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Sunday, March 22, 2020

President Donald Trump on Saturday suggested health care workers sanitize and reuse masks when treating coronavirus patients, rather than "throwing away" masks that are in short supply. "I have to tell you, the throwing away of the masks, being in private business, the throwing away of the mask right away, they're throwing it away," Trump said during Saturday's White House coronavirus briefing. ... Neither the FDA nor Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines suggest the possibility of sanitizing masks for safe reuse.

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Why not, I'm Incontinent Donnie refuses his diapers.

#1 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-03-22 12:53 PM | Reply

Haven't you figured it out yet?

Doctors are his betters. Donnie loves to see his betters on their knees begging.

He gets his kicks hurting people. That's how sick in the head he is.

So he's lying when he says face masks are "on the way". He lies just to keep people on their knees, begging.

I think Trump's gloves are off. We're seeing the real Trump now. Re-election is out the window. He's reached the "nothing to lose" stage.

#2 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-22 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What about the magical liquids? Can't we use those?

#3 | Posted by cbob at 2020-03-22 01:39 PM | Reply

Trump is totally out of his depth.My guess, he's wishing he was never elected. He can't handle the situation and I'm not sure Obama could either, but he would have hidden that better at least.
This ------ may well change our entire way of life before it's all done.
May as well do the green new deal now,the planes are already grounded. We could phase in more stuff to stop global warming under cover of the pandemic. Supply chains are going to shorten and more stuff will be made here. This might in some F**ked up way be a good thing in some ways.

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-22 01:53 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure getting an N95 wet destroys its ability to filter particulate.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-22 01:59 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2020-03-22 01:59 PM | FLAG: So what is your brilliant answer for the shortage of medical masks?

#6 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-03-22 02:06 PM | Reply

Let's start by not destroying them.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-22 02:08 PM | Reply

I think Trump's gloves are off. We're seeing the real Trump now. Re-election is out the window. He's reached the "nothing to lose" stage.

Don't count your chickens.

There's still a very delusional, dedicated portion of Americans who are still voting for him.

And they're the ones who control the EC.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-22 02:09 PM | Reply

So what is your brilliant answer for the shortage of medical masks?

#6 | POSTED BY MSGT

Are there no dumpsters? Trump hasn't tried that yet.

The answer is nationalize production. And get err done.

Stop blaming China. Stop whining. Stop lying. Stop being an A.S.S. And become an ASSET.

Get err done!

(Also maybe shut the hell up for a while).

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-22 02:18 PM | Reply

We could phase in more stuff to stop global warming under cover of the pandemic.

#4 | Posted by Effetepose

Perhaps someone needs to talk to the EPA about this:

EPA Proposes Broad Science Restrictions in Midst of Coronavirus Pandemic

At a time when seeking out and utilizing cutting-edge research is a life or death situation, the EPA is moving in the opposite direction.

www.commondreams.org

The Environmental Protection Agency Keeps Approving Dangerous Chemicals

The EPA is expected to sign off on four new chemicals in the PFAS family, even as concerns mount about their devastating health effects.

www.huffpost.com

OCU

#10 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-03-22 02:24 PM | Reply

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Stop blaming China. Stop whining. Stop lying. Stop being an A.S.S. And become an ASSET.

But, blaming China is easier that expecting President Fat Sack of Shht to do something.

It's why Jeff is on an aggressive, 24/7 deflection cycle.

Americans may die. But. That's just something the Jeffs of America are okay with.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-22 02:26 PM | Reply

Anyone one listening to the Liar In Chief only has themselves to blame. Guy is as phony as a degree from Trump University.

#12 | Posted by BingyBunny at 2020-03-22 03:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump should reuse his dirty adult diapers then.

#13 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-03-22 03:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This whole vital medical equipment shortage thing is Trump's golden opportunity.

He hasn't had anybody to torture since that immigration fiasco on the Mexican border.

Whoop-te-do, a whole new batch of victims . . . and he doesn't even have to share them with ICE.

Trump must be bubbling over with anticipation.

#14 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-22 03:38 PM | Reply

Trump should reuse his dirty adult diapers then.

#13 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

I think he already turns his boxers inside out.

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-22 03:41 PM | Reply

#9 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2020-03-22 02:18 PM | FLAG: Just what would nationalizing production accomplish if the production lines are already working around the clock. So you think putting a govt supervisor, who of course has no manufacturing background [remember that the ONLY thing the govt actually produces is paper&coin money and stamps] is going to somehow magically lead to greater numbers of product. Good luck with that.

#16 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-03-22 04:24 PM | Reply

#16 Turmp is the one nationalizing. Now go ahead and start defending that.

#17 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-22 04:47 PM | Reply

#17 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-03-22 04:47 PM | FLAG: What has he nationalized?

Nationalization, or nationalisation, is the process of transforming private assets into public assets by bringing them under the public ownership of a national government or state. ... Nationalization may occur with or without compensation to the former owners.

Nationalization - Wikipedia

#18 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-03-22 05:11 PM | Reply

Playing the blame game is not helpful now; it only plays into conspiracy theories about how this was intentional. There's plenty of time to sort things out after the emergency part is past.

#45 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-03-22 05:08 PM

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-22 06:21 PM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY MSGT

I don't think anyone actually wants to "nationalize" production at this point. Though, if you want, you can trace confusion for that term to Trump who said we SHOULDN'T "nationalize" in response to people suggesting he use the Defense Production Act to ensure increased supply of vital medical supplies (even though the DPA does not actually "nationalize" production).

thehill.com

So, while you are correct that Bruce is probably using the word incorrectly, you should probably tell the idiot president, that idiot conservatives elected to lead and represent them, to stop using the term incorrectly first.

Or you could just be a pedant and a Trump sycophant. That is actually more what is expected of you.

#20 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-22 11:26 PM | Reply

#19 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Why do people apologize (or demand an apology)? To make themselves feel better? Well, maybe some people. But for a person that is not an emotional snowflake, it is to provide some assurance that the person giving the apology does not make the same mistake in the future.

The same goes for assigning blame. I am guessing that you quoted from a thread about China. How does "assigning blame" to China help us right now? We are in a crisis. Please explain how you think assigning blame to China will help us have a better outcome in this current crisis (COVID-19). Or is it just emotional snowflakes trying to make themselves feel better (looking at you Jeff).

Because conservatives, through the person that they chose to represent their party and ideology as President, are CONTINUING to screw up. Every day they screw up more and more. So, by assigning blame to conservatives and Trump we hope to either change their behavior (though at this point it is unlikely that either Trump or his sycophants will change) or marginalize them so actual intelligent people will be given the opportunity to make decisions, and thereby increase the odds of having a better outcome of this crisis by having MORE competent leadership and LESS screw-ups.

#21 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-22 11:33 PM | Reply

I'd rather have a used mask than no mask.

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-22 11:38 PM | Reply

I'd rather have a used mask than no mask.
#22 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Seriously?
That's like saying you'd rather have a used condom than no condom.
Maybe it's a Navy thing and that's why I just don't get it.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-22 11:40 PM | Reply

Good God that's stupid. Passing one person's germs onto another. Dumbass.

#24 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-22 11:45 PM | Reply

"That's like saying you'd rather have a used condom than no condom.
Maybe it's a Navy thing and that's why I just don't get it.

#23 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Perhaps to you it's the same. To me, it's not.

Navy thing: we got all the free condoms we wanted.

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-22 11:54 PM | Reply

"Navy thing: we got all the free condoms we wanted."

Health care thing: They don't get all the free masks they wanted.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 12:03 AM | Reply

"Health care thing: They don't get all the free masks they wanted.

#26 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

If I can get them through the VA, I'm pretty sure active duty personnel can. Actually, that's "need", not "want", but you get the drift.

If have proof otherwise to your claim, please present it.

#27 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-23 12:31 AM | Reply

If have proof otherwise to your claim, please present it.
#27 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

I'd rather have a used mask than no mask.
#22 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 12:43 AM | Reply

#28 -- "druthers" are by definition different from reality.

Try again, troll.

#29 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-23 12:48 AM | Reply

#28 -- "druthers" are by definition different from reality.
#29 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Indeed.
The reality being no mask.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 12:58 AM | Reply

"The reality being no mask.

#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Actually, the reality is that I do have masks. You are wrong. Again.

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-23 01:01 AM | Reply

"the reality is that I do have masks."

You're not a health care worker.

Health care workers wouldn't be being asked to reuse masks if they had enough masks.

www.usatoday.com
Perhaps no issue is more pressing for health care workers across the United States as they battle the novel coronavirus than the shortage of personal protective equipment (PPE) to avoid contamination.
...
As medical care workers continue to face exposure and possible contamination, each employee of NewYork-Presbyterian, the Columbia University Irving Medical Center and Weill Cornell Hospital will receive one non-N95 mask "to be used only if the person becomes symptomatic." Smith also noted in the memo that "employees will be responsible for keeping their one mask clean and available."

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 01:12 AM | Reply

50,000 N95 masks delivered to UW researcher's home thanks to Elon Musk, Tesla www.seattletimes.com

Now why would Elon Musk go and do a thing like that?

www.seattletimes.com
"First they were told, "Wear N95 masks. Don't reuse them." Then, "No, go ahead and use less protective surgical masks. And if you have an N95, store them in plastic bags for reuse." Finally: "Oh, what the heck: Use bandannas!"
In other words, CDC guidelines were being changed based on PPE availability, not safety."

^
That's why.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 01:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe next Goatman would like to tell us that hospitals have all the coronavirus test kits they want too!

This crisis presents a rich vein of ignorance that Goatman seems keen to harvest.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 01:24 AM | Reply

"Maybe next Goatman would like to tell us that hospitals have all the coronavirus test kits they want too!
This crisis presents a rich vein of ignorance that Goatman seems keen to harvest.

#34 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

And maybe next goatman will go take a dump. Or maybe next goatman will fold his laundry. Or maybe next goatman will have a slice of pizza.

You obsess too much over goatman, snoofy.

#35 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-23 01:28 AM | Reply

No, I really don't do that at all.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 01:29 AM | Reply

"No, I really don't do that at all.

#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

Your posts on this thread alone belie that sentiment.

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-23 01:31 AM | Reply

No, my posts on this thread are simply to set the record straight.

Trump, and Goatskin, are wrong. Masks should not be re-used.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 01:37 AM | Reply

Strange how this autocorrect wouldn't know the word Goatman by now!

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 01:38 AM | Reply

"Trump, and Goatskin, are wrong. Masks should not be re-used.

#38 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

I never said they should be.

Not playing your game, snoofy.

Don't you tire of these games, snoofy?

#40 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-23 01:42 AM | Reply

I never said they should be.
#40 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

I'd rather have a used mask than no mask.
#22 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 01:45 AM | Reply

#41 What is your point?

It's true that I never said masks should not be reused.

It's also true that I'd rather have a used one than none at all.

Do you have a point, snoofygames?

#42 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-23 02:03 AM | Reply

I do. It's been made several times over now.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 02:07 AM | Reply

"I do. It's been made several times over now.

#43 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Good

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-23 02:10 AM | Reply

I see a strong UV light is being advertised to decontaminate medical equipment. If it works you'd think a hospital would know that.

#45 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-23 05:33 AM | Reply

Daniel Goldman @danielsgoldman

I spoke earlier today with the Dir of Emergency Medicine at the largest hospital in Westchester, who told me that the hospital's supply of PPE was so dire this week that he drove to Brooklyn and bought 1,000 masks at $6.50/mask with his own money. Where is the federal government?
4:40 PM Mar 22, 2020

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-23 09:04 AM | Reply

Just what would nationalizing production accomplish if the production lines are already working around the clock.
#16 | Posted by MSgt

What it would do is get more factories, say the ones making coffee filters, to switch to making masks so more masks are getting produced.
Like in WWII how the auto makers started producing tanks.

#47 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-03-23 09:24 AM | Reply

Trump could immediately lift his tariffs on all medical supplies which would cut the cost on some supplies by as much as 25% and would allow US healthcare providers to bid on resources on a level playing field with other nations.

Trump has said his tariffs are supposed to result in bringing manufacturing of goods back to the US. It has failed to do so as of yet and is now contributing to a worsening national health and security crisis. Lift the tariffs now!

www.change.org

#48 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-03-23 10:04 AM | Reply

Now why would Elon Musk go and do a thing like that?

#33 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-03-23 01:22 AM | FLAG:

Because he's a Capitalist. 3M is a Tesla supplier. Tesla Fremont has been ordered to shutdown. If Fremont shuts down, it can't feed Shanghai with knock down kits. No Teslas get built, stock is way down, and the Sheriff told them they are absolutely not a critical business and must shut down.

How do you make Fremont critical? Start supplying medical gear on the side.

Now get your ass back on the assembly line.

#49 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-23 12:02 PM | Reply

You are very unlikely to die. No elderly smokers building Model 3s.

#50 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-23 12:02 PM | Reply

What it would do is get more factories, say the ones making coffee filters, to switch to making masks so more masks are getting produced.
Like in WWII how the auto makers started producing tanks.

#47 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST
That's already starting to happen.
A furniture maker in my local area is going to stop producing furniture for awhile and start making masks. It a pretty cool story. They decided to help their local community.

#51 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-03-23 12:30 PM | Reply

Very interesting.....

The national shortage of N95 respirator masks can be traced back to 2009 after the H1N1 swine flu pandemic, when the Obama administration was advised to replenish a national stockpile but did not, according to reports from Bloomberg News and the Los Angeles Times.

...

A federally backed task force and a safety equipment organization both recommended to the Obama administration that the stockpile be replenished of the 100 million masks used after the H1N1 outbreak, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Charles Johnson, president of the International Safety Equipment Association, said that advice was never heeded.

...

Bloomberg News reported similar findings last week, noting, "after the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn't build back the supply."

#52 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-03-23 01:52 PM | Reply

More of Trump's "natural ability" to endanger health workers and their patients.

#53 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-03-23 01:52 PM | Reply

"when the Obama administration was advised to replenish a national stockpile but did not,"

How long has Trump had to undo that failed Democrat policy?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 01:55 PM | Reply

How long has Trump had to undo that failed Democrat policy?

#54 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-03-23 01:55 PM | FLAG: Many facets of govt - are you sure he was ever apprised of the situation?

#55 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-03-23 02:39 PM | Reply

"Many facets of govt - are you sure he was ever apprised of the situation?"

How long has Donald Trump had to hire competent staff?

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-23 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How long has Trump had to undo that failed Democrat policy?

How would he have known? They disbanded the task force that was in charge of replenishing medical supplies in 2015.

#57 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 11:33 AM | Reply

How long has Donald Trump had to hire competent staff?
#56 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

So Obama didn't have competent staff? Never heard that one before.

#58 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 11:35 AM | Reply

"after the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn't build back the supply."

#52 | POSTED BY MSGT

I call BS.

Before the "Chinese virus hoax" I was able to order N95 masks for my workers and myself. I have box of N95 masks still sitting here on my desk from my last order.

There was no shortage in the system. No backlog that I was aware of. I ordered a box of N95 and they showed up 3 days later.

And as for the "strategic stockpile" Trumpy should have inventoried his resources. Did Obama set Trumpy up? too bad Obama set Trumpy up! Trumpy is a stable genius and should have noticed. Maybe Trumpy shouldn't have took the job that he was unqualified for after insulting and demeaning everyone on the way to the top. Maybe someone would have warned him. Oh yeah. He fired the pandemic guy. He was not a party loyalist.

Karma is a beech bro.

#59 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-24 11:36 AM | Reply

What is the lifespan of masks?

I went to the HEB yesterday and put on a mask. I was back out in 20 minutes. Should I throw the mask away or reuse it? It seems a waste to throw it away and add to the shortage problem. It's not like I got this gunky layer of viruses on the mask like one that has been used when I cut the grass.

But I guess shortages is the price we have to pay if you want to bash Trump over something like this.

Guess what? I'm going to reuse my mask. I see no need to contribute to the shortage problem by throwing away a mask that can be reused. But then, I'm not afflicted with OCTD like so many here.

And on that note, I'm going to don it for the third time and go to the liquor store to get a bottle of wine to go with the lasagna I am making tonight.

#60 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-24 01:38 PM | Reply

- What is the lifespan of masks?

Until they fall apart? My wife made a weak bleach solution with water and essential oils and put it in an empty spray bottle.

I just spray my mask inside and out and hang it to dry. It probably isn't foolproof, but better than nothing.

I only have four N95 masks, but we have a box of gloves. ..those I just throw away when exiting the grocery store.

#61 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-03-24 01:44 PM | Reply

"I just spray my mask inside and out and hang it to dry. It probably isn't foolproof, but better than nothing.
I only have four N95 masks, but we have a box of gloves. ..those I just throw away when exiting the grocery store.

#61 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM "

I spray mine with Lysol on whose label boasts, "Kills 99.99% of viruses and bacteria." It's that 0.01 that gets you though. LOL The devil is in the details.

At the beginning of this crisis I tried to buy alcohol (not ethanol. That luckily is still easy to get) but the supermarkets and dept stores were out. But Home Depot had metal cans of denatured alcohol in the paint dept. So I bought a can of that and put it in a spray bottle I carry with me for shopping carts, gas pump handles, and such.

I have a -------- of gloves. I know only where one box of them came from. I bought them when I was painting a couple of years ago. The other two boxes, I haven't a clue. It's doubtful I'll run out of them.

I have 10 more masks, so if I use them for every trip to the store and at the rate I go to the store, they won't last two months if I throw them away each time. I think I'll reuse mine until it falls apart as you say, sheep. THen I'll get a new one out of the box.

On a better note, I just filled up my 24 gallon gas tank in my truck for $31. I can't remember last time I did that. I've had the truck for 19 years so I probably did at one point. I just can't remember when.

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-24 02:59 PM | Reply

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