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Tuesday, February 25, 2020

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's visit to Africa last week marked a new drive by the Trump administration to counter China's growing influence in the continent.

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It's what the electorate wants. It's what Russia wants. Both Trump and Bernie want to give up the world.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-25 11:41 AM | Reply

he (Pompeo) warned African nations to be "wary of authoritarian regimes with empty promises".

Posted by lamplighter at 11:30 AM | 1 COMMENT | permalink | Comment on This Entry |

I thought he supported Trump?

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2020-02-25 11:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

@#1 ... It's what the electorate wants. ...

I noted more than once a couple years ago that China was stating that they were eagerly looking to step into the vacuum left behind around the world as Pres Trump's isolationism takes effect.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-02-25 11:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Both Trump and Bernie want to give up the world.
#1 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Senegal, Angola and Ethiopia, the US spends $1Billion a year on these countries, on a population of ~ 32Million.

I noted more than once a couple years ago that China was stating that they were eagerly looking to step into the vacuum left behind around the world as Pres Trump's isolationism takes effect.
#3 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

And you'd be wrong.
explorer.usaid.gov

You have to actually try to be this dishonest.

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-02-25 11:53 AM | Reply

You have to actually try to be this dishonest.
#4 | POSTED BY MATTRESS

As dishonest a poster as you are?

It's impossible.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-25 11:55 AM | Reply

Leftists would cripple Africa's economic growth by limiting their use of their own fossil fuel reserves if they could. Africans aren't having any of it.

"No apologies: Africans say their need for oil cash outweighs climate concerns

""Under no circumstances are we going to be apologizing," said Gabriel Obiang Lima, energy minister of Equatorial Guinea, adding that they need to exploit those resources to create jobs and boost economic development.

"Anybody out of the continent saying we should not develop those fields, that is criminal. It is very unfair." "

www.reuters.com

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-25 12:01 PM | Reply

@#5 ... And you'd be wrong. ...

Why?

From the page you cite (Angola), the aid was increasing under fmr Pres Obama up to $79 million in 2017.

Then under Pres Trump:

2018: down to $51 million (the lowest number of the chart that goes back to 2001)

2019: continuing the decrease to $39 million. (partial year reporting, not all of 4Q is in)



#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-02-25 12:05 PM | Reply

Why?

There's no one more ignorant and dishonest on the DR than A, Mattress.

It's clearly trolling you in order to fluff Trump's image.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-25 12:12 PM | Reply

I don't get Mackris. Disengagement was one of Trump's big campaign promises. He's following through.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-25 12:16 PM | Reply

@#9 ... Disengagement was one of Trump's big campaign promises. He's following through. ...

Yup.

Now that we are beginning to see the results of that disengagement (e.g., China stepping in and starting to replace the US in former US spheres of influence), the disengagement seems to be denied.


#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-02-25 12:31 PM | Reply

Now that we are beginning to see the results of that disengagement (e.g., China stepping in and starting to replace the US in former US spheres of influence), the disengagement seems to be denied.

Limbaugh just announced the Iraq war was the Democrat's fault.

Never underestimate the power of revisionist history and the Republican Party.

Reality is anything they need it to be at any moment.

It's the only way to explain the Trump Presidency.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-25 02:01 PM | Reply

Isnt China bringing the coronavirus to Africa?

#12 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-02-25 06:29 PM | Reply

1.) What engagement do you want the US to have? To steal their natural resources? Africa is NOT a good source of labor, lacks even basic infrastructure even if they were to manufacture something, and corruption makes business impossible if you are actually being forced to comply to FCPA. I promise you - NO DEAL GETS DONE IN AFRICA WITHOUT BRIBES. Chinese have no problem paying them - US is forbidden by law.

2.) Africa has VERY LOW purchasing power - so they will not be an important area for US exports, which are not really possible to do anyway without paying bribes.

3.) The only modicum of success you see in Africa (which most think of a sub-Saharan Africa) was South Africa (based on economic gains made under apartheid) and certain areas like in some cities in Nigeria that had success based upon oil or mineral extraction. As noted above - Liberals don't support either of these activities so what exactly are you aiming to accomplish?

4.) Africa is mainly just a dumping ground for US Aid programs and basically a 'jobs program' for upper middle class kids with useless degrees so they can pretend to be saving the world. This programs actually serve to keep Africa from developing as their local farmers/etc. cannot compete vs. 'free' ensuring the cycle of poverty remains.

5.) China's engagement is solely to benefit the Chinese. The do infrastructure projects with 100% of materials brought in from China with work done by 100% Chinese workforce. After completion, they turn over the asset which has no actual economic value because they use a 'if you build it, they will come approach' and that is not how the world works - the port in Sri Lanka being a prime example.

#13 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-25 08:59 PM | Reply

he port in Sri Lanka being a prime example.
#13 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

I'd say the ghost cities in the Gobi Desert are just as good of examples.

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-25 09:02 PM | Reply

"I'd say the ghost cities in the Gobi Desert are just as good of examples.
#14 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 "

Sri Lanka is actually a funnier example. Sri Lanka would never had leased/sold the land the port was on to the Chinese. The port itself is a giant eyesore. So, the Chinese built a port much larger than needed knowing the actually fees made at the port from operations would never cover the interest payments. So, they allow the Sri Lankans to default on the loan and then seize the asset. Pretty underhanded - so I guess that is what the lunatic Left wants Trump to do in Africa now.

#15 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-25 09:24 PM | Reply

And you'd be wrong.
explorer.usaid.gov

How does your link rebut what he said? Look at all the trend lines, moron. They're dropping like a rock.

In any case, I thought you were all for Trump's isolationism. What gives?

You have to actually try to be this dishonest.

#4 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

You'd be the one to know.

But you're just projecting, as usual.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-25 09:33 PM | Reply

Pretty underhanded - so I guess that is what the lunatic Left wants Trump to do in Africa now.

#15 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG

Hey Matress, you gonna whine about the dishonesty in this one?

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2020-02-25 09:36 PM | Reply

Seems like the author forgot really conveniently we had the CIA ship in a warlord to conquer Libya for us, so the Sunni and Chinese can't get their hands on it.

The civil war is still raging.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-26 10:11 AM | Reply

People don't appreciate how hard that was to pull off. We brought back in a Qaddafi era warlord, had him equipped and financially backed by Russia, and armed with Qatari UAVs, a country that split off from our Saudi-Jordan-Israel axis. It sounds like a plot line from Lord of War.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-26 10:15 AM | Reply

#14 | Posted by rstybeach11

You'd be wrong. This is about building new cities as the article explains. I found it quite interesting when I read about it a couple years ago. The narrative in the media was all wrong as they didn't understand how city building works.

#20 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-02-26 10:18 AM | Reply

5.) China's engagement is solely to benefit the Chinese. The do infrastructure projects with 100% of materials brought in from China with work done by 100% Chinese workforce. After completion, they turn over the asset which has no actual economic value because they use a 'if you build it, they will come approach' and that is not how the world works - the port in Sri Lanka being a prime example.

#13 | Posted by iragoldberg

There is one thing I agree you on partially. The Chinese know what they are doing. The Sri Lankan port for example is exactly what China wanted. Their own port right off rival India. They knew what they were doing. Same in Africa. They are buying large tracts of land for Agriculture and who knows what else. They are bringing in Chinese labor too. There are many examples that are going to be seen as failed project but at the same time exactly what China wanted - the resource built and back in their hands. The Chinese have a 100 year plan.

Frankly the Chinese probably think less of the Africans than Donald and his brethren.

#21 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-02-26 10:25 AM | Reply

Just tell the locals about the nasty new disease the chinese carry.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2020-02-26 12:17 PM | Reply

Gee, you mean like TPP would have done?

I'll never let it go after taking heat from both sides due to lack of understanding the China connection. TPP was the most bipartisan win in the past decade.

#23 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-02-26 03:30 PM | Reply

It's what the electorate wants. It's what Russia wants. Both Trump and Bernie want to give up the world.
#1 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-02-25 11:41 AM | FLAG: So why were not the previous administrations on top of this as China has been positioning there years before Trump was elected.

#24 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-02-26 10:35 PM | Reply

24,

Spare me... See 23

#25 | Posted by bocaink at 2020-02-26 10:54 PM | Reply

"There are many examples that are going to be seen as failed project but at the same time exactly what China wanted - the resource built and back in
#21 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE "

Sorry if I was unclear. The project is design to fail for the state that China built it for - basically, the near term cash will never cover the interest payments. But, there is long term value in the assets and there is not way that the country would have simply agreed to a land sale upfront. I will add - 100% Chinese materials, 100% Chinese workers, 100% Chinese food, 100% Chinese brothels - there is literally ZERO money returned to the local community as a result of the infrastructure build out.

#26 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-27 05:56 AM | Reply

"Never underestimate the power of revisionist history and the Republican Party. "

Now if we could only get Liberals to stop rewriting the present and step away from their fantasy world, this country could start to truly heal. It is going to take both parties to give effort.

Also, it is freaking hilarious to watch Liberals show their hypocrisy so much this term. I mean, Trump is so polarizing it was just inevitable but Libs fell for it so hard. All we heard for years from Liberals is how America needs to stop being involved in other country's affairs, whether it be military, economic influence, etc. But as soon as a Rep starts doing what they want, it's a terrible like. Just like illegal immigration, they were all for fighting it until Trump got elected and now it's a bad thing to them. There is even ample video evidence of Libs and Lib leaders denouncing illegal immigration or mentioning why it's bad and why we need to control it, yet Libs just ignore it all so they can continue their hypocrisy. At this point, it takes incredible effort to be as hypocritical as they have been this term.

#27 | Posted by humtake at 2020-02-27 12:31 PM | Reply

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