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Wednesday, February 26, 2020

Bernie Sanders faced more pointed attacks last night over his potential vulnerabilities than he ever has at a debate.

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He will repeal 2 trillion in tax cuts. Only 58 trillion to go.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-26 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But his rivals haven't yet forced him to explain how he'd cover the full cost."

Professor Warren won't. She wants to spend just as much, and apparently is looking for the VP spot.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-26 07:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie made a mockery of her for actually sitting down and working out a plan.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 07:52 PM | Reply

Not to be.a party ------, but how is Bernie going to repeal those taxes? By executive order? And I'm assuming Sanders realizes if he actually became prez he'd have to deal with Congress. Seriously, I don't mean to be disrespectful BUT this seems like a drift into tangerine trees and marmalade skies territory. Ideas are ideas, hopes are hopes, and they are powerful and good. But there is also realpolitik. It need not be the controlling factor in political calculus, but its presence and role certainly must be admitted to.

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2020-02-26 08:06 PM | Reply

I hope that leaves enough money for AOC's flights of fantasy

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-26 08:06 PM | Reply

#4 there's a plan for that. Bernie has described it.

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 08:19 PM | Reply

On Wednesday, Sanders squared the circle. He's not going to change the rules so much as command his vice president, who will be the presiding officer of the Senate, to ignore them. In a statement, Sanders said:

I would remind everyone that the budget reconciliation process, with 51 votes, has been used time and time again to pass major pieces of legislation and that under our Constitution and the rules of the Senate, it is the vice president who determines what is and is not permissible under budget reconciliation. I can tell you that a vice president in a Bernie Sanders administration will determine that Medicare for All can pass through the Senate under reconciliation and is not in violation of the rules.
This is a quite radical maneuver " arguably more radical than simply abolishing the filibuster

www.google.com

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 08:22 PM | Reply

So Sanders plans to bypass Congress.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 08:23 PM | Reply

Why not? Trump has.

#9 | Posted by bored at 2020-02-26 08:30 PM | Reply

#9 because it's wrong.

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 08:36 PM | Reply

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I think that's just for Healthcare.

Then there's the free college. Free other things. How much do each cost? Will there be a tax for each?

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 08:41 PM | Reply

This was the same problem as with the numbers in 2016... the tax increases on the upper brackets raise maybe 30 trillion over 10 years, the plans cost 60.

When one says that people would pay less taxes than the cost of their insurance now, that might be true, but it is talking about middle class tax increases without saying, er, middle class tax increases.

This problem is why Hil and Warren and Biden and other Dems propose incremental policy progression towards the same goals; you can get to the same place without raising middle class taxes if you go slower... but then, some people don't trust pols who say go slower, because, well, they don't trust anyone.

To which I say, trust, but verify... at the polling place. If they don't do what they say, don't re-elect them. Just don't give Trump another term no matter what else you do.

Maybe Bernie can flesh this out and put timelines on his proposals and show how other countries like Germany or Canada or the Netherlands do it.... it prolly took them longer than 5 or 10 years, though. Maybe it needs to be a long term commitment to a 15 or 20 year plan made by the entire Dem Party.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-26 08:43 PM | Reply

He can't win if he can't answer those kinds of questions clearly. Just like Bloomberg can't win if he doesn't clear up his extensive history of racism and sexism.

#13 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-26 08:43 PM | Reply

It's hard, though, for an honest politician to win telling the truth.... people don't want to hear the truth.

"I mean business. By the end of my first term, I will reduce the Reagan budget deficit by two-thirds.

Let's tell the truth. It must be done, it must be done. Mr. Reagan will raise taxes, and so will I. He won't tell you. I just did.

There's another difference. When he raises taxes, it won't be done fairly. He will sock it to average-income families again, and leave his rich friends alone. And I won't stand for it. And neither will you and neither will the American people.

To the corporations and freeloaders who play the loopholes or pay no taxes, my message is: Your free ride is over.

To the Congress, my message is: We must cut spending and pay as we go. If you don't hold the line, I will: That's what the veto is for.

Now that's my plan to cut the deficit. Mr. Reagan is keeping his plan secret until after the election. That's not leadership; that's salesmanship. And I think the American people know the difference."

Remember Pres Mondale?

Neither do I.

I remember the speech, though. It was a good one, well 'cept for that one line about "I just did"!

edition.cnn.com

Also, he was wrong about the American people knowing salesmanship over leadership. Trump is another fine example.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-26 08:53 PM | Reply

I love all this hand wringing.

2016 Hillary was the front runner and moderates wanted Bernie to drop out.

2020 Bernie is the front runner and moderates want Bernie to drop out.

He can't make the it happen? I guess he'll be just like every other president who promises stuff during the election and doesn't come through.

Meanwhile. Why should he promise less?

Did Trump lock up Hillary, not golf, get Mexico to build a wall, eliminate the budget by raising taxes?

Did Obama change the system?

Was BushJr actually the President?

Meanwhile. Keep attacking the only candidate winning primaries.

That's the way to beat Trump.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-26 08:57 PM | Reply

Just like Bloomberg can't win if he doesn't clear up his extensive history of racism and sexism.

#13 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE AT 2020-02-26 08:43 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

He did.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 08:59 PM | Reply

Maybe Bernie can flesh this out and put timelines on his proposals and show how other countries like Germany or Canada or the Netherlands do it.... it prolly took them longer than 5 or 10 years, though. Maybe it needs to be a long term commitment to a 15 or 20 year plan made by the entire Dem Party.
#12 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-02-26 08:43 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Canada offers basic care. No dental. No vision. Everyone who works has employer insurance on top of their provincial Healthcare. Canadians pay a lot of taxes and they're very progressive.

#17 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 09:03 PM | Reply

"No one in this world, so far as I know " and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me " has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby."

Over time, this longer quote came to be paraphrased and misquoted, most commonly in the form "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

In the column, Mencken continued his thoughts about the public's choices in reading matter and politicians by adding:

"The mistake that is made always runs the other way. Because the plain people are able to speak and understand, and even, in many cases, to read and write, it is assumed that they have ideas in their heads, and an appetite for more. This assumption is a folly."

www.thisdayinquotes.com

Conservative curmudgeon H.L. Mencken in a 1926 article that was, in context, actually referring to the rise of "tabloid" newspapers... which is pretty much internet news or fake news today.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-26 09:07 PM | Reply

#17

Like I said, incremental steps, scaled back services, but all progressive policy might be what is needed.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-26 09:09 PM | Reply

--Maybe Bernie can flesh this out and put timelines on his proposals

Yeah, sure. His radical base is going to be satisfied with a 15-20 year timeline. lol

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-02-26 09:10 PM | Reply

Bernie won't be the nominee. Super Delegates will step in and make sure of that

#21 | Posted by Maverick at 2020-02-26 09:11 PM | Reply

Democrats don't trust their own voters, just look at what they did to Bernie in 2016...........bought him off

#22 | Posted by Maverick at 2020-02-26 09:12 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure Super Tuesday is going to take care of the Bernie Problem. Who will usurp him on that day, however, is still anyone's guess.

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-26 09:15 PM | Reply

Canadian families pay about $3000 more on average but get lots of benefits. But they cant afford to kill millions of random brown people so the US has that going for them.

#24 | Posted by bored at 2020-02-26 09:16 PM | Reply

www.google.com

#25 | Posted by bored at 2020-02-26 09:17 PM | Reply

Those were for #17

#26 | Posted by bored at 2020-02-26 09:20 PM | Reply

Thank you. Yes. I grew up there. Lived and worked there until I was 30.then I migrated to America.

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 09:21 PM | Reply

By the way, Bernie's claim to never pay more than $200 per year for medicine is impossible unless taxpayers pay for the rest M America has been subsidizing the cost of the world's drugs. If that stops, there will be no pharmaceutical industry. It will shut down.

#28 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-26 09:30 PM | Reply

#20

Well, if anyone would know Trump's base, it would be his favorite troll.

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2020-02-26 09:31 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure Super Tuesday is going to take care of the Bernie Problem.

What Bernie problem?

Funny the self proclaimed 3rd party voter would care about what the democrats or republicans are doing.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-26 10:01 PM | Reply

His radical base is going to be satisfied with a 15-20 year timeline.

Pretty sure the Democratic Party would be happy to vote for anyone other than Bloomberg.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-26 10:02 PM | Reply

"What Bernie problem?"

That he is doing strongly, but can't beat trump.

"unny the self proclaimed 3rd party voter would care about what the democrats or republicans are doing.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Who said I care? Oh, you did. *yawn*

Funny how the staunch proggie cares about Trump and is always talking about him. But once again -- *sigh* -- do as you say, not as you do. Right, proggie?

#32 | Posted by goatman at 2020-02-26 10:06 PM | Reply

"What Bernie problem?"

That he is doing strongly, but can't beat trump.

You saw that in your crystal ball, did you?

Weird how a 3rd party voter would favor Trump. Seems like only republicans support him.

Who said I care?

Your posting history. Your claim you're voting for Bernie in the primaries because you believe Trump will beat him. Etc etc etc...

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-02-26 10:14 PM | Reply

#16 - not really. He needs a few more embarrassing beatings by Warren first.

#34 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-02-27 01:12 AM | Reply

"Until now, Sanders has responded to questions about his agenda's cost by focusing only on his vision for Medicare for All, insisting that most Americans would spend less than they do now"even if their taxes are increased"because the plan would eliminate their insurance premiums, co-payments, and deductibles. "

It's about the freedom to decide how much you spend. I don't go to the doctor much because I'm not a snowflake Lib who cries to the doctor when I stub my toe, so my medical bills stay low. I CHOOSE to do that. I CHOOSE how my money is spent. Bernie wants the government to choose. Yet, both parties are usually in agreement that programs the government controls are not run properly and that wasteful spending is rampant. So the Liberal solution is to give them more control? Bernie caters to one group of people, the poor. That's great, awesome...but America has more groups than that. And we are about everyone being treated equally. He doesn't show that kind of commitment or value. F Bernie. And I'm not against his ideas, I just value choice and equal treatment more than I do social programs until the government can prove they do things right.

#35 | Posted by humtake at 2020-02-27 12:39 PM | Reply

a few more embarrassing beatings by Warren first.

#34 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE AT 2020-02-27 01:12 AM | FLAG:

Post the quote of even one.

#36 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-02-27 03:01 PM | Reply

" I can tell you that a vice president in a Bernie Sanders administration will determine that Medicare for All can pass through the Senate under reconciliation
#7 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER "

Well, Bernie did get 3 bills passed during his long time in the Senate. I don't know what those post offices would be named otherwise so this was critical.

#37 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2020-02-27 07:29 PM | Reply

#7 I have trouble beleiving that. When anything gets the Senate I expect there will be 98 senators opposed, give or take a couple. I have not seen anything where M4A will replace campaign contributions.

#38 | Posted by Charliecharles at 2020-02-27 08:29 PM | Reply

Like ANY politician,
Sanders will likely promise the moon,
then reign in expectations with partial
measures, if elected...

That's my hope at least.
I think he means well for the Middle Class,
and want's to do right by them, its just his
math is somewhat fuzzy, and his expectations
unrealistically high...

Warren might be a good counterweight as VEEP,
as she has similar plans, but more concrete numbers
and ways to pay for some of these plans...

But CLEARLY, they cannot accomplish all they want,
without bankrupting the nation...

STILL....BETTER THAN TRUMP, THE CORPORATE SELLOUT
POTUS...

#39 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-02-28 02:53 PM | Reply

Bernie caters to one group of people, the poor. That's great, awesome...but America has more groups than that. And we are about everyone being treated equally. He doesn't show that kind of commitment or value. F Bernie. And I'm not against his ideas, I just value choice and equal treatment more than I do social programs until the government can prove they do things right.

#35 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

It must be embarrassing to be you.

Bernie is not catering to the poor.

He is talking to everyone. And as a socialist Bernie is all about equal treatment. Equal treatment for poor the middle class AND the rich. But each according to their particular needs and requirements.

The poor need more and the rich need less and should give more. It's not complicated for people with morals.

But even if he was just speaking to the poor about health care and education so so what? The rich don't need help. They are rich you big dummy! They don't need Bernie's help. They do need to contribute more.

Anyway. --. And the deplorables Humpy rode in on.

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-02-28 03:07 PM | Reply

"And we are about everyone being treated equally."

Nah. You are about giving a fetus more rights than its mother.

You are about school vouchers so some kids can have their voucher accepted at private schools where get treated better, while others get their voucher rejected from private schools and get treated worse.

The only thing you actually want to be equal is the flat percent you think all Americans should pay in income tax.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-02-28 03:15 PM | Reply

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