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Wednesday, March 18, 2020

Two reports have made their way into the public eye showing the real advice that national leaders in both the U.S. and U.K. are getting behind the scenes. And even for people who have seen stadiums idled, schools closed, and an unsettling unpredictability at the grocery store, what these reports have to say is worse than unsettling. These are definitely reports to be read while sitting down.

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The two reports, one from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), and the other from Imperial College London, were generated separately, but both of them reach similar conclusions: We've already waited too long to "flatten the curve" with the kind of actions that have been taken to date. Instead, this is going to be a long, hard fight, requiring some genuinely dire steps. And there may be no end to the threat until a vaccine is widely available"more than a year from now.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6819-covid-19-response-plan/d367f758bec47cad361f/optimized/full.pdf#page=1 https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

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Dire projections are terrifying, but we can still change them with our actions. It would help to have better leadership at the federal level.

#1 | Posted by rcade at 2020-03-18 09:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The HHS report makes some of the same assumptions about the extent and effects of the coronavirus itself:

- The fact that no one is immune makes it nearly impossible to prevent, or even slow, the spread of the disease.

- We still don't have enough information to accurately define the spread, or the severity of the overall epidemic in the U.S.

- State, local, and tribal authorities are going to need federal assistance and look to the federal government for consistent guidance.

- The epidemic in the United States will likely last 18 months, or longer, and could include multiple waves of illness.

4 out of 5 people are getting COVID-19 from someone who doesn't yet know they have it.

#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-18 10:00 PM | Reply

Dire projections are terrifying, but we can still change them with our actions. It would help to have better leadership at the federal level.

#1 | Posted by rcade

It's going to take government mandates with criminal penalties to get some people to take this seriously.

They finally closed down Lower Broadway here in Nashville on Sunday. It's a place where thousands of tourists and locals go to party and listen to music, bringing it here and taking it home.

One 20-ish woman pretty much summed up the attitude among people who think they're bulletproof or don't care:

"I want to party. It's a free country"

We're prepared and taking precautionary measures. Most aren't as far as I can see.

#3 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-18 10:03 PM | Reply

Maybe we can at least get out in front of this in terms of dealing with the death toll:

What color ribbon do I put up when my parents age 79 and 81 die from this?
Thanks!

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-18 10:05 PM | Reply

"Dire projections are terrifying, but we can still change them with our actions. It would help to have better leadership at the federal level.

#1 | POSTED BY RCADE "

Where is the Democrat controlled house proposing legislation to help this crisis? They make the laws, not the president.

It's been proven quite clearly that the left does not like executive orders. But now they want them? Then why don't they just acquiesce and say, "We never looked to you for guidance and solutions before, but now we are" rather than mealy-mouthingly say they aren't getting the support they want?

Seriously?

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-18 10:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Where is the Democrat controlled house proposing legislation to help this crisis?

You could only ask this question by being totally uninformed on the House. Read the links here dude.

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2020-03-18 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

End Of The Line

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#7 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-18 10:22 PM | Reply

Where is the Democrat controlled house proposing legislation to help this crisis? They make the laws, not the president.

You mean like the package passed by the house and now the senate for Trump's approval?

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-18 10:23 PM | Reply

"You could only ask this question by being totally uninformed on the House. Read the links here dude.

#6 | POSTED BY RCADE A"

I tried to read the headline link, but it is self-linking. It comes back to here.

What link am I supposed to read? There are none. Hence my being "totally uninformed".

BTW, I am aware of the House passing HR 6201. Is that what you are talking about -- even though there are no "links here" about it?

#9 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-18 10:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You mean like the package passed by the house and now the senate for Trump's approval?

#8 | POSTED BY JPW "

No, I don't mean that one. I am quite aware of it. In fact I mentioned when it passed the house that it was good both parties came together on it.

#10 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-18 10:30 PM | Reply

I tried to read the headline link, but it is self-linking. It comes back to here.

There are two links in the main body:
www.imperial.ac.uk

and

int.nyt.com

#11 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-18 10:34 PM | Reply

Thank you, Yav.

#12 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-18 10:39 PM | Reply

You're welcome, Goatman.

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-18 10:40 PM | Reply

From the first link: U . S. Government COVID - 19 Response Plan
1. Universal susceptibility and exposure will significantly degrade the timelines and
efficiency of response efforts.
2 . A pandemic will last 18 months or longer and could include multiple waves of illness.
3. The spread and severity of COVID -19 will be difficult to forecast and characterize.

From the second link: Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID19 mortality and healthcare demand
we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in GB and 2.2 million in the
US, not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on
mortality.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-18 10:43 PM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The good news in your case, Snoofy, is that your social distancing and self-isolation habits will hardly change at all.

You're already a pro.

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-03-18 11:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#15 - Apparently Snoofy owns your stupid ass.

#16 | Posted by YAV at 2020-03-18 11:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The good news in your case, Snoofy, is that your social distancing and self-isolation habits will hardly change at all."

Not far from the truth!
But in normal times, I walk a mile to the store every other day or so; farther if it's nice out.
Won't be doing that for at least another week; hopefully longer until my supplies run dry.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-18 11:27 PM | Reply

What link am I supposed to read?

GOATMAN

There is no article linked because there wasn't one that referred to both reports.

To read the reports, read at the two links in the "MORE" section. They're what this thread is based on.

As to the House bills, that info is all over the internet more than naked pics of a hot actress.

HINT: Read the summary and one paragraph "MORE" info before jumping in to comment.

#18 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-18 11:36 PM | Reply

"#18 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

As I stated, I am aware of HR 6201. And Yav pointed me to the two links.

"There is no article linked because there wasn't one that referred to both reports."

Linking to one of them would not have been a crime.

Thank you for our snarky 'hint'.

#19 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-18 11:43 PM | Reply

The numbers in #14 are with no mitigation strategy in place.
With optimal mitigation, which we may or may not be approaching, I can't really speak for anyone other than myself, but I'm sheltering in place as much as possible:

The numbers drop to 1.1-1.2 million deaths in the US, and the hospital bed capacity STILL gets overloaded by 8x.

The reason they talk about mitigation is there is no method of suppression for a novel virus with no vaccine. A vaccine is not expected to be available for some time (they use 18 months), and early vaccines are not expected to be particularly effective.

STAY HOME

Do it for Goatman, if for no other reason!

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-19 12:12 AM | Reply

Who knew that being a momma's basement cellar dweller would yield an evolutionary advantage!

#21 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-19 12:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The reason they talk about mitigation is there is no method of suppression for a novel virus with no vaccine. A vaccine is not expected to be available for some time (they use 18 months), and early vaccines are not expected to be particularly effective.

STAY HOME

SNOOFY

We're hunkered in too.

I'm hopeful the promising reports about Gilead Science's experimental drug 'remdesivir' leading to quick and miraculous recoveries from life threatening COVID-19 cases could lead to it becoming a standard treatment for seriously ill patients. This is just one of the accounts I've read, with similar results. Others I've read had seriously ill patients feeling profoundly better by the next day.

Here's one such example; a UC Davis' team's experience after gaining permission from both the CDC (to meet criteria for experimental use) and FDA (permission to use it):

Q: When did the patient start on remdesivir?

A: From diagnosis to therapy, about 36 hours, which is very short for emergency approval of an investigational drug.

Q: How sick was the patient?

A: We thought they were going to pass away

...

Q: Has the patient been discharged?

A: To protect privacy, let's just say they are doing well.

www.sciencemag.org

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-19 04:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No, I don't mean that one. I am quite aware of it. In fact I mentioned when it passed the house that it was good both parties came together on it.

#10 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Then what are you complaining about?

As for executive orders, who said Trump's actions have to be through EOs?

He's the head of the Executive, the branch that oversees all the alphabet soup agencies that are responding to this. If it's not his Trump's job to lead them then who's is it?

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-19 09:50 AM | Reply

#22 the drug remdesivir was mentioned by name during Trump's press conference right now, and might save his Presidency and my 401(K).

Also from the article:
Bring on the guinea pigs!

Q: Are you planning to test other experimental drugs for COVID-19?

A: We've already been contacted by a whole bunch of companies with different compounds. So, I think we'll be able to offer most anybody with confirmed COVID-19 some experimental protocol in a clinical trial. There's a lot of interest in chloroquine, and interferon with Kaletra.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-19 12:54 PM | Reply

Senate Republicans didn't allow Dems to help make their bill.

Their partisan attitudes have wasted days.

You can be sure that goatmen attacking Dems means the GOP is doing the exact thing he's slinging mud about.

#25 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-20 02:02 PM | Reply

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