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Monday, February 24, 2020

Conservative religious pundits on Fox News recoiled in outrage on Sunday after a left-leaning guest suggested that Jesus Christ was "more of a socialist" than a capitalist.

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Wasn't He the carpenter that invented nails?

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-02-23 01:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

(Oh. Yeah, that's why I flunked out of Sunday school. Please ignore #1)

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-02-23 01:12 PM | Reply

Well he did tell his disciples to spread the word around the region and not to worry about taking anything with them. Apparently the people they were taking the news to were supposed to feed and clothe them.

He was either a socialist or a freeloader.

#3 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-23 01:15 PM | Reply

By the way - Jesus was a Ford man.. We know this with certainty...

Because he walked everywhere he went.

#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-23 01:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 8

--He was either a socialist or a freeloader.

Is there a difference?

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-23 01:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

So, Buddhists monks are socialists? Good to know.

Jesus told the rich young man to sell everything he had and give it to the poor if he wanted to follow The Way. He didn't ask that of everyone, though the early church lived communally, but he knew where the man's heart was; he loved his money more, which is the root of all evil.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-23 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

This has all been sorted out.

I hope this helps: Jesus vs. Jeezus

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-23 01:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

... suggested that Jesus Christ was "more of a socialist" than a capitalist ...

This does not bode well for this summer's political sparring....


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-02-23 01:53 PM | Reply

lol... thank, CS. Hadn't seen the head to head match before.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-23 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-He was either a socialist or a freeloader.
Is there a difference?

#5 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2020-02-23

Depends on who you ask.

#10 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-23 03:04 PM | Reply

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Depends on who you ask.
#10 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

So its a distinction without a difference

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-23 03:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

So its a distinction without a difference

#11 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2020-02-23 03:18 PM | FLAG:

Again it depends on who you ask. A simpleton may not see a difference but someone with some depth to them may have a different answer.

#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-23 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 10

oh SNAP!

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2020-02-23 11:03 PM | Reply

What a stupid argument to begin with.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-23 11:22 PM | Reply

Jesus was a jew. His mother was very disappointed he didn't follow his father into the very lucrative oaken chest market.

#15 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-02-24 08:57 AM | Reply

The early Christians practiced a primitive form of communism.

"All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."
(Acts 2:44-45)

Presumably they were more intimately familiar with Jesus' message than Jim Bakker is.

#16 | Posted by anton at 2020-02-24 09:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

On the other hand, Jesus was also a horse thief:

"And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,
Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.
And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.
And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.
And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?
And they said, The Lord hath need of him.
And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.
And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way."

{Luke 19 29 - 36)

So, maybe there was a little Republican in him after all.

#17 | Posted by anton at 2020-02-24 09:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Repubs suck, selfish bastards even want to make JESUS CHRIST into their selfish vision of greed and inhumanity. They make me want to SPEW!!!

#18 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-24 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Conservative religious pundits on Fox News recoiled in outrage on Sunday after a left-leaning guest suggested that Jesus Christ was "more of a socialist" than a capitalist."

Who, in their right mind, would waste any moment of their life worrying about a bunch of money-hungry, bought and paid for religious pundits say?
I'm quite sure Jesus would have thrown them bodily out of the temple. These aren't "Christians." Republicanism is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ. Fox News addicts and right wing Republicans can argue otherwise but really, they aren't worth listening to much less arguing with.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-24 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of course he wasn't a socialist. He preached charity, not the government mandated redistribution of tax revenue, coupled with government ownership of production. You know who DID believe in those things? The Romans.

#20 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-24 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Paul Lander @paul_lander

A Pro-Trump talk show host said 'I saw Jesus Christ emanating from Trump.' Makes sense, just another carpenter Trump didn't pay.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-02-24 10:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Of course he wasn't a socialist."

I don't think the concept of socialism was a thing during Jesus's time on Earth but the things he said and did sure as hell didn't make him seem like a Capitalist. Did he ever mention the word profit? Did he ever mention interest rates? Stock prices? Tax breaks? No, pretty much he spoke of sharing.
Hey, and think of the killing he could have made off those "fishes and loaves" at the Sermon on the Mound!

#22 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-24 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This thread is interesting.

I just read something where it was predicted that the Left would follow this pattern:

First, they would argue Bernie isn't a Socialist. (X)

Next, they would argue he's a socialist, but not a pure socialist (X)

Then they would argue that Socialism isn't that bad (i.e. Jesus was a socialist) (X)

#23 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-24 10:04 AM | Reply

"Then they would argue that Socialism isn't that bad (i.e. Jesus was a socialist) (X)"

Then they would point out that we already have Socialism worked into our economic system, what do you think Medicare is right now? Bernie and the rest of us are only really talking about carrying out the actual plans of LBJ when they passed Medicare in the first place. Decade by decade reduce the age necessary to be covered by Medicare til it is available to everyone.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-24 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24 we already have Socialism worked into our economic system, what do you think Medicare is right now?

A social benefit is NOT SOCIALISM. Bernie sells the benefits, which are common among social democracies worldwide. SOCIALISM, whether it is Democratic Socialism or Marxist Socialism, is different. Socialism must, at it's core, include the nationalization (euphemism: public ownership) of some or all means of production. Bernie is on the record saying he believes in nationalizing some industries. He is a SOCIALIST.

#25 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-24 10:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

#25 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

I thought it was great when Liberals thought the GreenBayPackers ownership was socialism, because the people in the city owned shares.

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-24 10:29 AM | Reply

I'm still waiting for Musty to tell us Jesus was a capitalist.

You know he wants to.

He's one of those people who prefers Jeezus to Jesus.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-24 10:43 AM | Reply

Musty is an agnostic who can read books

#28 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-24 11:29 AM | Reply

It is obvious what they mean. Socialist = Communist. Socialized Medicine = Communism. Jesus was an outlier, he preached God not laws, Care for fellow man.
Someone should read the Beatitudes, spoken by Jesus himself and not filtered by the Paulites, or modern day "TV/megachurch preachers.

Redefining words to make them mean what they want them to mean is a well known ploy by bloviators.
Not one liberal is calling for a authoritarian communist dictatorship no matter how they want to parse words.

#29 | Posted by randomcanyon at 2020-02-24 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Ever heard of a kibbutz?

It's a 'village' or 'commune' that operates in a 100% communal manner.

Israelis practiced this type of living in Jesus' time and they still practice it.

It is the opposite of capitalism.

#30 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-02-24 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

A social benefit is NOT SOCIALISM

When Medicare was first introduced it was demonized as socialism.

FDR was painted a socialist. So was his New Deal.

Face it Musty. Socialism is anything anyone wants it to be at anytime.

It's the boogeyman used to scare rubes into giving their tax dollars to the rich for continuous wars and corporate subsidies.

You're one of those rubes.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-24 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Bernie is on the record saying he believes in nationalizing some industries."

Link please?
Bernie is a member of the Democratic Socialist Party, that doesn't represent socialism in the way you describe, they represent the Socialism as practiced by many nations of Western Europe. They enjoy better healthcare than most Americans and live longer because of it. And guess what, no one goes bankrupt because they get sick.
You may still be able to use the word "Socialism" and frighten some, mostly older people who don't know any better but the number of those people is shrinking daily. And, just for the record, Ronald Reagan did ads back when we were passing Medicare and he called it Socialism all the time.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-24 12:16 PM | Reply

"It is obvious what they mean. Socialist = Communist."

Yeah, Communism, as practiced in most of WEstern Europe. In other words you are full of crap.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-24 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

""Bernie is on the record saying he believes in nationalizing some industries."

Are we calling the health insurance companies an "industry" now?
Because they don't produce anything. They just push paper. It's not really an industry, it's more of a pointless, inefficient bureaucracy.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-24 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Are we calling the health insurance companies an "industry" now?"

So let's examine MforAll as to who it is going to hurt?

1. Patients....no
2. The uninsured of today....no.
3. Doctors and other medical professionals....no
4. Insurance companies....yes probably will.
5. Do Americans care if the insurance industry loses.....no absolutely not.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-24 12:21 PM | Reply

Bernie is on the record saying he believes in nationalizing some industries.

#25 | Posted by MUSTANG

As did the socialist minister, Francis Bellamy, the author of the 'Pledge of Allegiance'.

OCU

#36 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-02-24 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Then they would argue that Socialism isn't that bad (i.e. Jesus was a socialist) (X)

#23 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-24 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Socialism is just -------- you heap on the people wanting the government to spend tax money on them instead of corporations and war.

#37 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-02-24 12:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He can be anything someone wants him to be. There are enough words in the New Testament that you can make Jesus out to be a member of any political party that has ever existed.

"Socialism is just -------- you heap on the people wanting the government to spend tax money on them instead of corporations and war."

I would say that is a fair statement except for the negative connotation. To some people, spending money on providing what others don't want to provide themselves is not "--------". It's also not "--------" to spend money on things other than corporations and war. Personally I think it's a bad decision but we really need to stop using words like -------- when it comes to clear opinions. If someone has a different opinion, there isn't a reason to call it --------. This country very very very badly needs to change this type of dialogue.

"So let's examine MforAll as to who it is going to hurt?

1. Patients....no
2. The uninsured of today....no.
3. Doctors and other medical professionals....no
4. Insurance companies....yes probably will.
5. Do Americans care if the insurance industry loses.....no absolutely not."

Words cannot express how one-dimensional this type of thinking is. It's so bad that one would think you actually have to try incredibly hard to be this one-dimensional. MforAll isn't going to hurt patients? What about the people in universal healthcare countries who HAVE had negative issues with it? Do you just ignore those problems or, since it doesn't support your platform, do you just assume all of that is made up? Partisan haters are so quick to point at countries with universal healthcare programs to highlight the good but then completely ignore the bad as if it doesn't exist. Not to mention, you forgot to add the people who have healthcare today who don't pay a huge amount of taxes. If MforAll goes through, taxes will increase a lot (Sanders wants it above 50%)...so the people who have the free money today and enjoy a good health insurance premium will lose out on over 25% of their paycheck (factoring in their current 20% taxes and 5% health insurance costs per year). That's a huge chunk of money. So you are for reducing a large number of peoples' checks by 25% just because you want others to have free healthcare. That's insane. I'm not saying it's a bad idea...I mean, I don't agree with it...but actually admitting you want people to lose 25% extra of their paycheck they earn today just to pay for other peoples' healthcare HAS to be considered in the "who is it going to hurt" list. Otherwise, you are being incredibly shallow.

#38 | Posted by humtake at 2020-02-24 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Btw...I ignored the sarcasm (before anyone thinks it lost me)

#39 | Posted by humtake at 2020-02-24 12:48 PM | Reply

What were Jesus' thoughts on wealth?

Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!" The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." (Mark 10:23-25}

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.... No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. (Matt. 6:19"24)

The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, "What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?" And he said, "I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.'" But God said to him, "Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?" So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God. (Luke 12:16"21)


Enough said? He certainly had a socialist tilt but the word didn't exist in his time.

Personally, I'm a capitalist but I believe we need to take actively care of society. There is no good reason in this country for anyone to go hungry, without medical care or not to have a roof over their head.

#40 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-02-24 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

He can be anything someone wants him to be. There are enough words in the New Testament that you can make Jesus out to be a member of any political party that has ever existed

#38 | Posted by humtake at

Jesus the Nazi.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-24 01:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Link please?

Seriously? Have you been napping? He is right now calling for nationalization of the energy and health industries, and has called for nationalization of banking in the past.

www.cnn.com

www.politico.com

As for the DSA, this from their website:

"While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives."

#42 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-24 01:12 PM | Reply

Of course he wasn't a socialist. He preached charity, not the government mandated redistribution of tax revenue, coupled with government ownership of production. You know who DID believe in those things? The Romans.

#20 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

The Romans believed in re-distributing wealth to the poor?

Sorry, which grade did you drop out of? The 3rd or 4th?

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-02-24 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"While it might not sound as dramatic, what Sanders is isn't a socialist "democratic or otherwise" it's a social democrat. Social democracy is a reformist approach that doesn't do away with capitalism in its entirety (as, instead, socialism eventually suggests) but instead regulates it, providing public services and substantial welfare within the frame of an essentially market-led economy.

The key difference between democratic socialism and social democracy is precisely that the former advocates for social ownership of the means of production, and does not believe in reforms within capitalism (although it does support temporary social democratic actions), but in a revolution of the system.

The platform Sanders is running on is reformist, and what he is proposing is a US that looks much more like Canada, or Europe"which certainly are not socialist nations. "

qz.com

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-24 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think Neal Stephenson covered this quite nicely in Fall; or, Dodge in Hell.

#45 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-02-24 02:18 PM | Reply

The US military is as socialist as M4All. You can have both and not be a socialist.

#46 | Posted by bored at 2020-02-24 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jesus said you can worship God (nature) or mammon (money). That you cannot serve two masters.
The sign of the beast, 666, is gemetria for Nero Ceaser.

Christ was an anti-banker who advocated living in harmony with one another, look where it got him--the sign post for everything he stood against.

#47 | Posted by Hegel at 2020-02-24 03:55 PM | Reply

Bernie Sanders is basically running on the New Deal. These ideas were fairly radical nearly a century ago. The idea that they are considered "communist" now shows just how bonkers Republicans have gone.

President Eisenhower (a well-known pinko pansy) said in the 1950s that anyone who doesn't accept the basic principles of the New Deal is a kook and outside the mainstream of American political thought.

#48 | Posted by anton at 2020-02-24 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The most interesting aspect of this to me is how evangenitals plan to splain their theological perversions to their God when their time comes.

"Corporate Jesus" is an absurdity to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the Bible.

The whole idea is just stupid.

#49 | Posted by contrecoup at 2020-02-24 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He was either a socialist or a freeloader.
#3 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Ask any Righty and they'll tell you the former and the latter are one in the same.

#50 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-24 05:10 PM | Reply

Hey, and think of the killing he could have made off those "fishes and loaves" at the Sermon on the Mound!
#22 | POSTED BY DANNI

(Or CORKY)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus overturn tables in a temple because Jewish bankers were lending money at interest?

#51 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-24 05:15 PM | Reply

He is a SOCIALIST.
#25 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

By that standard, what examples of socialism is Bernie selling?

#52 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-24 05:17 PM | Reply

So, maybe there was a little Republican in him after all.

#17 | Posted by anton

He rode a donkey, not an elephant. :-)

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-02-24 05:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not quite in Jesus's time:

The kibbutzim were founded by members of the Bilu movement who emigrated to Palestine. Like the members of the First Aliyah who came before them and established agricultural villages, most members of the Second Aliyah planned to become farmers; almost the sole career available in the agrarian economy of Ottoman Palestine. The first kibbutz was Degania Alef, founded in 1909.

#54 | Posted by homerj at 2020-02-24 05:42 PM | Reply

As close to a political able as one dares try to give to Christ would be to call him a Christian Anarchist.

No respect for Authority,

Nothing but love for humanity.

#55 | Posted by Tor at 2020-02-24 08:11 PM | Reply

Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!" The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." (Mark 10:23-25}
Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.... No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. (Matt. 6:19"24)

The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, "What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?" And he said, "I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.'" But God said to him, "Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?" So is the one who lays up treasure for himself and is not rich toward God. (Luke 12:16"21)

Enough said? He certainly had a socialist tilt but the word didn't exist in his time.
Personally, I'm a capitalist but I believe we need to take actively care of society. There is no good reason in this country for anyone to go hungry, without medical care or not to have a roof over their head.

#40 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2020-02-24 12:48 PM |

If you do some real digging you will find there is a more esoteric explanation to this story.

First there was a city in the first century era that had a circumferential wall. The entrance to that city had a gate that was called "the needle". If someone tried to enter with too much packed on their camel, they'd have to unload some of it to make it through. So, the parable is somewhat allegory. At some point, if you're carrying too much, you're going to have to let some of it go.

Simple explanation.

#56 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-24 08:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--He was either a socialist or a freeloader.
Is there a difference?

#5 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2020-02-23 01:20 PM | FLAG:

Why don't you tell us, you're the atheist that still goes to midnight mass....

#57 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-24 09:16 PM | Reply

If you're looking for Jesus in your world leaders, you're an idiot. The Bible, if you believe it, specifically says holy ass people won't be running things, and that eventually the world will descend into chaos, mass death, and executions for anyone associating with Christianity.

#58 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-24 09:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#57

To be fair to NULLI, I'm a recovering Catholic who has consciously chosen agnosticism and I still attend midnight mass, yet only to hear my mother sing in the choir. And to be honest, I stay for about 30 minutes and leave right before the sermon. I've spent enough time listening to Catholic priests speak of morality WITHOUT the self awareness they SHOULD have developed after more than 2 decades of sexual predator cover-ups that they unsuccessfully hid from the public.

#59 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-24 09:25 PM | Reply

I thought it was great when Liberals thought the GreenBayPackers ownership was socialism, because the people in the city owned shares.
#26 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2020-02-24 10:29 AM | REPLY

Did they own "shares" in the police dept, fire dept, public schools too?

#60 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-24 09:27 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2020-02-24 09:25 PM | REPLY

To be fair to everyone, all of my family is Catholic. I was raised in a very devout Catholic home. I left the religion in my early 20's.

#61 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-24 09:31 PM | Reply

Right around the time the Catholic church refused to render the pedophiles to the authorities for public prosecution...

#62 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-24 09:34 PM | Reply

If you're looking for Jesus in your world leaders, you're an idiot.
#58 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE AT 2020-02-24 09:24 PM | REPLY |

Very true. and it's good to see you back again.

#63 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-24 09:38 PM | Reply

By that standard, what examples of socialism is Bernie selling?

#52 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

He's not. He's says he's selling a Pinto but he's planning on you buying a Cadillac on the lifetime payment plan. The old bait and switch.

#64 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-02-24 09:39 PM | Reply

--Why don't you tell us, you're the atheist that still goes to midnight mass....

lol. Where do you get this stuff? If I ever attended a midnight mass it was as a kid who was dragged to it by my Catholic mom. Don't recall if that actually happened, but it might have.

Did drop into a catholic mass a few years ago. It was nice.

#65 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-24 09:40 PM | Reply

The old bait and switch.
#64 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

So it's safe to say that the old checks and balances in our government and political system are no longer in existence, yes? That's the implication I'm inferring.

#66 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-24 09:42 PM | Reply

Did drop into a catholic mass a few years ago. It was nice.
#65 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

That's sick and twisted. Not saying you're sick and twisted, but that's sick and twisted.

#67 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-24 09:43 PM | Reply

lol. Where do you get this stuff? If I ever attended a midnight mass it was as a kid who was dragged to it by my Catholic mom. Don't recall if that actually happened, but it might have.
Did drop into a catholic mass a few years ago. It was nice.

#65 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2020-02-24 09:40 PM | FLAG:

You gonna actually deny you said this last Christmas?

#68 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-24 09:44 PM | Reply

#63 - good to see ya.

#69 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-24 09:44 PM | Reply

Right around the time the Catholic church refused to render the pedophiles to the authorities for public prosecution...
#62 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Glad to know there are others out there I can relate to.

#70 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-24 09:44 PM | Reply

He's not. He's says he's selling a Pinto but he's planning on you buying a Cadillac on the lifetime payment plan. The old bait and switch.

#64 | POSTED BY MUSTANG AT 2020-02-24 09:39 PM | FLAG:

Let's say you are correct for the sake of argument... You and everyone else paid for a Lamborghini with the trillions we spent on failed wars. So, stop with the "he wants free stuff" baloney. I'm not even saying I've made up my mind on who I'm voting for as President but I am saying we've been taken for a ride by both democrats and republicans. You can say freeloader all you want but it works both ways.

#71 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-24 09:52 PM | Reply

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus overturn tables in a temple because Jewish bankers were lending money at interest?

#51 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2020-02-24 05:15 PM | FLAG:

He did but for more than interest.. Mark 11:15... they were selling animals at a cheap price for sacrifice.

#72 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-24 10:28 PM | Reply

lol. Where do you get this stuff? If I ever attended a midnight mass it was as a kid who was dragged to it by my Catholic mom. Don't recall if that actually happened, but it might have.
Did drop into a catholic mass a few years ago. It was nice.
#65 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2020-02-24 09:40 PM | FLAG:
You gonna actually deny you said this last Christmas?

#68 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2020-02-24 09:44 PM | FLAG:

LOL?

Question. Are you going to actually make me hunt this down and post it? and number 2. Are you going to eat crow and go away if I do? An I'll actually post your comrade's (mattress) post about the beautiful religion if you make me go through with this.. You really want to go through with this? because im really busy and I'll have to do it on the nooner as this thread will go away soon. Holla

#73 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-24 10:33 PM | Reply

If I don't hear back, I'll take that as a kneel...

#74 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-02-24 10:35 PM | Reply

--You gonna actually deny you said this last Christmas?

Yes.

#75 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-24 10:40 PM | Reply

#73 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Lets say you did "track it down", that would make you one sorry ----.

#76 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-24 11:26 PM | Reply

That's sick and twisted. Not saying you're sick and twisted, but that's sick and twisted.

#67 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Whats sick and twisted about attending midnight mass?

As an atheist, I would like to know given you apparently have some experience.

#77 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-24 11:27 PM | Reply

As an atheist, I would like to know given you apparently have some experience.
#77 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

My opinion is that it's sick and twisted to consider a Catholic mass, especially MIDNIGHT mass, as something that's 'nice.'

18 years of dealing with that indoctrination in the face of massive sexual assault cover-up can have that effect; at least in my experience, it sure as hell did.

Thanks for asking. Sincerely.

#78 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-24 11:43 PM | Reply

Clearly, Jesus was American and his modern version is Mike Bloomberg.

#79 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-25 01:32 AM | Reply

"Clearly, Jesus was American and his modern version is Mike Bloomberg."

Actually he's Hispanic and his modern version is cortador de hierba.

#80 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-25 01:41 AM | Reply

"Clearly, Jesus was American and his modern version is Mike Bloomberg."

Actually he's Hispanic and his modern version is cortador de hierba.

#81 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-25 01:41 AM | Reply

#79

By that standard Trump is -------- Ghandi.

#82 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-25 01:42 AM | Reply

My opinion is that it's sick and twisted to consider a Catholic mass, especially MIDNIGHT mass, as something that's 'nice.'

Why? Even as an atheist, I think its a wonderful community event.

18 years of dealing with that indoctrination in the face of massive sexual assault cover-up can have that effect;

Did you actually face it? Or are you projecting your hatred, in the face of a statistical proabability of 0.01% of people have actually experienced?

I doubt its the "cover-up" as to why you are so "mad"....

Thanks for asking. Sincerely.

You don't seem to have any experience ... so its particularly dishonest of you.

#83 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-25 01:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For instance Rsty...

Do you still watch movies?

Will you watch them in the future?

I mean talk about disgusting cover-ups ...

#84 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-25 01:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I agree with Mackris on the church thing. I am also an atheist, but face it -- The church has much that is of cultural worth. I was in Italy again 2 years ago and once again saw the Pieta in the Vatican. It is so beautiful it took my breath away as it did the first time I saw it 40 years ago in spite of the fact that I don't believe in Jesus and Mary.

Nor do I believe in the David and Goliath story, but one would have to be heartless to not meltin awe at the 17-ft David in Florence.

And all the religious artwork in the great museums of Europe are not to be missed.

Then of course the cathedrals. Even though I'm an atheist, I shed a tear when I heard of the Notre Dame fire.

#85 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-25 02:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My opinion is that it's sick and "twisted to consider a Catholic mass, especially MIDNIGHT mass, as something that's 'nice.'
#78 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2020-02"

To say that I am appalled by the cover up of the pope and the cardinals of the abusive child molesting priests is a gross understatement.

However I don't understand how that negates the beauty of the Vatican and the great works of arts there. And this goes for the pomp of midnight mass.

Taking these things in does not make one a supporter of the crimes of the Catholic Church.

#86 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-25 02:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My favorite part in the Bible (paraphrased):

Jesus busts into the room and let's out a mighty roar, rips his shirt off, grabs a pretty girl and tongue kisses her, throws her down on the ground and says, girl, I'll be back...

Then he whips out a machine gun that has an endless clip and starts shooting bad guys.

After all the bad guys are blowed to bits, he grabs a pasty faced white guy and bows to his feet.

The white capitalist gives him a large stack of $100 bills and Jesus looks up, worshipfully, and says, thank you lord.

---book of mayonaisse, ch. 66, verse 6------

#87 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-02-25 10:01 AM | Reply

I thought it was great when Liberals thought the GreenBayPackers ownership was socialism, because the people in the city owned shares.
#26 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

I think it's great you see that we can use socialism right here in America and our flags don't erupt into flames.

The NFL are a great example of using the principals socialism within our capitalistic society.

The NFL are not purely socialism as defined but they definitely have so many aspects of socialism and have implemented many socialist principles such as revenue sharing, equal access to resources, and institutional support of weaker members.

#88 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-25 10:40 AM | Reply

On the practical side of Christianity, Paul said "a man who does not provide for his family is worse than an unbeliever". In other words, freeloaders are not welcome. Socialism is theft.It attempts to equalize outcome by taking from those who are productive.

#89 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-25 11:03 AM | Reply

#89 - you mean like young children and old people?

Yes, Jesus hated those freeloaders.

#90 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-02-25 11:32 AM | Reply

It attempts to equalize outcome by taking from those who are productive.

#89 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-25 11:03 AM | Reply

The central issue is a current system that DOESN'T equalize outcome for those who ARE productive.

#91 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-25 11:38 AM | Reply

Outcomes aren't supposed to be equal.

#92 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-25 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Outcomes aren't supposed to be equal.

#92 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-25 11:41 AM

The playing field is supposed to be equal for all.

Let's make it so and then check outcomes.

#93 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-25 11:46 AM | Reply

#93 | Posted by Zed If people had equal talent, drive and ambition it would result in similar outcomes. But people are not equal at all.

#94 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-25 11:52 AM | Reply

If people had equal talent, drive and ambition it would result in similar outcomes. But people are not equal at all.

Ah. It's the "they are less" argument.

#95 | Posted by YAV at 2020-02-25 12:00 PM | Reply

#90 | Posted by kudzu Your ignorance about basic Christianity is astounding. Christians are commanded to care for the widows and orphans of their communities. Back during the bad old days of the first century Christians in Rome were known to rescue foundlings, babies left in trash dumps or the street. They also did the same for the sick left to die, sometimes at the cost of their own lives. Unfortunately mercy was considered a weakness in the culture of Rome.

#96 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-25 12:03 PM | Reply

"Christians are commanded to care for the widows and orphans of their communities."

Christians are commanded to share their wealth? To be socialists?

Who knew?

(I did).

"all ye are brethren." (Matthew"23;8)

"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."(Matthew: 22; 39)

"All things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them." (Matthew: 7; 12)

"Let everyone who possesses two shirts share with him who has none, and let him who has food do likewise." (Luke: 3; 11)

"Give to every man that asketh of thee." (Luke: 6; 30)

#97 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-25 12:23 PM | Reply

#95 | Posted by YAV Values are important, some value achievement more than others, their carrier trumps everything. Others value the time they have with their families more, their job is just the means to provide for their family. Some only want to do as they wish, completely hedonistic. Basically to do well enough to get by in this country, one only has to do three things. Don't get pregnant before your married. Finish High School. Don't be involved with crime and get busted. Over 80% of the people who do these three things will not be poor. about 80% of those who do will be.

#98 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-25 12:24 PM | Reply

"All things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them." (Matthew: 7; 12)

Jesus didn't take into account masochists when he came up with that one, apparently.

#99 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-25 12:25 PM | Reply

#97 | Posted by donnerboy, Yes, Christians are commanded to be charitable by choice. A government taking your money is not charity, it is force backed up by men with guns.

#100 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-25 12:29 PM | Reply

#93 | Posted by Zed If people had equal talent, drive and ambition it would result in similar outcomes. But people are not equal at all.

#94 | Posted by docnjo at 2020

Neither is the playing field.

It makes no sense to live in a system that elevates people like Donald Trump and his family.

There are many, many people out there who could do much better.

#101 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-25 12:36 PM | Reply

#100

A free society choosing to in at least some part abide by actual Christian principles of "loving your neighbor" by providing freedom, security, and a social safety net is nowhere forbidden in Christian teachings.

And "commanded to be charitable by choice" is just funny. Someone with the right spirit is charitable, not by command.

#102 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-25 12:37 PM | Reply

"Christians are commanded to be charitable by choice. A government taking your money is not charity, it is force backed up by men with guns."

That's terrible! Perhaps if we were a more moral society, taxation wouldn't be necessary.

#103 | Posted by contrecoup at 2020-02-25 12:37 PM | Reply

#101 | Posted by Zed Gee, like life is supposed to be fair? A person's attractiveness gives an advantage. A persons religious background can ether be an asset or a liability. A person's talent can be an advantage. But being from a wealthy family trumps everything else. Life isn't fair, be grateful for the life you have, it could always get worse.

#104 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-25 12:43 PM | Reply

Gee, like life is supposed to be fair?

#104 | Posted by docnjo at 2020

A cop-out.

Life is rough. No reason to make it rougher so that the mass of humanity suffers but goons like Trump prosper.

#105 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-25 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#104 | Posted by docnjo

You're a fatalist. I suppose you won some sort of sperm lottery, whether you're honest about that or not. That's what allows fatalists to remain placid.

#106 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-25 12:47 PM | Reply

I doubt its the "cover-up" as to why you are so "mad"....
Thanks for asking. Sincerely.
You don't seem to have any experience ... so its particularly dishonest of you.
#83 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

One does not need to experience the trauma. Ever heard of vicarious trauma? It's real and, yes, it is the cover up (continued) that fuels the hatred. No direct experience, but plenty of glossing over and excuse making from the pulpit. It wasn't just a criminal cover-up, it was a cultural cover-up.

But I get it, you were not indoctrinated and had to deal with the resulting cognitive dissonance as a teen. So you're ignorant and naive to the situation.

Calling me dishonest is offensive. You should take my perspective for what it is: one opinion out of millions with similar relevant experience. Or don't ask for clarity when you're so flippant with the response. I have no reason to put on a show for you, MACKRIS.

#107 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-25 12:59 PM | Reply

It isn't surprising that most non-Christians don't understand Christianity when most so-called Christians have such a poor understanding of their faith.

And that poor understanding is also unsurprising since it is based on traditions of the church passed down through the generations by people who read a 500 year old English translation of mostly Greek writings and take those English words literally without checking the meanings of the original Greek words and their context.

So what we have is traditions that really don't even exemplify the English translations, much less the actual original Greek writings. What we have is a religion that makes itself about ourselves and not about God; about rules and behavior and not about faith, hope, and love.

#108 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-25 01:00 PM | Reply

#108 - that kind of talk is so old fashioned.

We don't need no stinking logical facts...

We just need firearms...and lies... Just like what jeezus meant for us to have.

#109 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-02-25 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What we have is a religion that makes itself about ourselves and not about God; about rules and behavior and not about faith, hope, and love.
#108 | POSTED BY CORKY

That's my ultimate interpretation of the church. Far less about having a relationship with god and far more about power and prestige. It's actually really pathetic.

#110 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-25 01:54 PM | Reply

#110

It's what we do on a daily basis; we make everything about ourselves.

#111 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-25 01:57 PM | Reply

"A government taking your money is not charity, it is force backed up by men with guns."

Under a King yes, in a democracy no. As bad as our politics are, we are still a democracy. Those who don't like taxes vote for people who share their views. Eventually, those taxes get reduced. Right now though, I think we've spent enough decades of low taxes that the people are ready for change, change like MforAll which will be expensive and will require higher taxes to pay for it but pretending the taxes are arbitrarily imposed just isn't true.

#112 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-25 03:57 PM | Reply

#112 | Posted by danni Those who provide something also control that something. When the government took over student loans, the cost of higher education exploded. Do you think that when the government takes over health care the same will not happen? We see expensive insurance now, while we still have a choice. Do you think that giving bureaucrats charge of your medical care will decrease costs? If so, there is a bridge I would like to sell you. The government does few things well. Collecting taxes is foremost among the skills the government possesses . Bureaucrats are answerable to no one.

#113 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-02-25 06:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Curing the sick should be illegal.

---around 30 AD, the Galilee Health Insurance company stated.

#114 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-02-25 07:04 PM | Reply

"Yes, Christians are commanded to be charitable by choice. "

Do you even read what you write?

"Commanded to be charitable... "

"By choice? "

So they choose to obey or what? Or they go to Hell?

So yeah. They have a "choice".

Nice choice.

#115 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-26 09:44 AM | Reply

Collecting taxes is foremost among the skills the government possesses . Bureaucrats are answerable to no one.

#113 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Apparently now they also create morons who believe in nonsense.

The government is good at many things (our government has even landed men in the moon) but actually not very good at collecting taxes. According to some sources the IRS is even on the verge of collapse.

www.nationalreview.com

Stop listening to fake fox news.

#116 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-26 09:51 AM | Reply

Are we really going into day four on this thread?

#117 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-26 10:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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