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Wednesday, March 11, 2020

President Trump will soon discuss the coronavirus pandemic in an address from the Oval Office. A source briefed on the speech said senior White House adviser Stephen Miller is a "driving force" behind tonight's speech. Trump is expected to urge common sense to Americans, asking the public to follow the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommendations to wash hands and social distancing. This is notable as Trump does not follow all of the CDC recommendations himself, as in shaking hands. -- CNN

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best economy ever!

love me daddy!

-Trump

#1 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-03-11 09:09 PM | Reply

Happy face nucking fitwit.

Panglossian hairbag.

#2 | Posted by contrecoup at 2020-03-11 09:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Cool... people too sick to werk won't have payroll taxes taken out of the checks they don't get. Brilliant!

www.bloomberg.com

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 09:12 PM | Reply

A "foreign" virus..... Corona is an illegal immigrant? Got it.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 09:15 PM | Reply

Put up a thread on this as well - highlighting Trump's ban on all travel from Europe, because that's where he said we got our infections from...

#5 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-11 09:15 PM | Reply

What about the virus inhabiting the oval office tonight?

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 09:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

Can this national nightmare just end??!?

#7 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 09:17 PM | Reply

I thought Trump said this was a hoax?

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-11 09:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

So, if I get to the US from Europe via Brazil, is that OK?

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-11 09:18 PM | Reply

Is there an analysis out yet on all the carefully arranged props behind him?

I'm disappointed... I was expecting the Churchill bust.

#10 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-03-11 09:19 PM | Reply

Or, more directly, if I get to the US from Germany via the UK, that obviously is OK.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-11 09:19 PM | Reply

"highlighting Trump's ban on all travel from Europe, because that's where he said we got our infections from..."

Good call. That's probably not true,
Thomas Pallini Feb 26, 2020, 5:05 PM
Korean Air flight attendant with coronavirus reportedly serviced 400-seat aircraft that flew between South Korea and US twice " here's the list of the known routes she flew
www.businessinsider.com

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 09:19 PM | Reply

#6 - hm. A step up from a prion, more than a viroid, but not quite a bacteria. Virus sounds about right...

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-11 09:19 PM | Reply

Currently wondering if this is why I got that passport right after Trump got elected...

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 09:20 PM | Reply

I wish he was not our president.

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 09:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He sounds like he has brain cancer.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 09:21 PM | Reply

Oh Btw here comes a depression. Stopping all imports?

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 09:22 PM | Reply

hey righto- is there any thread you don't suck trumps balls on?

#19 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-03-11 09:26 PM | Reply

#19 - For $100, Alex, What is "There aren't any!"

#20 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-11 09:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So much for working together to mitigate this crisis.

#21 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-03-11 09:28 PM | Reply

Hey, ROC, serious question. How do you type when you hands are busy fondling Trump's junk?

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 09:28 PM | Reply

Pretty basic question.

The virus originated in China.

How come he didn't stop imports from Asia?

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 09:30 PM | Reply

So much for working together to mitigate this crisis.

Trump's late to the party after deny, deny, deny. He and his admin left it up to the States to do what they can. He then blasted Washington State's Governor as being "a snake."

Don't come in here complaining now about working together.

I think we all welcome Trump to the party, unfashionably late as he is, just not convinced he'll add any real value. Fingers crossed he does.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-11 09:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Jeff and ROC-proud members of the cut off their noses to pwn liberals brigade.

#26 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 09:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I think we all welcome Trump to the party, unfashionably late as he is, just not convinced he'll add any real value. Fingers crossed he does.
#25 | Posted by YAV

More like how much of his speech will be nullified by his tweets, corrections by the WH staff and backpedaling on policy.

#27 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 09:33 PM | Reply

#27 - Yeah. He has an unbroken track record for that, doesn't he?

#28 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-11 09:34 PM | Reply

At least we were prepared for this... it's not like Trump fired anyone who knew anything about pandemics a couple of years ago.... oh, wait....

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 09:35 PM | Reply

"You have been an over-reactive bitch lately, Alex. "

troll harder, biden voter.

#30 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-03-11 09:40 PM | Reply

Baby steps, fellow libs. He looked like he was ready to have a coronary, and he didn't talk enough about testing and all kinds of stuff, but at least he didn't come out attacking Nancy Pelosi or the fake news.

#31 | Posted by cbob at 2020-03-11 09:40 PM | Reply

RightoCenter's only contribution to this discussion was to bash liberals. He didn't have a word to say about Trump's address.

That ---- gets old, particularly coming from users who I know have something worthwhile to say.

#32 | Posted by rcade at 2020-03-11 09:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump excludes the UK from the travel ban. So, business at his golf courses can continue unabated.

#33 | Posted by anton at 2020-03-11 09:43 PM | Reply

If people are sitting at home NOT getting paid, reducing their payroll taxes is not going to help them all that much?

OCU

#34 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-03-11 09:43 PM | Reply

Isn't it a bit too late to halt travel from Europe? The virus is already here. BTW, what about travel from Asia? And South America?

OCU

#35 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-03-11 09:44 PM | Reply

And exactly which businesses is Trump going to ask that the Treasury Department adjust/forgo their taxes? Golf courses and luxury hotels & resorts?

OCU

#36 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-03-11 09:45 PM | Reply

Trump's speech should have focused entirely on efforts to mitigate this global disaster. Instead spent a lot of time spinning ("foreign virus", blame-shifting to Europe) and dodging accountability for the inadequate U.S. response to date.

We have to do everything we can to flatten the curve, encourage social distancing and help people harmed economically by that distancing.

#37 | Posted by rcade at 2020-03-11 09:45 PM | Reply

Trump met with several Brazilian officials over the weekend at Mar-A-Lago. Today it was revealed that at least one these officials has been quarantined and is suspected of having the virus. Again what about travel to South America?

OCU

#38 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-03-11 09:46 PM | Reply

While in Florida over the weekend, Trump attended two fundraisers, each with more than 1,000 people in attendance, and Trump acted as if the virus didn't even exist, shaking hands and kissing women.

OCU

#39 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-03-11 09:48 PM | Reply

The NBA just suspended their season due to at least one player testing positive for the virus.

We've entered totally uncharted territory and this is just the first big shoe to drop.

#40 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-11 09:50 PM | Reply

Trump's speech should have focused entirely on efforts to mitigate this global disaster. Instead spent a lot of time spinning ("foreign virus", blame-shifting to Europe) and dodging accountability for the inadequate U.S. response to date.

We have to do everything we can to flatten the curve, encourage social distancing and help people harmed economically by that distancing.

#37 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2020-03-11 09:45 PM | FLAG:

I agree entirely, but my God, Rogers, yesterday he was still saying it was all fake. He looked spooked, like a damn deer in the headlights, tonight. Somebody has gotten to him and scared the ---- out of him. He's starting to understand that, if nothing else, his legacy is at stake.

#41 | Posted by cbob at 2020-03-11 09:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Somebody has gotten to him and scared the ---- out of him.

Jared.

#42 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-11 09:54 PM | Reply

#32 there are a few on this site who do virtually nothing other than bash conservatives and stalk certain conservatives. Just sayin'

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 09:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He looked spooked, like a damn deer in the headlights, tonight.

Maybe someone finally conveyed that Trump has been in the same room with a number of people who have been positively diagnosed with it

#44 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-03-11 09:58 PM | Reply

He did seem to be breathing heavily.

#45 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-03-11 10:00 PM | Reply

My wife and I were talking about this a little bit today and this is how she framed it: imagine a Michigan football game where every fan who walked through the gates caught this virus. Roughly 3000 of them would die.

Damn!

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 10:01 PM | Reply

Robert Costa @costareports
40m per @CNBC

at 9:17 p.m. ET, "Dow futures drop 600 points as Trump speech disappoints investors"

#47 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-11 10:02 PM | Reply

He did seem to be breathing heavily.

POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2020-03-11 10:00 PM | REPLY

He's fat. It comes with the territory.

#48 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-11 10:02 PM | Reply

"I've been watching Presidential speeches for decades. have never seen a President look more nervous, more unsure of what he was saying, than tonight." -- Jeff Greenfield

twitter.com

I wouldn't go that far, but he didn't do a good job of conveying reassurance. Maybe he should've found somebody better than the anti-immigrant obsessed freak Stephen Miller to help with the speech.

#49 | Posted by rcade at 2020-03-11 10:03 PM | Reply

He's fat. It comes with the territory.

Not when you're sitting at a desk! Do you think he ran upstairs to give the speech?

#50 | Posted by rcade at 2020-03-11 10:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not when you're sitting at a desk! Do you think he ran upstairs to give the speech?

POSTED BY RCADE AT 2020-03-11 10:04 PM | REPLY

You have obviously never been fat a day in your life. Your stomach pulls down putting weight on your lungs. I know because I too am fat.

#51 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-11 10:07 PM | Reply

#32 Rcade,

I'm constantly surprised by what sets you off and what doesn't.

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 10:08 PM | Reply

50 governors can do something. They dont need the Fed to instruct them how to protect their own constituents.

#53 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-03-11 10:08 PM | Reply

He's fat. It comes with the territory.
Not when you're sitting at a desk! Do you think he ran upstairs to give the speech?
#50 | POSTED BY RCADE

I have a friend. He's a big boy. Played both sides of the ball in high school football.
He sweats when he eats.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 10:08 PM | Reply

Best place is in a reclining position. At least for me.

#55 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-11 10:12 PM | Reply

#50 maybe Stormy Daniels was under the desk?

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 10:12 PM | Reply

The Hair is looking slim, though. It may have found a cure and not be telling Donald.

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 10:12 PM | Reply

50 governors can do something. They dont need the Fed to instruct them how to protect their own constituents.
#53 | POSTED BY PETROUS

I'm not so sure.
Trump should draw them a map, like that time he knew better than the Federal Government where the hurricane was going.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 10:13 PM | Reply

#53 while that's true, nothing wrong with an all hands on deck approach.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 10:13 PM | Reply

I'm constantly surprised by what sets you off and what doesn't.
#52 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

He's pretty consistent.

You dumbfffkers set him off.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-11 10:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"And no, it doesn't matter how hot you set the water temperature on your machine. "When it comes to molds that cause skin or respiratory infections, or organisms that cause colds, flu and stomach flu, most of them will survive the wash cycle," she says."

time.com

Crikey! Is nowhere safe?

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 10:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not when you're sitting at a desk! Do you think he ran upstairs to give the speech?

#50 | POSTED BY RCADE

The image of the president rush-waddling to and through a flight of stairs to make it to the podium on time...

Cursed image, but hilarious

#62 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-03-11 10:18 PM | Reply

#53 - That's what's been going on. That earned a "he's a snake!" charge by Trump for Inslee.
Can you imagine how well that would have worked with Ebola?

Jeff - Roughly 3000 of them would die.

Based on the estimates of expected infection the current projection is for about 4 million deaths in the U.S. (I calculated that number based on R0, projected infection rates, etc.) This is why social distancing and mitigation is critical.

From other sources: we're on track with Italy, but delayed a bit based on when our first infection occurred (compared to theirs). At this rate hospitals in the U.S. will be overwhelmed in about 9 days.

back to my editorial commenting: This is why that infection curve has to be flattened, and why restrictions need to be in place now.

#63 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-11 10:19 PM | Reply

Ocu,

"If people are sitting at home NOT getting paid, reducing their payroll taxes is not going to help them all that much?"

I thought the point of reducing payroll taxes was to help with the economy?

Funny....when Obama reduced payroll taxes to stimulate the economy, it was a good thing.

When Trump does it, it's not a good thing.

Odd how that works.

#64 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-03-11 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- seems to have gotten the message. How long it will stay in that festering miasma between his ears is anyone's guess. My guess is early afternoon he will be backpedaling when the dow sinks.

I wonder who made the policy decisions, especially the European travel ban. It doesn't seem well thought out.

#65 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 10:22 PM | Reply

"At this rate hospitals in the U.S. will be overwhelmed in about 9 days."

What's the over/under on the number of Trump's golfing trips in the next 9 days?

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 10:22 PM | Reply

#64

It's only in place through the Nov election... odd how that werks.

The point should be helping those who specifically need help first.

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 10:22 PM | Reply

I thought the point of reducing payroll taxes was to help with the economy?
Funny....when Obama reduced payroll taxes to stimulate the economy, it was a good thing.
When Trump does it, it's not a good thing.
Odd how that works.
#64 | Posted by BillJohnson

When Obama did it, people were working and getting paid, thus providing them with more spending money to stimulate the economy.

In this instance, people won't be working, thus not earning income that won't be taxed.

see the difference?

#68 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 10:24 PM | Reply

Ocu,

Listening to NPR today, someone was talking about Trump proposing reducing payroll taxes and this person said, "it's going to help the people who need it least".

Is that blind stupidity or what?

#69 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-03-11 10:25 PM | Reply

"I wonder who made the policy decisions, especially the European travel ban. It doesn't seem well thought out."

Unfortunately, not being well thought out doesn't really finger anyone in particular in the current Trump retinue.
Think of all the competent leadership that could have helped with this. Tillerson and Mattis come immediately to mind.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 10:25 PM | Reply

Truth,

Your version of "truth" must actually hurt considering where it comes from.

#71 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-03-11 10:25 PM | Reply

Game Changer: Tom Hanks tested positive for the coronavirus.

#72 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 10:25 PM | Reply

It's accurate, Bill.

#73 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-11 10:26 PM | Reply

My wife was on the plane ready to take off when they announced... now she's on her way back and my bachelor weekend is ruined.

#74 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-03-11 10:26 PM | Reply

Truth,
Your version of "truth" must actually hurt considering where it comes from.
#71 | Posted by BillJohnson

The device has yet to be invented that will permit me to interpret meaning in this post.

#75 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 10:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

That ---- gets old, particularly coming from users who I know have something worthwhile to say.
#32 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2020-03-11 09:42 PM

Can someone link me to a worthwhile post by ROC?

#76 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 10:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Listening to NPR today, someone was talking about Trump proposing reducing payroll taxes and this person said, "it's going to help the people who need it least".
Is that blind stupidity or what?"

I've been wondering how eliminating the payroll tax helps stop spread the virus, and/or helps those affected.
Anyone know?

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 10:27 PM | Reply

#75 He's trying to say you pulled it out your a--.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 10:28 PM | Reply

- social distancing and mitigation is critical.

Words to live by. Literally.

Published:March 09, 2020

What has happened in China shows that quarantine, social distancing, and isolation of infected populations can contain the epidemic.1 This impact of the COVID-19 response in China is encouraging for the many countries where COVID-19 is beginning to spread. However, it is unclear whether other countries can implement the stringent measures China eventually adopted. Singapore and Hong Kong, both of which had severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) epidemics in 2002"03, provide hope and many lessons to other countries. In both places, COVID-19 has been managed well to date, despite early cases, by early government action and through social distancing measures taken by individuals.

www.thelancet.com(20)30567-5/fulltext

#79 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 10:29 PM | Reply

Conservatives never pass up an opportunity to cut taxes.

#80 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 10:29 PM | Reply

Truth,

The point of the tax cut is to stimulate the slowing economy.

And not just to benefit people who are getting sick.

A slowing economy will hurt EVERYONE.

#81 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-03-11 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hanks and wife Rita. In quarantine.

Senator Cantwell (Washington State) has a staff member that's tested positive for COVID-19. She is in quarantine, and the offices are being disinfected, top to bottom. Fingers crossed for her, she's a great Senator.

#82 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-11 10:30 PM | Reply

#82 was a bit jumbled. Fingers crossed for Cantwell, she's a great Senator. Of course best wishes to her staff member as well!

#83 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-11 10:32 PM | Reply

Bill.... you might want to read the article linked at #3 for some better alternatives....

www.bloomberg.com

#84 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 10:32 PM | Reply

The point of the tax cut is to stimulate the slowing economy.
And not just to benefit people who are getting sick.
A slowing economy will hurt EVERYONE.
#81 | Posted by BillJohnson

Ok, fair enough, I admit I was being something of a -----. But the people who really need the help will be those workers who don't receive paid sick leave. Not sure if that was mentioned tonight.

#85 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-11 10:32 PM | Reply

#81

Bill, stay with me here okay?

Not everyone in the US has a job nor pays payroll taxes, yet they consume and live as well. As the economy slows, people with jobs are being laid off already, ie. they will NOT be getting paychecks! If they don't get paychecks, then a payroll tax holiday will not help them.

Understand now?

#86 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-11 10:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The point of the tax cut is to stimulate the slowing economy.

Except, historically, it never does that.

The only purpose for a tax cut is to enrich the already rich.

Between BushJr's tax cuts and the Trump tax cut, our economy should be roaring.

Meanwhile, homelessness is rampant and the rich are richer than ever before.

#87 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-11 10:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Listening to NPR today, someone was talking about Trump proposing reducing payroll taxes and this person said, "it's going to help the people who need it least".
Is that blind stupidity or what?"

No, it's common sense. If you're still receiving a paycheck, you have income and might not need that specific taxbreak.

If you're NOT getting a paycheck, a payroll tax holiday does not help you one bit because you have no payroll tax burden to be relieved from.

#88 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-11 10:39 PM | Reply

Conservatives never pass up an opportunity to cut taxes.

It serves two purposes.

It hurts the United States government conservatives hate so much.

It helps their big money donors pocket more money and put it in their Panama Bank accounts.

Meanwhile, America suffers.

#89 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-11 10:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Fingers crossed for Cantwell, she's a great Senator. Of course best wishes to her staff member as well!"

Maria Cantwell, I installed some IT equipment in her Seattle office once upon a time.
As I recall it was a private email server...
Just kidding I actually reported up to the Senate Sargent-At-Arms on that gig. Not the actual dude, but his office.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 10:40 PM | Reply

That ---- gets old, particularly coming from users who I know have something worthwhile to say.

#32 | Posted by rcade

Not lately.

He's been sliding down the same rabbit hole Nulli is currently still in.

#91 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-11 10:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Bill will come around....

"Republicans might be more willing to work with Trump on cash payments to low-income households in high-risk areas because they would add relatively less to federal deficits and debt. Many Republicans are also skeptical of the efficacy of a payroll-tax cut to boost the economy and calm markets.

But the point of cash payments to the vulnerable is different " it is to help the neediest people most affected by the virus. Democrats, who are skeptical of tax cuts and who are calling for more targeted measures, would probably be warmer to this, as well."

from the linked article in 84

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 10:43 PM | Reply

"But the people who really need the help will be those workers who don't receive paid sick leave. "

They will come to work, sick, like they always do, because that's what we do in America.
Plenty of people with salaried jobs and sick time to burn, will come to work sick, in America.

I'd bet most everyone here who has ever gotten sick while working for a wage has had this experience:
You call in sick, and they tell you to come in anyway.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 10:44 PM | Reply

"A slowing economy will hurt EVERYONE."

It's like I'm nobody to you any more!
--George Soros

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 10:47 PM | Reply

#63 Yav,

At my son's high school the band program has one fundraiser per year and it is one heck of a party. It's scheduled a couple of weeks from now and the band director just cancelled it (hoping to reschedule it for later in Spring if this Dos Equis thing burns out by then). His reasoning was a lot of grandparents attend this event...

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 10:48 PM | Reply

#93

Yep.... those damn social democrats in N. Europe may be the only survivors. Well, besides Portland.

#96 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 10:48 PM | Reply

#76 and #91

Pretty cool to take lot shots at someone who can't reply. / snark

#97 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 10:49 PM | Reply

At this rate hospitals in the U.S. will be overwhelmed in about 9 days.

That seems a bit fast...

But I think the time is past where your area being coronavirus-free is a poor assumption. Even if it truly is, start acting like it's not and begin developing the proper habits and practices to avoid contracting or spreading the virus.

Doubly so if you're older or have health conditions.

#98 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-11 10:51 PM | Reply

Pretty cool to take lot shots at someone who can't reply. / snark

#97 | Posted by JeffJ

Yawn.

He's been doing nothing but the

'speak for others'
-others

schtick lately. It was old and, while it used to be funny, was just bad.

#99 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-11 10:53 PM | Reply

#97 lot shots should be pot shots.

#100 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 10:55 PM | Reply

I wonder if Dos Equis virus has the courage to infect Frank Cotton.

#101 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 10:56 PM | Reply

--there are a few on this site who do virtually nothing other than bash conservatives

Take Aborted Monson and the "child -----" guy...please!

#102 | Posted by nullifidian at 2020-03-11 10:57 PM | Reply

Wonder when all the groceries will start flying off the store shelves like in a hurricane?

I think I'll cut my visits to once a month.

It's hard to go anywhere without touching something someone else touched or sneezed on.

#103 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 10:57 PM | Reply

Is this a virus that dies off when the weather gets warm?

#104 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 10:58 PM | Reply

Pretty cool to take lot shots at someone who can't reply. / snark

#97 | Posted by JeffJ

You do it to me all of the time. It must not bother you much then.

#105 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-11 10:58 PM | Reply

Is this a virus that dies off when the weather gets warm?

#104 | Posted by JeffJ

Don't know yet.

That's been one of the major questions doctors and scientists are anticipating.

#106 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-11 10:59 PM | Reply

Has anyone seen how many major policy statements from this speech the WH has already had to correct?

European cargo ban (not true)
Failed to say European travel ban doesn't apply to Americans
Said insurers have agreed to waive copays for Coronavirus treatment (they have not)

How can he get so much wrong in a speech designed to convey control, where he is reading from a script?

#107 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 11:01 PM | Reply

"Is this a virus that dies off when the weather gets warm?"

I believe that's the hope and expectation, based on previous SARS experience, and flu season in general.

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 11:02 PM | Reply

"Failed to say European travel ban doesn't apply to Americans"

Because it's a Foreign Virus!
#MAGA

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 11:02 PM | Reply

= when the weather gets warm?

Like a natural Florida vaccination? And we thought it was crowded here before.

#110 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 11:03 PM | Reply

"Said insurers have agreed to waive copays for Coronavirus treatment (they have not)"

Damn liberals.
Always after me Lucky Charms!
I mean, always assigning false positions!

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 11:04 PM | Reply

Is this a virus that dies off when the weather gets warm?

The answer I heard from an expert is that the spread of the virus will slow as the weather warms up, but it will not be "dead."

And as soon as the weather cools again, the virus will reemerge with a vengeance. If it follows the pattern of the 1918 flu epidemic, the second winter's outbreak was deadlier than the first's.

#112 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-11 11:05 PM | Reply

I'm not even commenting on the merits of the proposals, as much as the fact that the entire point of a speech like this is to convey competence and control. Having the mop everything up afterwards does the exact opposite.

#113 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-11 11:06 PM | Reply

#105

Project much? You do that to me constantly.

If you are butt hurt over my attempts today at humor with a couple of your double posts you need to seriously lighten up. First, those weren't even pot shots as most of us have double posted at one time or another, I know I have. And secondly whatever pot shots you think I've taken at your expense were NOT taken while you were in DR jail.

#114 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 11:06 PM | Reply

#110

I'm coming to Florida this weekend for a wedding. Better bust out your HAZMAT suit.

#115 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 11:08 PM | Reply

- DR jail.

aka Hotel Dulli or Goatman's Barn.

#116 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 11:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#112. Let's hope that isn't the case with this one, Tony.

As an aside....my wife told me that she heard the origin of this virus was some dude in Wuhan bought a live bat and ate it and that's where the first human transmission of this virus occurred. I don't know if that's true or not...

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 11:11 PM | Reply

#115

I was going to send you to the store for me, but on second thought.

Although I understand that most Polish people have built up a natural layer of Kielbasa-based skin protection.

#118 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 11:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And as soon as the weather cools again, the virus will reemerge with a vengeance. If it follows the pattern of the 1918 flu epidemic, the second winter's outbreak was deadlier than the first's.

#112 | Posted by tonyroma

We're on the tail end of influenza season right now.

It'll smoulder over the summer (if it does...) then spike in autumn with the season uptick of influenza.

If it follows 1918 there will be multiple waves over two years.

#119 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-11 11:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#118. Correct, Cork.

It's very much like the "condoms" in "Naked Gun".

#120 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 11:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I guess we can hope that this disaster brings us together as a nation... um, would you mind standing 5 feet away? Thanks!

(I was sitting in a waiting line outside on the long benches for Bass Champions restaurant today when some guy set next me fairly close. I reached for my phone and casually shifted a little bit away.... but then he shifted a little the other way, so he caught me doing it, lol)

#121 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 11:23 PM | Reply

- set next me

That must be Texan for sat next to me.

#122 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-11 11:25 PM | Reply

50 governors can do something. They dont need the Fed to instruct them how to protect their own constituents.

#53 | Posted by Petrous

They could do more if Trump would declare the state of emergency that would release resources to states to deal with it and get FEMA involved, as many behind the scenes are calling for.

This IS a national emergency.

Trump won't declare a national emergency because he'd have to acknowledge the seriousness of this outbreak that he has repeatedly downplayed while experts in government say the opposite.

#123 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-11 11:29 PM | Reply

#105
Project much? You do that to me constantly.
If you are butt hurt over my attempts today at humor with a couple of your double posts you need to seriously lighten up. First, those weren't even pot shots as most of us have double posted at one time or another, I know I have. And secondly whatever pot shots you think I've taken at your expense were NOT taken while you were in DR jail.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2020-03-11 11:06 PM | REPLY

I don't care. I'm not the one belly aching about people calling out someone who can't defend themselves at the moment.

#124 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-11 11:35 PM | Reply

You clearly do care or you wouldn't have brought it up.

#125 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-11 11:39 PM | Reply

"...Goatman's Barn.
#116 | POSTED BY CORKY "

Until now, I had not posted in this thread.

Why do you allow me free and unfettered access to your vacuous skull? Try thinking about Baseball or Ricky Martin next time you feel the urge to speak of me.

#126 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-11 11:44 PM | Reply

As an aside....my wife told me that she heard the origin of this virus was some dude in Wuhan bought a live bat and ate it and that's where the first human transmission of this virus occurred. I don't know if that's true or not...
#117 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

That is where we stand.
www.quantamagazine.org
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
You might recall that bats are also a reservoir for Ebola.

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-11 11:48 PM | Reply

- Try thinking about Baseball or Ricky Martin next time you feel the urge to speak of me.

Rather than barfing? Good idea.

#128 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-12 12:06 AM | Reply

CSPAN continued recording 20 seconds after Trump signed off from his address tonight. Here' a link to the footage.

twitter.com

Don't think "Okay...." will engender much confidence in his stewardship since the Futures market is down over 1000 after his address.

#129 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-12 12:06 AM | Reply

"Good idea.

#128 | POSTED BY CORKY "

I know you'd like it.

Glad to help.

#130 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-12 12:08 AM | Reply

Did anyone notice the cows are all gone?

What's the point in closing the barn door now?

And the UK is magic? Ridiculousness. Negligence!

Where is the testing? Where is the testing? Where is the testing?
Where is the testing? Where is the testing? Where is the testing?
Where is the testing? Where is the testing? Where is the testing?
Where is the testing? Where is the testing? Where is the testing?

#131 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-12 12:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A slowing economy will hurt EVERYONE.

#81 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

The problem was not the economy stupid. Or so we have been told for three years and you bought it. You bought the bamboozle. And everyone who bought into the bamboozle will now get hurt. Thanks.

A little bug should not be able to budge the best economy in history.

We were not and are still not prepared.

Where is the testing?

#132 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-12 12:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

All 3 leading contenders for President are among the most susceptible to coronavirus. This could get interesting.

#133 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-03-12 12:49 AM | Reply

Don't think "Okay...." will engender much confidence in his stewardship since the Futures market is down over 1000 after his address.

#129 | Posted by tonyroma

His attitude was like, "Okay (thank god that chore is over. Now I can get back to watching FoxNews to see how great I did)"

#134 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-12 01:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wonder who made the policy decisions, especially the European travel ban. It doesn't seem well thought out.

#65 | Posted by truthhurt

Actually I fear that it was very well thought out...

That being said, why was the UK exempt from Trump's new travel ban?

What is it about the UK that's different from continental Europe?

And what about the Middle-East? Again, what makes the Middle-East different?

Well for one thing, the Trump Organization does NOT have any Trump-branded properties on the continent of Europe. However, they do have properties in the Middle-East AND the BRITISH ISLES. Two golf clubs in Dubai, Trump Tower Istanbul, two golf resorts in Scotland and one in Ireland.

Pretty convenient if you ask me...

OCU

#135 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-03-12 01:35 AM | Reply

Like a 5the grader reluctantly reading his report in front of the class.

#136 | Posted by fresno500 at 2020-03-12 05:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Notice how he exempted the one country in the Eurozone where he has resorts, the UK?

During the Muslim ban, it was interesting to note he exempted countries where he had resorts or business interests.

#137 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-12 06:26 AM | Reply

Womp, womp:

Shimon Prokupecz @ShimonPro

CNN: European countries appear to have been blindsided by President Trump's announcement on travel restrictions between the US and Europe and are working to digest what it means.

Sarah Owermohle @owermohle

Trump's claim tonight that health insurers "have agreed to waive all copayments for coronavirus treatments" seems to be news to them.

"For testing. Not for treatment." a spokesperson for the major insurance lobby AHIP says.

Shawn Donnan @sdonnan

It looks like he misspoke... White House officials being forced to clarify that [travel] restrictions will only apply to humans [not cargo]...

#138 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 06:26 AM | Reply

FRESNO

"Like a 5the grader reluctantly reading his report in front of the class."

That was my impression, too. But he was dutifully (monotone) reading something that was written in haste. At the conclusion he appeared quite angry about even being there at all.

Much of what Trump said was lies or, at the very minimum, uninformed and had to be cleaned up by a staffer.

What I saw was a president that was so disengaged he didn't care what he said. He just wanted to get the hell out of there.

#139 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-12 06:28 AM | Reply

Donald J. Trump
""
@realDonaldTrump
The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!

138K
2:42 PM - Feb 24, 2020

#140 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-03-12 06:31 AM | Reply

There is, as they say, a tweet for everything:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

It's almost like the United States has no President--we are a rudderless ship heading for a major disaster. Good luck everyone!
9:41 PM Mar 19, 2014

#141 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 06:37 AM | Reply

#139 | Posted by Twinpac

C-SPAN didn't realize the cameras were still on for 15 seconds after the conclusion of his address.

His attitude comes off like: "What a f-ing chore! Now I can get back to the bedroom to watch FoxNews and listen to how great I was."

twitter.com

#142 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-12 06:41 AM | Reply

Trump doesn't give a schitt about any of us.

#143 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-12 06:43 AM | Reply

#140

Trump repeatedly downplayed the potential for more COVID-19 cases in the U.S., and even suggested, falsely, that the number of American cases would fall.

Referencing the 15 known cases detected in the U.S. at the time of the press conference " a tally that does not include an additional 45 repatriation cases " Trump said, "the 15, within a couple of days, is going to be down to close to zero. That's a pretty good job we've done."

Later, after being asked about the CDC's recommendation for schools and other institutions to dust off their preparedness plans, Trump again suggested that the case total was in decline.

"I don't think it's going to come to that, especially with the fact that we're going down, not up," he said. "We're going very substantially down, not up."


Just some of the many lies Trump has told with regard to COVID-19, which has cost us precious preparation time:

FactChecking Trump's Coronavirus Press Conference February 27, 2020
www.factcheck.org

#144 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 06:46 AM | Reply

It just kills him to have to go on national tv to act like he cares.

Donald Trump captured in hot-mic-moment after his coronavirus address

President Donald Trump apparently didn't know that cameras were still rolling after he addressed the nation.

Watching a C-SPAN video revealed that Trump nonchalantly lamented, "Okaaaaaaaaay," and ripped off of his microphone.

Typically, the president gives the address and then pauses until he knows they are off. It's unclear why Trump didn't know here.

In this case, a voice can be heard saying, "we're clear," before Trump takes off his microphone. Staffers then come up to his left side asking for the microphone and the screen fades to black.
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"Everything is an act for him," noted Leah McElrath, who captured the mom
ent. "Everything is pretend. He has no sense of the gravity of the situation because he lacks the capacity for empathy. As I've repeatedly says about malignant narcissists, they can only mimic socially appropriate affect."See the video below: Trump immediately after his #COVID19 speech, when he didn't realize the cameras were still on"you have to see this for yourself.

www.rawstory.com

THE VIDEO: twitter.com

#145 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-12 06:51 AM | Reply

GAL

The taint is upon HIM ~ that's all he's concerned about.

His Ace-in-The-Hole (the economy) is now a liability instead of an asset.

All he can do now is stand there with his XXXX-L shorts wrapped around his ankles.

#146 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-12 06:52 AM | Reply

"Like a 5the grader reluctantly reading his report in front of the class."

Delivered with all the gusto of a wax museum likeness of himself

#147 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-12 07:09 AM | Reply

BILL

"Funny....when Obama reduced payroll taxes to stimulate the economy, it was a good thing.
When Trump does it, it's not a good thing."

I think you're missing a few important details.

They're not really lost. See if you can find them.

#148 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-12 07:23 AM | Reply

"The taint is upon HIM ~ that's all he's concerned about."

You're right. Everything is about branding with him. As long as he can come out claiming to look, he doesn't really care about anything--or anyone--else.

#149 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 07:31 AM | Reply

Kelly Magsamen @kellymagsamen

Things the President could have talked about:
1) DoD Building field hospitals
2) Surging health care capacity by calling up medical professionals from National Guard
3) Restoring full funding to CDC
4) Surging testing to states

Trump did none of this. NONE.

#150 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 07:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Governors dont have to wait.

Stupid arguments. Stop defending them.
They dont need the Fed to take action.

Trump, trump, trump.

Tell your governors to stop waiting.

Since when is Trump the one to listen to?

#151 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-03-12 07:41 AM | Reply

Cuomo declares state of emergency in New York as state coronavirus cases soar to 89
March 7, 2020

nypost.com

#152 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 08:07 AM | Reply

Governors dont have to wait.

Stupid arguments. Stop defending them.
They dont need the Fed to take action.

Trump, trump, trump.

Tell your governors to stop waiting.

Since when is Trump the one to listen to?
#151 | POSTED BY PETROUS AT 2020-03-12 07:41 AM | REPLY

Yeah, he's only the president. He's only the guy who sets the tone for the nation in a time of national crisis. He's only the chief executive over the CDC, who sets policy over all those things mentioned in Gal_Tuesday's post.

At least you're acknowledging the fact that we can't count on Trump to lead.

#153 | Posted by cbob at 2020-03-12 08:08 AM | Reply

19 states have declared states of emergency to fight coronavirus " here's what it means for them
www.businessinsider.com

DC mayor declares state of emergency as virus cases rise
www.stamfordadvocate.com

#154 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 08:10 AM | Reply

Protect yourself and your loved ones.

You have the most at stake in keeping yourself healthy and you have the most direct control over your own health.

The virus cannot be stopped, but it can be slowed down so that healthcare resources won't be overwhelmed.

#155 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-03-12 08:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#151 | POSTED BY PETROUS

TRump declaring a state of emergency opens up a lot of resources to states. Money for medical supplies, personnel, waivers, FEMA resources (thousands of trailers for quarantining serious ill patients when hospitals overflow), and so much more.

If Trump can't provide leadership, at least he can provide the full resources of the federal government to states during a national crisis like this.

Two weeks ago, TRump and Republicans were claiming this was a hoax and would go away quickly. It isn't and it wont.

Infectious disease experts say 30-70% of Americans will contract it. We're only at the beginning of this pandemic in the U.S.

With testing bumbled during a period of time when we could have gotten more of a handle on the extent of how many people are already infected, we've only tested as many people to date as South Korea does in half a day. We have no idea how many people are already infected.

It's as easy to catch as touching something someone who may not be symptomatic, but can spread it for two weeks before they are, and touching your face, which we all do without even thinking about it.

I saw an interview with a 30-ish guy from the UK. He was deathly ill for a month and could barely breathe. It will affect different people in varying levels of acuteness. Are you ready to see your loved ones suffer or die? I'm not.

#156 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-12 08:25 AM | Reply

"Column: Trump's payroll tax cut would destroy Social Security without helping workers"

www.latimes.com

It's a backdoor method of destroying SS which has been the goal of the Republicans since the programs inception.

#157 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-12 08:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Everyone at my house thought that Trump looked frightened during his speech last night. That's a talent of a sort, to be able to project fear through a TV.

Let me tell you what Donald Trump is worried about:

1) Getting the virus himself

2) Losing the next election

3) Having his criminal secrets revealed when he doesn't have the presidency to protect them.

Let me tell you what Trump is NOT worried about:

1) Any other citizen of the United States.

#158 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-12 08:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"he lacks the capacity for empathy. As I've repeatedly said about malignant narcissists, they can only mimic socially appropriate affect."

Well, that about sums up Trump AND his base.

#159 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-12 10:54 AM | Reply

"Column: Trump's payroll tax cut would destroy Social Security without helping workers"
www.latimes.com
It's a backdoor method of destroying SS which has been the goal of the Republicans since the programs inception.
#157 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-03-12 08:29 AM | REPLY

Danni, this deserves to be it's own thread!

#160 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 11:22 AM | Reply

DANNI

"Trump's payroll tax cut would destroy Social Security without helping workers"

I guess Congress would never consider paying back those interest-free long term loans they owe Social Security.

#161 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-12 12:10 PM | Reply

Danni,

"It's a backdoor method of destroying SS which has been the goal of the Republicans since the programs inception."

So when Obama did it, he was secretly working as a Republican shrill?

#162 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-03-12 12:14 PM | Reply

#162 - you're like a dog with a bone, doing everything you can to make that "meme" fit somewhere.

Funny....when Obama reduced payroll taxes to stimulate the economy, it was a good thing.
When Trump does it, it's not a good thing.
Odd how that works.
#64 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2020-03-11 10:19 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

So when Obama did it, he was secretly working as a Republican shrill?
#162 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2020-03-12 12:14 PM | FLAG:

#163 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-12 12:32 PM | Reply

Can you imagine an invasion in a State and the State gov't claiming they are waiting to hear from DC on what to do?

--------. The State governors have the authority to act.

#164 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-03-12 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The State governors have the authority to act.

#164 | Posted by Petrous

Yes, and when Washington governor Inslee did just that, Trump called him a 'snake' on national TV.

OCU

#165 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-03-12 12:45 PM | Reply

#163

He made a good point, Yav.

#166 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-12 12:46 PM | Reply

OCU, a smart snake cares for her eggs.

#167 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-03-12 01:04 PM | Reply

Trump's idea of a payroll tax cut would be nearly useless for the Americans who need the help the most

Trump has proposed a payroll-tax cut to shore up an economy that's being battered by the coronavirus on Wednesday evening.

The plan to put more money into workers' pockets looks good on paper, but a payroll tax cut would disproportionately benefit wealthier people and play out over a prolonged period of time.

"That's a bit of a drip and what we need right now is a big shot right away. Not a slow drip," top Obama economist Jason Furman told Business Insider.

"A one-year payroll tax cut of 2% of income would provide up to a $5,508 tax cut to a high-income couple, only $500 to a single parent getting by on $25,000 a year, and nothing for a worker placed on leave without pay," Furman wrote.

Trump's proposal, though, goes farther than the Obama payroll tax cut plan did in size and scope. And he says it amplifies its shortfalls.

"Making it bigger doesn't change any of those deficiencies, in fact it magnifies them because it just means that more money is being used ineffectively," Furman said. "If policymakers wanted to get $800 billion to households, roughly the cost of a payroll tax holiday, then the money would be better spent as a $2,500 check per person than a payroll tax holiday."


markets.businessinsider.com

#168 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 01:39 PM | Reply

"He made a good point, Yav."

Not really. See above article.

#169 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 01:39 PM | Reply

He made a good point, Yav.

The first point was ripped to shreds, Jeff, in this very thread.
The second point is him trying the same meme again.
The counter to that one was provided in a link in #157 by Danni.

#170 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-12 01:43 PM | Reply

And further by Gal's link and post!

#171 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-12 01:44 PM | Reply

#104

I've heard its like the MERS virus. MERS has no problems in 110 degrees.

www.nbcnews.com

#172 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-03-12 01:45 PM | Reply

American big business, that has been reaping record profits on workers backs, should be leading the charge. Republicans have bankrupted the government to fund share holders. Business needs to step up. They need to do what our government used to.

Apple, Google and Amazon should be funding testing and virus research. With great wealth comes great responsibility. They got the tax-cuts they wanted. Time to pay back.

#173 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-03-12 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Based on the estimates of expected infection the current projection is for about 4 million deaths in the U.S. (I calculated that number based on R0, projected infection rates, etc.) This is why social distancing and mitigation is critical.
From other sources: we're on track with Italy, but delayed a bit based on when our first infection occurred (compared to theirs). At this rate hospitals in the U.S. will be overwhelmed in about 9 days.
back to my editorial commenting: This is why that infection curve has to be flattened, and why restrictions need to be in place now.

#63 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2020-03-11 10:19 PM | REPLY

Yeesh, that's more than the population of at least five red states that I can name off the top of my head.

#174 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-03-12 04:02 PM | Reply

Coronavirus forecasts are grim: 'It's going to get worse'

Another forecast, developed by former CDC director Tom Frieden at the nonprofit organization Resolve to Save Lives, found that deaths in the United States could range widely, depending on what percentage of the population becomes infected and how lethal the disease proves to be. Frieden, who oversaw the U.S. response to the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic, the 2014 Ebola epidemic and the 2016 Zika epidemic, says that in a worst-case scenario, but one that is not implausible, half the U.S. population would become infected and more than 1 million people would die.

His team put together a simple table that looks at various scenarios using case fatality ratios ranging from .1, similar to seasonal flu, to .5, a moderately severe pandemic, and 1.0, a severe one. The infection rate ranged from 0.1percent of the population to 50 percent. That put the range of deaths at 327 (best case) to 1,635,000 (worst case). The deaths would not necessarily happen over a month or a year, but could occur over two or three years, he said.


www.washingtonpost.com

#175 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-12 04:13 PM | Reply

1,635,000 (worst case).

^
About 1.5 million people in USA rely on supplemental oxygen to sustain life.

If I were one of those people I would be very worried right now.

#176 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-12 04:20 PM | Reply

Gal,

"The plan to put more money into workers' pockets looks good on paper".

Yea...it sure will

My paycheck.

#177 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-03-12 04:21 PM | Reply

"The plan to put more money into workers' pockets looks good on paper".

Are you still getting payroll-taxed when you're sick at home or in a hospital?

#178 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-12 04:27 PM | Reply

#177 | Posted by BillJohnson

You are as dumb as a bag of friggin' hammers.

#179 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-03-12 04:34 PM | Reply

Who here relies on portable oxygen?
Gotta be a few.

#180 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-12 04:34 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

You'll be pleased to know in a few weeks if this trend continues a lot more people will be losing their paychecks than just the sick.

#181 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-03-12 04:35 PM | Reply

Why should I be pleased to know that, BillJohnson?

#182 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-12 04:37 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Then the sick who lost a few days pay will be the lucky ones because at least they'll have a job to go back to.

#183 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-03-12 04:38 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Don't you secretly harbor a death wish for the economy?

Come on..you can tell me.

I won't tell anyone.

#184 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-03-12 04:42 PM | Reply

"Don't you secretly harbor a death wish for the economy?"

I'm only opposed to the part of the economy made up of zero-sum-game non-productive phony Capitalist wealth redistributors, e.g. for-profit health insurance companies.

And simply killing it isn't a solution; it needs to be replaced with something that serves We The People. Because the system we have robs sick Peter to pay already rich Paul.

Of course, it's on the verge of killing itself, suffocating under the weight of its own revenue-generating events, or as non-Capitalists call them, sick people.

#185 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-12 05:19 PM | Reply

Can someone link me to a worthwhile post by ROC?

#76 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-03-11 10:27 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 4

Aww, I went out and got extra tubes for all five of you.

#186 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-12 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy,

The US's handling of this, especially the shortage of test kits, could significantly harm Trump's chances to be reelected.

But at least he'll be gone...right?

#187 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-03-12 05:32 PM | Reply

BillJohnson, we can hope!
But you better hope the cure isn't worse than the disease.

#188 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-12 05:35 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Do you want to see the "for profit" motive removed from healthcare altogether and become a service provided by the government instead?

#189 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-03-12 06:02 PM | Reply

"Do you want to see the "for profit" motive removed from healthcare altogether:

Allow me to clarify:
Health care is the act of providing care.
Health insurance is the financial instruments which makes health care a reality.

I want health insurance -- not health care, health insurance -- to be run with the goal of maximizing value for the patient.
Currently, health insurance maximizes value for Wall Street.

Aetna never cured anyone of anything.
Just like GEICO never prevented a single car crash.
Get it?

#190 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-12 07:42 PM | Reply

"Snoofy,
Don't you secretly harbor a death wish for the economy?"

Seems to me, it's pretty obvious that Trump and his Coronavirus deniers have killed the economy. Don't try to shift the blame now. When the B.S. they have preached, like mindless gnomes, for so long finally comes crashing down on their head they just pretend that it was those of us who told them it would are to blame. We didn't "wish" the economy to crash, no, your President did the things that we told you would eventually cause the economy to crash so now you pretend it's our fault for trying to tell you the truth.

#191 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-13 07:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Aww, I went out and got extra tubes for all five of you."

There was a time when that might have seemed like a clever joke on those who oppose Trump. Sorry a*****e, that day is over. Now, it just makes you look disconnected from reality. I'll be honest, I always believed you were a jerk but now I see I was slightly wrong. You are actually a crazy jerk. We are in a pandemic while you still think the politics from a month ago still work.
The country is shutting down while fools like you act as if nothing is happening. I do realize though, there are millions of people just like you who can't deal with the reality of today so they just pretend it isn't happening while the rest of us turn on our TVs and see it is happening right now whether you can deal with it or not.

#192 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-13 07:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There was a time when that might have seemed like a clever joke on those who oppose Trump.

Stow the Crazy Dummi, that post had nothing to do with Trump or COVID-19.

#193 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-13 01:23 PM | Reply

Snoofy,
Do you want to see the "for profit" motive removed from healthcare altogether and become a service provided by the government instead?

#189 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Probably would be pretty helpful about now.

People getting tested vs People avoiding testing because of the cost
Having enough tests because we aren't worried about profit vs not having enough tests because the White House refused foreign tests so private US health care companies can maximize tests profits by selling their own

Yeah, it's looking pretty good right now...

#194 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 02:11 PM | Reply

Here's the fun part to watch for:

The CDC is sending out thousands of tests, allegedly millions in the next month and a half, that can't be used.

The CDC isn't including the reagents for the test and testing centers are either out or nearly out. And they are having a hard time getting more.

So a huge chunk of the tests are utterly and completely useless.

Honestly could this administration screw this up any more than it already has?

#195 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 02:52 PM | Reply

The Cleveland Clinic has developed 8 hour test turn around, and is getting ready to deploy drive-thru testing.

Leave it to the CLE to once again save all of your sorry a$$es.

#196 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2020-03-13 02:58 PM | Reply

Cleveland. PFFFFT. Sure, you're women may be fatter than ours in Buffalo, but that doesn't make you guys better!

#197 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2020-03-13 03:07 PM | Reply

Damn it. Your.

#198 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2020-03-13 03:10 PM | Reply

"The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand. Or, so I have read...
Big bottom
Big bottom
Talk about mud flaps
My girl's got 'em."

- the Tap

#199 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2020-03-13 03:12 PM | Reply

Did the President of the United States just ------- say we don't want you to get tested unless you have symptoms?!

#200 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 03:38 PM | Reply

"Last Tuesday, our idiot president FINALLY realized we weren't getting enough tests so he ordered more."
-Dumb Lady trying valiantly to defend idiot Trump

#201 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 03:41 PM | Reply

For perspective:

China is testing 200,000 people per day
South Korea has drive up testing and is testing 15,000 people per day
The CDC is tested 7 people Wednesday

#202 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 03:43 PM | Reply

#200 Why would you want healthy people with no symptoms to be tested?

#203 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-03-13 03:46 PM | Reply

" Did the President of the United States just ------- say we don't want you to get tested unless you have symptoms?!"

Not watching but if we don't have enough tests to administer to everyone that walks into a hospital or doctors office we have to limit their use to people that are symptomatic or have had direct exposure to somebody who has been diagnosed as being infected.

#204 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-03-13 03:46 PM | Reply

#200 Why would you want healthy people with no symptoms to be tested?

#203 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Because having no symptoms doesn't mean you are healthy.

The virus is contagious before symptoms. If you've been exposed, especially if you live with or work in close proximity with someone who has tested positive, you should be tested.

The CDC has already discovered a large number of infected don't show symptoms for 7-14 days or don't show symptoms at all but can still spread the virus.

How do you not know this?

#205 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" Did the President of the United States just ------- say we don't want you to get tested unless you have symptoms?!"
Not watching but if we don't have enough tests to administer to everyone that walks into a hospital or doctors office we have to limit their use to people that are symptomatic or have had direct exposure to somebody who has been diagnosed as being infected.

#204 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

Yep.

But to that last part.

According to the President, if you've been exposed but have no symptoms, don't get tested.

#206 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 03:49 PM | Reply

I'm sure the ER's will still be flooded by people with no symptoms wanting to be tested.

#207 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2020-03-13 03:49 PM | Reply

I like how they are congratulating the President for screwing this up so badly.

We suspended travel which accomplished little.

We refused foreign tests and rolled out a few of our own which didn't even work.

We are 6 weeks behind the rest of the world in testing.

And they are claiming Trump is doing a great job.

#208 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Holy ----. They don't have a plan.

They are talking about setting up all these testing centers even though we don't have enough tests for the centers or reagents required by many of the tests.

It will take WEEKS if not MONTHS to get all these testing centers set up because of supply chain issues with the tests.

And there isn't a single mention of getting tests from abroad. It's all only American testing companies.

#209 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 04:02 PM | Reply

"No nation is more prepared or equipped"

As the Chinese and South Koreans test more people in a day than we have tested since the beginning...

#210 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not a single mention of how to do with the influx of those infected.

This will likely blow up the health care industry because we don't have the beds or equipment for treatment.

Not a single damn mention of what we are doing to prepare on that front.

#211 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 04:08 PM | Reply

Jesus.

Brazilian News and Fox News: Brazilian President tests positive for Coronavirus.

Brazilian President: Nope. I tested negative for the hoax virus!

Trump: Well we had dinner with him and he said he tested negative. So no worries!

#212 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 04:09 PM | Reply

Swine Flu

President Trump: They didn't do testing like this.

Fact: The Obama Administration tested 1 MILLION people for Swine Fly in the first month after the first diagnosed case in the US.

Lying Trash President. The CDC has tested only 2,000 people in 2 months since the first Coronavirus case in the US.

#213 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 04:13 PM | Reply

Swine Flu. Jesus Christ. Not Swine Fly

#214 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 04:13 PM | Reply

Well I'm done.

We are screwed. The administration still doesn't have a plan other than tax cuts, buying oil, and hoping the private health care industry can take care of this on their own.

#215 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-03-13 04:17 PM | Reply

#208 | Posted by Sycophant

If our president hadn't been hell bent - until just a few days ago - on denying the threat this posed and had initiated actions that needed to be taken then, we would have had these measures in place weeks ago.

On February 28, Trump said that coronavirus will "disappear" like a "miracle" while speaking at a press conference for his coronavirus task force. On Tuesday, he told reporters on Capitol Hill that coronavirus "will go away." In late February, he speculated that warm weather would kill the virus and stop its spread. None of these statements are backed by science or infectious disease experts within his own administration. (Though some diseases " like the seasonal flu " do diminish in warmer seasons, there is currently no evidence the novel coronavirus will behave this way.)
In this clip, Trump:
1. Denies WHO's coronavirus death rate based on "hunch"
2. Calls coronavirus "corona flu"
3. Suggests it's fine for people w/ Covid-19 to go to work
4. Compares coronavirus to "the regular flu," indicating he doesn't get the difference
pic.twitter.com/uC9c03zX31

Thank god for Dr. Anthony Fauci and others like him speaking the truth and working their asses off.

#216 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-13 04:21 PM | Reply

Regarding contagiousness and other coronaviruses, MERS, SARS, Influenza, and COVID-19, why is this getting all this attention? There's a characteristic R0 (R naught) which is the reproducibility factor of the virus. If it's

#217 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-13 04:29 PM | Reply

Since the Trump administration will not provide realistic projections of the potential deaths and hospitalizations which may occur as a result of the COVID19 pandemic, it has fallen to media outlets such as the New York Times to obtain and provide this information.

Officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and epidemic experts from universities around the world conferred last month about what might happen if the new coronavirus gained a foothold in the United States. How many people might die? How many would be infected and need hospitalization?

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.

And, the calculations based on the C.D.C.'s scenarios suggested, 2.4 million to 21 million people in the U.S. could require hospitalization, potentially crushing the nation's medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds. Fewer than a tenth of those are for people who are critically ill.


#218 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-13 04:29 PM | Reply

Today's address:

"(we) will turn a corner on this virus.
some of the doctors say it will
wash through
flow through
interesting terms.
very accurate i think you will find in a number of weeks.
very accurate." - Trump

(transcribed as quickly as I could)

#219 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-13 04:29 PM | Reply

#217 - luck all you are as my post got swallowed!

#220 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-13 04:30 PM | Reply

They should have stopped.
They're getting ripped apart by the honest and forthright questions the Press is asking.

#221 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-13 04:32 PM | Reply

"Why would you want healthy people with no symptoms to be tested?
POSTED BYSHEEPLESCHISM"

The five day incubation.

Why wouldn't you want healthy people with no symptoms to be tested, when it takes five days to become symptomatic?

What's the benefit for Mother Russia if Americans don't get tested, comrade?

#222 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-13 05:55 PM | Reply

Ok, the post that was swallowed that was addressing R0 - because of #222, I'm going to type it out again because it's useful:

"Why would you want healthy people with no symptoms to be tested?

Regarding contagiousness and other coronaviruses, MERS, SARS, Influenza, and COVID-19, why is this getting all this attention? There's a characteristic R0 (R naught) which is the reproducibility factor of the virus. If it's

#223 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-13 06:02 PM | Reply

The greater than or less than sign is your problem, Yav. RCade reads it as unallowed HTML and strips it out.

#224 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-13 06:07 PM | Reply

Clearly I'm not meant to post about R0 numbers for each disease and transmissibility...
If R0 is less than 1, it burns itself out. Greater it can spread.

MERS: Less than 1
Influenza: 1.3
COVID-19: 2.4-2.8
SARS: 3

So MERS isn't very transmissible, and it burns itself out, though it is deadly.
SARS is worse than COVID-19, but we don't see huge issues with it. Why?

It comes down to this: COVID-19 can be transmitted without symptoms, which means people have no idea they have it, interact vigorously with people, and it spreads. How is that different than SARS? SARS can only be transmitted when the patient is fully symptomatic. At that point most SARS patients are isolated, in ICU, or in quarantine.

I found all this quite interesting and thought it was worth trying to post it again. It's all on the CDC website, but you have to dig and go to different locations, and put things together.

#225 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-13 06:20 PM | Reply

^
This is why there's going to be, nice round number, a hundred million people infected in US.
Because you can get this disease, and spread it, for five days before you even know you have it.
Half the infected won't show any symptoms, or symptoms so mild they don't even think it's anything special.

Think of how many people you've been in contact with in the past 120 hours.
Now think of how many people they've been in contact with.
"And she told two friends, and she told two friends, and so on, and so on, and so on!"

#226 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-13 06:36 PM | Reply

It's so weird that all the people bashing Trump for not doing the right thing had no problem with letting undocumented sick people in the country a month ago. When Trump wanted to quarantine them to make sure they had no diseases these SJWs threw a collective hissy and called Trump a monster.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. It's a familiar and ongoing pattern. TDS strikes deep.

#227 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-13 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Swine Flu. Jesus Christ. Not Swine Fly

POSTED BY SYCOPHANT"

The swine flu fly flew.

#228 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-13 06:49 PM | Reply

"had no problem with letting undocumented sick people in the country a month ago."

Trump has no problem with letting undocumented sick people in the country that every day since Jan 20, 2017.

Trump hasn't built a wall every day since Jan 20, 2017.

Tomorrow isn't looking any better.

#229 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-13 07:25 PM | Reply

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