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One in four people will show patterns of antisocial behavior at least once during their childhood and adolescence. From stealing to bullying, lying, or even committing violence, most people grow out of these behaviors.

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"But for about 10 percent of the population, antisocial behavior never goes away, persisting into adulthood. In a new study, scientists scanned the brains of 672 people to discover that people who have antisocial conduct throughout their lives have smaller brains than those who do not.

Individuals who showed antisocial behavior consistently up to age 45 had a thinner cortex and smaller surface area in brain regions associated with executive function, motivation, and affect, when compared to people who were not antisocial.

By contrast, the research team didn't see any widespread structural brain abnormalities in people who exhibited antisocial behavior only during adolescence.

The study's findings, published Monday in the Lancet Psychiatry journal, suggest these differences in brain structure may make it harder for people to develop the social skills they need to stop them from engaging in the antisocial behavior in the first place, Christina Carlisi, a co-author on the study and researcher at University College London said."

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-24 03:00 PM | Reply

Sounds like Nazi science. Didn't they measure the brains of jews and determine that they were somehow less than? Mostly this kind of crap is eugenics bullschitt. It's usually used to somehow demean a segment of the population that the elites don't approve of. Just my 2 worth.

#2 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-24 03:26 PM | Reply

lol... this has nothing to do with eugenics, it has everything to do with actual neuroscience as published in the Lancet Psychiatry journal.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-24 03:31 PM | Reply

The Nazis also claimed their neuroscience was genuine. It wasn't. Until a link can be absolutely proved and duplicated the whole thing is speculation,not science,opinion,not scientifically proven,at best a hypothesis.

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-24 03:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The Nazis also claimed their neuroscience was genuine. It wasn't. Until a link can be absolutely proved and duplicated the whole thing is speculation,not science,opinion,not scientifically proven,at best a hypothesis.

#5 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-24 03:48 PM | Reply

Damn phone.

#6 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-24 03:48 PM | Reply

#6

You might find actually reading before posting helpful... just a thought.

The new findings had to do with which parts of the brain are effected; the process itself is already well-established.

(No Nazis were harmed in this study.)

"The study is not the first to link atypical brain development to antisocial behavior or conduct disorder. But it is the first to map out which areas of the brain may be distinct in people who only show antisocial behavior during early life as compared to people who exhibit this behavior across their lifespan.

To figure out which brain regions " if any " looked and operated differently in lifelong-antisocial behavior, the research team analyzed brain scans from 672 45-year-old participants who are a part of the Dunedin Study. The Study has followed the same group since age three, offering researchers unprecedented information on how people's behaviors change and develop across the lifespan."

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-24 04:09 PM | Reply

But for about 10 percent of the population, antisocial behavior never goes away, persisting into adulthood.

It's good that we have political blogs sites to keep them off of the streets.

#8 | Posted by 6thPersona at 2020-02-24 04:29 PM | Reply

A boatload of teachers would confirm the italicized statement at #8.

#9 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2020-02-24 05:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#7 I read the article. There are so many disclaimer statements that this is not applicable at the individual level and that the science is not yet "robust" enough to really put any weight on their conclusions.That I have to conclude that this is "at best"a hypothesis and at worst nonsense. Like I said before reading it.

#10 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-24 09:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Scholarly articles for atypical brain development to antisocial behavior

scholar.google.com

Don't hurt yourself.....

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-24 10:33 PM | Reply

More Nazi science,cleaned up for the 21st century but still nonsense. This is just a way to label and Target vulnerable populations. The autistic already have enough problems without all this "certainty" about their brain function.I ain't buyin' it.

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-24 10:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

's OK

Science, facts, evidence, logic... all passe in Trump's America. You'll like it here. Conspiracy theories and science denial are all the rage.

Reality is no longer objective, it can be whatever you want it to be. Nice, eh?

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-25 12:57 AM | Reply

I'm not a trumpie, but I do know schitt science when I see it. Did you notice all the hedging about conclusions and the fact that they said the science was not,"robust". Then there's the fact that this is one study, not duplicated.
Science takes time and multiple studies to be real. They stressed repeatedly that this study had no meaning at the individual level. WTF,if it has no meaning at the individual level it's not science it's opinion, at best,a good start toward real science.
Maybe you need to learn a little more about the scientific method before you call others ignorant,BRO. just my 2 worth fella.

#14 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-25 01:07 PM | Reply

You might want to re-read #7 and read some of the scholarly studies posted, "fella".

The basic insight is established science, this new study just identifies which parts of the brain are affected.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-25 01:18 PM | Reply

Bro. I didn't see any other studies that showed WHICH regions are affected only the one. Where's the duplication? Also, the other studies in the link you provided were only tangentially on point they were not similar enough to be considered duplicative.
Try again Bro, it's still schitt science in my opinion.

#16 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-25 01:43 PM | Reply

Were you born obtuse or are you just trying really hard?

Your original whine was that this was "eugenics", that it wasn't science at all. When it was pointed out to you that the basic science is well-established, that this is just identifying the affected areas of the brain, you start whining about how this new study is not yet "duplicated", rofl!

Maybe you should take your goalposts and go home.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-25 01:51 PM | Reply

I'm not trying to be an ass about this but I have serious qualms about these kinds of studies because real people get hurt when this kind of "science" becomes accepted by people in authority. It's like racial studies in a way. People are labeled by this schitt and real human lives get destroyed or their life chances greatly diminished by these labels.
I take this personally because I have SEEN it personally. My own life chances were hurt by being labeled as a child. These sort of studies even if valid often do more harm than good. Just my observation over time. Nothing personal, take care.

#18 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-25 02:04 PM | Reply

- these kinds of studies

You mean the scientific kind published in prominent journals, based on already accepted science?

It might be better to use the knowledge gained to develop therapy than to throw the baby out with the bath water because fear.

"That has implications for diagnosis " and for treatment. If these changes appear in early life, or from birth, then it may be possible to intervene early enough to make a difference in people's lifelong habits and conduct.

"These people could benefit from more support throughout their lives," Carlisi said."

The findings do not show that lifelong antisocial behavior is rooted in the brain, or destined from birth. It is unclear whether people who do show these behaviors throughout their lives are born with brain differences or if these differences develop over time as a result of the behaviors themselves. They may also stem, in part, from environmental factors like drug use, smoking, or diet.

"It is unclear whether these brain differences are inherited and precede antisocial behavior, or whether they are the result of a lifetime of confounding risk factors (eg, substance abuse, low IQ, and mental health problems) and are therefore a consequence of a persistently antisocial lifestyle," Essi Viding, a study co-author and researcher at University College London, said in a statement.

The results jibe with a 2018 study that showed children with antisocial behavior, or who are diagnosed with conduct disorder, are at an increased risk for incarceration and poor physical and mental health later in life. More research is needed to determine how antisocial behavior plays out over a lifetime as well as in the brain.

But the findings have important implications now for the treatment of juvenile offenders, the researchers say.

"Political approaches to juvenile offending often swing back and forth between punitive measures and approaches that give young offenders room to reform," Terrie Moffitt, a study co-author and researcher at Duke University said in a statement.

"Our findings support the need for different approaches for different offenders " however, we caution against brain imaging being used for screening, as the understanding of brain structure differences are not robust enough to be applied on an individual level," she said.

"Instead, we need to recognize that individual development can be one driver of serious repeat offending, but to also appreciate that this is not the case for all juvenile offenders."

Hardly sounds like creating labels.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-25 02:43 PM | Reply

Looks nice on paper. In the real world the "interventions" used, are stunting and brutal to the people being "helped",and even when they're not. The label of "learning disabled", "defiant oppositional"disorder, or "autism spectrum disorder", Is carried by these folks for life and affects college admissions and job chances well into adulthood. Don't try to tell me otherwise. I know better.

#20 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-25 03:37 PM | Reply

That's becoming more obvious with each post.....

So, with that philosophy, one supposes that trying to help anyone by advancing knowledge is always the wrong thing to do. Good to know.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-25 03:42 PM | Reply

I have no patience for people who deny or minimize the prevalence of organic mental illness in our society. The more we learn the more obvious it becomes that high percentages of people do suffer from mental health disorder. Deniers of the MH problems are no different from MMGW deniers.

#22 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-02-25 03:50 PM | Reply

I NEVER SAID OR EVEN IMPLIED THAT.Maybe I'm not being clear in my assessment,but I do believe that these sort of studies should be persued and effective treatments developed for these and other disorders.
I just have some "fear" that these interventions could be used for less than noble purposes some of the time. Not that they should be avoided altogether.

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-25 03:55 PM | Reply

nana nana na na. I would rather be Anti-Social than to suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome anyday... but that's just me!

:)

#24 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2020-02-25 08:34 PM | Reply

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