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Monday, March 23, 2020

An Arizona man is dead and his wife is hospitalized after they poisoned themselves by ingesting chloroquine phosphate. This comes after Trump touted chloroquine several times this past week including calling it a game changer on the fight against Covid-19 despite and claimed the US government has already ordered millions of units to treat the disease. Trump made these claims despite Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, stating the drug has not been tested in any clinical trials in regards to treating Covid and said any evidence of benefits is strictly antecdotal.

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#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-03-23 11:09 PM | Reply

Trump did not pull the hopeful drug therapy from thin air, the news came out of Germany and Italy. As far as clinical trials, we do not have time. It takes months we do not have. Chloroquine is not without risk. It is a strong antiviral and side effects are common. Weighing that risk against the potential effects of an infection should be a no brainer. What we have here is the unqualified using drugs they had no ideal how to or how much to take. Choroquine is toxic, dosage is the difference between therapeutic and fatal.

#2 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-23 11:58 PM | Reply

"Trump did not pull the hopeful drug therapy from thin air, the news came out of Germany and Italy."

But the news did not come from Angela Terkel and whoever the hell runs Italy these days.

I suppose it's no surprise the same people who deny Russian propaganda on Facebook could influence anyone will also deny The President of The United States of America could influence anyone.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:05 AM | Reply

Trump did not pull the hopeful drug therapy from thin air

Nobody said he did moron. The point is that he shouldn't be encouraging his dimwitted supporters to take the drug or touting its effectiveness when he is not a doctor and there have been no clinical trials showing the drug's effectiveness.

He wants to make it sound like things are under control and there is promise ahead. But he crosses the line when he promotes chemicals by name as being effective, and this article proves it.

Now STFU.

#4 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-24 09:54 AM | Reply

"Trump did not pull the hopeful drug therapy from thin air"
Did someone claim he did? But what he did pull out of the air is that the FDA has already approved the drugs use as a treatment for Covid-19.
"The FDA has been so great. They " they've gone through the approval process; it's been approved. And they did it, they took it down from many, many months to immediate. So we're going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states."

"the news came out of Germany and Italy."
We know. We heard Dr. Fauci too and we also heard him downplay the significance of the reports because it's a very small sample size and has not been done conducted as part of controlled studies. You know, science.

"As far as clinical trials, we do not have time. It takes months we do not have."
This is a lie. Controlled trials are already underway and the FDA has processes to fast track approvals as well as expanded access/compassionate use exceptions.

"Chloroquine is not without risk...Choroquine is toxic, dosage is the difference between therapeutic and fatal."

Then why did the President not say that? Can you list a single positive result that was likely to come about from him mentioning it at this time? What was his statement ever going to achieve other than creating false hope, hoarding/price gouging and risky use by unqualified people like the man and wife in this story? Why did he specifically mention this drug out of the dozens of compounds that are currently being evaluated as possible treatments. Sure would be interesting to see his financial statements to find out if he has any investments in companies that could benefit from this sudden surge in demand/price.

Someone please explain to me how Trump's statements about Choroquine are in any way at all a responsible statement for a US President to be making.

#5 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-03-24 11:16 AM | Reply

Here is the unpleasant truth, government can not control everything, especially the spread of a virus. Even if every individual in the country was on lock down. This disease is persistent, and most who are infected are asymptomatic. Here is what is at stake, the economy. Poverty can be deadly too. If Choroquine and Z-pack are an effective prophylactic for the vulnerable, let's get the country cranked up as soon as we can import and distribute the drugs. Better yet make our own.

#6 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 11:41 AM | Reply

Here is the unpleasant truth, government can not control everything,
#6 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Yeah, everyone knows that. But Government officials can control what they say and do and the public should be expected to hold them responsible for their words/actions when they are not in the public interest.

So I say again,considering that we have no idea if Choroquine is "an effective prophylactic for the vulnerable", someone please explain to me how Trump's statements about Choroquine are in any way at all a responsible statement for a US President to be making.

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-03-24 11:55 AM | Reply

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce And what would you do? It's easy to be an arm chair quarter back.

#8 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 01:29 PM | Reply

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce And what would you do? It's easy to be an arm chair quarter back.

So I say again,considering that we have no idea if Choroquine is "an effective prophylactic for the vulnerable", someone please explain to me how Trump's statements about Choroquine are in any way at all a responsible statement for a US President to be making.

#9 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-03-24 01:33 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce If he is correct, he is a savior, if this isn't a solution he is an idiot. I doubt you could make a decision.

#10 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 01:57 PM | Reply

My decision would be to not put out false information about things do not yet have any verifiable data on. My decision be to not tell lies about how the FDA already approved the drug for use for treatment of Covid-19. My decision would be to let the researchers do their jobs and not spread dangerous misinformation that could lead to hoard, price gouging and death by people who hear my misinformation. Would that not be the responsible action?

#11 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-03-24 02:03 PM | Reply

We do not have time, this is an epidemic. Any delay is costing lives.

#12 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 02:08 PM | Reply

We do not have time, this is an epidemic. Any delay is costing lives.
#12 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

There are plenty of wild guesses we could take that might save lives. How about we start executing anyone who tests positive and burn their bodies. That could save the lives of others. Should the President suggest we do so?

#13 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-03-24 02:15 PM | Reply

#13 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce At an one percent or less fatality rate, I am sure that you would pull the trigger.

#14 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 02:34 PM | Reply

Well what's a few thousand now compared to millions that less than 1% would still result in. Any delay is costing us lives. That's the justification you gave for Trump's misinformation, right? We must start executing the sick, right? We can even run an uncontrolled study on like 40 or so people to see if it works. That seems to be enough to provide sufficient evidence for the President to make a call on.

#15 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-03-24 02:59 PM | Reply

#15 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce, prove that Choroquine and z-pac are not effective. Until then, sit and wait. Your greatest fear is that this will work and Trump sails into his second term.

#16 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 03:09 PM | Reply

"Your greatest fear is that this will work and Trump sails into his second term."

Anyone thinking like that is just not thinking at all. The time for that kind of partisan nonsense is long since over.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-24 03:16 PM | Reply

So that's what you've got. You think my greatest fear is Trump gets re-elected? My greatest fear is that more of my coworkers get infected and die like the nurse we lost to it this past week.

My greatest hope is that an treatment, whether it be chloroquine or otherwise, quickly passes trials and we are soon able to provide a safe and effective treatment to our patients. A President spreading misinformation doesn't achieve that because he hopes it might work doesn't achieve that goal. Ultimately maybe Trump's guess proves to be correct but that doesn't suddenly mean his recent statements are either accurate or responsible.

So again I ask, someone please explain to me how Trump's statements about Choroquine are in any way at all a responsible statement for a US President to be making.

#18 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-03-24 03:26 PM | Reply

#18 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce Test? Why not the infected as a sample pool. We do not have 90 days to run a test. Besides do you want to be in the control group if you were infected?

#19 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 03:31 PM | Reply

prove that Choroquine and z-pac are not effective. Until then, sit and wait.

Prove that taking an axe blow to your forehead is not effective.

Come on.

Prove it.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-24 03:31 PM | Reply

#20 | Posted by JOE, Prove that a 38 through your temples is not effective,

Come on

Prove it.

#21 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 03:43 PM | Reply

I'm not the one who started telling people to prove that some unproven thing doesn't work, as a basis for an argument that people should do that thing.

That person is you.

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-24 03:52 PM | Reply

"prove that Choroquine and z-pac are not effective. Until then, sit and wait."

Prove that parachutes are effective.
Until you have a placebo group that doesn't get parachutes, how can you even begin to make the claim that parachutes are effective?
Morons!

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 03:54 PM | Reply

#23 | Posted by snoofy You first.

#24 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 04:01 PM | Reply

I just can't buh-lieve anyone thinks that the President of these here New-nighted States would ever be dumb and or uncaring and or ignorant enough to ever say this kind of thing.... knowing that there will at least one idiot out there who thinks he's none of those things.

I mean, what do you think this is, a bananas republic-an country?

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-24 04:07 PM | Reply

"#23 | Posted by snoofy You first."

I'll wait till I'm on my Coronavirus deathbed, but at that point, I'll certainly try it.
You?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 04:19 PM | Reply

#18 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce Test? Why not the infected as a sample pool. We do not have 90 days to run a test. Besides do you want to be in the control group if you were infected?

So let's assume we go that route and we run a test on 1000 infected patients, no control group. We are just going to compare our results to the overall results seen in the region in which we are running the test.
Of those 1000, 700 of them are instructed to self-quarantine at home and 300 are hospitalized. 200 are on heart medication, 100 on antidepressants, 75 take insulin, 50 are medical marijuana users, and another 100 take some other prescription. 50 of them have drug convictions within the past decade. 80 are severely obese, 600 are men, 400 are women, 600 are white, 200 are black, 200 are hispanic and another 100 are of various other or mixed raced. The test finds the condition cleared up on 150 patients much faster than average, 400 somewhat faster, 200 average, 150 slower than average, 50 much slower than average and 50 died which is 5X more than anticipated.

What findings can we draw from this result?

#27 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-03-24 04:46 PM | Reply

"What findings can we draw from this result?"

After carefully analyzing the data, I have come to the following conclusion:
Republicans can't do math.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 04:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

At this moment thousands of infected individuals are being treated with Choroquine and Z-pac in several countries. It seems to be effective. You who doubt can continue to eat Tide pods.

#29 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 08:56 PM | Reply

#29 New York is giving it a shot:

New York moved to begin trials Tuesday, procuring 70,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine and 750,000 doses of chloroquine, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said. In addition Bayer, the drug maker, has donated 3 million doses of Resochin, its brand name for chloroquine, to the federal government.

www.cnn.com

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 09:02 PM | Reply

"At this moment thousands of infected individuals are being treated with Choroquine and Z-pac in several countries. It seems to be effective. You who doubt can continue to eat Tide pods."

There is this caution (from above linked article):

Regarding the combination of hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin -- which Trump tweeted could be "one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine" -- a single "small study" shows the combination helped against the SARS strain that causes Covid-19, the CDC said, but "did not assess clinical benefits."

The CDC said the combination can disrupt the heart's electrical activity and warns against prescribing the paired drugs to anyone with chronic medical conditions, such as renal failure or hepatic disease.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gal_Tuesday, I know someone that has contracted this virus, she was dangerously ill for four days. Two days after being treated with Choroquine and Z-pac, she was released from the hospital, off the ventilator, fever broke, and sent home. She is in quarantine for another 10 days.

#32 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 09:12 PM | Reply

#32 That's good news--for her and potentially for many others.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 09:18 PM | Reply

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday Hell's bells chick, a serious case of pneumonia will kill as quickly as a chronic condition. That is what generally kills those with the flu.

#34 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-03-24 09:20 PM | Reply

#34 Sure, I think the point being made in the article is that the drug combo that saved your friend won't save people with certain chronic conditions. Hell's bells fella, yourself.

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 09:31 PM | Reply

#35 Or, like, whatever, man. lol

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 09:33 PM | Reply

#32 That's great news. I hope we're approaching something like a cure... and fast. Nothing would make he happier than being wrong about how bad this is.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 10:12 PM | Reply

#37 Yes.

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-25 06:40 AM | Reply

Duplicate thread

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-25 04:04 PM | Reply

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