during the last debate.

#80 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:37 PM | Reply

JPW, I find it hilarious that you fear Bernie Sanders power to use EOs.
Can you put those fears into words?
Like, with Trump, I can do it, it's "Everything Democrats have done since FDR, undo as much as possible with EOs."

#72 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're being myopic and, I suspect, more than a little partisan.

Not to mention childish in ascribing my position to fear.

It's simple. The Executive is increasingly forcing policy through independently of the other branches of government.

I don't like the precedents set by Trump and don't want them set in stone by the next administration using them.

This cycle of more and more extremes in bastardizing our governmental system to "win" is toxic and will end up destroying us before anything else does.

#81 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:38 PM | Reply

"This is like saying Republicans would distance themselves from Trump after he won to rein in his worst impulses.

#77 | POSTED BY RCADE "

What happened to congress in the 2018 midterm? Do you think the congressional dems will forget that if Bernie gets elected? Not if they're smart, they won't

#82 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-22 09:40 PM | Reply

Democrats won't be afraid of comparisons to the president who sent Trump back to reality TV.

#77 | POSTED BY RCADE

LOL you think the Dems have a spine!?!

Why do you think the GOP steam rolls them every time? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE SPINES!

#83 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:40 PM | Reply

We might already be there.

#79 | POSTED BY RCADE

Which doesn't bode well.

I for one am not interested in relying on the pragmatism and altruism of somebody as powerful as POTUS.

If true the US as we know it essentially doesn't exist.

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:42 PM | Reply

"Even if he does, where does he get the money to pay for all the stuff he's promising?"

For all the stuff he is promising, I don't know. But he has promised to reverse the Trump tax cuts on the wealthy to fund some things.

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 09:42 PM | Reply

Why do you think the GOP steam rolls them every time?

Were you in a coma in November 2018?

#86 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:43 PM | Reply

She's an impressive leader who took down Bloomberg easily during the last debate.

#80 | POSTED BY RCADE

LOL

She was on the ropes because she turned out to be anything but an "impressive leader".

I thought Warren was going to be a great candidate and she was the candidate I was most interested in seeing perform well at the beginning but she's flopped.

Sacrificing Bloomberg might get her a couple extra minutes in the spotlight but I don't think she has the gumption (or the wisely chosen staff...) to win the general and be POTUS.

#87 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:44 PM | Reply

"Were you in a coma in November 2018?

#86 | POSTED BY RCADE "

That was Trump, not democratic prowess.

#88 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-22 09:46 PM | Reply

Were you in a coma in November 2018?

#86 | POSTED BY RCADE

Don't be obtuse.

In day to day legislative and "governance" (not sure the GOP governs) the GOP wins because they stand firm even when they're saying the most ridiculous, obviously retarded schit possible.

FFS they acquitted Trump while saying "I think he learned his lesson" and "what he did was unethical but not impeachable" while getting back to the "real matter" of investigating the Bidens.

The Dems can't and haven't held a candle to the mindless subservience of the GOP.

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:47 PM | Reply

She was on the ropes because she turned out to be anything but an "impressive leader".

She's losing after two small states of greatly exaggerated importance voted. And only one of those two actually counted votes in a competent manner.

A candidate isn't impressive if they win and unimpressive if they lose. Voters sometimes choose unimpressive candidates. They even choose the least impressive in U.S. history.

#90 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:49 PM | Reply

In day to day legislative and "governance" (not sure the GOP governs) the GOP wins because they stand firm even when they're saying the most ridiculous, obviously retarded schit possible.

Democrats don't win that way because Democrats care about governing. I have trouble believing you want them to emulate the other side.

#91 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:51 PM | Reply

For all the stuff he is promising, I don't know. But he has promised to reverse the Trump tax cuts on the wealthy to fund some things.

#85 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Some?

I don't have the numbers handy but something like three of the policy proposals from Sanders equal the yearly tax revenues.

Student loan forgiveness? 1.something trillion

MFA? 1.something trillion

Tax revenue is 3.something trillion so....

Before I get accused of being a Hillary supporter or Russian or whatever, I want to say I'm all for government moving back towards working for THE PEOPLE. Slash DoD budget. Raise some taxes to make SS/Medicare solvent. Repeal tax cuts. Fund infrastructure renewal, education, social safety nets. Enforce environmental regulations, fund green energy initiatives and R&D of all sorts.

There were times when all of those things were done. Perfectly? Nope. But I'd take imperfect over non-existent.

But f--- promising $10 trillion dollars worth of schit that will never pass a divided Congress. Piss on it if there's a one part Congress. I'm not willing the sell the future because the Dems and, mostly, the "Progressives" can't do anything other than go for broke the moment they have the slightest bit of power.

#92 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 09:57 PM | Reply

Warren raised a huge amount the day of the last debate. Her campaign isn't a disaster just because someone else is leading. - #73 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:30 PM
That may not be the reason her campaign is a disaster, but it is a disaster none-the-less.
Just for clarity...RCP puts the odds of Clinton getting the nomination higher than the odds of Warren getting the nomination (5.2 : 4.0).
Perspective.
www.realclearpolitics.com

#93 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-02-22 10:00 PM | Reply

#90 | POSTED BY RCADE

Not sure who you're referencing here.

But acting as if her faux pas prior to primary season don't exist is interesting (which is what made me realize she wasn't viable).

www.youtube.com

Even Colbert took her to the mat.

#94 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 10:02 PM | Reply

Democrats don't win that way because Democrats care about governing. I have trouble believing you want them to emulate the other side.

#91 | POSTED BY RCADE

I don't.

But you're the one who seems to think they can.

#95 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 10:03 PM | Reply

A nation that could make Trump president could make Sanders his successor. Let's stop pretending that conventional wisdom is driving this bus.

#6 | POSTED BY RCADE

I've said it before - my brain tells me that if Bernie is the nominee he will lose in a landslide. My gut isn't quite as sure for the very reason you cited - after '16 conventional wisdom can be thrown out the window.

Fact is, on policy Trump has mostly been boilerplate GOP - his policies have been typical GOP.

Sanders is pushing an agenda that is well to the left of a fair portion of his own party, much less independents and moderate Republican voters. M4A (with the abolition of private insurance), "free" college, student loan forgiveness, nationalizing the energy sector as well as banking, a slightly scaled down but still absurdly impossible "Green New Deal".... Then there is his past - his lavish praise of old-school Communists including going to the USSR for his honeymoon - his numerous proclamations that he's a Socialist with a capital "S".

As for the aggrandization of powers into the Executive, I absolutely share JPW's concerns about it.

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-02-22 10:05 PM | Reply

But acting as if her faux pas prior to primary season don't exist is interesting ...

I thought that was overblown at the time, like all controversies before primary season has begun.

#97 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 10:07 PM | Reply

No president gets everything they want, even if they have both houses of Congress. Obama picked health care reform for his one big get when Dems were in control across the board. Trump tried to overturn Obamacare, then picked tax cuts for the wealthy as his one big signature piece. As has been discussed there are things he can do through executive orders, but I'd like to know what one--or possibly two--big thing(s) Bernie intends to concentrate on.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 10:09 PM | Reply

But you're the one who seems to think they can.

I don't know what you're basing that on, but I don't feel like refuting a position I didn't take.

#99 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 10:12 PM | Reply

I thought that was overblown at the time, like all controversies before primary season has begun.

#97 | POSTED BY RCADE

*shrug* maybe.

I saw it as a heavyweight getting knocked out in a amateur circuit warmup fight.

#100 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 10:12 PM | Reply

I don't know what you're basing that on, but I don't feel like refuting a position I didn't take.

#99 | POSTED BY RCADE

I'm saying the Dems haven't shown to have it in them to remain lockstep no matter what the cost or absurdity.

Which gets back to the labels being applied (as mentioned in your original post) to them when policy fails or when the GOP hate machine rolls out their campaign against it.

The efficacy (and danger) of the GOP is their reliance to behave as a unit. The Dems simply don't do that. It's a trait I like (and therefore don't want them to behave like the GOP) but it's also one of their major weaknesses.

#101 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 10:19 PM | Reply

"Part of the onus will be on Bernie."

You mean defeating Trump isn't enough? You might be able to give people a pass when he was relatively an unknown entity but now we have years of his demonstrating who he is. But you're not really addressing my question. Or maybe you did and your answer is when the left doesn't support a candidate sufficiently it's their fault but when the center doesn't support a candidate sufficiently enough the fault lies with anybody but them, starting with the candidate himself. You can clarify or correct me if necessary.

#102 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-22 10:22 PM | Reply

Bernie is gonna use EOs to protect the environment,and to regulate bidness. And to become the UNTRUMP,he is going to ERASE everything the SCHITTSTAIN has done by EO. I can't wait.

#103 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-22 10:26 PM | Reply

I'm saying the Dems haven't shown to have it in them to remain lockstep no matter what the cost or absurdity.

Democrats in 2020 have one of the strongest unifying forces they've ever had in a presidential election -- complete and unwavering opposition to Trump.

#104 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 10:26 PM | Reply

All the Democrats saying Sanders is unelectable remind me of how Republicans talked about Trump at this same point in 2016.
#6 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2020-02-22 07:15 PM

Also reminds me of how Democrats talked about Sanders in 2016.

#105 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-22 10:27 PM | Reply

Still early in the race, but this is an impressive win for Sanders.

#106 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-22 10:29 PM | Reply

Sanders has speaking skills,
#10 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

I'm a Sanders supporter and I wouldn't say that. He says the same few things over and over.

His advantage is he's saying what millions of people have been waiting to hear for a long time, and he's saying it from a place of sincerity.

It's not public speaking skills. His message speaks for itself. And watching all the establishment cucks get nervous is worth every donation i make to his campaign.

#107 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-22 10:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" He'd still be able to use the Trump precedents on rapacious executive power to get a lot done.
#61 | POSTED BY RCADE"

IOW when Bernie becomes a so-called tyrant, it will be fine.
Cuz Trump?

#108 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-02-22 10:35 PM | Reply

IOW when Bernie becomes a so-called tyrant, it will be fine.

I wasn't advocating. I was predicting. Every time in the past when a president expanded presidential powers his successor used the expanded powers. The only president in my memory who might not have done that is Carter.

#109 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 10:39 PM | Reply

Bernie is gonna use EOs to protect the environment,and to regulate bidness. And to become the UNTRUMP,he is going to ERASE everything the SCHITTSTAIN has done by EO. I can't wait.

#103 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Until Bernie loses (or his successor loses after he dies) in 2024 and the next step of Executive overreach obliterates our country's form of government.

Don't be so myopic (short sighted if that word is too obscure for you).

#110 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 10:56 PM | Reply

"You mean defeating Trump isn't enough?"

#bluenomatterwho is pretty much my motto, so, yes, I would encourage Democratic voters to support Bernie if he wasn't there first, second or third choice. My point was that I hoped Bernie would reach out to those voters in a way that is more convincing than what Hillary did in 2016, because maybe he can convince a few more voters to swing his way than she was able to do. Ultimately, however, voters are going to make up their own minds just as they did in 2016.

#111 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 10:56 PM | Reply

Democrats in 2020 have one of the strongest unifying forces they've ever had in a presidential election -- complete and unwavering opposition to Trump.

#104 | POSTED BY RCADE

Except we're talking about January 2021 and beyond.

If they're still playing "not Trump" beyond February 2021 they'll fail.

#112 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 10:57 PM | Reply

And watching all the establishment cucks get nervous is worth every donation i make to his campaign.

#107 | POSTED BY JOE

Wow. You used that word unironically.

Bernie really is the lefty Trump.

Congrats? I guess?

#113 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-22 10:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

watching all the establishment cucks get nervous is worth every donation i make to his campaign.

#107 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-02-22 10:34 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Ouch. More Bernie Bros = Trumper stuff.

Don't think for a minute that any of us will be better off under another regime like this.

Not good.

#114 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-22 11:00 PM | Reply

It seems pretty clear that Senator Bernie Sanders will emerge from Nevada as the clear frontrunner for the Democratic nomination. He came into this race with strong name recognition. He has been well organized, and he seemingly has an unlimited line of credit for money and energy from his base of support.

All that being said, there are large blocks of the party that are not voting for him, at least not yet. Part of this is undoubtedly due to the fractured field. Part of it is ideological. How much lies in each camp we just don't know. The biggest question of the moment is whether opposition to Bernie can coalesce, and if so, behind whom. I believe that Biden, Warren, Bloomberg, Butegieg, and even Klobuchar all believe in their minds that they are the ones best suited to unify the Sanders Resistance. Yet as long as all of them are running, consolidation will be impossible. With the delegate deluge of Super Tuesday looming, can one emerge? Can they keep Sanders in their sites?

There is a lot of fear from many in the Democratic Party about what a Sanders nomination will mean in the campaign against Trump, in down ballot races, and even, if he should win, in how he would govern. I suspect many in the Republican Party are eager to face him. On the flip side, Sanders is a known quality and holds up to Trump well in many of the polls. He will say that his movement can bring new people out to the ballot boxes in large numbers, especially young voters and what he has shown to date as a surprising strength in the Latin American community.

Over all of this hangs the label of socialism. In my mind, it has strong connotations born from decades of experience that are hard to shake. I have seen socialists run in the past in the United States and have seen an electorate act in ways far different than you see in European countries. Younger voters undoubtedly see things differently, if you believe the polls. Sanders will paint his socialism as Denmark. Trump will paint it as Venezuela, or even worse, akin to communism.

Expect to see a rash of articles anticipating what Sanders will mean for the Democrats in the fall. Read the arguments, weigh them, but also remember what people thought about the strength of a Trump nomination. Most Democrats (and many Republicans) initially thought he would be easy to beat. And watch Sanders. Does he try to stick in his current lane and plow to the nomination or does he recognize the queasiness of many who desperately want rid of President Trump but view Sanders with fear or suspicion. If he is the nominee and he is to win, he will need Clinton voters, and even some potential Bloomberg voters, as well as his own. I suspect he knows that.

All I can say for certain is this nation is churning in ways unlike I have ever quite seen. We are being pushed further apart, to more polarized policies, and views of each other. It is into this vortex that the main event may be Trump vs. Sanders. Or maybe the notion of that will shake another Democratic candidate to the role of foil. We shall see. Buckle up, the future awaits.

I am eager to hear what you think, but please try to keep the conversation substantive and civil.

-Dan Rather

#115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-22 11:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#bluenomatterwho"

Sanders is an independent. Not blue.

#116 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-22 11:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Don't think for a minute that any of us will be better off under another regime like this.
#114 | POSTED BY BRUCE

You don't even know what the fffk you're talking about Bruce.

What regime do you believe Bernie will usher in?

#117 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-22 11:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#116 Vote for Trump then, idiot.

#118 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-22 11:11 PM | Reply

Sanders is an independent. Not blue.
#116 | POSTED BY BRUCE

The Democratic Party seems to think Bernie is blue enough to run as a Democrat.

It's sad to see you falling apart.

#119 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-22 11:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

HC, I went back to reread your comment I first responded to:

"I think right now, subject to the results of later races, the more important question is will we be demanding the same commitment to remove Trump from Democratic Party voters for whom Sanders is not even their second or third choice if he becomes the nominee? And will we visit the same criticism on them should they be unwilling to do everything they can to be sure Trump is defeated? I think the answer to that question will be far more revealing about who we are as a party, criticism of the left for failing to be sufficiently supportive already being well established here and other places."

We can all demand beforehand and then criticize and blame afterwards if Bernie is the nominee and loses to Trump, and we probably will. As I said, #bluenomatterwho is my motto, Bernie and Bloomberg, too, for that matter. And, yes, I would vote for Bloomberg over Trump because I think Mike would be the lesser of two evils. Those of us who hold to the lesser of two evils model have been criticized as well by some on the left who say that the lesser of two evils isn't good enough. So be it. They have to vote their consciences, and I have to vote mine.

#120 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 11:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sanders is an independent. Not blue.

POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-02-22 11:03 PM | REPLY

He caucuses with the Democrats so yes he's blue. He may not be royal blue. He still is blue nonetheless.

#121 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-22 11:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" The Democratic Party seems to think Bernie is blue enough to run as a Democrat. It's sad to see you falling apart."

What's sad is a person makes this argument that Sanders, somebody who has at least caucused with Democrats his entire legislative career, is not a Democrat but has zero issue with Bloomberg running as a Democrat. Somebody who has actively worked to defeat Democratic candidates and goals in recent history.

#122 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-22 11:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Ouch. More Bernie Bros = Trumper stuff.
Don't think for a minute that any of us will be better off under another regime like this.
Not good.

POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-02-22 11:00 PM | REPLY

One two
Bernie loves you.
Three four
Plus much more
Five six
He will fix
seven eight
He is great
Nine ten
He will win.

#123 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-22 11:23 PM | Reply

This is what I mean when I say part of the onus is on Bernie:

"And watch Sanders. Does he try to stick in his current lane and plow to the nomination or does he recognize the queasiness of many who desperately want rid of President Trump but view Sanders with fear or suspicion. If he is the nominee and he is to win, he will need Clinton voters, and even some potential Bloomberg voters, as well as his own. I suspect he knows that."

I hope Bernie can gracefully and sincerely reach out to other candidates voters. I don't think Hillary did that. If she had, she might have been able to convince a few more of them to come her way. Perhaps this is where the question, "Isn't defeating Trump enough?" comes into play. For me it is, but it might not be for everyone.

#124 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 11:24 PM | Reply

Sanders is an independent. Not blue.
#116 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-02-22 11:03 PM

Bloomers is short on blue credentials as well.

#125 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-22 11:32 PM | Reply

- It all depends on who the nominee is doesn't it??

No. Bernie will support whomever the voters choose rather than helping Trump.

We have a 2 party system, and this isn't rocket science.

#126 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-22 11:36 PM | Reply

Warren is a nice compromise policy-wise and in voter appeal between Sanders and Biden.

She showed that she wasn't a'scairt of billionaires the other day, and it's still early. She has to still be an option after Super Tuesday fallout though.

#127 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-22 11:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

No. Bernie will support whomever the voters choose rather than helping Trump.
We have a 2 party system, and this isn't rocket science.
POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-02-22 11:36 PM | REPLY

You and those ridiculous regurgitated talking points. Ughhhhhhhhhhh just shoot me and let's get it over with. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhh

#128 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-22 11:48 PM | Reply

You don't even know what the fffk you're talking about Bruce.
What regime do you believe Bernie will usher in?
#117 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-02-22 11:09 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

The kind where political bullies effect the dictatorship. Like Trump.

You guys are doing a great job of proving my point.

And no he's not blue. That's his choice.

#129 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-22 11:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I think we are about to see Bloomberg unload on Sanders in epic fashion. Like around a couple of hundred million dollars in attack ads aimed straight at Bernie. It is coming. Bloomberg needs Bernie out of the way, and relentlessly focusing on Trump will not achieve that.

Hopefully most people will see those attacks for the mostly baseless political opportunism they will be.

#130 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-22 11:49 PM | Reply

Russia stepping in to help Sanders really made a big improvement.

I didn't think Trump was right to allow foreign interference and I don't think it's right for Bernie to do it either.

#131 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-22 11:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hopefully most people will see those attacks for the mostly baseless political opportunism they will be.

#130 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2020-02-22 11:49 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

No mention of the Russia unloading on the other Dems?

Morals are so hard to keep when it's your boy getting the help. I hope this let's you be more understanding of the Trumpers.

#132 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-22 11:52 PM | Reply

"I think we are about to see Bloomberg unload on Sanders in epic fashion."

Too little, too late. March 3 is only 10 days away.

#133 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 11:52 PM | Reply

Bloomberg's will be the shortest campaign ever.

#134 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-22 11:53 PM | Reply

#131 Bruce, pleases stop pretending Bernie is doing what Trump did--actively encouraging and courting Russian help.

#135 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 11:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No mention of the Russia unloading on the other Dems?
Morals are so hard to keep when it's your boy getting the help. I hope this let's you be more understanding of the Trumpers.

#132 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

WTF are you talking about? Don't me any positions that I have never ever taken. That is bullschit.

Russia has no business whatsoever interfering with our elections. And, if I understand correctly, Bernie has loudly and unambiguously and publicly denounced any Russian efforts that might exist to assist him. Unlike Trump, who just denies it is happening even though everyone in the National Securities bureaus are telling us it is happening.

Anyway, don't assign positions willy nilly. It really lower my opinion of you.

#136 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-22 11:59 PM | Reply

#135 he is.

#137 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-22 11:59 PM | Reply

Bruce, pleases stop pretending Bernie is doing what Trump did--actively encouraging and courting Russian help.
#135 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Newsworthy

Bruce has lost it.

#138 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-22 11:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#135 he did.

#139 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-22 11:59 PM | Reply

#135 he will continue to do so.

#140 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-23 12:00 AM | Reply

#135 show me a single measure he's taken in response to the years of Russian support.

#141 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-23 12:00 AM | Reply

he is.
#137 | POSTED BY BRUCE

Citation necessary.

Why are you so determined to lie?

#142 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-23 12:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#138 show me what he's done.

You must have ideas for what Trump should have done to decline Russian support.

Now show me Bernie isn't accepting it.

#143 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-23 12:01 AM | Reply

Bruce has turned into a troll.

Good to know.

#144 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-23 12:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Citation necessary.
Why are you so determined to lie?

#142 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-02-23 12:01 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

He let's it go on. He doesn't say a word about it. As long as it works for him, he's happy to give a press release and let it continue.

#145 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-23 12:03 AM | Reply

At least he's bringing you closer to understanding why Trumpers act the way they do.

They want some power and free stuff. They're willing to do anything for it.

Just like Bernie folks.

#146 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-23 12:04 AM | Reply

To think that Bernie who is a socialist and has been to the USSR hasn't had Soviet/Russian assistance to his cause during his career is a bit naive, don't you think?

#147 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-23 12:05 AM | Reply

#145

So no citation. No proof. No nothing.

Just lies.

Good to know.

You're the bully, Bruce.

You're hulking out with anger.

#148 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-23 12:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

When he was confronted about the treatment of the culinary union folks he brushed it off. Then he shrugged and said online stuff happens. Said maybe Russia did it. And then moved on to how his campaign sees worse.

Yeah, so I can see just fine what Bernie is doing.

#149 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-23 12:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm quoting Bernie's words and his actions.

That's being a bully?

You are full Trumper now. I hope you see that.

Let's not forget that those ladies were the ones that received the death threats from Bernie Bros. But you're feeling bullied.

Something is off with that.

#150 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-23 12:08 AM | Reply

I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.

Dude doesn't even have plans.

Vote Warren if you like the policies.

#151 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-23 12:09 AM | Reply

"Too little, too late. March 3 is only 10 days away.

#133 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

That's my primary day. I'm definitely voting for Bernie.

#152 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-23 12:11 AM | Reply

I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.
Dude doesn't even have plans.
Vote Warren if you like the policies.
#151 | POSTED BY BRUCE

I'd be happy to vote for Warren. I like Warren. But. She doesn't seem to be doing well in the primaries.

As for the Sanders. He does have plans.

I'm disappointed all you have are lies and bullying.

#153 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-23 12:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"He let's it go on. He doesn't say a word about it. As long as it works for him, he's happy to give a press release and let it continue."

I'm not sure how you think Bernie as a candidate can get the Russians to stop? He can tell them he doesn't want their help and has, and he can cooperate with the FBI, which I assume he is. (If I find out he's not, then I'll change my mind.) Trump could use the powers of the federal govt he has at his disposal to get them to stop. He hasn't, which is how you know Trump believes Russia helping Bernie is helping him.

Maybe Bernie didn't say anything before the story broke for the same reason Obama didn't say more in 2016, i.e., he didn't want it to muddy the waters?

#154 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 12:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bruce You're coo coo for coco puffs.

youtu.be

#155 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-23 12:16 AM | Reply

#153 Meh. Call it what you will. Everything in saying is in the public record. Go to Bernie's website and see for yourself how it's barren of details even though he's been repeating the same thing for 70 years.

#156 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-23 12:16 AM | Reply

"That's my primary day."

Lucky you.

"I'm definitely voting for Bernie."

Because you like him or because you think he will be easy for Trump to beat?

#157 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 12:17 AM | Reply

I'm quoting Bernie's words and his actions.
That's being a bully?

I ask for citations. You don't provide any and you keep attacking.

Yes. That's the actions of a bully.

You are full Trumper now. I hope you see that.

Again. You're bullying.

Let's not forget that those ladies were the ones that received the death threats from Bernie Bros.

Don't know what you're referring to or where this tangent fits into the discussion.

But you're feeling bullied.

From you? Yea.

Something is off with that.
#150 | POSTED BY BRUCE

You should try some introspection.

#158 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-23 12:19 AM | Reply

#153 "Meh. Call it what you will. Everything in saying is in the public record. Go to Bernie's website and see for yourself how it's barren of details even though he's been repeating the same thing for 70 years."

Bruce, I did go to Bernie and Warren's websites after I read your comments earlier today. You are right that Bernie's plans are not as detailed as Warren's. Not even close. I did wonder, however, when it comes to M4A if Bernie's plan is outlined more in "the damn bill" he wrote. I didn't go ahead and look for the bill, so I don't know.

#159 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 12:21 AM | Reply

"Because you like him or because you think he will be easy for Trump to beat?

#157 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

The latter. Not because I'm a Trump fan. But Trump is better than what the dems have going. I'll be voting third party in the general election.

#160 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-23 12:27 AM | Reply

"The latter. Not because I'm a Trump fan. But Trump is better than what the dems have going. I'll be voting third party in the general election."

I was talking to a friend tonight about Bernie's likely nomination and how much appeal Bernie might have to disgruntled Trump voters and right-leaning independents. He said he uses his brother, who is a conservative that votes Republican but who doesn't like Trump and only voted for him reluctantly in 2016, as a bellwether. His brother is open to voting for a Democrat this time around (someone like Biden) but said "I'm not going to vote for a damn socialist." I think Bernie can win in the fall, but he will need to bring out new voters in the kinds of numbers he is promising he can.

#161 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 12:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#161 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

In 2016 I was impressed by Bernie because he seemed to have what he thought was the country's best interest at heart. I didn't think he was going about it the right way, but I felt his passion in wanting to do the right thing.

This time around though, I don't see the same Bernie. He has turned into just another 'win at an cost' candidate.

#162 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-23 12:42 AM | Reply

Maybe Bernie didn't say anything before the story broke for the same reason Obama didn't say more in 2016, i.e., he didn't want it to muddy the waters?

#154 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 12:15 AM
Used to be whenever someone posted a theory as to why the target of Russian aid had not taken a stand to stop that Russian aid or behaved in some omniscient way, that poster was labelled a traitor. Funny how responses change based on the letter after the name of the target of that Russian aid.

#163 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-02-23 12:45 AM | Reply

""
BERNIE 2020 "NOT ME US"
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#164 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2020-02-23 12:48 AM | Reply

Avi, as I'm sure you know Obama did want to speak out about Russia in 2016, and he went to Mitch McConnell, who refused to sign a bipartisan statement to be released to the public. Now we know why. And, yes, Mitch is as big a traitor as Trump is. You can take that to the bank or shove it where the sun don't shine, as you wish.

#165 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 12:50 AM | Reply

Biden: McConnell stopped Obama from calling out Russia's election meddling
www.businessinsider.com

Obama Warning on Russia Meddling Was 'Watered Down' By Mitch McConnell, Former Aide Claims
www.newsweek.com

Mitch McConnell tries gaslighting on Obama, Russia
www.msnbc.com

#166 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 12:53 AM | Reply

This time around though, I don't see the same Bernie. He has turned into just another 'win at an cost' candidate.

So, you think he has changed in some way? Can you explain why? When I watched him today, I saw the same Bernie.

#167 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 12:56 AM | Reply

"So, you think he has changed in some way? Can you explain why? When I watched him today, I saw the same Bernie.

#167 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY "

It's difficult to articulate or quantify. He just seems less passionate about the country and more passionate about Bernie. Wish I could encapsulate what it is that makes me feel this, but I cannot.

#168 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-23 01:20 AM | Reply

@ #165 & #166 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 12:53 AM
None of which has anything to do with the posters here calling traitor anyone who posited theories about Trump similar to the one you make today about Sanders. The obvious difference between the way posters making those theories are treated is the letter after the name of the target of that Russian aid.

#169 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-02-23 01:20 AM | Reply

#135 he is.

#137 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

How do you figure?

#170 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-23 01:24 AM | Reply

hen he shrugged and said online stuff happens. Said maybe Russia did it. And then moved on to how his campaign sees worse.
Yeah, so I can see just fine what Bernie is doing.

#149 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Seems pretty thing dude.

#171 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-23 01:27 AM | Reply

So party members will get ahead in the breadlines when the Socialist destroys our present real success.?

#172 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-02-23 01:37 AM | Reply

- just shoot me and let's get it over with. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhh

Might as well since you can't provide a cogent argument.

#173 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-23 01:44 AM | Reply

"We can't expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism until one day they will awaken to find they have communism"
-RR

#174 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-02-23 02:08 AM | Reply

breadlines when the Socialist destroys our present real success.?

#172 | POSTED BY GREATAMERICAN

When that day comes we will dine on the rich.

#175 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-23 02:32 AM | Reply

"When that day comes we will dine on the rich."

It would be the last good meal in your lifetime.

Did you ever ask yourself what life would be like without the rich paying all your bills for you?

#176 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-23 02:46 AM | Reply

"So party members will get ahead in the breadlines when the Socialist destroys our present real success.?"

Of course. Party members are always entitled to perks not available for the masses.

But even with those perks, life under socialism paled in comparison to the standard of living in non-socialist countries.

#177 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-23 02:47 AM | Reply

#175 - *cringe*

#178 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-23 03:24 AM | Reply

Let's just say what it is, Bernie is winning, a bunch of less than intelligent Dems are panicking, and they're trying to make room in their tin foil hats to also say Bernie is a Russian agent

#179 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-23 03:32 AM | Reply

"None of which has anything to do with the posters here calling traitor anyone who posited theories about Trump similar to the one you make today about Sanders. The obvious difference between the way posters making those theories are treated is the letter after the name of the target of that Russian aid."

Well, that would be true except for the parts where Trump welcomed the Russians help, lied about his attempts to get business dealings in Russia during the campaign, denied they did help him (and still does), had his campaign meet with Russians over a hundred times and didn't tell the FBI even after he was warned, praised Putin as a strong leader and shrugged off his killing of journalists, met with Putin one-on-one and wouldn't release the translator's notes, flipped out and fired his DNI after Democrats on the intel committee were briefed on Russian interference as is mandated, and on and on and on. It is all about the letter after his name. If Trump had a D after his, Democrats and Republicans would call out Trump for what he has done and continues to do. America deserves better.

#180 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 07:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

MMM"S BaSEMInt!!!111one11!!!lolololo111!!0mmFg!1!pwnt!!!!

#176 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Fixed it for you

#181 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-23 07:48 AM | Reply

#175 - *cringe*

#178 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

Is it half as cringe worthy as the question about bread lines?

Cringe is the only thing the mouth breathers understand.

There's no other way to respond.

#182 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-23 07:52 AM | Reply

#169 Hey Avi, when Bernie's peeps meet with a bunch of Russians at his lake house in VT, and when his campaign manager passes DNC polling data to a former KGB spy and his friend of four decades brags about corresponding with Wikileaks regarding hacked and soon-to-be leaked RNC emails, and when his private attorney lies at his request about trying to establish a business in Russia, maybe we can start to talk about equivalencies. Until then, the only equivalencies you have are false.

#183 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 08:21 AM | Reply

Pretty damn funny that the Russia hoaxers are now accusing other Democrats of being Russian assets. The descent of the Democrat party into total madness is now complete.

#184 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-23 08:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" You should try some introspection."

That assumes he doesn't know exactly what he's doing.

#185 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-23 09:07 AM | Reply

I pledge to support whomever wins the US Presidency.
We have had enough of this divisive hate.
Go Bernie! Go Joe!
And go TRUMP!

#186 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-02-23 09:21 AM | Reply

#181

Do you ever stop drinking?

#187 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-23 09:29 AM | Reply

"Hey Avi, when Bernie's peeps meet with a bunch of Russians at his lake house in VT, and when his campaign manager passes DNC polling data to a former KGB spy and his friend of four decades brags about corresponding with Wikileaks regarding hacked and soon-to-be leaked RNC emails, and when his private attorney lies at his request about trying to establish a business in Russia, maybe we can start to talk about equivalencies. Until then, the only equivalencies you have are false."

Really?

Bernie met with Russians when he went on his honeymoon to the USSR. After that, a little jaunt down to Nicaragua, where he gushed over Daniel Ortega and the Sandinistas.

Putin was in the KGB. Maybe he and Bernie know each other. Although it seems like Bernie's opinion of Russia may have soured due to them rejecting socialism.

#188 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-23 09:31 AM | Reply

"Cringe is the only thing the mouth breathers understand."

Dude, you're like the mouthbreather-in-chief. Pot meet kettle.

#189 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-23 09:32 AM | Reply

"Pretty damn funny that the Russia hoaxers are now accusing other Democrats of being Russian assets. The descent of the Democrat party into total madness is now complete."

I thought Trump was a witting Russian asset (still do) and that Bernie was an unwitting one, big difference between the two, but Bernie went out and did something that Trump never has:

"Unlike Donald Trump, I do not consider Vladimir Putin a good friend. He is an autocratic thug who is attempting to destroy democracy and crush dissent in Russia," Sanders said in the emailed statement. "Let's be clear, the Russians want to undermine American democracy by dividing us up and, unlike the current president, I stand firmly against their efforts, and any other foreign power that wants to interfere in our election."

Sanders added, "I don't care, frankly, who Putin wants to be president. My message to Putin is clear: Stay out of American elections, and as president I will make sure that you do."

www.businessinsider.com

I no longer think Bernie is an unwitting Russian asset, but you know what? Even if Bernie was an one, I'd pick him every time over Putin's puppet, Donald Trump.

#190 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 09:43 AM | Reply

"Russia, if you are listening I hope you can find the 33,000 missing emails."

versus

"My message to Putin is clear: Stay out of American elections, and as president I will make sure that you do."

#191 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 09:49 AM | Reply

#190 - an obvious and not subtle at all difference that I hope is not lost on who you're responding to, or the person that flagged that post as "Newsworthy."

#192 | Posted by YAV at 2020-02-23 09:51 AM | Reply

"Unlike Donald Trump, I do not consider Vladimir Putin a good friend. He is an autocratic thug who is attempting to destroy democracy and crush dissent in Russia," Sanders said in the emailed statement."

Bernie is going to have to keep repeating statements like this one, and he is going to have to explain how he has evolved from his 1980s position on Russia and other communist countries. If he can do that convincingly, then the socialist/communist label the GOP will throw at him won't have a damaging effect.

#193 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 10:32 AM | Reply

THIS!:

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_

THREAD. If Bernie is the nominee, he needs to DEMAND, vocally and repeatedly, that the IC thoroughly investigate all Russian efforts to boost his campaign, provide him with regular updates, and for Trump to immediately take steps to ensure election security. This serves 3 goals:

FIRST: It gives teeth to his assertion that he does not want the help and that he is willing to stand up to Putin. It illustrates, unequivocally, that he takes the side of our intelligence agencies over Russia and himself. It gives needed support to our IC.

SECOND. It's an obvious contrast to Trump's actions in 2016 -- i.e., it's how a person who is horrified at foreign election interference would behave. It also drives home the point that when one is innocent of collusion, one does not fear counterintelligence measures to stop it.

THIRD. It puts the onus on Trump to do something. Remember that if Bernie gets nom AND wins, Trump will contest results, claiming that outcome is not legit because Russia helped him. If he refuses to take action NOW, that argument rings hollow.

twitter.com

#194 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 10:41 AM | Reply

People are sick of the ownership class stealing everything from everyone else and making it retroactively legal by buying congress and the courts.
Bernie is surging because of this. People here are clutching their pearls at the thought of a Sanders presidentcy. Maybe they should have thought of that before they corrupted our entire system of government to consolidate control by the oligarchs.

If socialism WRIT LARGE, comes to America it will be because of reaction to the oligarchs stealing productivity from everyone else for 50 years.
America is no different from the rest of the world our "exceptional" nature was because we had an open frontier to allow social pressures to escape. That pressure valve has been closed for 100 years now. America is like the old world now and will soon face all the OLD WORLD problems of scarcity and distribution that they have dealt with for centuries.

#195 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-23 10:48 AM | Reply

#194 Final Asha tweet:

It's important to understand, even if you are a Bernie fan, that Russia is using him as an "insurance policy," if you will. Bernie can neutralize this if he does the above. And he might actually sway people who were otherwise turned off to come over. END

Serenity Now! @Cpo10za

Replying to @AshaRangappa_
He needs to demand this even if he isn't the nominee. All candidates, members of Congress & leaders need to. And those who don't should be questioned as to why they won't.

#196 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 10:54 AM | Reply

#176 The "rich" don't pay my bills for me. Where do you get these tiresome tropes from anyhow?
Many Americans who work and pay their bills with no help from government are sick of watching the ownership class stealing productivity from them.
Why do you always apologize for exploitation?
Why are you so afraid of your fellow citizens and constantly accuse them of being parasites out to destroy our "way of life" because they want the oligarchs cut down to size.
No one needs to be a billionaire, it is an unsustainable concentration of power and control that destroys the very idea of human equality.
Economic power is just as corrupting as political power, if not more so. So spare us the fearmongering about breadlines and how the rich are our obvious "betters" that we should always defer to.
You sound like a slave who has learned to identify with massa's interests not your own. It's sad to see. Frankly.

#197 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-23 11:09 AM | Reply

This cycle of more and more extremes in bastardizing our governmental system to "win" is toxic and will end up destroying us before anything else does.
#81 | POSTED BY JPW

^
If this isn't fear, then nothing is.

The point I think you're making is fleshed out here:
Why the Presidency Can't Just Go Back to Normal' After Trump
www.politico.com

I see the broad strokes, I just don't see what specifically in Bernie's agenda is cause for concern.

#198 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-23 11:21 AM | Reply

Final, final Asha tweet:

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_

P.S. This approach is also a good way to smoke out the bots. Those "Bernie Bros" who don't support such a straightforward proposal in favor of democracy are likely sitting in a cubicle in St. Petersburg and don't want to FBI sniffing in their business.

#199 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 12:03 PM | Reply

"Bernie can neutralize this if he does the above. And he might actually sway people who were otherwise turned off to come over. "

^
Bernie got something like 90% of the realignment (or whatever it's called, when your candidate drops out and you have to pick a new one) votes in Nevada.

#200 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-23 12:06 PM | Reply

Both parties had their time of holding both the House and Senate along with the White House.

Does anyone really believe the military spending will be cut?

I've called for closing all our military bases worldwide. That has to be done to cut costs. Where to put our troops after closing bases? The border. We're paying them already so its not an extra cost.

How can other countries afford those public goodies? They dont need a defense...the US is there.

Move the UN to Switzerland. Make cuts in all UN involvements. Reduce our aid...set the amount to what everyone pays.

Renegotiate all treaties...we are bringing our troops home. Dont like it, well, we broke Indian treaties...other countries are no more special.

Cut military spending? Which party do you really believe will cut it? .0000001%? When we vote out the majority of Congress and vote in AOCs will that ever happen.

#201 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-02-23 12:13 PM | Reply

"Bernie can neutralize this if he does the above. And he might actually sway people who were otherwise turned off to come over. "
Bernie got something like 90% of the realignment (or whatever it's called, when your candidate drops out and you have to pick a new one) votes in Nevada.

And that's why he won by as much as he did, which is something I posited could happen yesterday:

If a significant number of Biden, Buttegieg and Klobuchar supporters have Sanders as their second choice, Bernie could do very well in the caucus.
#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-22 04:23 PM

Don't forget, however, that the 90% was in a Democratic caucus, not the general election, where Bernie (or any other Democrat) will need to win over some more skeptical/reluctant voters. I assumed those are the people she was talking about.

#202 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 12:20 PM | Reply

Does anyone here even want to admit that Bloomer went flat the moment he tested the water with Hildabeast? Otherwise he'd be in the front.

Hillary isn't going to bring much positivity to anyones campaign.

#203 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-23 01:24 PM | Reply

@#180 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 07:01 AM
&
@#183 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-23 08:21 AM

Ah yes, the classic Russian play...whataboutism. Fantastic idea to defend Bernie's Russian assistance by utilizing a Russian ploy.
Perfecto.

#204 | Posted by Avigdore at 2020-02-23 01:47 PM | Reply

The only reason anyone would vote for Bernie is the consolation that he will not be able to get any of his communistic poison enacted.
Orange man baaaaad so they vote for a known screwball.

#205 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-02-23 01:58 PM | Reply

#205 I want the communistic poison enacted. Take the oligarchs money, they stole it from everyone else.

#206 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-23 02:20 PM | Reply

"People are sick of the ownership class stealing everything from everyone else and making it retroactively legal by buying congress and the courts."

So what do you see the economy looking like if these people no longer participate? Do you see yourself as being better off? If so, why?

#207 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-23 02:56 PM | Reply

"So what do you see the economy looking like if these people no longer participate?"

In stealing?

#208 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-23 02:57 PM | Reply

"No one needs to be a billionaire, it is an unsustainable concentration of power and control that destroys the very idea of human equality."

One does not become a billionare in a vacuum. It happens because they're doing something of immense value.

You're using a computer that was made possible either by the collaborative efforts of IBM, Microsoft, Apple, or all of the above. The reason they're billionaires is because you're able to kill time on the Drudge Retort. Is there really a circumstance where it would be better for them to be less rich, with you not being able post here?

#209 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-23 03:00 PM | Reply

"One does not become a billionare in a vacuum. It happens because they're doing something of immense value."

What does the Saudi King do that's of such immense value?

#210 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-23 03:01 PM | Reply

Donald Trump became a billionaire in the womb.

What did fetal Donald Trump do of such immense value?

#211 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-23 03:02 PM | Reply

"In stealing?"

Call it what you want.

Are you ready to pick up their share of the federal income tax burden?

#212 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-23 03:03 PM | Reply

"Are you ready to pick up their share of the federal income tax burden?"

Yes, with their capital gains tax.

#213 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-23 03:05 PM | Reply

Are you ready?

#214 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-23 03:07 PM | Reply

"Are you ready?"

Hell no.

I like the fact that they're paying our fair share of the taxes.

#215 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-02-23 03:18 PM | Reply

When somebody amasses a billion dollars in wealth..they should be given a party, told congratulations.. you won the game.. you are set for life. From now on any wealth you create can go to a charity of your choice or a national work..such as infrastructure.
Or you can take your billion and retire.. but there's no need for a few to collect all the money with no limits.... IMHO

#216 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-02-23 03:35 PM | Reply

When somebody makes more than $50,000, why should they want more? Greedy SOBs.

Anything over that is excess and should be given to those making minimum wage as they need a living wage.

#217 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-02-23 03:58 PM | Reply

"I like the fact that they're paying our fair share of the taxes."

So then why wouldn't like it more if their share got even fairer?

#218 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-23 03:58 PM | Reply

Billionaires should be taxed at a fairly high rate. Massive coporations are not"person's" they are artificial entities which were created in the first place to LIMIT the individual liabilities of the people they are composed of. For the corporations themselves to be given the legal status of person's is ridiculous and a perfect example of what I mean by legal theft.

Corporations should be taxed at a far Higher rate than individuals,this should be obvious. The individuals who.make up the corporations should also be taxed as individuals. They can afford it.
Capital gains are taxed at LESS THAN HALF the rate that wage earners typically pay. Why?
Theft. Pure simple legal theft. The rich players buy a favorable tax code for capital gains. Congress themselves are in it too.
Corruption is why the rich pay FAR less in tax than the working classes.
If Bernie can get the tax code right and push some of the worst excesses out,he will be remembered as a great president.
Congress of BOTH PARTIES is so corrupt that I doubt Bernie will be able to accomplish much to clean up the stink and build a proper safety net.
One can only hope.

#219 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-23 07:17 PM | Reply

DemoKKKrats

You're going to stop posting that troll -------- here if you want to keep posting.

#56 | Posted by rcade at 2020-02-22 09:08 PM

Ha, knew it would get to you at some point.

and your autocratic tendencies would at some point manifest themselves (something all leftists have in common).

Your site, you make the rules.

#220 | Posted by sawdust at 2020-02-23 08:09 PM | Reply

are you winning, sawdust?

#221 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-02-23 08:18 PM | Reply

Winning..

#222 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-23 08:19 PM | Reply

""My message to Putin is clear: Stay out of American elections, and as president I will make sure that you do."
#191 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

They must have considered that a weak joke. As in..walk tall and carry a wet noodle.

#223 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-02-24 07:46 AM | Reply

Every time in the past when a president expanded presidential powers his successor used the expanded powers. The only president in my memory who might not have done that is Carter.

#109 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2020-02-22 10:39 PM | FLAG:

Ford & Carter both used precedent set by Nixon's use of the War Power Act. Operation Eagle Claw was Carter's most famous executive action. Ford it was the Mayaguez (sp?) "rescue". It did not work out well for either of them.

#224 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-24 08:10 AM | Reply

You mean Russia wins Nevada, amiright?

#225 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-02-24 10:49 AM | Reply

--You mean Russia wins Nevada, amiright?

The guy who wants to slash fossil fuel production and exports, which would benefit Russia enormously, won, so yes, you could say that.

#226 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-24 11:08 AM | Reply

MSNBC says Nevada was like the Nazi invasion of France, so don't forget to sieg-heil your new Nazi overlord Sanders (that you voted for) Nevada. 'Cause he's Hitler. Ask MSNBC.

:)

#227 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-02-24 11:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Go BERNIE!

#228 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-02-24 04:08 PM | Reply

Democrat choices are a Communist or a megalomaniac billionaire. So Trump.

#229 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-02-24 04:18 PM | Reply

Democrat choices are a Communist or a megalomaniac billionaire. So Trump.
#229 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Would be good for some of you folks to actually get a clue as to what Communism is and isn't.

Otherwise, y'all just making yourselves look damn foolish.

#230 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-24 05:05 PM | Reply

To call Sanders a communist is just one of many smears that will clog the political radar in months to come.
Sanders history provides just enough material, however, to make that innuendo fact for rubes.

#231 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2020-02-24 05:09 PM | Reply

Bernie is a Marxist, difference without a distinction. QED.

#232 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-02-24 05:33 PM | Reply

Somehow I sincerely doubt that Visitor even knows what it actually means to be a Marxist. He gets his definition from Foxnews and RushLimbaugh. Even worse, I don't think he care. He, and the rest of the GOP, will lob words like that around as if they were Molotov cocktails over the coming months.

#233 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-24 05:37 PM | Reply

He, and the rest of the GOP, will lob words like that around as if they were Molotov cocktails over the coming months.
#233 | POSTED BY MODER8

I'd say more like throwing ---- at the wall to see what sticks. The Right has been falsely labeling Bernie as a pinko-Commie for years and he's now the leading front-runner to take on Trump.

Clearly, they are struggling with the notion that nobody cares that Bernie is labeled a pinko-Commie. At least for Democrats, they'd obviously prefer a pinko-Commie than any billionaire masquerading as a Democrat.

On a separate note, it really is interesting to watch Bloomberg morph into a Democrat (when we all know he's actually a Republican) right after Trump flipped from Democrat to Republican. Billionaire's are an interesting breed, aren't they?

Donald Trump:
Republican (1987-1999, 2009-2011, 2012-present)
Democrat (until 1987, 2001-2009)
Reform (1999-2001)
Independent (2011-2012)

#234 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-24 05:49 PM | Reply

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