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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, March 23, 2020

You never let a serious crisis go to waste, as Rahm's Rule says. Never was there a more concise summary of both the promise and dysfunction of American politics. Every time the country faces a crisis, real or perceived, there is a rush in Congress to pass massive bills that go far beyond responding to the matter at hand.

The latest example is the newly-introduced House version of the "Take Responsibility for Workers and Families Act," intended to afford stimulus and stability in the face of the economic crisis fomented by COVID-19. The bill my provide some form of succor to the economy, but in the words of Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC), the crisis is also "a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision."

Unfortunately, much of the bill has nothing to do with COVID-19.

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The 1119-page bill is Christmas in March for liberal special interests. It imposes racial and gender pay equity provisions, diversity on corporate boards, increased use of minority-owned banks by federal offices, and a grab-bag of other diversity-themed requirements. It increases the collective bargaining power for unions and cancels all the debt owed by the U.S. Postal Service to the U.S. Treasury. For the global warming crowd there are increased fuel emission standards and required carbon offsets for airlines, plus tax credits for alternative energy programs. For the kids there is a provision for student loan payment deferment, and for the education bureaucrats who overcharge them a $9.5 billion giveaway to colleges and universities. It gives $100 million to juvenile justice programs, and suspends various aspects of enforcement of immigration laws.

Perhaps the most troubling sections of the bill are under the rubric American Coronavirus/COVID"19 Election Safety and Security" or ACCESS" Act. This section would impose requirements on states for early voting, voting by mail, required mailing of absentee ballots to everyone, ballot harvesting (i.e., having third parties deliver absentee ballots), online voter registration, same-day registration and other practices which undermine confidence in the integrity of the ballot.

It is hard quickly to root out whatever other aspects of this bill bear no relationship to COVID-19, but to its backers that is the point. We can't really know what's in it until they pass it, to paraphrase Speaker Pelosi on another such memorable occasion.

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#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-23 11:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Unfortunately, much of the bill has nothing to do with COVID-19."

I see we're drawing a meaningless distinction between the disease itself, and the economic upheaval the disease is already leaving in its wake.

While ignoring the fact that a stimulus package is not intended to address the disease itself, but rather the economic upheaval the disease is already leaving in its wake.

In other words, it's "Business As Usual" for the Deplorables.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:00 AM | Reply

LOL

Come on JeffJ start defending this .... you wanted it, now defend!

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:01 AM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-03-24 12:00 AM | FLAG: I GOT NOTHING

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

While ignoring the fact that a stimulus package is not intended to address the disease itself, but rather the economic upheaval the disease is already leaving in its wake.

You mean this "upheaval" do you even read?

increased fuel emission standards and required carbon offsets for airlines,

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"increased fuel emission standards and required carbon offsets for airlines"

I suppose the concept of a bailout coming with strings attached is one you hadn't thought of until 9:06PM PDT, March 23, 2020.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:06 AM | Reply

I see we're drawing a meaningless distinction between the disease itself, and the economic upheaval the disease is already leaving in its wake.

LOL, that "meaningless distinction" means that we should enact the following as part of providing relief to Americans during the pandemic?:

Eliminate debt held by the U.S. Postal Service;

Require same-day voter registration nationwide;

Pay off $10,000 in student debt per person;

Mandate that airlines reduce their overall carbon emissions by 50 percent by 2050;

Force federal agencies to increase their usage of "minority banks";

Automatically extend non-immigrant visas;

Restrict colleges from providing information about citizenship status; and

Allocate $35 million to the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.

SMFH

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-24 12:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is NOT the time to try to insert a political wishlist into emergency legislation.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-24 12:09 AM | Reply

I understand that if you "don't ask, you don't get", but this kind of overreach will get your arms cut off.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-24 12:10 AM | Reply

Pelosi's save America bill sounds great, lots of benefits to Americans.

As long as the half Trillion Trump slush fund for his corrupt cronies is removed, I will be happy. That was enough to make Nazi's blush.

#10 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 12:10 AM | Reply

This little gem is in there as well:

The bill also includes $1 billion "to build on program expanded by President Obama that provides discounted phone service for low-income consumers."

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-24 12:12 AM | Reply

"I understand that if you "don't ask, you don't get", but this kind of overreach will get your arms cut off."

Mmmm, that's some tasty bait!
What actually seems unreasonable in this bill, RightOCetner, in light of the fact that the Fed has already printed $5,000 per American for Wall Street?
You really don't think the American people need at least the same amount of help?
???

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:13 AM | Reply

GOP members of both chambers have been slamming this on Twitter without a whole lot of pushback from Democrats.

This is purely shameless by Democrats. Don't like the Senate bill as it's currently written - fine. Vote for cloture and allow up to 30 more hours to negotiate and craft a more responsible and palatable bill. After the additional deliberation if it's still not acceptable, then use the filibuster. But for Pete's sake don't insert a bunch of unrelated nonsense. We are on the verge of something not seen globally in 100 years. Now is NOT the time for this crap.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-24 12:13 AM | Reply

"$1 billion"

$3 per American.
That sends a tingle up your leg, huh?
I kinda thought you weren't math illiterate.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:14 AM | Reply

$35Million for the JFK Center ... WTF ..
twitter.com

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I kinda thought you weren't math illiterate.
#14 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I kinda thought you were intelligent, I guess we are both wrong..

#16 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:16 AM | Reply

#14

I figured you wouldn't get the reference, thanks for proving me right.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-24 12:16 AM | Reply

Pelosi's save America bill sounds great, lots of benefits to Americans...

#10 | POSTED BY BORED

That's plain dumb. We are on the verge of an economic and health meltdown and she's inserting a bunch of unrelated nonsense into an aid package because she thinks she can get away with it.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-24 12:17 AM | Reply

#7 These all sound fine:
Eliminate debt held by the U.S. Postal Service - a bailout for an essential service
Require same-day voter registration nationwide - not sure why this isn't policy now
Pay off $10,000 in student debt per person - benefit the struggling
Automatically extend non-immigrant visas - we don't want to force tourists to travel during a lockdown
Restrict colleges from providing information about citizenship status - privacy rights

If speed is an issue the Senate should have approved the dem bill from last week.

#19 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 12:17 AM | Reply

Pelosi Coronavirus Plan Gives $300M in Taxpayer Money to Foreign Refugees
media.breitbart.com

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The bill also includes $1 billion "to build on program expanded by President Obama that provides discounted phone service for low-income consumers."

Are those the famous "Reagan Phones"?

#21 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-03-24 12:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Go easy on Bored, earlier he thought Trump made the call to postpone the Tokyo Olympics.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-24 12:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Pelosi's save America bill sounds great, lots of benefits to Americans...

And refugees ....

#23 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:18 AM | Reply

No, benefiting regular Americans isn't dumb, supporting the theft of half a trillion dollars is supercalifragalistic dumb.

#24 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 12:19 AM | Reply

Now is NOT the time for this crap.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ

Now IS the time most people are going to have to make rent and mortgage payments.

The Senate GOP bill was simply a major giveaway to corporations, with no guarantees they'd spend it on maintaining employee wages.

The House bill is looking out for citizens.

#25 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-24 12:19 AM | Reply

If speed is an issue the Senate should have approved the dem bill from last week.

#19 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2020-03-24 12:17 AM

They did and Trump signed it into law.

At least try to keep up.

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-24 12:19 AM | Reply

Go easy on Bored, earlier he thought Trump made the call to postpone the Tokyo Olympics.

Apologies Bored... sorry to come down so hard on you in such a difficult time.

#27 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

If speed is an issue the Senate should have approved the dem bill from last week.


LMAO I thought you said you read the NEWS FFS the NYT's had four different headlines .. cant you keep up with one of them?
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#28 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:21 AM | Reply

I figured you wouldn't get the reference, thanks for proving me right.
#17 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Next time try this: /pinky

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:21 AM | Reply

"Pelosi Coronavirus Plan Gives $300M in Taxpayer Money to Foreign Refugees"

How much for domestic refugees?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#22 I would never pretend Trump would show any leadership by protecting US citizens by protecting them from infection risk at the Olympics. You are clearly as confused about that as most of your posts indicate.

He has failed at everything in life, his marriages, his businesses, not committing fraud or rape.

#31 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 12:22 AM | Reply

The House bill is looking out for citizens.

#25 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

BS. The House bill included all sorts of crap that has nothing to do with the pandemic before us. New regulations for airplane emissions? GTFO here with that!

I'd like to see the Senate bill cleaned up. It still needs some work. The House bill needs to be tossed into a fireplace and set on fire. Maybe it can be added as an item to the game Little Inferno.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-24 12:22 AM | Reply

#21

Wow, the Canuck shames Snoofy with his historical knowledge.

#33 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-24 12:22 AM | Reply

"Sorry you can't pay your rent or buy food, but at least you'll have these solar credits." - Democrats

#34 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:23 AM | Reply

"BS. The House bill included all sorts of crap that has nothing to do with the pandemic before us"

Let's separate the wheat from the chaff, then.
Let's start with money.

Does money have anything to do with the pandemic before us, JeffJ?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:23 AM | Reply

This is NOT the time to try to insert a political wishlist into emergency legislation.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ

Like making sure average Americans can pay their bills, health insurance premiums, won't go broke over hospital bills, and won't get bad credit if they can't pay their student loans, etc?

The 2008 bailout resulted in corporations doing stock buybacks and execs increasing their salaries and bonuses.

The $500,000,000,000 slush fund with no strings or accountatility they wanted to give Mnunchin was laughable

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-24 12:23 AM | Reply

#28 I did. The dems blocked the theft of half a trillion dollars. The Reich wing is going to make Covid pay big time.

#37 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 12:24 AM | Reply

How much for domestic refugees?
30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Nothing .. but that doesn't stop the "solar credits" from happening ...

#38 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:24 AM | Reply

#36 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2020-03-24 12:23 AM | FLAG: SWING AND A MISS

#39 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:25 AM | Reply

The $500,000,000,000 slush fund with no strings or accountatility they wanted to give Mnunchin was laughable

#36 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

I agree. That's why I said I think the Senate bill needs to be cleaned up.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-24 12:25 AM | Reply

"The $500,000,000,000 slush fund with no strings or accountatility they wanted to give Mnunchin was laughable"

It's purely intended to keep the markets from going into free fall.
I'm actually not opposed to that per se, but it's not the only thing worth saving.
The funny/sad part is, a half trillion isn't close to enough money to keep the markets from going into free fall.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:25 AM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY BORED

No they didn't .... you just wish they had....

#42 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:26 AM | Reply

The funny/sad part is, a half trillion isn't close to enough money to keep the markets from going into free fall.

Well it is a "pandemic" isn't it? Do you think everything should remain normal?

#43 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 12:27 AM | Reply

#42 I do wish the dems have blocked the theft of half trillion dollars. You?

#44 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 12:28 AM | Reply

"Do you think everything should remain normal?"

No, I think Capitalism should be relegated to the dustbin of history, along with Feudalism, Mercantilism, and Communism.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:28 AM | Reply

#41 The funny/sad part is, a half trillion isn't close to enough money to keep the markets from going into free fall.

That is because the half trillion would go to into Trump cronies off shore accounts and not save a job. The smart money can see this.

#46 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 12:29 AM | Reply

#46 No, it's just not close to the cost of what's coming.

The whole nation on lockdown for a month or more will shave more than a half a trillion off GDP. I'm thinking more like three or four trillion. But then I'm a fiscal conservative, so I might be underestimating that.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I mean, yes, Mnuchin (spell check wants that to be Capuchin) will likely spend that in ways that don't really get much value for We The People. Of course!
But it's also not even close to enough money, even if spent well.

Deplorables are about to come face to face with a very, very hard lesson:
The trouble with Capitalism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

If the GOP really wanted to prop up the public stock market, they could have the gov buy stocks low now and sell them next year for a profit to pay down the debt.
Private companies could be offered low interest loans based on the amount taxes they paid in the last 5 years of their publicly released tax returns.

No free money to rich cronies of Trump at all. That is theft.

#49 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 12:35 AM | Reply

#47 It will cut GDP steeply. But GDP isn't profit. Businesses are not going to pay people not to work. So why should the gov pay businesses not to produce?

Compensate people who can't pay their bills due to loss of jobs. Businesses will have to negotiate with their creditors. Many businesses are doing great.

#50 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 12:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41 | Posted by snoofy

There was no accountability, no requirements companies use the $500b to pay employees and not enrich exec pay, and a host of other problems with it.

#51 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-03-24 12:49 AM | Reply

Eliminate debt held by the U.S. Postal Service;

Require same-day voter registration nationwide;

Pay off $10,000 in student debt per person;

Mandate that airlines reduce their overall carbon emissions by 50 percent by 2050;

Force federal agencies to increase their usage of "minority banks";

Automatically extend non-immigrant visas;

Restrict colleges from providing information about citizenship status;

Allocate $35 million to the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.

1. The USPS is the ONLY entity that delivers to every single address in America, often finishing the process started by private delivery services. The insane, unnecessary pre-funding regulations forced upon it by the GOP should be removed, especially at a time of severe financial upheaval when no one knows when normalcy will return.

2. Student loan debt CANNOT be paid while the economy goes into pause and workers receive no paychecks. Are you really that stupid not to understand why this is directly related to emergency relief?

3. The airlines want to receive taxpayer loans/money. There is nothing wrong with placing future stipulations upon their bailout by forcing them to agree with cleaner air regulations which benefit the public at large by lowering pollution improving air quality for everyone.

4. Part and parcel with the already stated need to diminish the size and scope of big banks and lessen the risk of their failures. By legislating greater governmental use of minority banks will increase their ability to serve underserved citizens in communities often ignored or slighted by larger banks.

5. At a time of tumult and change with the economy on pause, non-immigrants won't have the clock running during the time they may not be able to do/achieve what they're here for.

6. When people are struggling to survive during a pandemic, it's not the time to assist ICE in pursuing non-violent undocumented who'll be placed into environments that will accentuate the likelihood of catching and spreading the virus.

7. The assumption here is that while the economy is on pause, the usual philanthropy and gifting that supports the arts will wane, so the government is stepping in to provide continuing assistance for those impacted by the pause (or perhaps a healthy chunk of the money will go to pay salaries and benefits to employees, IDK)

One doesn't have to agree with each and every point, but it's undeniable that the need for each can be tied to the economic conditions that currently exist and are anticipated to continue for the foreseeable future. And none of them as a sop to a pet industry or any entity that already was favored in recent government tax cuts and/or bailouts unlike the $500 Billion fund (except for the airlines stipulation).

#52 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-24 12:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Allocate $35 million to the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts."

Nah.
I'd like my eleven cents back please.
Bazooka Joe needs it more.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:54 AM | Reply

No, I think Capitalism should be relegated to the dustbin of history, along with Feudalism, Mercantilism, and Communism.

#45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

And replace it with what?

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-24 01:04 AM | Reply

An economy built around the core concept of Personal Responsibility, not built around the core concept of shielding people from personal responsibility.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 01:06 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

While millions of Americans are losing their jobs
@SpeakerPelosi
wants to give the House of Representatives TWENTY FIVE MILLION dollars to prevent and prepare for #coronavirus. Seriously? Are you each getting custom hazmat suits? WTF is this.
twitter.com

#56 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 01:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The cost to end the Homeless Crisis was estimated at 80 Billion. We were told we could not afford that.
#1 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR
drudge.com

^
This needs to be part of the survival strategy.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 01:08 AM | Reply

2. Student loan debt CANNOT be paid while the economy goes into pause and workers receive no paychecks. Are you really that stupid not to understand why this is directly related to emergency relief?

There's a difference between temporary payment forgiveness and outright elimination of debt. Short-term compromises need to be made but lenders put that money out in good faith that it would be paid back. You are essentially saying, "Screw you!" to lenders. Longer term that will make it increasingly difficult for low income students to secure loans.

3. The airlines want to receive taxpayer loans/money. There is nothing wrong with placing future stipulations upon their bailout by forcing them to agree with cleaner air regulations which benefit the public at large by lowering pollution improving air quality for everyone.

Yes there is. What is being proposed is a stop-gap - keep the economy afloat artificially just long enough that we can at least get a reprieve from CV so that assuming this thing at least goes into hiatus late spring normal economic activity can resume. I can't think of a worse time to "never let a good crisis go to waste" by imposing new draconian regulations on an industry that is struggling to survive but is also crucial to our economy. The time for the measures being proposed by Democrats is when the economy is humming and new regs can slowly be implemented. During a crisis of this magnitude? Are you freacking nuts?

4. Part and parcel with the already stated need to diminish the size and scope of big banks and lessen the risk of their failures. By legislating greater governmental use of minority banks will increase their ability to serve underserved citizens in communities often ignored or slighted by larger banks.

I agree with you on this.

5. At a time of tumult and change with the economy on pause, non-immigrants won't have the clock running during the time they may not be able to do/achieve what they're here for.

Not sure what you are driving at with this one....Social distancing applies across all spectrums. We shouldn't be deporting anyone right now but we ALSO should be very tightly controlling all of our borders and minimizing cross-contamination at all levels.

6. When people are struggling to survive during a pandemic, it's not the time to assist ICE in pursuing non-violent undocumented who'll be placed into environments that will accentuate the likelihood of catching and spreading the virus.

Agreed. We need to hunker down for a while.

You made some really persuasive arguments, Tony. Problem is some of them are contrary to the House bill which is, among other things, a Dem wishlist exploiting a crisis for their own ends when the needed legislation should be singularly focused.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-24 01:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#50 BORED

What a patently insane response. Which businesses in particular have any kind of rosy outlook? Ammo manufacturers?

#59 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-03-24 06:06 AM | Reply

#58 JEFFJ

So students will be paying their debt with what exactly? Prison time? You fake conservatives disgust me.

#60 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-03-24 06:08 AM | Reply

So students will be paying their debt with what exactly?

Hopefully a job ....

But the more games the Democrats play the less likely small businesses will exist. Business saw no progress after Sunday's mess, so they are letting people go.

Insane to claim you care about jobs and workers today.

We see what you really want, collapse the economy to hopefully throw a hail mary to see SlowJoe get elected.

Which businesses in particular have any kind of rosy outlook?

Netflix, 5G ....

Student loan debt CANNOT be paid while the economy goes into pause and workers receive no paychecks.

Well part of the bill on Sunday that the Democrats killed allowed businesses to send paychecks.

Monday after nothing was "completed" by the "do nothing" democrats, thousands of businesses are shutting.

Part and parcel with the already stated need to diminish the size and scope of big banks and lessen the risk of their failures.

it's not the time to assist ICE in pursuing non-violent undocumented who'll be placed into environments that will accentuate the likelihood of catching and spreading the virus

But its OK to keep allowing illegal immigrants into the country, what a ridiculous statement.

Address it after the crisis ... why didn't Obama do anything? Why destroy the economy to get what you think is important?

The cost to end the Homeless Crisis was estimated at 80 Billion.

No its not ... its a never ending spending ... in fact in Seattle its called the Homelessness Industrial Complex.

#61 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 11:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"its a never ending spending"

Oh, just like bailouts.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#59 The businesses that are going great are healthcare, home entertainment, cleaning supplies logistics, blood computing and tele presence to name a few.

You know less than you think.

#63 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 12:38 PM | Reply

Businesses without demand will let staff go.
Giving them a check will do nothing for the workers.

Cutout the middleman and give loss of income relief to the poor who have lost jobs. Also remove healthcare from employers and make Medicare available to all who want it.

#64 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 12:42 PM | Reply

#41 | Posted by snoofy
There was no accountability, no requirements companies use the $500b to pay employees and not enrich exec pay, and a host of other problems with it.
#51 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Okay, but those "problems" aren't problems at all.
They are intrinsic structurals feature of Capitalism.
The problem isn't this one tree; the problem is the forest.

We operate within an economic paradigm that shields stakeholders from personal responsibility for their actions, in order to induce greater risk-taking and personal gain. Those liabilities have to end up somewhere, and when push comes to shove, it's always the taxpayer who is told we'll have to tighten our belts to pay for someone else's mistakes.

Spring breakers who ignore the stay at home order are simply emulating the exact behavior it takes to succeed in business. True, some spring breakers might get sick, just like some businesses might go bankrupt, but that's how the game is supposed to be played. And we're here to pay their hospital bills.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:49 PM | Reply

So students will be paying their debt with what exactly?

I said temporary loan forgiveness, meaning they can postpone payments for a few months without penalty. Do you have a problem with that?

#66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-24 12:50 PM | Reply

After a few months, students will be paying their debt with what exactly?

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 12:51 PM | Reply

#67 We are talking student loans, right?

Assuming the economy reverts back to functionality within a few months however they were paying them before.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-24 12:53 PM | Reply

Let's assume, like the government does, that a pandemic will last 18 months or longer and could have multiple waves of infection:

After a few months, students will be paying their debt with what exactly?

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 01:05 PM | Reply

After a few months, adjust as necessary.

It's not a difficult concept. If the forgiveness period needs to be extended, extend it.

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-24 01:10 PM | Reply

I wish the new jobless claims data for the past week would be published. The House Dems and then Senate GOP are both playing the same old stupid partisan games while people are dying and a tsunami of negative trailing economic indicator news unlike the world has ever seen is headed for shore. News of millions of newly unemployed people and who knows how how many now shuttered businesses will hopefully provide the incentive the partisans need to suddenly find focus and address the needs of the masses instead of special interests.

#71 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-03-24 01:15 PM | Reply

JeffJ, how about the Fed simply pays $5,000 on every American student loan, much in the way the Fed just printed $5,000 for every American citizen, and then gave it to Wall Street?

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 01:23 PM | Reply

JeffJ, how about we simply discharge student loans in bankruptcy, the same way companies discharge their debts in bankruptcy?

Why not just have We The People play by those rules, that work so well for business?

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 01:24 PM | Reply

It's all about the donors. See,they have needs and desires that conflict with the common good, so when push comes to shove, they get their way, the masses get bupkiss. That's the way it has always been. Why would it change now,? Some people might die? They have NEVER cared about that before. Some people might lose everything? That's why they're called Losers. The Donors are oligarchs and their enablers.
They don't CARE ABOUT ANYONE OR ANYTHING BUT THEMSELVES. We are so screwed,
it's not funny.

#74 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-24 01:30 PM | Reply

It's the same old argument of Tinkle Down economics vs Rise Up economics whether in a Budget or a Stimulus.... one is regressive, the other progressive. Some of both are necessary, but the emphases on Rise Up is more effective and more fair.

Let's make it easier for rwingers to understand:

Obama tried, and it werked.

www.youtube.com

Cartoon version for Mattress:

www.youtube.com

Intelligent, fact-based argument

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each about 2 min or less

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-24 01:47 PM | Reply

"Perhaps the most troubling sections of the bill are under the rubric American Coronavirus/COVID"19 Election Safety and Security" or ACCESS" Act. This section would impose requirements on states for early voting, voting by mail, required mailing of absentee ballots to everyone, ballot harvesting (i.e., having third parties deliver absentee ballots), online voter registration, same-day registration and other practices which undermine confidence in the integrity of the ballot."

A better revelation of who Republicans really are could not be written better. To ROC that is the "most troublint" aspect of this bill. We've know who he has been all along but didn't expect him to come right out and admit it. But, now he has.

#76 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-24 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But its OK to keep allowing illegal immigrants into the country, what a ridiculous statement."

To my knowledge not a single employer has gone to jail. Til they do just shut up. I am sick of hypocrites pretending they want an end to illegal immigration.

#77 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-24 02:24 PM | Reply

#76

I'm surprised you didn't blurt out "Interstate CrossCheck" in your post...

BTW, when it is in quotes that means that it came from the article.

Most people realize this but you never read them anyway.

#78 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-24 03:25 PM | Reply

JeffJ, how about the Fed simply pays $5,000 on every American student loan, much in the way the Fed just printed $5,000 for every American citizen, and then gave it to Wall Street?

#72 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-03-24 01:23 PM | FLAG:

How about we raise your rates and use the extra funds to pay off the national debt? Student loans = financial success in the long run. You can afford it.

#79 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-24 07:36 PM | Reply

"How about we raise your rates and use the extra funds to pay off the national debt?"

So, raise my rates, and then steal my interest payments to my loan servicing corporation and redistribute them to the government?

Serious question:
Anyone ever tell you you sound just like a Libertarian?

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 07:56 PM | Reply

Card carrying, liberal Democrat flirting with progressive redistribution. Everybody that made it through college can afford it the extra burden, they do better financially through life.

#81 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-25 10:16 AM | Reply

Still, folks will cry that Dems are the same as the GOP.

#82 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-25 11:41 AM | Reply

Looking into this, the Dems really did a good job.

#83 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-25 03:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#83

Really?

How much of it made it into the final bill that was agreed upon today?

#84 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-25 04:18 PM | Reply

SMFH

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter

Somebody needs to...

...Hard.

#85 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-03-25 05:30 PM | Reply

Looking into this, the Dems really did a good job.

#83 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Considering that they are the minority party, they certainly did.

It's not wise to mess with Nancy Pelosi.

#86 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-25 07:30 PM | Reply

"Looking into this, the Dems really did a good job.

#83 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-03-25 03:35 PM | FLAG: pork lover -- as long as it's leftie pork

#87 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-25 07:34 PM | Reply

I don't know where McConnell/Trump/Mnuchin thought they were going with that super-duper secret $500 Billion slush fund.

I know it got Pelosi's attention . . . and that was the end of THAT.

#88 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-03-25 07:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#84 |

All the important stuff.

You know, like some actual help for workers and some transparency for the corporate give-away.

#89 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-25 07:53 PM | Reply

Pelosi?
Time for Deplorables to ask who's gonna pay!
They've been doing a remarkable job of keeping their "Who's Gonna Pay" powder dry and not firing any errant shots towards the Executive Branch or the Senate.

Don't fire until you see the whites of Pelosi's eyes... Or Her Emails!

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 08:20 PM | Reply

All this stuff about crushing corporate Dems is garbage. The Dems step in and protect us.

#91 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-25 09:47 PM | Reply

#90

Time for you despicables to give up your socialist wish list.

#92 | Posted by willowby at 2020-03-25 10:45 PM | Reply

#92 You're saying now is the once-in-a-generation opportunity to end Social Security, Medicare, and public education, right?

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 10:49 PM | Reply

#93

No. I'm talking about the crap you despicables are trying to cram in. Things you couldn't get through regular legislation. Hold the people hostage until you get it.

#94 | Posted by willowby at 2020-03-25 11:00 PM | Reply

Just a bunch of vague BS then?
Okay.
Wash your hands.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 11:49 PM | Reply

"Hold the people hostage until you get it."

Why can't the governors step up, like Trump says?

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 11:49 PM | Reply

Are you drunk, snoofy? You didn't understand a thing I said.

#97 | Posted by willowby at 2020-03-26 01:18 AM | Reply

Or was it just despicables being despicables?

#98 | Posted by willowby at 2020-03-26 01:19 AM | Reply

"You didn't understand a thing I said."

It's more like, "despicable" doesn't really identify any specific policy that you find too Communist.
What it does do is make you sound like Daffy Duck.
Carry on.

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-26 01:37 AM | Reply

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