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Monday, March 09, 2020

Former Vice President Joe Biden has built a double-digit lead over rival Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) nationwide among likely Democratic voters, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.

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Biden/Bernie 2020!

That's the Ticket!

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-09 01:28 PM | Reply

"Among the sample, 34 percent of voters identified as Democrats, 29 percent as Republicans and 37 percent as independents"

I'm supposed to believe that poll measured the will of likely Democratic voters? That's plainly ridiculous.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-09 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#2 you believe in open primary results, so yes. Otherwise, you would understand that the vast majority of Democrats don't support Bernie.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 01:57 PM | Reply

"#2 you believe in open primary results, so yes. Otherwise, you would understand that the vast majority of Democrats don't support Bernie."

No, I have never supported open primaries. Only Democrats should be voting in Democratic Primaries. I don't really know how much support Bernie has and you don't either and "The Hill" isn't interested in reporting fairly anyway. Sorry to criticize your thread but it's based on garbage. Don't blame me for that I didn't conduct such an idiotic poll.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-09 02:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#2 | Posted by danni

I agree I'd like to see a poll minus the 29 Percent Republicl0wns anyhow.

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-03-09 03:01 PM | Reply

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner

I don't even understand what that means. Are you saying only Republicans support Bernie's nomination? I think it's the opposite really.

I know a lot of people are foolishly scared of Bernie but I think a Bernie presidency would be interesting.

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-03-09 03:03 PM | Reply

#6 It means she's critisizing this poll for including everyone, but is happy to tout the results of open primaries which also allow everyone to vote.

It's a serious logical fart.

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 03:16 PM | Reply

Don't blame me for that I didn't conduct such an idiotic poll.

#4 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-03-09 02:24 PM | FLAG:

meh, sick your head in the sand all you like, but the general election will allow everyone to vote.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 03:16 PM | Reply

The butthurtbernies didn't care about the other thread I posted about dispair in the mid-lower/middle class. But they're running to the thread about butthurtbernie's popularity. That about says it all about that movement.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 03:19 PM | Reply

Says the guy who went all in for a Republican.

Trust me, nobody cares what you think.

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-09 03:23 PM | Reply

Are you saying only Republicans support Bernie's nomination?

I'd wager the majority of Republicans support Biden.

They're looking for an alternative to Trump that isn't as radical as Bernie.

Biden is conservative enough for them to vote for.

Plus, Biden is (or was until he recently "evolved") anti abortion (he is a catholic), Pro war (he is a globalist/imperialist), and has voted to cut social security. These are very appealing to conservatives and the religious minded.

It's literally the Democratic Party becoming the new home for the moderates while the Republican party becomes the party for the extremely conservative, batshht crazy faction of America.

Also, the democratic party better hope they win 2020, because if they don't, America will be a different country by 2024.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 03:28 PM | Reply

#10 The butthurtbernietard coalition builds to a spectacular performace ahead. i can't wait to see what impressive things your (bowel) movement brings.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 03:28 PM | Reply

Pro war (he is a globalist/imperialist), and has voted to cut social security.
#11 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-03-09 03:28 PM | FLAG:

bernie is pro war this time around.

#13 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 03:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

the other thread I posted about dispair in the mid-lower/middle class.

The other thread is behind a membership/paywall and based on your summary is about suicide rates for people without college degrees.

If you actually gave a shht you'd support Bernie, who's trying to improve life for all Americans, and especially lower and middle class Americans.

Biden isn't going to do shht for them.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 03:33 PM | Reply

"Biden is conservative enough for them to vote for."

Women: off the table
Blacks: off the table

It's just two old white guys, once the identity politics have been stripped away.

Really simplifies things for us white voters.

Probably for blacks and women too.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 03:33 PM | Reply

bernie is pro war this time around.

Bernie hasn't been pro war anytime around.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 03:34 PM | Reply

If you actually gave a shht you'd support Bernie, who's trying to improve life for all Americans, and especially lower and middle class Americans.
Biden isn't going to do shht for them.

#14 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-03-09 03:33 PM | FLAG:

Reality star Bernie is a fake

#17 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 03:35 PM | Reply

Bernie hasn't been pro war anytime around.

#16 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-03-09 03:34 PM | FLAG:

This time he's talking about war as necessary. You really don't know anything about Bernie, do you? lol

#18 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 03:37 PM | Reply

Bernie Sanders cast votes affirming military actions in Bosnia, Kosovo, and after 9/11. He cast against wars after that, just to polish is Presidential resume, not because he cares. Now, on the campaign, he talks about how force is sometimes necessary, code language for saying he'll send the troops to die when he feels like it.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 03:39 PM | Reply

This time he's talking about war as necessary.

Citation necessary.

Bernie Sanders cast votes affirming military actions in Bosnia, Kosovo, and after 9/11.

Citation necessary.

he talks about how force is sometimes necessary,

Citation necessary.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 03:52 PM | Reply

You really don't know anything about Bernie, do you?

No, I'm not getting the million junk emails smearing Bernie that you are.

Have you noticed everything you've posted, like the sister states article.

Ends up being nothing more than overblown hysterics?

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 03:54 PM | Reply

Sanders' political endgame is Marxism. He'll never achieve it in this country but it's his dream nevertheless.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-09 03:57 PM | Reply

#21 have you noticed Bernie's supposed wide appeal has been revealed as overblown nonsense?

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-09 03:59 PM | Reply

#22

You want to say now that you were just trolling with that post or do you want to wait until someone calls you on it.... oops, too late.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-09 04:00 PM | Reply

"Sanders' political endgame is Marxism."

Funny how you never wonder what Trump's endgame is.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 04:00 PM | Reply

have you noticed Bernie's supposed wide appeal has been revealed as overblown nonsense?

No. I haven't. Feel free to elaborate.

Have you noticed Biden's lead was gained mostly thanks to southern states?

How do you assume that will pan out in November?

You one of those people who think Biden will flip Texas blue?

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 04:17 PM | Reply

No. I haven't. Feel free to elaborate.

Then you're not paying paying attention.

In any case, what matters is winning swing states like FL, OH, PA and other non coastal states.

So acting as if Sanders is better because he won CA is as shallow and poorly thought out as saying Biden is a poor choice because he won states he can't win in the general.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-09 04:25 PM | Reply

"In any case, what matters is winning swing states like FL, OH, PA and other non coastal states."

Since you brought it up:
FL went for Clinton in 2016, 64 to 33
OH went for Clinton in 2016, 57 to 43
PA went for Clinton in 2016, 56 to 44
(Then they all went for Trump.)

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 04:31 PM | Reply

#24

Nobody took the bait.

I need to follow my own trolling advice:

In order for it to be effective it can't be obvious. Some degree of subtlety is necessary.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-09 04:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm supposed to believe that poll measured the will of likely Democratic voters? That's plainly ridiculous.

#2 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-03-09 01:45 PM

Yes, because those splits came from the 540 voters in the overall sample who are either registered or identify as Democrats:

(Democrats/Democratic-leaning independents who are registered to vote, N=540)

DP1a. Who would you MOST like to see win the Democratic nomination for president? [NAMES READ IN RANDOM ORDER]

March 4-7, 2020 (RV)
Joe Biden 52%
Bernie Sanders 36%

I agree I'd like to see a poll minus the 29 Percent Republicl0wns anyhow.

#5 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2020-03-09 03:01 PM

RIF, see above or at this link:

CNN/SSRS Poll

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-09 04:47 PM | Reply

So, you can't explain? Seems like Bernie still has the widest appeal. Unless by wide appeal you mean amongst moderates and conservatives.

As for states won on Super Tuesday?

Biden got Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Alabama, North Carolina, and Virgina. (plus South Carolina before that.)

Which of these do you foresee him winning in November?

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 04:56 PM | Reply

"Seems like Bernie still has the widest appeal. Unless by wide appeal you mean amongst moderates and conservatives."

Wide appeal means among everyone.
It's strange how you don't think there are conservative and moderate Democrats, when they just handed Biden ten states on Super Tuesday.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 04:59 PM | Reply

"Biden got Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Alabama, North Carolina, and Virgina. (plus South Carolina before that.)
Which of these do you foresee him winning in November?"

Virginia I'd call a lock for Biden.
North Carolina will be close.

I see your point, and I even somewhat agree with it, but I'm not sure what should be done.
Should Democrats just not run a primary in Texas and Oklahoma?

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 05:01 PM | Reply

2 old white guys... looks like they both can have a stroke at any minute....

Typical Democrats... made the big play for women and minorities... but in the end..... you get...

2 old white guys... looks like they both can have a stroke at any minute....

#34 | Posted by Pegasus at 2020-03-09 05:04 PM | Reply

"Seems like Bernie still has the widest appeal. Unless by wide appeal you mean amongst moderates and conservatives."

Can you explain this a little more?

#35 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 05:10 PM | Reply

you don't think there are conservative and moderate Democrats,

I know there are moderate and conservative democrats. It's apparent they're the only ones who get a voice in the party.

Should Democrats just not run a primary in Texas and Oklahoma?

I think it's good to get a sense of what the general public is thinking.

But, I don't believe you should choose who the nominee for president is based on results from states your candidate can and will never win.

Swing states are important factors. Probably the most. Since they're the only ones that actually count towards determining the winner.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 05:15 PM | Reply

Since they're the only ones that actually count towards determining the winner.

#36 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

And this is exactly why we need change. This is why millions dont even bother voting, they are told their voice means nothing.

#37 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-09 05:19 PM | Reply

2 old white guys... looks like they both can have a stroke at any minute....

Pence and Trump?

Or is Trump considered orange?

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 05:20 PM | Reply

Can you explain this a little more?

Yea, conservatives have a party, it's the GOP. Take responsibility for it and work on fixing it, rather than demanding the democratic party become more conservative in order to adhere to your desires.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 05:26 PM | Reply

Funny how you never wonder what Trump's endgame is.

#25 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

It's a 2-step endgame.

1. Make America Great Again - he succeeded

2. Keep America Great - accomplished by Trump winning re-election.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-09 05:30 PM | Reply

"But, I don't believe you should choose who the nominee for president is based on results from states your candidate can and will never win."

I see the logic, but how to you do that without the trolls turning it into "the Democrats don't believe in democracy?"

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 05:31 PM | Reply

Funny how you never wonder what Trump's endgame is.

#25 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
It's a 2-step endgame.
1. Make America Great Again - he succeeded
2. Keep America Great - accomplished by Trump winning re-election.

^
It's not funny how you can never answer serious questions.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 05:31 PM | Reply

And this is exactly why we need change. This is why millions dont even bother voting, they are told their voice means nothing.

POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO AT 2020-03-09 05:19 PM | REPLY

Then there are those that vote third party and gets yelled at and are told their voices mean nothing.

#43 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-09 05:32 PM | Reply

how to you do that without the trolls turning it into "the Democrats don't believe in democracy?"

Live your life without worrying about how to appease the trolls?

Regardless, it's policy change that will never get done.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 05:33 PM | Reply

"Live your life without worrying about how to appease the trolls?"

^
The exact opposite of how Trump won.
Any reason you think the exact opposite of Trump's winning strategy will win?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 05:36 PM | Reply

The exact opposite of how Trump won.
Any reason you think the exact opposite of Trump's winning strategy will win?

Are we trying to win over the deplorables?

Or are we aiming for the rest of America?

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 05:41 PM | Reply

"Or are we aiming for the rest of America?"

What about the rest of America that votes Democrat and lives in Texas and Oklahoma?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 05:44 PM | Reply

Who do you think has a better chance to turn a red state blue, a centrist or a leftist?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 05:46 PM | Reply

#43 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Exactly. With the way our current system is we must decide between the Dem or the Rep candidate in the general election, but we should also be working toward changing the system Laura. I dont believe anyone is entitled to a vote, as I tried to explain before. I want every voice to matter. Are you ready to pound the pavement to work towards changing the EC? At this point in time we are faced with the reality of our situation, but it doesnt always have to be this way.

#49 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-09 05:46 PM | Reply

What about the rest of America that votes Democrat and lives in Texas and Oklahoma?

What? Your Socratic method only works when your questions make sense.

Who do you think has a better chance to turn a red state blue, a centrist or a leftist?
#48 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Neither.

The only way you can flip a state is if the candidate is from the state.

Carter won Georgia in 76 and 80.

Reagan won California in 80 and 84.

Clinton won Arkansas in 92 and 96.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 05:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yea, conservatives have a party, it's the GOP. Take responsibility for it and work on fixing it, rather than demanding the democratic party become more conservative in order to adhere to your desires.

#39 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-03-09 05:26 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

The Dem party is a coalition of many different kinds of thinkers. Your strategy of killing the party is confusing to me. You want to create the left by destroying the left? It just isn't working. Of all the Bernie folks, you're the only one who will try to talk to people and convince them to join Bernie. Even in this endeavor, you're essentially giving everyone you speak to the middle finger and telling them to vote Trump. Again, I'm not getting how this is a strategy for building the left.

#51 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 05:59 PM | Reply

-The only way you can flip a state is if the candidate is from the state.

in the short term. Otherwise, it just has to happen all on it's own.

colorado....red to purple now to blue. demographic shift and growth in the urban denver area.

Texas is likely to experience the same.

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2020-03-09 06:03 PM | Reply

"Texas is likely to experience the same."

But for the time being, they're still crowing about taking in all those economic refugees from blue states...

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 06:09 PM | Reply

You want to create the left by destroying the left?

The current democratic party no longer represents the left. It represents the middle.

America, for the most part, is a conservative nation. In a way, by design. (I'm not going to give you a breakdown of US history, so you can choose to accept this or ignore it)

Why do you, a conservative, choose to vote for Democrats? After all, the Republican party is supposed to be the conservative party.

The problem is, what the republican party use to stand for, in the days of Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt. Isn't what the party stands for now under Trump. The change began under Reagan, or right prior to his election win.

The problem is, the republican party, in order to win elections, decided to give a voice to the extreme fringe right. The evangelicals, the westboro baptists, the klan, the white supremacists. That's who the republican party now represents.

Instead of conservatives fighting to kick that element out of the republican party (which, I don't believe they can), they're now fighting to transform the democratic party into a party that represents them.

For the Democratic party to represent you, it has to abandon the left.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 06:15 PM | Reply

colorado....red to purple now to blue. demographic shift and growth in the urban denver area.

I completely agree with you. 100%

But.

That has more to do migration of people from California and New York to other states.

Less to do with who the candidate is. (which, was Snoofy's question, "Who do you think has a better chance to turn a red state blue, a centrist or a leftist?")

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 06:17 PM | Reply

"The current democratic party no longer represents the left. It represents the middle."

Uh huh.
Given the choice between middle and right, gosh, what's a leftist to do?

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 06:17 PM | Reply

Given the choice between middle and right, gosh, what's a leftist to do?
#56 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Who knows?

There are options.

Hold their nose and vote for the person closest to their beliefs from the two major parties. Vote for a 3rd party that represents them better. Not vote. Move to a different country.

It's all the available options in life that make living so interesting.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 06:21 PM | Reply

55

I see. That guy is a ------ and the only person I have plonked here.

And for good reason.

#58 | Posted by eberly at 2020-03-09 06:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Then they all went for Trump.

By very thin margins.

In light of that, what makes you think Bernie would stand a chance in those states in the general if he can't even win the primary?

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-09 07:03 PM | Reply

#58

That sucks, actually. You are at your best when you are talking about his employment status.

#60 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-09 07:07 PM | Reply

#59

Because Socialism.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-09 07:08 PM | Reply

It's apparent they're the only ones who get a voice in the party...

But, I don't believe you should choose who the nominee for president is based on results from states your candidate can and will never win.

#36 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

LOL

So your boy isn't winning and that means you're going to claim your voice doesn't count and other's shouldn't either...

Why do you guys have so much trouble accepting Bernie packs the appeal you think he does? Why can't you acknowledge that the week tent is far larger and more diverse in opinion and politics than the GOP tent is?

Because y'all seem genuinely shocked Bernie isn't skating through winning every contest handily. And you've gotta be pretty insulated to find yourself in that position.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-09 07:09 PM | Reply

What? Your Socratic method only works when your questions make sense.

His question made perfect sense.

You bemoan people living in red states having a say in the nomination process while claiming to be trying to persuade people in those states to vote for your guy.

#63 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-09 07:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Democratic Party learned from the GOP in 16.

Sanders was on the same trajectory that Trump was on.

The problem the GOP had was by the time they realized what was going to happen the only candidate who had a shot at stopping Trump was Cruz and the establishment hated him too.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-09 07:13 PM | Reply

Now that it's a two person race Sanders is toast. His appeal is too limited and a majority of Democrat voters are center left.

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-09 07:15 PM | Reply

For the Democratic party to represent you, it has to abandon the left.

#54 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Only if the left continues to play purity politics and refuses to work towards change instead of expecting a single sweeping movement to do it in one election cycle.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-09 07:16 PM | Reply

Why do you guys have so much trouble accepting Bernie packs the appeal you think he does?

I don't. Bernie packs the exact amount of appeal I think he does.

Why do you have so much trouble accepting Bernie packs the appeal I think he does?

y'all seem genuinely shocked Bernie isn't skating through winning every contest handily

He was doing fine. The establishment dems had to pull a quick fix to stop his momentum.

You can choose to ignore that if you want.

#67 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 07:17 PM | Reply

the only candidate who had a shot at stopping Trump was Cruz and the establishment hated him too.

Cruz was the establishment.

The republicans could have chosen to block Trump. They embraced him.

Much in the same way you have embraced Trump.

Who knew a failure and a reality television show host could make you run around carrying water for him on a daily basis. Amazing what partisanship can do to a man.

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 07:21 PM | Reply

majority of Democrat voters are center left

Says the guy right of Mussolini.

Everything is left from where you sit.

#69 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 07:24 PM | Reply

"He was doing fine. The establishment dems had to pull a quick fix to stop his momentum"

The Establishment = Millions of Democrat voters, apparently.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 07:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Establishment = Upper echelon Dems who convinced Pete and Amy to drop out in exchange for future political benefits and assistance.

Same dems who convinced Biden and Warren not to run in 2016.

Snoofy, if you need clarification, just ask.

#71 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 07:28 PM | Reply

And here's to you, Mr Joe Biden
Bernie hates you more than you will know
Whoa, whoa, whoa
Dems bless you, please, Mr. Joe Biden
White House holds a place for those who pray
Hey, hey, hey
Hey, hey, hey

We'd like to know a little bit about you for our polls
We'd like to help you learn to quell the gaffes.
Look around you all you see are blank, stat filled eyes
Close your mouth and hide until keep a good strong lead.

Chorus

Sitting on a sofa on a Sunday afternoon
Going to the candidates' debate
Laugh about it, shout about it
When you've got to choose
Every way you look at this we lose

Where have you gone, John F Kennedy?
The party turns its weary eyes to you
Woo, woo, woo
What's that you say, Mr Joe Biden?
"Joltin' Jack still lives, saw him today"
Hey, hey, hey
Hey, hey, hey

#72 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-09 07:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Senile Joe is going to lose in November.

#73 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-03-09 07:58 PM | Reply

He was doing fine. The establishment dems had to pull a quick fix to stop his momentum.

LOL you're as delusional as a Trumper.

He's not pulling the vote counts to win. Simple as that.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-09 08:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

you're as delusional as a Trumper.

Look in a mirror.

You're basically voting for Trump lite.

Biden is going to extend everything Trump put into place.

Just like Obama extended everything BushJr put into place.

You're content with kicking the can down the road and maintaining the disaster Trump created.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 08:35 PM | Reply

The Establishment = Upper echelon Dems who convinced Pete and Amy to drop out in exchange for future political benefits and assistance.
Same dems who convinced Biden and Warren not to run in 2016.
Snoofy, if you need clarification, just ask.

#71 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-03-09 07:28 PM | FLAG:

But the people can vote for Bernie if they want. This conspiracy is impossible. Even Russia is intervening to help Bernie win. The msm was all loving on Bernie.

To be honest with you, not a single Bernie Bro can even make an argument for voting for Bernie. So how is anyone going to pull the lever for him?

#76 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 08:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's amazing how quick you are to blame Russia for interfering with elections.

But can't see it when the DNC does it.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

According to what you're saying, everyone loves Bernie.

So why don't you agree that voters would turn to Bernie as there are fewer candidates in the race?

#78 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 09:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Establishment = Upper echelon Dems who convinced Pete and Amy to drop out in exchange for future political benefits and assistance."

Paid in WTC gold, no doubt.

Why can't you give Pete and Amy credit for failing all on their own?

Why can't you see Pete and Amy have ten times more in common with Biden than Sanders?

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-09 09:17 PM | Reply

The two party "system" will inevitably lead to a dictatorship over time. That's why almost no other countries use our system, in a word,it sucks.
Voters have to accept a great deal of disenfranchisement at the state level with winner take all elections. This causes voter apathy and disengagement to become widespread because they don't feel represented by anyone running. The simple fact is that they're not.
Venezuela's elections were considered to be fraudulent by the american state department because they were boycotted by the right wing opposition. Independent observers said those elections were free and fair. Who is right?
If 100,000,000 Americans are boycotting our elections,are they free and fair when our state department says otherwise about Venezuela?
Maybe we should consider scrapping the constitution and start over with a new one.
Proportional representation and a parliamentary system would be far more just .
If America was a 3rd world country we would consider it's government to be corrupt and oppressive,ripe for regime change. LOL.

#80 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-09 09:36 PM | Reply

Warnings on dictatorship from someone pushing the loner candidate? That's rich.

#81 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 09:56 PM | Reply

No Bruce, "rich" is the Republican you shilled for until he won the American Samoa caucus and dropped out of the race.

#82 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-09 10:00 PM | Reply

Bloomberg has already accomplished more for the world than Bernie ever will.

#83 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 10:01 PM | Reply

Bloomberg has already accomplished more for the world than Bernie ever will.

POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-03-09 10:01 PM | REPLY

Like what?? Made rich people richer and poor people poorer and makes people give him high praise with the proverbial seal clap.

#84 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-09 10:14 PM | Reply

why don't you agree that voters would turn to Bernie as there are fewer candidates in the race?
#78 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

If you don't understand how Pete and Amy dropping out boosted Biden, then what's the point of this discussion.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 10:33 PM | Reply

#84 no, that's Bernie that did that. He was in congress writing the rules that let Bloomberg get rich.

Bloomberg took that money and did good things in the community. That includes getting Dems elected.

Bernie used his fame and his followers donations to pay himself to write a book and then he kept all the profits. He also paid his wife directly with campaign funds. Bloomberg didn't steal his wealth like Bernie did.

#86 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 10:34 PM | Reply

If you don't understand how Pete and Amy dropping out boosted Biden, then what's the point of this discussion.

#85 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-03-09 10:33 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You can't really have it every way.

If Pete and Amy had voters who would never vote Bernie, and everyone else had voters who would never vote Bernie, then nobody but the Bernie Bros would ever vote Bernie.

So you're now arguing that nobody really wants to vote Bernie.

#87 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 10:36 PM | Reply

But can't see it when the DNC does it.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-03-09 09:02 PM | REPLY

False sense of moral superiority. They don't want to admit their hands are equally dirty.

#88 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-09 10:38 PM | Reply

Bruce you are as useful as my dead nus are. Vamoose now. Go play with your Hulk costume. You're hopeless.

#89 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-09 10:41 PM | Reply

False sense of moral superiority. They don't want to admit their hands are equally dirty.

#88 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2020-03-09 10:38 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Oh, the irony is just too much.

#90 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 10:42 PM | Reply

In a country with the Coronavirus gaining victims at a rapid rate it would seem to me that a universal healthcare system for all would be the most useful and necessary thing and that is what Bernie is pushing. Y'all can say he can't win....blah, blah, blah. If he is running against Donald Trump who is more concerned about the word socialism than he is in the health of this nation Bernie can and will win and I really have not been impressed by any argument in this thread to the contrary.
The value of such a healthcare system would be quite obvious to everyone in this country, I personally hate the idea that when I have to go out in public so many of the people I intermingle with have no healthcare insurance at all.
I'll be honest though, I actually preferred Elizabeth Warren but she's out of the race so Bernie is who we got to represent the real needs of the American people. Some say we can't afford it, I tell them we can't afford not to have it, if we have to cut back the military then so be it. This won't be the last such virus and this one is not just going to disappear, things are not going to return to normal any time soon. We need to look at healthcare today the same way we looked at winning WWII in the 1940's because viruses are the real threat to us and our way of life.
Those supporting Biden....what has Joe Biden done or proposed that makes you think he is who we need? I just don't see it. He has defended the interests of the rich and the corporations too many times to pretend he is really someone who would put the welfare of average Americans first if by doing so he has to offend his rich donors.
I don't hate him but I just don't want him to be President.

#91 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-09 10:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

you're now arguing that nobody really wants to vote Bernie.

Bruce. Your arguments come with so much straw.

You seem to go out of your way to misunderstand my point.

#92 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 10:49 PM | Reply

In a country with the Coronavirus gaining victims at a rapid rate it would seem to me that a universal healthcare system for all would be the most useful and necessary thing and that is what Bernie is pushing. Y'all can say he can't win....blah, blah, blah. If he is running against Donald Trump who is more concerned about the word socialism than he is in the health of this nation Bernie can and will win and I really have not been impressed by any argument in this thread to the contrary.
The value of such a healthcare system would be quite obvious to everyone in this country, I personally hate the idea that when I have to go out in public so many of the people I intermingle with have no healthcare insurance at all.
I'll be honest though, I actually preferred Elizabeth Warren but she's out of the race so Bernie is who we got to represent the real needs of the American people. Some say we can't afford it, I tell them we can't afford not to have it, if we have to cut back the military then so be it. This won't be the last such virus and this one is not just going to disappear, things are not going to return to normal any time soon. We need to look at healthcare today the same way we looked at winning WWII in the 1940's because viruses are the real threat to us and our way of life.
Those supporting Biden....what has Joe Biden done or proposed that makes you think he is who we need? I just don't see it. He has defended the interests of the rich and the corporations too many times to pretend he is really someone who would put the welfare of average Americans first if by doing so he has to offend his rich donors.
I don't hate him but I just don't want him to be President.

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-03-09 10:45 PM | REPLY

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO MUCH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#93 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-09 10:50 PM | Reply

what has Joe Biden done or proposed that makes you think he is who we need?

He's promised to not do anything to upset the rich or help the poor.

He's the perfect Democratic candidate.

#94 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 10:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Your keys are sticking again, laura, as is your caps lock.

You really need to fix that.

#95 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-09 10:58 PM | Reply

Lots of people are saying BErnie can't win but quite honestly, he won't lose. The American people want real answers, real solutions. Bernie is an old man but that is what he, unlike Biden or Trump, is proposing. The average American will be quite capable of understanding that, Americans aren't stupid. When it comes to a threat on their families, their elderly parents, etc. they will follow even an old man. I don't think Bernie would win with a small majority, he would win in a landslide of proportions we have never seen since FDR. And let's be honest here, who carries the banner of the New Deal?
Joe Biden....hardly. Trump....ridiculous. Bernie???? Yes he does whether the leadership of the DNC likes it or not. Bernie needs to put his commitment to the New Deal forward in his speeches and commercials. Quit attacking Biden, most voters already know who he is. Start waving the banner of the New Deal, start reminding Democrats why we are Democrats. Because FDR.

#96 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-09 11:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO MUCH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#93 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2020-03-09 10:50 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Trump Jr will just defund it.

You guys are so dumb.

Nobody should listen to any of you.

#97 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 11:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump Jr

Trump Jr?

Is that who you're voting for in 2024?

Good to know.

#98 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-09 11:11 PM | Reply

Bruce. Your arguments come with so much straw.
You seem to go out of your way to misunderstand my point.

#92 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-03-09 10:49 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You can't expect me to understand this without you explaining it.

I'm just trying to connect the dots you've drawn.

#99 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 11:12 PM | Reply

You miss the point Clown.

#100 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-09 11:13 PM | Reply

"Trump Jr will just defund it.
You guys are so dumb.
Nobody should listen to any of you."

I don't know or care what happened to Bruce, I thought he used to be fairly reasonable but lately he has turned into a nut care.
Trump Jr.??????
OMG!!! You are really crazy Bruce seek help.

#101 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-09 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Is that who you're voting for in 2024?
Good to know.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

I'll ask again: Can't you come up with a new schtick? This one is really retarded, especially considering it's been your mainstay for many years.

#102 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-09 11:18 PM | Reply

Bernie???? Yes he does whether the leadership of the DNC likes it or not. Bernie needs to put his commitment to the New Deal forward in his speeches and commercials.

Bernie might consider joining the Democratic Party (again). He said he would stay in last time but he didn't. Might be one of his problems with the DNC.

#103 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-03-09 11:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#103. Redial

I nominate that post for ROC's highly coveted Moment of Clarity for the day' post.

The Dem establishment opposing an interloper and supporting a decades-long lifelong party member? The horrors! It's rigged !!!!

#104 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-09 11:34 PM | Reply

#79 | Posted by snoofy

Pizza and gates and Ukraine emails are involved too!

/snark off

#105 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-10 12:26 AM | Reply

#101 my point is that these things are defunded by politicians.

Trump literally did this. Defunded all Obama things. It's one reason why COVID-19 is so bad.

Now you are playing stupid about our current reality. As if you don't understand this is the political reality.

Bernie isn't good for anything. His cult of personality leads to this logical disconnect.

The person who will bring universal Healthcare will be a person who is bold and who is able to unite all Americans. Bernie is not this man.

#106 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-10 12:34 AM | Reply

So why don't you agree that voters would turn to Bernie as there are fewer candidates in the race?

#78 | Posted by BruceBanner

Yep. Dem primary voters have TWO choices. Bernie isn't matching Biden's voter surge.

#107 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-10 12:35 AM | Reply

I don't know or care what happened to Bruce, I thought he used to be fairly reasonable but lately he has turned into a nut care.
OMG!!! You are really crazy Bruce seek help.
#101 | POSTED BY DANNI

Newsworthy Danni.

Bruce is a Republican. The thought of Bernie winning the primaries has made him lose his mind.

He should vote for Trump, since Trump more closely aligns with Bruce's worldviews.

#108 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-10 12:51 AM | Reply

The Dem establishment opposing an interloper and supporting a decades-long lifelong party member? The horrors! It's rigged !!!!
#104 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

If the Democratic establishment didn't want Bernie in the primaries they shouldn't have allowed him to join.

Seems odd to allow Bernie to join the Democratic primaries, then suddenly sabotage him because he's winning.

But. You're a Republican. So cheating comes as natural to you as breathing the air.

#109 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-10 12:54 AM | Reply

Bernie isn't good for anything.
#106 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

He's definitely not good for the oligarchy you support.

#110 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-10 12:55 AM | Reply

"The person who will bring universal Healthcare will be a person who is bold and who is able to unite all Americans. Bernie is not this man.

"
It might actually be Trump, if our health care "system" collapses under the weight of too many old people with no money to pay for the days and weeks they'll be living in the hospital.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-10 12:56 AM | Reply

Dem primary voters have TWO choices. Bernie isn't matching Biden's voter surge.

More lies from AU.

Desperation is ugly, AU.

The next election will be the first with two choices.

The last election was sabotaged in order to tip the primaries to Biden's advantage.

#112 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-10 12:57 AM | Reply

It might actually be Trump,

Well. When it comes down to it.

Bruce would vote for Trump over Bernie.

#113 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-10 12:59 AM | Reply

Trump and Bernie are populists and that's not my thing. I prefer concrete plans to help the average American.

Biden is too Right for my preferences but I think he will listen to his advisors and make some good choices.

#114 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-10 01:05 AM | Reply

#103

Nailed it.

#115 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-10 01:05 AM | Reply

"The last election was sabotaged in order to tip the primaries to Biden's advantage."

I can't stand it, I know ya planned it
Imma set it straight, this Watergate
--Clownshack

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-10 01:06 AM | Reply

I don't even like Bernie that much, but he's the only choice on the Dem side who didn't vote for Bush's Iraq War. Meanwhile every time someone turns on a microwave Biden ----- his Depends and forgets where he's at, then challenges one of his poor chubby supporters to a push up contest.

Biden's a cream puff compared to Hillary. This just doesn't feel like it's going to end well at all for the Democrats.

#117 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-03-10 04:30 AM | Reply

Bernie might consider joining the Democratic Party (again). He said he would stay in last time but he didn't. Might be one of his problems with the DNC.

Bernie's "problem" with the DNC isn't his party membership status. It's that he actually walks the walk when it comes to the values and policies the DNC claims to espouse, which exposes and embarrasses the frauds they tend to promote.

#118 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-10 09:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Walking the walk is getting things done and getting into the weeds of law making.

Bernie has failed. His life is nearly over and he did nothing with it. He harmed the left more than anyone.

#119 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-10 09:30 AM | Reply

Walking the walk is getting things done and getting into the weeds of law making.

Which for 95% of Democrats means giving away most of your bargaining chips before you even get to the table.

Part of walking the walk when it comes to left policy is actually demanding we enter the first world. Your brand of Republican-Lite absolutely fails in that regard.

#120 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-10 09:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

lol. Bernie's surrogates were out rolling back his platform to something at least remotely plausible before he even hit Super Tuesday.

#121 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-10 10:05 AM | Reply

#117. LoD. Great "Christmas Vacation" reference.

#122 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-10 01:18 PM | Reply

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