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Tuesday, February 25, 2020

Catherine Rampell : Unlike his preferred boogeymen (and boogeywomen) on the far left, though, Trump has actually implemented anti-market, Soviet-style, centrally planned policies, and he has used the power of the state to punish political enemies. He has merely chosen different beneficiaries (and victims) of his Big Government bigfooting.

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An ancient trotskyist with a heart condition is likely to do worse than John Kerry.

#1 | Posted by Tor at 2020-02-25 05:22 PM | Reply

Or some voters would prefer something in the middle, with progressive taxation and sensible social safety nets, all while maintaining the capitalist market forces that have made America strong.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-25 06:21 PM | Reply

Lots of bumhurt in this thread, mostly just damaging the front runner and dividing Democrats, all so they can say "I told you so" in November.

#3 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-25 06:46 PM | Reply

Another Sanders deep thought. You forgot to add that it's all fixed against Sanders. You're slipping.

#4 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-25 07:20 PM | Reply

Sanders has blasted a so-called public option, the trendy moderate alternative to Medicare for All, as a "failed idea." He's leaned on Medicare for All as one of his clearest policy differentiators.

But how do Sanders organizers talk about Medicare for All? When my colleague Elaine Godfrey sought them out, what they told her ended up sounding less like what the candidate himself espouses on the campaign trail:

They said they are clear-eyed about how difficult achieving such gargantuan reform will be. And they would be pleased, if not completely satisfied, with passing a public option as a compromise.

"The goal is Medicare for All, but we recognize, Senator Sanders recognizes, that that's going to be a process," Kristin Pack, a 50-year-old stay-at-home mom and one of the leaders of Our Revolution Central Kentucky, told me. "If we could get a super-solid public option that could not be easily upturned by another party coming into power, that would be wildly successful."

- atlantic

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-25 07:21 PM | Reply

#5 your colon is wide open and accepting, just accept the Sanders.

#6 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-25 07:35 PM | Reply

#5 Trump thanks you for your bootyhurt and your willingness to destroy the Demcorat frontrunner.

#7 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-25 09:21 PM | Reply

There have been socialist candidates for President every year since the 1900s.

Not one of them has ever won so much as a state let along a majority of the electoral college.

Sanders supporters need to stop listening to their fantasies and start listening to historians.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2020-02-25 11:32 PM | Reply

your colon is wide open and accepting, just accept the Sanders.

#6 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE AT 2020-02-25 07:35 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

This explains why you boys are feeling the burn.

I'll pass. You continue to enjoy though.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 12:27 AM | Reply

This explains why you boys are feeling the burn.
I'll pass. You continue to enjoy though.

POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-02-26 12:27 AM | REPLY

I'd rather feel the Bern than to have a stick up my hiney.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-02-26 12:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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I think you missed the joke or I didn't do a great job delivering....

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 01:08 AM | Reply

#11 - Bloombergs turtle beak isn't convincing anyone

#12 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-26 01:20 AM | Reply

If we only had a narcissist billionaire with a history of harrassment to save the day.

#13 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-02-26 05:44 AM | Reply

If helping the farmers is socialism, then any governmental help during a natural disaster would be socialism.
The average clear thinking American knows that is no comparison to anything Bernie etal wants to shove down our throat.

#14 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-02-26 08:14 AM | Reply

Nothing is being shoved down anyone's throat.
Bernie is calling for policies that many people want. Many people also don't want to these same policies. Kind of like the Trump tax cuts,to be fair. If Bernie can win and implement his policies. How is that any different than Trump or any other president doing the same?
You guys need to calm down. Repubs have had their way for a long time.
We are having the same hysteria on the state level here in VA, since the Dems took the state house.Gun sanctuary's and that sort of nonsense.
Sometimes you lose elections and policy changes abruptly and in ways some people may not like.
If Bernie wins the repubs are going to have to grow the F**k up. Thats it.

#15 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-26 09:23 AM | Reply

I can only support Bernies' ideology of FREE things for ALL when Bernie includes in his list of FREE things FREE INCOME TAXES and FREE SALES TAXES.

NO TAXES is a human right.

Government does NOT exist to tax us to death.

Government exists to protect us and our sovereignty from foreign and domestic aggression.

#16 | Posted by SJHamilton at 2020-02-26 09:29 AM | Reply

"If Bernie wins the repubs are going to have to grow the F**k up. Thats it.
#15 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER"

If you think the left has grown the f**k up and accepted this President you are living in a bubble.

#17 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2020-02-26 09:31 AM | Reply

You looney liberal radical Trump haters are so eloquent in your arguments. And YOU all dare to criticize Pres Trump about his tone and tenor while you haters make Pres Trump's words to be far more inclusive, tolerant, and much nicer than the decisive crappola you always write, or say.

#18 | Posted by SJHamilton at 2020-02-26 09:38 AM | Reply

Could you clarify?
Thanks.

#19 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2020-02-26 09:40 AM | Reply

ummmm NO.... In history, there's never been -- in modern times, ever -- a president of either party that's ever lost their mandate when unemployment was under 4 percent...

trump landslide train... stopping this November 3rd....

Git yourself onboard...

www.foxnews.com

#20 | Posted by Pegasus at 2020-02-26 11:14 AM | Reply

#21 Good thing we're looking living in POST modern
Times. We are in uncharted water here electorally,Trump has essentially proven that Anything is possible now. The country COULD elect a proud and open socialist, if we could elect a simple carnival Barker, with no ideas of his own, who lies, like most people breathe ,we could elect ANYONE. The old playbooks are totally and irrocovably.OBSOLETE!!

#21 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-26 02:50 PM | Reply

They can have a problem with it and still vote Trump.

A lot of Democrats are going to vote for Bernie without agreeing with his march towards European taxation levels and massive entitlement expansions.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-26 05:03 PM | Reply

Blah,blah,blah, entitlements,blah,ahem,freedom,cough, blah, exceptionalism,ahh,nurp, phoooey!!!

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-02-26 10:18 PM | Reply

The majority of those who want Bernie are craving the promised 'freebies' and the joke will be on them once they get paying jobs, as they will be appalled at what they will see deducted in massive taxes -- and then the crying will begin.

#24 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-02-26 10:39 PM | Reply

Sandernistas getting more aggressive:

Cops called on Bernie backers after bullhorn protests at officials' homes

The late-night tactics at private residences come as Sanders' opponents are increasingly calling out his supporters' behavior.

www.politico.com

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-26 10:53 PM | Reply

If helping the farmers is socialism, then any governmental help during a natural disaster would be socialism.

#14 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Wow.

So close.

Say, whilst you're contemplating whatever a person of your superior intellect contemplates today you should think about why the first 13 years of a person's education being paid for by the government is fine but the next 4 is socialism.

#26 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-02-27 05:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There have been socialist candidates for President every year since the 1900s.
Not one of them has ever won so much as a state let along a majority of the electoral college."

Sanders is no more Socialist than was FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton and Obama. Nothing he proposes is any more radical than the things all of those socialists proposed, did you know that not long before he died Roosevelt wanted to propose a second bill of rights:

"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all"regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

Don't let them scare you with the empty word "socialist." No one is proposing or even wants the government to take over businesses and manufacturing, the Republicans will try to fool us with scare tactics but we should defend against them by remember FDR.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-27 08:16 AM | Reply

"If helping the farmers is socialism, then any governmental help during a natural disaster would be socialism."

I have contemplated this all my life, I have a suspicion that its root is based on the premise that jobs that call for management, decision making, high salaries....should be mostly for the children of the affluent and the highest positions reserved for the children of the very rich. Is it a coincidence that so many of our Presidents, SC Justices, etc. have all graduated from Ivy League schools? Some got there on merit but most others got there because they had large fortunes to pay for it.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-27 08:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Don't let them scare you with the empty word "socialist.

DANNI

Socialist is a term Bernie and other Liberals use to define themselves.

#29 | Posted by Maverick at 2020-02-27 08:41 AM | Reply

"Don't let them scare you with the empty word "socialist." No one is proposing or even wants the government to take over businesses and manufacturing, the Republicans will try to fool us with scare tactics but we should defend against them by remember FDR."

At this stage of the game it's mostly Democrats and supposed left of center pundits that are trying to scare people with the word "socialism" while the right mostly just sits back with their popcorn enjoying the freakout. It happens here every day. I gave you a newsworthy flag for the rest of your post, ftr.

#30 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-27 08:42 AM | Reply

"Socialist is a term Bernie and other Liberals use to define themselves."

I won't speak to what "other liberals" call themselves but that is a lie when it comes to Sanders.

#31 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-02-27 08:44 AM | Reply

--Don't let them scare you with the empty word "socialist.

No one forced Sanders to describe himself as a socialist. He could've said "social democrat." That would have been historically accurate. But he wanted to be edgy and cool and radical and set himself apart from other progressives. Well, he got what he wanted and it might give him the nomination and cost him the election.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-27 08:48 AM | Reply

"No one forced Sanders to describe himself as a socialist. He could've said "social democrat." That would have been historically accurate. But he wanted to be edgy and cool and radical and set himself apart from other progressives. Well, he got what he wanted and it might give him the nomination and cost him the election."

Nulli demonstrates that he doesn't understand Bernie or what is going on in America right now. The world is passing you by Nulli, we'll wave as we pass but sorry, can't stop, got too far to go and too much to do.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-27 09:08 AM | Reply

""Socialist is a term Bernie and other Liberals use to define themselves."
I won't speak to what "other liberals" call themselves but that is a lie when it comes to Sanders."

The days of apologizing for wanting some solialism in our economy, as it has been since FDR, is over. Amricans are slowly realizing that the fear word "socialism" isn't an evil word, that there is a time and a place for everything. For our healthcare it is time for socialism though MforAll is not actually socialism in the truest sense though the VA is. Great Britain has a "socialist" healthcare system where the government owns the hospitals and hires the doctors and pays the doctors. Medicare for All is not that, it is the same system those Americans over 65 have enjoyed since 1965; it's single payer health insurance. It's just like corporate payer health insurance like we have now but without the CEO salaries, bonuses and perks or the profits for share holders that just add to the cost consumers have to pay. And personally, after all these years paying, I have little sympathy for all of those greedy ghouls who have profited by denying coverage or refusing to pay claims for all these years.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-27 09:17 AM | Reply

Socialism is the VA but M4A isn't? That's backwards. The VA is part of a veterans compensation. We don't give them much in the way of cash and make it up through non-monetary compensation, like the VA and college education support.

This article is too much fun though. If Trump is a Nazi, and now he's a Socialist... that's make him a National Socialist...

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-27 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#27,

None of those are rights.

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2020-02-27 12:16 PM | Reply

"Socialism is the VA but M4A isn't? That's backwards. The VA is part of a veterans compensation. We don't give them much in the way of cash and make it up through non-monetary compensation, like the VA and college education support."

VA hires doctors and owns hospitals. Medicare pays private doctors and hospitals to treat patients. The VA is more socialist than is Medicare, that's not a complaint against the VA, we should do more for the vets but I'm just commenting on the fact that one is more socialist than the other.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-27 12:25 PM | Reply

"None of those are rights."

FDR believed we had accepted them as rights, he didn't claim we had actually amended the Constitution. I posted that to show that "socialism" has been an idea supported by most of our leaders for a very long time.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2020-02-27 12:31 PM | Reply

I just like seeing all these rwingers railing at those Red Commie Green Bay Packers!

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-27 12:52 PM | Reply

VA hires doctors and owns hospitals. Medicare pays private doctors and hospitals to treat patients. The VA is more socialist than is Medicare
#37 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-02-27 12:25 PM | FLAG:

Hiring its own staff does not take something that is long term, contracted compensation for service and turn it into a socialist endeavor. Your arbitrary metrics are funny but ridiculous.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-02-27 01:34 PM | Reply

I just like seeing all these rwingers railing at those Red Commie Green Bay Packers!
#39 | POSTED BY CORKY

The NFL in general, you mean.

#41 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-02-27 01:51 PM | Reply

"The VA is part of a veterans compensation."

The VA is a socialist part of veterans compensation.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-27 02:03 PM | Reply

The definition of socialism is expansive when a Democrat is doing something, and exceedingly narrow when a Republican is doing something.

This concludes today's lesson.

#43 | Posted by JOE at 2020-02-27 02:17 PM | Reply

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