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Tuesday, March 10, 2020

Former Vice President Joe Biden got into a heated exchange with a worker over gun rights during a tour of a Detroit auto plant on Tuesday. The worker, among a group surrounding Biden in their hardhats at the Fiat Chrysler plant, accused Biden of "actively trying to end our Second Amendment right" and "take away our guns" in the exchange, which was caught on video. "You're full of ----," Biden responded. "I support the Second Amendment." He then appeared to tell an aide who was trying to end the conversation to "shush."

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"I'm going to go out and slap you in the face."

Is this some kind of old-timey voter outreach?

Yikes.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-10 05:12 PM | Reply

--After denying the claim,

He either was lying or he had another of his daily senior moments. I'm wondering when these leftish "professional" organizations like the American Psychological Association publish a letter signed by the usual number--about a 1000, questioning Biden's cognitive health.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-03-10 05:21 PM | Reply

He's unhinged. If Bernie had done that they would have a field day.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-10 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Waiting for righties to call for respect and civility.

Well, except Nulli. He's too dishonest for one to expect consistency.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-10 05:26 PM | Reply

#3 waaah poor persecuted Bernie! Nobody wants to vote for him but he's still got the most support we swear waahhhhh

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-10 05:27 PM | Reply

#3 waaah poor persecuted Bernie! Nobody wants to vote for him but he's still got the most support we swear waahhhhh

POSTED BY JPW AT 2020-03-10 05:27 PM | REPLY

You don't cuss out a prospective voter. That's not how it's done.

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-10 05:30 PM | Reply

#3 waaah poor persecuted Bernie! Nobody wants to vote for him but he's still got the most support we swear waahhhhh

POSTED BY JPW AT 2020-03-10 05:27 PM | REPLY

You don't cuss out a prospective voter. That's not how it's done.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-10 05:30 PM | Reply

Was it Joe the Plummer?

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-03-10 05:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You don't cuss out a prospective voter. That's not how it's done."

Happens here every day... often by you...

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-10 05:42 PM | Reply

If Bernie had done that they would have a field day.

Absolutely.

Bruce, Doc and AU would be racing to see who could post the thread first.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-10 05:45 PM | Reply

Snoofy I'm not running for office now am I?? Hell I'm not running at allk so.

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-10 05:45 PM | Reply

What is going on with Biden?

This isn't a one-off. He's gone off on other voters in informal settings during this primary. He even weirdly challenged some old fat dude to a pushup contest.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-10 05:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Bruce, Doc and AU would be racing to see who could post the thread first.
#10 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I'd be the first to post it, but as you know I like to stir ---- up.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-10 05:46 PM | Reply

Nobody wants to vote for him

Despite the Democratic Party's best efforts, Bernie is still in the race.

At least the DNC learned from 2016 and haven't announced the superdelegate count for Biden yet.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-10 05:47 PM | Reply

I'd be the first to post it,

Nah, it has nothing to do with transgender athletes.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-10 05:48 PM | Reply

One thing seems certain: the Dems are going to nominate an angry, demented old man. The only question is, which one?

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-03-10 05:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

One thing seems certain: the Republicans are going to nominate an angry, demented old man. The only question is, why do it again?

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-10 05:56 PM | Reply

" He's unhinged. If Bernie had done that they would have a field day."

It would've been posted by ReinheitsgeBanner if Tor didn't beat him to it and Twinpac and Gal would be first in line to call him Angry Bernie. Then somebody would come along to say they always knew this about him and that it shows he hates real Americans.

#18 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-03-10 06:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"You don't cuss out a prospective voter."

You don't really believe anyone accusing Biden of being a gun grabber is a prospective voter, do you?

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-03-10 06:24 PM | Reply

JEFFJ

"He even weirdly challenged some old fat dude to a pushup contest."

Donald Trump?????

#20 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-10 06:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

youtu.be

Amazing.

#21 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-03-10 06:49 PM | Reply

While I dont personally like these tactics it is probably good for Biden's image. We keep hearing that he lacks passion, that he is weak, and that he wont be able to go head to head with foul mouth Trump. Well, we are seeing that Biden has some spirit and fire, so things could get interesting.

#22 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-10 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The man will be in a nursing home,totally incoherent in 12 months. I've seen this schitt before, Biden is a non starter in any sane electoral contest, but the "donors"need Biden,even if he's not the the one actually running the country. They want those corporate perks,whatever it takes.

#23 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-10 06:53 PM | Reply

^ Alert. New cases of Biden Derangement Syndrome are spreading daily.

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-03-10 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, we are seeing that Biden has some spirit and fire, so things could get interesting. #22 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

I was thinking along similar lines but you wrote those thoughts better than I could have :)

#25 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-03-10 07:39 PM | Reply

:-)

Angry Staffer @AngrierWHStaff

Personally, I don't see what the fuss is about.

Telling someone they're full of ---- is perfect debate prep for facing Trump.

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-10 08:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Somebody was on DR claiming Bernie was beginning alzheimers because of emotional outbursts... maybe it's time old Joe got tested too.

#27 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-03-10 09:47 PM | Reply

" What is going on with Biden?"

he's crushed you won't be voting for him, jeff.

#28 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-03-11 12:17 AM | Reply

"" What is going on with Biden?"

he's crushed you won't be voting for him, jeff.
#28 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

I'm sure he is. The man is going to need every last vote (see also FL 2000) he can get, especially if unemployment remains low and gas is cheap. And it looks like the Saudis are going to ensure the latter.

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-11 12:26 AM | Reply

Despite the Democratic Party's best efforts, Bernie is still in the race.

At least the DNC learned from 2016 and haven't announced the superdelegate count for Biden yet.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack

Dude. Bernie just doesn't have the support you think he does.

Sorry, bruh. But it's time to face the facts.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-11 12:35 AM | Reply

Bernie just doesn't have the support you think he does.

You better hope Biden has the support you think he does. Because in my opinion, this is 2016 all over again.

But it's time to face the facts.

The facts are plain to see. The DNC has, once again, screwed Bernie.

Which will result in Trump's re election.

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-11 01:55 AM | Reply

How did the DNC screw Bernie?
I prefer him, but the majority didn't.
I accept that the majority of dems prefers Biden.
Why can't you?

#32 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-11 02:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The DNC has, once again, screwed Bernie.

Yeah, i'm calling BS on this as well.

Until there's evidence of it it's irresponsible to make the claim.

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 06:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

he's crushed you won't be voting for him, jeff.

#28 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

As of now he's still preferable to Trump or 3rd Party.

Having said that, he's clearly not as sharp as he used to be and getting into arguments with everyday people is a really bad look.

Do you honestly think he's still sharp as a tack? Are you even remotely concerned that he might be in a state of mental decline?

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 07:19 AM | Reply

They were both full of ----. You can buy a machine gun. It's just paperwork.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-11 07:31 AM | Reply

Are you even remotely concerned that he might be in a state of mental decline?

No more than Trump, the GOP's candidate. Today's bar couldn't be much lower due to Trump's own example.

Morning Joe just ran a rerun of the Daily Show's 3 minute mash of Trump butchering simple English words over the last 3 years. As funny (and frightening) as it was, if voters have no problem with Trump's disassociations, they'll be okay with Biden's signs of aging.

Seems the primary voters are making that point rather clear.

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-11 07:44 AM | Reply

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg

It isn't just paperwork. But yes you can IF you have the money, a clean background insurance, etc that are all needed for that type of license.

#37 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-03-11 08:18 AM | Reply

I thought people would be more pissed because he told the guy "I don't work for you"... Which is true - he isn't elected to anything.

Personally I like the fire. Anyone facing tRump is going to need it and he will HAVE to be called out. Normal behavior in the face to tRump lies and behavior doesn't play well.

#38 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-03-11 08:25 AM | Reply

It isn't just paperwork. But yes you can IF you have the money, a clean background insurance, etc that are all needed for that type of license.

#37 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2020-03-11 08:18 AM | FLAG:

Too much work. Just get an NFA trust.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-11 08:28 AM | Reply

A lawyer does it all for you. Just swipe a card and show up to sign some papers eventually.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-11 08:29 AM | Reply

"The DNC has, once again, screwed Bernie. "

Bernie hasn't been able to get enough votes, plain and simple.

#41 | Posted by qcp at 2020-03-11 08:47 AM | Reply

Biden Appears to Forget Which Office He's Running For During Victory Speech

""These are all people been working like the devil to try to get us elected as the, uh ... so I want to thank you," he said."

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-03-11 09:14 AM | Reply

#34 Exactly. I'm not sure how it's even arguable. Biden is obviously on the decline.

Which makes his VP choice all the more important. There's a good chance that person WILL be the president.

#43 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 09:17 AM | Reply

Biden is sharp af. You will see.

#44 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-11 10:09 AM | Reply

Well so much for Michigan in November. Wonder what he'll do to piss off WI and PA.

#45 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-03-11 10:16 AM | Reply

Crazy Joe Demento being Crazy Joe Demento.

#46 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-03-11 10:20 AM | Reply

POSTED BY JPW AT 2020-03-10 05:27 PM | REPLY

You don't cuss out a prospective voter. That's not how it's done.

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-10 05:30 PM |

Sorry Laura, but if you don't call out Republican lies, they get repeated until they're folklore. I culled all of the Trump supporters from my FB Friends over two years ago. Obviously, I'll miss all their insanity; but I do not see this as any kind of loss for myself.

Best,
John47

#47 | Posted by john47 at 2020-03-11 10:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

but if you don't call out Republican lies, they get repeated until they're folklore.

It's one thing to calmly explain how and why the guy was wrong. it's quite another to instigate a heated argument. He lost his cool and it's not the first time it's happened during this campaign. The guy asked a legit question on the heels of Biden announcing he'd be appointing Beto gun-grabbing O'Rourke as his point person to deal with the gun problem in this country. He clearly wasn't prepared to answer the question and got visibly angry at the question. It's a bad look.

#48 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 10:41 AM | Reply

"Do you need..." It's the question of the authoritarian. "Do you need 100 rounds?" becomes "Do you need 10?" becomes "Do you need to even hunt?" No, actually we don't need to hunt. We could have a government agency do it for us. But a right isn't a need. A right, is a right. We have the right to 100 rounds if we want, because we are free men who have the right to own and operate firearms so long as we do so in a safe manner. Biden will employ the "You don't need this so we're taking it from you" argument in presidency, and I will never vote for him.

#49 | Posted by Merovigan at 2020-03-11 10:42 AM | Reply

Well so much for Michigan in November. Wonder what he'll do to piss off WI and PA.

#45 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-03-11 10:16 AM

Dear Whatsleft,

My friends and I meet every Monday at a local Wisconsin coffee shop that offers FREE Monday coffee for veterans. People who are still working in the area are coming to understand how they've been sold out by their Republican representatives. Wisconsin was gerrymandered quite well by incumbent Republicans in the State Senate and State Assembly. Funny thing, though; in 2018 even though district elections went to Republicans, ALL the state-wide offices went to Democrats. This does NOT bode well for Republican's dreams about keeping control of the US Senate!

Vote Blue,

John47

#50 | Posted by john47 at 2020-03-11 10:45 AM | Reply

Biden is sharp af. You will see.
#44 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

What an embarrassing post.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 10:51 AM | Reply

if you don't call out Republican lies, they get repeated until they're folklore.

#47 | Posted by john47 at 2020-03-11 10:36 AM | Reply

Dead on.

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-11 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The guy was full of ----...

#53 | Posted by qcp at 2020-03-11 11:09 AM | Reply

He lost his cool and it's not the first time it's happened during this campaign.

Jeff.

You deserve someone with an even temperament, like Trump.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-11 11:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Biden is sharp af. You will see.
#44 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

What an embarrassing post.

#51 | POSTED BY JOE

Biden is sharp what?

Despite Bruce's negative covfefe... Trumpy is going af ...

You will see!

#55 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-11 11:10 AM | Reply

#48 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I disagree Jeff, if Biden had handled it calmly we never would have heard about it. He stood up for himself in a way that got media attention. Like I said above, I dont like these tactics but it could work out for him in the way that Trump's stunts have been. It gets attention and as they say 'any publicity is good publicity' right?

#56 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-11 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The guy was full of ----...

#53 | POSTEwD BY QCP

As most deplorables are. It's their favorite meal. Served up Steaming Fresh daily by Fixed News.

#57 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-11 11:15 AM | Reply

Jfc no one is coming for your ------- guns
I wish someone would come for their guns so they would ----- out
But ------- whiny men child fear not
No latte drinking Volvo driving Birkenstock's wearing patches on their elbows east coast liberal elitist professor type has any interest in taking your guns
So quit yer bitching

#58 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 11:21 AM | Reply

#56 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

Swearing at a worker, calling him a horse's ass, saying the 2 of them should take it outside and then getting basic fundamental facts very, very wrong is a bad look for him. The unforced errors are stacking up at a torrid pace. Now, we have James Carville and Clyburn both saying the DNC should shut down the primary and cease the debate schedule. That's insane. These gaffes that are piling up aren't of the "57 states" variety. These gaffes are the kind that illustrate memory loss, lack of focus and a lack of awareness.

Maybe the DNC can get away with hiding him for the remainder of the primary season. That won't work in the general where the stakes are much higher and where team Trump will be relentless.

Now, to be fair, the highlights are what get all of the attention and focus. I haven't yet watched a Democrat debate because it seemed pointless to me until the field of candidates had been culled. Well, that has happened and I'll definitely watch the March 15 debate in full although not in real time as we will be flying in late from Florida on the 15h.

Here's the thing: It's obvious he's not as sharp as he used to be. The question for me is how much has he actually declined? If he's just lost a step and the grueling schedule of the campaign trail had him fatigued and is the source of all of these errors - OK. Presidential campaigns are like running a marathon. It's not surprising that a 77 year old man would feel some fatigue resulting in mental errors. Having said that, going off on more than 1 person who asked a question he didn't like is concerning. Not knowing what state he's in on more than 1 occasion is concerning. Confusing his wife with his sister is concerning. I'll give him a pass on his Declaration of Independence gaffe and his Super Thursday gaffe but I can't explain away him forgetting the name of his boss for 8 years, Barack Obama. "I'm Joe Biden, I'm a Democrat and I'm running for the United States Senate..."

In a crowded field he had far less of spotlight on him. Now that this is a 2 person race and he's the front-runner he's going to be under more scrutiny. If he's unable to get it together and these incidents continue it will create a pattern that will be very difficult to explain away.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jim Clyburn: Shut Down Primaries, Debates To Protect Biden From Saying Something He Cannot Overcome'

"Clyburn later added that as the process continues to drag on that Biden will get "himself into trouble" and will say something that he "cannot overcome."

Hide Joe 2020!

#60 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-03-11 11:33 AM | Reply

#59: And Biden is the one you said you would support over Trump if he got the nomination? lol

#61 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-03-11 11:39 AM | Reply

#59: And Biden is the one you said you would support over Trump if he got the nomination? lol

#61 | POSTED BY MODER8

They all claim they would have voted for him in 2016 too.

#62 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-03-11 11:42 AM | Reply

#60 - citation for that, or are you just lying?

#63 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-11 11:44 AM | Reply

"Swearing at a worker, calling him a horse's ass, saying the 2 of them should take it outside and then getting basic fundamental facts very, very wrong is a bad look for him."

Where have you been? That is the new Trumplandia normal.

Maybe someone should just punch you in the face. And get you the heck out of here.

Stop being a hypocritical dog faced pony soldier.

#64 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-11 11:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I loved the video reaction of the guys coworker. His face screamed "I've wanted to tell this ------- this for years!"

Swearing at a worker, calling him a horse's ass, saying the 2 of them should take it outside and then getting basic fundamental facts very, very wrong is a bad look for him.

But the GOP said it's okay for Fat Nixon.

Hell the GOP said it's okay for Fat Nixon to piss all over oversight, break the law, demand payoffs for weapons systems, etc.

It's hilarious that the GOP is now DEMANDING people not act like Trump while excusing Trump's actions.

#65 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-03-11 11:54 AM | Reply

You don't cuss out a prospective voter. That's not how it's done.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-10 05:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

The guy wasn't going to vote for any democrat anyways.

#66 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-03-11 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"getting basic fundamental facts very, very wrong"

Speaking of basic facts:
Joe Biden wants to repeal the Second Amendment.
Yes or no?

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 12:04 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

With the sister/wife incident they were both next to him and he pointed to the wrong side, then corrected himself. That is not an uncommon mistake when you are not focused on who is next to you and certainly not as bad as Trump saying Melania really wanted to be there (but couldn't make it) when she was standing next to him. I see a lot of complaints for someone that admits they haven't watched a debate yet and is part of the reason you frustrate me. I am working on myself for that but find it hard to give you a pass because it feels partisan and I had thought better of you than that. The highlights are of course going to show what was the worst or the best depending one why it is highlighted and by whom. We will definitely see more in the coming weeks, but even if Biden is slipping he is still my choice because I know that he will get rid of the grift and inept Trump toadies that are currently running things downhill. Why is it that the GOP gets upset that Hunter 'didn't have the background to be on the board for Burisma' but don't care at all that Grenell has no background to be Intelligence Chief? And there are many more examples of the double standard. I also don't believe for a second that he had less spotlight on him in the crowded field. Trump was trying to dig up dirt on Biden and put direct focus on him.

#68 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-11 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The guy wasn't lying. Joe wants to remove some guns from society. Joe wants to stop the manufacture of some guns. Joe wants to reinstate the assault weapons ban. If you believe the 2nd amendment gives Americans the unencumbered right to firearms, as many do (I do not believe that, but I do own a number of firearms), then Joe's policies would step on your perceived rights.

Joe could have handled that FAR more diplomatically. This is the Joe whose foot in mouth is going to cost him the election.

#69 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-03-11 12:19 PM | Reply

Meant to attach this link to Joe's website...

THE BIDEN PLAN TO END OUR GUN VIOLENCE EPIDEMIC

#70 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-03-11 12:23 PM | Reply

Mandatory buyback of semi auto rifles and their magazines or NFA registration.

How do you register things with no serial numbers?

#71 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-11 12:30 PM | Reply

This is the Joe whose foot in mouth is going to cost him the election

Possible counterpoint: In today's day and age this sort of thing might be perceived as "punchy" and "telling it like it is" which apparently some voters are into.

#72 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 12:34 PM | Reply

That works if you're playing the heel, not a return to decency with Obama as the role model.

#73 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-11 12:35 PM | Reply

#73 Candidates play both sides all the time. I wouldn't put it past a campaign to stage an event like this to make their candidate seem spontaneous, youthful and aggressive. The autoworker's objections sure were boilerplate.

#74 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 12:38 PM | Reply

Poor Joe even missed the mark on hunting laws. You take out the 3-round plastic plug during special conservation season. You could hunt with a belt fed shotgun and be compliant with the law. If you're a plebe. Gentlemen hunt with a double barrel breech loader, like God intended.

#75 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-11 12:40 PM | Reply

" not a return to decency with Obama as the role model."

Obama said the police acted stupidly.
Obama wore a tan suit.
Obama used the wrong kind of mustard.

Obama is not a decent man.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 12:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#68 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

Be honest. Do you believe the Joe Biden we are seeing on the campaign trail right now is as mentally sharp as the Joe Biden we saw in 2012 on the debate stage across from Paul Ryan?

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 12:55 PM | Reply

Justagirl,

As far as the sister/wife mixup thing goes, it was when I rewatched it that I thought he was confused. Before he made the comment they were on both sides of him out of his line of sight. When he announced his wife as his sister he turned toward her. Now, maybe the words were already in his mouth. Fine. I can understand how he could have made that mistake.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 12:57 PM | Reply

Obama is not a decent man.

#76 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-03-11 12:47 PM | FLAG:

He had more children killed than the coronavirus, but he's still worth having a beer summit with.

#79 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-11 12:59 PM | Reply

"He had more children killed than the coronavirus,"

Coronavirus doesn't kill children.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#69

This was right after he said he wanted Beto, of all people, to run his gun control efforts, too.

#81 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-03-11 01:02 PM | Reply

"Do you believe the Joe Biden we are seeing on the campaign trail right now is as mentally sharp as the Joe Biden we saw in 2012 on the debate stage across from Paul Ryan?"

The Biden that interrupted Ryan 82 times?
Just wondering how you gauge mentally sharp.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 01:04 PM | Reply

#77 -- No, but neither is Trump. And as I said above: "We will definitely see more in the coming weeks, but even if Biden is slipping he is still my choice because I know that he will get rid of the grift and inept Trump toadies that are currently running things downhill."

I am not a Dem or a Rep, I am not voting for Biden because I love the guy, and he wasnt my first choice. I will be voting for him in order to get rid of people like Betsy DeVos and to keep the Supreme Court semi moderate. Our government needs balance in order to reign in ridiculous tax cuts and drunken spending.

#83 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-11 01:06 PM | Reply

even if Biden is slipping he is still my choice

If he's just lost a step or two I agree with you.

I'll be paying more attention to his public appearances going forward.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 01:10 PM | Reply

Essentially you are saying that if Biden has lost more than a step or two you would rather keep Trump another term. That is why we disagree. Even if Biden has slipped into the next dimension and his VP pretty much has the steer the ship, wouldn't that be better than an unchained Trump with nothing to lose?

#85 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-11 01:13 PM | Reply

Be honest. Do you believe the Joe Biden we are seeing on the campaign trail right now is as mentally sharp as the Joe Biden we saw in 2012 on the debate stage across from Paul Ryan?

#77 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

He is sharper than trumpy the liar and that is all that really matters at this time.

Don't you think?

I believe Joe Biden will kick Trumpy's fat lazy hateful rump all over the mat and all the way back to his Trumpy Tower where he will sadly tweet out his hate and anger and Lies to his deplorable base until Satan readies his place in Hell.

Maybe as a personal Demonic servant to Al Capone or Bugsy Siegel. Or maybe he will get lucky. Lucky Luciano perhaps?

#86 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-11 01:13 PM | Reply

#85 If his VP is going to run the show then his VP should be on the top of the ticket.

I hope his mental acuity problems are just the result of fatigue. Like I said, presidential campaigns are grueling.

I won't vote for Biden if I get the sense that he won't be the one calling the shots. If I think he'll be in charge he'll get my vote.

He is sharper than trumpy the liar and that is all that really matters at this time.

I disagree. The Joe Biden we've been seeing on the campaign trail is not the same guy I watched in the judiciary committee questioning John Roberts for his SCOTUS nomination.

Trump has been very much in the public eye going back decades. He's the same jerk now that he was 10 years ago.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 01:19 PM | Reply

#87 - guess we will have to see how many others agree with you. I feel that a vote for Joe in the General is a vote for a change whether we prefer Joe or not, we know exactly what we will get with Trump. We will have to agree to disagree on this point and I will hope that maybe you like the VP choice well enough to throw caution to the wind and back Biden. I dont doubt that Trumps second term would be a full reign of terror and revenge. It is who he is after all and he makes no excuses for it.

#88 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-11 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I won't vote for Biden if I get the sense that he won't be the one calling the shots. If I think he'll be in charge he'll get my vote."

What if he appoints a shot-caller, like when Mayor Sarah Palin created a job called City Manager?

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 01:25 PM | Reply

"Trump has been very much in the public eye going back decades. He's the same jerk now that he was 10 years ago."

I feel like Trump's mental flair is not half what it used to be.
I'm surprised you think it's unchanged.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 01:26 PM | Reply

#88 Idaho,

If the election were tomorrow I'd vote for Biden.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 01:33 PM | Reply

You don't cuss out a prospective voter. That's not how it's done.

#6 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

No, you don't. But you should.

Biden needed to send a loud message to gun nuts that he isn't going to scrub the Constitution of the 2nd Amendment. This did it.

And the idea that this voter was going to vote for Biden anyway is ridiculous. If he actually believed Biden was going to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, he's definitely not voting Democrat.

We need to take on the crazy Republican voters. Call -------- when its --------. Speak the language that people actually use. No more Deplorables type language. We don't need $10 words when a 25 cent one will do as well and resonate more.

#92 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-11 01:36 PM | Reply

#88 Idaho,
If the election were tomorrow I'd vote for Biden.

#91 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

He has my vote. Bernie would too over Trump but I'd prefer Biden.

Of course, I'd vote for any of the 2016 Republican candidates over Trump. And would have likely voted Kasich or Rubio over Hillary if they got the nod.

I'm really hoping Kasich runs in 2024 and drags the Republican Party back to towards the Middle some. We don't agree on quite a bit but I think he'd be a good President.

#93 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-11 01:39 PM | Reply

The worker should have accepted Biden's challenge and whooped the old coot.
Biden may be Reagan level senile by the time the election rolls around, so he better not blow it by picking a token for VP or I go 3rd party again and the argue with you losers about how I'm not responsible for trump's 2nd term.

#94 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2020-03-11 01:46 PM | Reply

"The worker should have accepted Biden's challenge and whooped the old coot."

Nah.
He shoulda used a Second Amendment remedy.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rubio over Hillary if they got the nod.

I'm really hoping Kasich runs in 2024 and drags the Republican Party back to towards the Middle some. We don't agree on quite a bit but I think he'd be a good President.

#93 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

I'm an early supporter of Rubio, but man he has to pick a spot to stand and stick with it. He was almost a force for change on immigration reform, then caved to pressure.

It doesn't help that Rubio doesn't have presidential height either :/

#96 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-03-11 01:58 PM | Reply

Kasich would be good for a return to normalcy, but would need a rebrand because his rollout in 2016 was real boring. Even JEB(!) had better branding execution but was real boring as a speaker, and being part of a political dynasty is toxic.

I would put way too early fake money that Nikki Haley enters the 2024 race, as does Pence, as does Rubio, and possibly Tony Abbott (TX governor). Maybe Dan Crenshaw too.

#97 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-03-11 02:02 PM | Reply

Tony Abbott is an Australian MP, lol my bad, Greg Abbott is the TX governor. The FL governor would be cool to see run for president, but it's also real easy to win a second term as gov in FL, and he has managed the state in a very non-controversial and responsible manner, so has time on his side.

#98 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-03-11 02:04 PM | Reply

Biden is sharp what?
Despite Bruce's negative covfefe... Trumpy is going af ...
You will see!
#55 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2020-03-11 11:10 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

It wasn't a mistake. How old are you?

#99 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-11 02:06 PM | Reply

I'm really hoping Kasich runs in 2024 and drags the Republican Party back to towards the Middle some. We don't agree on quite a bit but I think he'd be a good President.

#93 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

He'd bring decorum and competence.

#100 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 02:18 PM | Reply

--I'm really hoping Kasich runs in 2024

I'll vote 3rd party again rather than that smug little weasel.

#101 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-03-11 02:26 PM | Reply

It wasn't a mistake. How old are you?

#99 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Old. Old as my tongue and older than my teeth.

Sonny boy,

it seems to me every post you make is a mistake.

#102 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-11 03:05 PM | Reply

If you've been spending time on the internet, you should recognize the millennial-speak of the "AF" abbreviation. I'll agree it was a little confusing since Bruce didn't capitalize or punctuate it.

#103 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-03-11 03:18 PM | Reply

At least the DNC learned from 2016 and haven't announced the superdelegate count for Biden yet.
#14 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Uhhh... the DNC changed the rules so that superdelegates don't matter any more for the first vote. Its not that they "learned their lesson. There is no longer a reason to announce superdelegate counts seeing as they cannot ACTUALLY affect the outcome unless it is a contested convention.

But go ahead and keep thinking that it is just proof of some hair-brained conspiracy against Sanders in 2016. And make sure to polish your tin foil hat tonight. The brain control waves can get through if it isn't nice and shiny.

#104 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-11 03:28 PM | Reply

The man is going to need every last vote (see also FL 2000) he can get, especially if unemployment remains low and gas is cheap.

#29 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Lol... way to move those goalposts. It no longer matters how the economy is doing, or where the stock market is. And ignore all those oil jobs that are going to be lost when the tar sands no longer are profitable. Just cherry pick a statistic or two that can be spun to sound positive, and then claim that they are proof... PROOF!... that your Dear Orange Leader is going to get re-elected.

LMFAO!

#105 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-11 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But go ahead and keep thinking that it is just proof of some hair-brained conspiracy against Sanders in 2016. And make sure to polish your tin foil hat tonight. The brain control waves can get through if it isn't nice and shiny."

You see, now this is the way to unite the party to defeat Trump in November. More of this please.

#106 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-03-11 03:33 PM | Reply

If the election were tomorrow I'd vote for Biden.
#91 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

But it isn't, and that's very convenient for you.

Because I would bet a considerable sum of money that by the time November rolls around, you will have found your reason not to vote for Joe Biden.

#107 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 03:48 PM | Reply

#107

Will you be voting for Biden? Or will you stay home and pout?

#108 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-11 03:53 PM | Reply

#108 I don't commit to voting for garbage until it's my only option. Centrists don't deserve the comfort of knowing they have all the people they take for granted on their side.

But I wasn't demanding anyone commit to voting for Biden. Just saying we all know Jeff isn't going to. Are you, Mr. Libertarian?

#109 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 03:55 PM | Reply

#108 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I will give Joe credit. I saw in another thread he was disagreeing with someone still saying Bernie was being screwed. He even went as far as to say it was irresponsible to say that until there was some evidence. It stood out to me because up until then he rubbed me wrong as someone that wouldn't accept a Bernie loss whether it was fair or not.

#110 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-11 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But go ahead and keep thinking that it is just proof of some hair-brained conspiracy against Sanders in 2016. And make sure to polish your tin foil hat tonight. The brain control waves can get through if it isn't nice and shiny."

It would be simpler just to tell the other poster he's full of sh** when they post stuff like that. K.I.S.S.

#111 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-03-11 04:11 PM | Reply

"Centrists don't deserve the comfort of knowing they have all the people they take for granted on their side."

Then stay home and pout.

Or better yet, put your money where you mouth is and move to somewhere you think will be more suitable. Maybe Cuba. Or, if you want to see Democratic Socialism in action, Venezuela.

But make no mistake, the centrists don't need you. In fact most would prefer you simply immigrated to one of those garden spots that has already embraced Democratic Socialism. As I've said before, the progressive left is a bunch of children who have no idea what they're really asking for.

As for me...I'll probably vote for Biden. By far, my biggest concern with Biden was 2nd Amendment issues. Based on this article, he seems to know not to mess with the bull. But who knows...I think this election will be different from those before. Generally, politicians tend to shift towards the center after the primaries. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Biden will try and shift left to try and capture the B-Bro vote. If so, then no I won't.

On the other hand, if Tulsi is his choice for VP. I'm in. I don't really agree with her on much, but she's the only one who actually gets it. Her problem is that many people don't get it. Many don't want to get it.

#112 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-11 04:20 PM | Reply

A little righteous indignation, especially when somebody is lying about your record is a good thing. Some pundits want Joe to be more fiery, well there you go.

#113 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-03-11 04:21 PM | Reply

Because I would bet a considerable sum of money that by the time November rolls around, you will have found your reason not to vote for Joe Biden.

#107 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-03-11 03:48 PM | REPLY

Yup.

#114 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-03-11 04:23 PM | Reply

"If you've been spending time on the internet, you should recognize the millennial-speak of the "AF" abbreviation. "

I googled it, of course. I kinda figured that's what he was going for.

Btw

AF also stands for

"Atrial Fibrillation"

#115 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-11 04:32 PM | Reply

You see, now this is the way to unite the party to defeat Trump in November. More of this please.

#106 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

You are saying a better way is to appease the Bernie Bros and not confront them when they imply that Bernie's loss in 2016 (and his upcoming loss this year) was due to some conspiracy within the DNC? (even though it is being pretty conclusively shown that Bernie keeps losing because he just can't get the voters to like him and vote for him)

How well did that work out in 2016? Oh yeah... a bunch of Bernie Bros decided that Trump was a better option and we ended up with Trump as president.

I think the "conspiracy within the DNC" paranoia is much more likely to prevent the party from uniting than hurting a few snowflakes' feelings.

#116 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-11 04:33 PM | Reply

Yup.

#114 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Do you honestly believe Biden is as mentally sharp as he was on the debate stage with Paul Ryan in '12?

Do you have ZERO concerns about his mental acuity?

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 04:33 PM | Reply

Jeff... you are going to see what you want to see. And what you want to see is a reason to not vote for the Democrats that you despise.

I think Biden has more than enough mental acuity to be President.

#118 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-11 04:37 PM | Reply

Because I would bet a considerable sum of money that by the time November rolls around, you will have found your reason not to vote for Joe Biden.

#107 | POSTED BY JOE

If over the course of the campaign he proves to be mentally unfit - At this point I'm of the mindset that he's clearly lost a step or two mentally but that he's mostly fine and it's grueling campaign fatigue that is driving all of his disturbing mistakes - that his mental faculties have declined to the point that I don't believe he can carry out the functions of the job he's campaigning for then absolutely yes, I wouldn't vote for him. it would be irresponsible for me to do so if that were the case.

#119 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 04:38 PM | Reply

Biden/Palin 2020

#120 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2020-03-11 04:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

you are going to see what you want to see. And what you want to see is a reason to not vote for the Democrats that you despise.

I don't despise Joe Biden. I've always liked him. I have concerns about his mental acuity and I'll be watching his public appearances much more closely.

#121 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 04:39 PM | Reply

#112 Dismissive,much. Who made you the arbiter of what's realistic or adult. People can want socialist policies without being,stupid, childish,or not knowing better.

Some adults actually have thought this through and disagree with you and all you have is ad hominim attacks on their personal characteristics.
Grow the eff' up yourself,fella.
Make your case,don't tear down other people you disagree with,show us why they're wrong.
Can you do that? Or are you just a gasbag like Trump and Co?

#122 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-11 04:41 PM | Reply

#117 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I know you are asking someone else this time Jeff but I would pose the question to you a little differently.

Do you honestly believe that Biden in a noticeable mental decline is worse than an unchained and revengeful Trump? Who could Biden pick as VP that would alleviate your suffering mind about his mental acuity?

#123 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-11 04:41 PM | Reply

The lucky thing for you is this is all subjective, so you know it will be impossible to objectively call you out on this BS.

So what is the point in arguing about it. Your goalposts will continue to move (possibly without you realizing you are doing it). Just like conservatives slowly pushed out the definition of what was impeachable as Trump did more and more stuff wrong, until NOTHING was impeachable, you will continue to pick at gaffes and folksy sayings and Biden being Biden and see "evidence" that he is declining mentally (its called confirmation bias). And there is and will be nothing I or anyone else could tell you that will convince you otherwise.

#124 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-11 04:42 PM | Reply

Do you have ZERO concerns about his mental acuity?

#117 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You constantly carry Trumpy's dirty water.

I would have more concerns about YOUR mental acuity than Joe Biden's.

#125 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-11 04:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I've seen footage where Trump appeared to be losing his mental faculties while speaking to a crowd, and then Fox News decided to cut away quickly. I'm sure Bloomberg's machine will have a heyday hitting back at him with that in ads when they start questioning Joe's faculties.

#126 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-03-11 04:52 PM | Reply

Do you honestly believe that Biden in a noticeable mental decline is worse than an unchained and revengeful Trump?

It depends on the degree of decline. Like I've said, presidential campaigns are grueling and if he's overly fatigued that could well be what's driving all of these unsettling mistakes.

Who could Biden pick as VP that would alleviate your suffering mind about his mental acuity?

#123 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

Interesting question. To me it suggests the possibility that the DNC is expecting him to resign shortly after the election if he wins or will invoke the 25th Amendment remedy. I'd like to hope his wife and family love him enough that they wouldn't let him go that far because that would be a terrible way for his political career to end. To answer your question, if he chose Tulsi Gabbard, and I seriously doubt he would, it would allay some of my concerns. But I need to point out that I don't vote for a president who I think is going to resign shortly thereafter or be removed via the 25th Amendment.

Again, I'd like to believe that those close to him wouldn't let him go that far if they didn't think he's mentally up to the job.

#127 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 04:53 PM | Reply

The lucky thing for you is this is all subjective

It's not lucky at all. In fact, it's unlucky. I wish we could have an objective measure on his mental state. That would make things easy. But, we don't.

#128 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 04:55 PM | Reply

#125 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Way to deflect and avoid the question. This thread isn't about me.

#129 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 04:56 PM | Reply

Then stay home and pout.

Saying I won't commit to voting for a centrist means I should stay home? Quite the leap you're making.

Or better yet, put your money where you mouth is and move to somewhere you think will be more suitable. Maybe Cuba. Or, if you want to see Democratic Socialism in action, Venezuela.

There are plenty of successful nations that embrace a strong social safety net and responsible tax policy that aren't the failures you tend to fixate on. I'd throw an equally vapid argument back at you, but there isn't a single nation in the world stupid enough to adopt Libertarianism as its governing philosophy. I'll let you know when your haven is created.

But make no mistake, the centrists don't need you.

They do if they want to win elections.

#130 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 05:04 PM | Reply

"#112 Dismissive,much. Who made you the arbiter of what's realistic or adult. People can want socialist policies without being,stupid, childish,or not knowing better."

Being a parent has left me with a good sense of arbitration. Otherwise, all of my money would have gone to buying Disney vacations and dinner parties with Elsa and Anna. Which is what my on-stakeholder daughters would have seen as a better use of money than paying a mortgage or buying groceries. Of course, like most socialists, they don't have a sense of money. They just expect it to be there when they want it.

#131 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-11 05:07 PM | Reply

www.youtube.com

#132 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-03-11 05:07 PM | Reply

"People can want socialist policies without being,stupid, childish,or not knowing better."

No, they can't. Unless they understand and are willing to accept that they will not only have to pay for those programs that benefit themselves, but those programs that benefit everyone, they're out of their element. And 100%, most B-Bros are. They like Bernie because he's offering free stuff. The second that free stuff comes with any sort of obligation, many of them will be out. Which is why Bernie never floated a VAT as a funding mechanism...it would kill the buzz.

#133 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-11 05:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Some adults actually have thought this through and disagree with you and all you have is ad hominim attacks on their personal characteristics."

Honestly, it's a function of living in a country where even the poor people are fabulously wealthy by global standards...it's a bunch of rich people problems. The first step is acknowledging that. Out of everyone, the Bros are the last people I expect to see do that.

And BTW...I'm not criticizing you. I think you're a bit in the clouds, but still retain the capacity for critical thought. For many here, critical thought is what the Bourgeoise use to oppress the proletariat masses.

#134 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-11 05:14 PM | Reply

"Of course, like most socialists, they don't have a sense of money. They just expect it to be there when they want it."

^
Dude. That's bankers and Capitalists.

Quantitative Easing, Auto bailout, bank bailout, farm bailout, airline bailout, S&L bailout, other auto bailout.

You should be proud. Your daughters already figured out how Capitalism works!

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 05:15 PM | Reply

Joe may be a little off from 2012, but as much as anything I think it's a matter of being out of practice. Biden hasn't run for office in eight years, and it's been 16 years since he ran as the primary candidate. Joe has never been the best speaker and has always been prone to verbal gaffs, but compared to the Adderall fueled orange puss bag in the WH, Joe's gaffs seem gentle almost pleasant. Now that we know that he's struggled with a stutter for years, some of his gaffs are explainable. The most important qualities that Joe brings to the table are his incredible decency and his experience. Dem voters are eager to return to Obama era sanity. Joe's story of surviving and overcoming loss and tragedy, his decency against Diaper Donnie's selfish, toxic, 5th grade playground bully persona will be a fantastic contrast and the vast majority of voters will find themselves voting for Joe.

#136 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-03-11 05:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"There are plenty of successful nations that embrace a strong social safety net and responsible tax policy that aren't the failures you tend to fixate on. I'd throw an equally vapid argument back at you, but there isn't a single nation in the world stupid enough to adopt Libertarianism as its governing philosophy."

Funny you say that.

I'm considering actually staying here in Germany and being a German. If they would let me.

Funny thing, most western European countries (and AUS, NZ) are pretty restrictive on who they allow to become citizens. I don't know what you do for a living, but unless you're going to add value to their society, you're not likely going to be allowed to enter.

NZ has always been #1 on my list of bug-out locations. When I mentioned this to one of my Kiwi Bros, he asked me about my education and work experience. At the time I was running a targeting cell supporting fires in Afghanistan and Iraq/Syria. He knew about that. He didn't know that I had a BSBA and an MBA. When I told him that, he casually informed me that, "yeah, they would probably allow you to move."

But if your plan was to swoop in and casually collect benefits while surfing or studying Yoga, it's probably not going to work out. But good luck!

#137 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-11 05:21 PM | Reply

"You should be proud. Your daughters already figured out how Capitalism works!"

So...100% truth, I talk politics with you -------- more than I do with my daughter. She is now refusing to move back to the US if Bernie gets elected. Somehow, she gets it.

She also has about $1000 she's about to dump into the market and make a killing.

How is it that a 14 year old is that far ahead of you Snoofsters?

But you're a rich kid, right? It's never too late to borrow from your parents. Maybe my daughter can provide you with some investment advice.

#138 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-11 05:24 PM | Reply

#137 Wow bro, so impressive. Especially the part where you presume anyone you're arguing with hasn't done anything with their life. You left out the "mom's basement" meme, but there's always next time.

Enjoy western europe while arguing nobody else should have it. Have a great day!

#139 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 05:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#125 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Way to deflect and avoid the question. This thread isn't about me.

#129 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Thank you!

I answered in Trumptilian. Glad you liked it.

But as you are investigating Biden's sanity we will have to first investigate the investigator. You.

And the Oranges of the whole thing.

#140 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-11 05:54 PM | Reply

Where are all the woke, feminist, 9 to 5 singing, Elizabeth Warren supporters here demonstrating their dissatisfaction with a man shooshing a woman? They'd be here if it was Bernie or Trump that had done it. Make no mistake.

#141 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-03-11 06:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Where are all the woke, feminist, 9 to 5 singing, Elizabeth Warren supporters here demonstrating their dissatisfaction with a man shooshing a woman? They'd be here if it was Bernie or Trump that had done it. Make no mistake.

#141 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

Very true. NW.

#142 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 06:30 PM | Reply

"But you're a rich kid, right?"

Who on this blog isn't, by your standards?
I could be homeless and be rich, merely by living in America, right?

#143 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh please! That had nothing to do with her gender, she was trying to end the conversation and he had a right to speak out. Any reason to bash Biden though right guys?

#144 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-11 06:37 PM | Reply

I could be homeless and be rich, merely by living in America, right?
#143 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

By Honduran standards, you are a king!

#145 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-11 06:38 PM | Reply

"I'm considering actually staying here in Germany and being a German. If they would let me."

They won't let you become German, but you are free(as in legal) to work there in the private sector, as an American citizen.
To be German, you'd have to marry a German, or maybe win a Nobel Prize or something.
They have blood purity laws, which excludes trash like you... pardon me, excludes trash like the millions of Turkish citizens who are living in Germany going on three or four generations now -- you know how those Muslims breed! -- whose ancestors heeded the call to rebuild Europe after WWII.

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 06:39 PM | Reply

#144

Thanks for proving my point. Top marks for you.

#147 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-03-11 06:40 PM | Reply

I'm considering actually staying here in Germany and being a German.

Socialist Germany?

#148 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-11 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So...100% truth, I talk politics with you -------- more than I do with my daughter. She is now refusing to move back to the US if Bernie gets elected. Somehow, she gets it."

You don't think you owe it to her to explain how Capitalism depends on government bailouts to prevent panics, crashes, maintain market stability, and ensure liquidity?
And the real money is made by positioning yourself to be Too Big To Fail?

Or is your plan to let her figure those things out for herself, like in that South Park episode?
"Aaaand, it's gone!"

#149 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 06:44 PM | Reply

#144
Thanks for proving my point. Top marks for you.
#147 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

You're referring to Biden's campaign manager getting shooshed by Biden himself?
I don't think Warren supporters would have a problem with Warren doing the same...
Do you?

#150 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"She also has about $1000 she's about to dump into the market and make a killing."

I would love nothing more than to think $1000 is a lot of money!
I miss those days.

#151 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 06:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A woman telling another woman to hush is not seen as sexist unlike a man doing the same thing to a woman. It harkens back to a time where men thought they had a right to put a woman back in her place. It's patriarchal nonsense and sadly Biden supporters apparently don't care.

#152 | Posted by lauramohr at 2020-03-11 07:21 PM | Reply

"It's patriarchal nonsense and sadly Biden supporters apparently don't care"

A lot of the world around us is propped up on patriarchal nonsense.
But there's a baby/bathwater problem, if you try to tear it all down.

#153 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 07:22 PM | Reply

I am a woman, working for a man. If someone approached him and started making accusations and I attempted to end the conversation steering him away and he said "shush shush..." and continued to argue then that is his right. I did what I could to diffuse the situation but it wasnt what he wanted, whatever. It had nothing to do with my gender, it was more about our position. Now if it was vise versa and I was a man working for a woman, and the aide (man) told the candidate (woman) to shush and pulled them away from the confrontation, I would be all over it. You guys are looking for problems that dont exist.

#154 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-11 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nah.
He shoulda used a Second Amendment remedy.

#95 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

What is it with you proggies that you think it is a good idea to shoot political figures?

#155 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-11 07:32 PM | Reply

I am a woman, working for a man. If someone approached him and started making accusations and I attempted to end the conversation steering him away and he said "shush shush..." and continued to argue then that is his right. I did what I could to diffuse the situation but it wasnt what he wanted, whatever. It had nothing to do with my gender, it was more about our position....

#154 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

I agree with you. That wasn't the point that Hag made with #141, at least that's not how I took it. He simply pointed out the hypocrisy of those who would go ------- had Trump or Sanders done the exact same thing.

To that I say, welcome to media bias, Hag. As a conservative I've been watching it for decades.

#156 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 07:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"He simply pointed out the hypocrisy of those who would go ------- had Trump or Sanders done the exact same thing."

He assigned a position based on something that didn't happen.
Straw Man and Tu Quoque, both at the same time.
I can see why you loved it so much!

#157 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 07:44 PM | Reply

#157 He was right and you know it; you just won't admit it.

#158 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 07:49 PM | Reply

"#157 He was right and you know it; you just won't admit it."

No, I strongly disagree, as it wasn't some random interloper woman he hushed up.
It was one of his underlings, and that's how the totem pole is supposed to work.

#159 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 08:01 PM | Reply

Biden should have punched out the auto worker and the woman.

That's the type of thing that would actually make me proud to vote for Biden.

Biden, A Man Of Action!

How great would that be? Watch out Trump! Biden is here to punch you the fffk out!

Unfortunately, only Bernie has that kinda energy.

#160 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-11 08:04 PM | Reply

"Lol... way to move those goalposts. It no longer matters how the economy is doing, or where the stock market is. And ignore all those oil jobs that are going to be lost when the tar sands no longer are profitable. Just cherry pick a statistic or two that can be spun to sound positive, and then claim that they are proof... PROOF!... that your Dear Orange Leader is going to get re-elected.

LMFAO!

#105 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL "

None the less, as long as the economy is good, unemployment is low, and gas is cheap, Trump is going to be re-elected. Look at history and precedents, not to mention look at what the Democrats have to offer.

Do you think the 140 million people voting are going to care that a couple of thousand people working with tar sands lost their jobs? Get real.

Though you ignore history (and therefor doomed to repeat it as Santayana said) I'm glad you and your fat ass got a laugh. They will be in short supply for your party in November as long as the three conditions noted above are met.

#161 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-11 08:07 PM | Reply

No one figured out this is a Crisis Actor, planted by Hillary, to help Biden look tough?

#162 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 08:07 PM | Reply

as long as the economy is good...

That election better hurry up already, at this rate America will be a third world nation by November.

#163 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-11 08:09 PM | Reply

Goatman, there is no precedent for a POTUS like Trump. He was impeached and doesn't deny withholding aid for investigations. He is one of the most disliked presidents in recent history. People are angry and it's driving record numbers of voters to the polls. You could turn out right and he win, but it won't be the easy feat you seem to imply.

#164 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-11 08:16 PM | Reply

#159 Had Trump done the exact same thing it would have dominated the news for a week and you know it.

#165 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 08:19 PM | Reply

#165 - probably right, Jeff. Then again Biden doesn't have a history of paying off porn stars, having affairs on his pregnant wife, having allegations of rape, and more, so...

#166 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-11 08:33 PM | Reply

"Had Trump done the exact same thing"

Has Trump ever engaged a voter like this?

#167 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 08:59 PM | Reply

Or like the Iraq War Vet who told Biden he has blood on his hands?

Has Trump ever listened to this kind of commentary from his constituency, and spoken to his critics up close and personal?

#168 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 09:00 PM | Reply

I just watched a 15 minute clip of an informal town hall Biden had with some students. At one point he got incoherent and the feed was cut, presumably to prevent embarrassment for him. He was mostly coherent and at the end got off topic and started rambling but overall that clip was somewhat reassuring for me in terms of his mental acuity.

#169 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 09:01 PM | Reply

Has Trump ever had an informal town hall?

#170 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 09:02 PM | Reply

$168 I was referring to how the media would have reacted had Trump shushed one of his female aides in a similar manner.

#171 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 09:02 PM | Reply

I'm aware of what you are referring to, and are now deflecting from.

Has Trump ever talked to the common man, and taken a hefty dose of criticism and name-calling from his critics, like Biden has?

#172 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 09:03 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Why are you taking a Biden thread and trying to turn it into a Trump thread?

#173 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 09:04 PM | Reply

Start your own Trump thread if you want to raise those issues.

#174 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 09:04 PM | Reply

Why are you taking a Biden thread and trying to turn it into a Trump thread?

Let's review:
#159 Had Trump done the exact same thing it would have dominated the news for a week and you know it.
#165 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Congratulations, JeffJ.
You Built That!

Now that that's out of the way,
When making comparisons, it's worth nothing if the things are comparable.
If Trump hasn't ever engaged voters like this, it's a specious argument to say what might have happened.
It would be like saying, if Trump gave birth by C-Section, the media would freak out about it, but when Hillary does it's no big deal.
It's not a comparison that can be made, because one of those events can't happen.

This is why I'm asking if Trump has ever engaged the voters like Biden does.

#175 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 09:08 PM | Reply

"Start your own Trump thread if you want to raise those issues."

You brought it up.

How is this even a difficult question to answer?
He has, or he hasn't.

#176 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 09:10 PM | Reply

Unfortunately, only Bernie has that kinda energy.

#160 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Bernie did start a fight with a punching bag... and lost.

#177 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-03-11 09:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#164 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO "

You are right on all counts, especially there has been no president like Trump and therefore precedent. But it may be moot. Consider also that there is no precedent other than 2016 where the Democrats had such lame offerings. It looks like moldy Joe is goint to get the nomination. He's not the one to beat Trump. He may -- neither of us kknow, of course -- but he's not one about whom we can all assertively say, "Trump is toast."

#178 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-11 09:45 PM | Reply

"It's patriarchal nonsense and sadly Biden supporters apparently don't care."

Saying Biden supporters don't care about PC nonsense is a compliment.

#179 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-03-11 09:57 PM | Reply

Coronavirus doesn't kill children.

#80 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-03-11 01:01 PM | REPLY |

Yeah, he's winning by a lot.

#180 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-11 11:34 PM | Reply

Bidens a chump. A corporate gasbag. Madbomber Should love him, he will look out for massa's portfolios. The little people will all know their place and peace will reign while the richest take more from everyone else and throw him crumbs.

#181 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-11 11:54 PM | Reply

effete
/'f"t/

adjective: effete

(of a person) affected, overrefined, and ineffectual.

Similar:

weakened
enfeebled
enervated
worn out
exhausted

#182 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-11 11:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#182 :

Americanunity

/'mer'k'n//yoon'd"/

1. Someone who sows discord, hate, and divisiveness in spite of what his handle implies

#183 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-12 12:06 AM | Reply

Bidens a chump. A corporate gasbag. Madbomber Should love him, he will look out for massa's portfolios. The little people will all know their place and peace will reign while the richest take more from everyone else and throw him crumbs.

#181 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER AT 2020-03-11 11:54 PM | REPLY

Democracy is a beautiful thing.

#184 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-12 01:16 AM | Reply

Goatman

noun

A half-man, half-goat creature that is believed by some to be the result of a USDA experiment that went horribly wrong. The Goatman roams PG county, MD Drudge.com, terrorizing childishly trolling & head-butting its citizens fellow users, and is purported to eat small pets. There remains some discrepancy over which half of him is goat and which is man.

www.urbandictionary.com

#185 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-12 02:05 AM | Reply

Go Terps!

#186 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-12 02:34 AM | Reply

"Enjoy western europe while arguing nobody else should have it. Have a great day!"

I'll say it again...you may not know what you're asking for. You personally may, but you're fellow B-Bros, definitely not. I'm fairly certain you're fellow Bros don't want a 20% VAT. Or the government determining when and if they get to attend college. Or what their career is going to be and where they are going to work.

As far as I can tell, the Bros want the benefits of living in Western Europe, without having to pay for it. And certainly that's what Bernie is offering them.

#187 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-12 03:53 AM | Reply

"They won't let you become German, but you are free(as in legal) to work there in the private sector, as an American citizen."

This is another one of those times where you should have done a quick google search before you started spouting --------.

#188 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-12 03:54 AM | Reply

Technically, I'm already a German. This is where my family came from several hundred years ago, via Russia.

#189 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-12 03:55 AM | Reply

"You don't think you owe it to her to explain how Capitalism depends on government bailouts to prevent panics, crashes, maintain market stability."

No...because capitalism doesn't require those things. The US employs monetarist policy to smooth out market forces, and most people think that's OK, but in the absence of policy the free market would continue...only with greater periods of boom and bust.

#190 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-12 03:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden was right and good for him...all of us need to do that too Thinskinners. It will make them run out and get more guns. Then we can let Darwin take its course. Statistically speaking they will kill each other or themselves with those firearms.

#191 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-03-12 05:31 AM | Reply

Before this thread goes away I want to say that I've read it from beginning to end and I'm proud of everybody who kept it civil and on point. We've all agreed to agree, agreed to disagree and argued our points like ladies and gentlemen about some very contentious issues.

We need more of this.

#192 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-12 05:37 AM | Reply

As far as I can tell, the Bros want the benefits of living in Western Europe, without having to pay for it

What this baseless claim ignores is that Americans are already used to paying far more per capital for healthcare than any other nation on earth. You could - literally - take the money Americans and their employers pay for healthcare and finance Medicare for All, right now, without needing to find a dime anywhere else.

I'm willing to pay more in taxes to fund the other programs Bernie proposes. Many other people are not. The Congress is the place for such a debate. But we deserve a president who will start that debate when much of what he proposes is simply ushering us into the first world with things like paid sick leave, universal childcare, etc.

The more noxious proposals will never make it through Congress. That's how this country works. But i will never understand why we should elect a president who doesn't even want to have this discussion.

#193 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-12 06:39 AM | Reply

How each presidential candidate would address the outrageous cost of childcare

Joe Biden
While Biden has pledged his support for affordable childcare, he hasn't gone into much detail. Biden has, however, stated his support for a childcare tax credit, and his education plan promises pre-kindergarten for all children. "When I'm President, parents will get up to $8,000 in tax credits to offset the cost of childcare," he recently told Fortune and Time's Up. "All 3- and 4-year-olds will be able to attend high-quality, universal pre-kindergarten at no cost, and after-school programs and community centers will have additional funding to serve kids when school isn't in session."

Bernie Sanders
Sanders, too, is in favor of universal childcare and pre-kindergarten programs. But as in the 2016 election, Sanders hasn't elaborated or explained how he intends to pay for the program. In 2011, Sanders had sponsored the Foundations for Success Act. The bill never reached a vote"but the goal was to provide childcare and early education for all children, from when they were six weeks old through kindergarten.


www.fastcompany.com

#194 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 07:09 AM | Reply

Joe Biden Makes an Emotional Appeal for Paid Family Leave 01/29/16

Andrew Cuomo and Joe Biden are best known for their jobs"governor of New York, vice president of the United States"but on a stage in Manhattan today they leaned into other identities: a son who had lost his father, and a father who had lost his son.

Mr. Biden joined Mr. Cuomo at a Manhattan YMCA to lend his support to the governor's push to mandate three months of paid family leave, funded by employee contributions, in this year's state budget. The paid leave would allow employees to care for a newborn infant or a sick loved one.


observer.com

#195 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 07:24 AM | Reply

Bernie Sanders

Guarantee all workers paid family and medical leave, paid sick leave and paid vacation.

berniesanders.com

#196 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 07:27 AM | Reply

It's easy to promise ---- you have no ability to deliver.

#197 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-12 07:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

they imply that Bernie's loss in 2016 (and his upcoming loss this year) was due to some conspiracy within the DNC

There was a conspiracy in 2016. I'm not sure I can blame them considering he never wanted to part of the Democratic Party.

It's fine to believe the DNC simply got lucky when all the moderates simultaneously dropped out and endorsed one of their own whilst the two lefty(ish) candidates split the votes in MA, TX and MI.
It's picking pepper out of gnat ---- anyway.
Bernie can't be nominated because the people that run this country wont allow it.
A socialist? hello....wake up....rise and shine...

FOX hosts skew right and CNN hosts skew (almost-kinda) left. But their bosses go to the same diner parties. Those guys all play for Team Capitalism and they are on the longest winning streak since Pax Romana. They have 80 years of unchallenged propaganda on their side. They would devote all of their considerable resources to squashing any notion that capitalism doesn't fix everything, never mind that it might actually be the root of some of our problems. The Sunday morning shows would be replaced with actors reading excerpts from The Gulag Archipelago. Netflix would have a Lil Red Book miniseries by October.
We'd have a scenario where both political parties and every major media outlet want the same outcome.

Picture a frail old man challenging someone 40 years his younger to a fist fight, but instead of getting beat up Sputnik falls from the sky onto on his head.

#198 | Posted by BluSky at 2020-03-12 08:38 AM | Reply

They're on whatever side of the spectrum they need to be when convenient. Best to just say Fox News skews Republican. CNN skews Democrat.

#199 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-12 01:48 PM | Reply

I'm glad you and your fat ass got a laugh.

#161 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Aren't you the one who always says that people descend into insults when they have lost an argument? Thank you for admitting defeat.

And keep thinking the economy is going to be good in November. That kool-aid must be mighty tasty considering how much and how often you guzzle it down.

Why do you think the stock market is crashing? Because a few tar sands workers are going to lose their jobs? No. Because the market is predicting that the country (and the world) is headed into a recession (if not a depression). Energy production was the only thing that was keeping the conservative mismanagement of the economy propped up, and you are about to lose that. Not only that, people are going to be staying home, not spending money traveling, going out to eat, going to sporting events, going to the movies, etc (decreasing demand for those services). And there are going to be a lot of people who end up staying home from work (decreasing productive output).

And the market crashed more TODAY because Trump last night made it clear that conservatives are over their heads when it comes to responding to this crisis.

But go ahead and put your head in the sand. Just bring up Trump on a video loop saying that everything will be fine, that this is no worse than the flu. We will see how that works out for you.

#200 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-12 02:27 PM | Reply

#200 -- "Aren't you the one who always says that people descend into insults when they have lost an argument? Thank you for admitting defeat."

I was using your own post. You said LMFAO. That stands for "Laughing My Fat Ass Off".

And "Thank you for admitting defeat" Really? A self declred victory? LOL One's opponents are always defeated when that person declares himself the referee.

Sorry your victories are so shallow. Don't break the mirror high fiving yourself.

Now go cuddle with the plastic trophy you must bought yourself.

Pathetic.

#201 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-12 02:34 PM | Reply

"Why do you think the stock market is crashing?

#200 | POSTED BY GTBRITISHSKULL "

For the same reason every stock market around the world is crashing: The Corona Virus. Did you really think the US stock markets would be immune to it? Wow.

You really do need to keep up, dude.

#202 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-12 02:36 PM | Reply

Goat,

Actually I think that acronym stands for Laughing my ------- Ass Off. But, I understand how it can be interpreted as Fat as well.

#203 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-12 02:37 PM | Reply

"Actually I think that acronym stands for Laughing my ------- Ass Off. But, I understand how it can be interpreted as Fat as well.

#203 | POSTED BY JEFFJ "

I did not know that. If that's the case then:

GTBRITISHSKULL, I amend my original post to, "I'm glad you and your ---- ass got a laugh. " You can put the paper bag down now.

#204 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-12 02:40 PM | Reply

I always use the F as the curse word. I will say that my mom originally thought LMBO was laughing my ----- off and I thought that was hilarious...

#205 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-03-12 03:34 PM | Reply

LMBO was laughing my ----- off

That's funny AF!

#206 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-12 07:05 PM | Reply

JUSTAGIRL

I never understood why men use it in a derogatory way and then call it "getting lucky," knowing full well they'd walk over broken glass for the slightest opportunity.

#207 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-13 01:21 AM | Reply

"What this baseless claim ignores is that Americans are already used to paying far more per capital for healthcare than any other nation on earth. You could - literally - take the money Americans and their employers pay for healthcare and finance Medicare for All, right now, without needing to find a dime anywhere else."

I'm not sure your numbers pan out Bro. Or you're making assumptions that are likely unrealistic. Like slashing pay for doctors and other healthcare providers and assuming it won't change their behavior.

#208 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-13 03:22 AM | Reply

"I'm willing to pay more in taxes to fund the other programs Bernie proposes. Many other people are not. The Congress is the place for such a debate. But we deserve a president who will start that debate when much of what he proposes is simply ushering us into the first world with things like paid sick leave, universal childcare, etc."

I don't disagree with you one bit Joe, but here's the problem. Bernie is not that person. Bernie has the intellectual capacity of a teenager. Always has. He's a child trapped in an old man's body. He's rigidly ideological, which is going to turn people off even if he did promote a good idea.

Bernie has campaigned on the making the US more like western Europe, but without actually trying to emulate Western Europe. Virtually every country in Europe has a decent healthcare system that he could have tried to emulate. Instead, he proposes an authoritarian form of healthcare where citizens have no say and no rights. And more importantly, no legal alternative. As for the rest...that's really a decision that taxpayers needs to make. And I say taxpayers, not voters, because a relatively small number of people would be paying for sick leave or universal childcare, even while everyone would have it as a benefit. UNLESS, of course, it was funded by a VAT. But if it were, I don't think it would get much support. Do you?

#209 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-13 03:28 AM | Reply

"Virtually every country in Europe has a decent healthcare system that he could have tried to emulate."

If somehow Bernie Sanders becomes President, then this discussion will happen, and we'll all become experts on which European health care system is the best/worst, depending on whether you're a Democrat or a Republican.

This isn't a thing he can do by fiat; and Congress won't let him do what you're saying, and the Courts probably wouldn't either, if it truly threatens public health.

#210 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-13 03:55 AM | Reply

"And I say taxpayers, not voters, "

^
Back to pretending the income tax is the only tax, which for you, is right as rain.

#211 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-13 03:59 AM | Reply

#210

Two things. First, Bernie is alienating voters of all stripes by proposing a very draconian version of healthcare that's pretty rare, and provides a service of far lower quality than contemporary systems. And since it's Bernie, we know he's not trying to negotiate his way down. Like Trump Bernie is rigid in his ideological commitment. He's known for meaning what he says.

#212 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-13 08:37 AM | Reply

"Back to pretending the income tax is the only tax, which for you, is right as rain."

In this case, it's completely accurate. All taxpayers contribute to Medicare and SS. But for many, that's where it ends. Payroll taxes as they stand wouldn't be used to fund healthcare, or education, or sick leave or whatever. And since the entering argument is that these would be federally funded programs, there would be a limited number of taxpayers who would be contributing more than they would be gaining.

#213 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-13 08:40 AM | Reply

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