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Tuesday, March 24, 2020

Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick said on Fox News Monday night that "lots of" grandparents would be willing to die in order in to save the economy for their grandchildren.

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They should all get together, hug, shake hands, lick their fingers, and pass around a skin of wine.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-03-24 01:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Dan Patrick going all in for the youth vote!

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2020-03-24 01:32 AM | Reply

Trump/Satan 2020
Campaign slogan: Many of you will die, but that is a sacrifice we are willing to make.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-24 02:09 AM | Reply

YOU first. I got no grandkids,F**k that. Why don't the young die to protect the old?
This ------ is getting like Shirley Jackson's,"the lottery" for gawds sake.

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-24 04:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Send in the death panels.. oh, they're already here."

#5 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-03-24 06:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Redneck response to every problem is to kill something or let it die.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-24 08:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump/Satan 2020
#3 | POSTED BY BORED "

Just as on the Olympics thread and many others, you have to be reminded this one is not about Trump.

You are as bad as CraZed about inserting Trump into everything.

#7 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-24 08:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Patrick, 69

Nice.

(Number seems to be a common theme during this pandemic)

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-03-24 08:44 AM | Reply

This ------ is getting like Shirley Jackson's,"the lottery" for gawds sake.

#1 | Posted by Effeteposer

In emergencies, people show who they really are.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-24 08:47 AM | Reply

Gov. Patrick speaks as the ignorant fool he is. Millions of us grandparents are either raising our grandchildren ourselves or assisting our children in raising theirs. Sure, I'd be willing to die if it insured that my family would have good lives because of my sacrifice but no one can actually tell me truthfully that would be the result of my death while logic tells me I still serve a very useful purpose and people like Patrick are just plain evil, He's trying to turn this into a generational thing. Perhaps his family would be better off without him but millions of us other seniors know that our offspring would not be better off without us because we still contribute largely to the upkeep of our families.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-24 09:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

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Harris County goes on stay at home/essential services only as of midnight. That's the 30+ cities that make up Houston.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-03-24 09:45 AM | Reply

It's interesting how quickly Republicans have pivoted from "it's completely under control" to "you don't *really* need parents, do you?"

Pro life my ass.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-24 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

you have to be reminded this one is not about Trump.

#6 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

None of it is truly about Trump. Trump is just a crazy narcissistic -----. But, there are lots of crappy people like him in our country.

What it is truly about is that conservatives decided to elevate said crappy person to the highest position in our government. And, here is another example of a crappy person that conservatives have elevated to a position of power.

He didn't get into this position on his own. Other people decided to help him and support him and vote for him.

YOU ALL built that. This isn't about Trump. It is about what should be concluded from the fact that the people conservatives CHOOSE to represent them are in general crappy human beings.

#13 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-24 09:50 AM | Reply

It's interesting how quickly Republicans have pivoted from "it's completely under control" to "you don't *really* need parents, do you?"

#9 | POSTED BY JOE

Not sure whether to give you a NW, a FF, or just wish there was a "depressing because it is true" flag.

#14 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-24 09:52 AM | Reply

What it is really about is that Trumpers honestly believe that their agenda should supersede reality. When they can't manipulate reality to their agenda then fine, ignore reality. Has it occurred to you yet, the people are ---- crazy? Is it really a possibility that these people are thinking it is ok for seniors to die if it will revive our economy? There is absolutely no reason to even believe that at all but they are actually beginning to believe it. Are we really ready for a new Holocaust, this time based on age? With a virus like this you'll have one big problem. Go ahead, kill all the elderly but then you'll see the virus still existing, it will keep killing until it is even the young who are victims. The virus doesn't know nor care how old you are and statistics are beginning to show that, young people are also at risk just like old folks. Pretend otherwise and all you'll accomplish is making yourself feel like a murderer right before you die.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-24 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Republican obsession with money and the economy has become a disease. A plague in its own right.

Ironically, they're not even right about it most of the time.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-24 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What it is really about is that Trumpers honestly believe that their agenda should supersede reality

#12 | Posted by danni

Really the best observation on Trumpism I've seen yet.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-24 10:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It has been a disease in this country for over 100 years.

Does anyone really think that the oligarchs will willingly stop their position of power?

#18 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-03-24 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Most seniors and other vulnerable people would voluntarily quarantine themselves because they know what could happen if they don't. Furthermore, many would be in a position to restrict visitors and to impose a strict sanitizing regimen on those that do visit.

For those rare instances that seniors would need to venture out (i.e. food shopping, doctor visits, etc.), special accommodations could be made such as opening the stores an hour early or implementing (food) shopping from home as is done by stores like Shoprite, Walmart, etc.

Get America back to work. We will quarantine ourselves!

#19 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2020-03-24 10:54 AM | Reply

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Our people want to return to work. They will practice Social Distancing and all else, and Seniors will be watched over protectively & lovingly. We can do two things together. THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE (by far) THAN THE PROBLEM! Congress MUST ACT NOW. We will come back strong!
10:16 AM Mar 24, 2020

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 11:01 AM | Reply

#15 Trump in translation: My re-election is more important than anything else, and I am counting on a strong economy to be my ace-in-the-hole.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 11:03 AM | Reply

"We will quarantine ourselves!"

Self-quarantining is the new self-deportation!

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 11:05 AM | Reply

The only way we're really going to get through this and save the economy for everyone is by paying those who have lost their incomes, for the duration of the crisis.

The Republican plan attempts to stimulate the economy with more trickle-down, which will substantially leave the working class behind. The Dems plan puts far more money in the hands of people who need it to live. We know a giant stimulus plan is coming. But so far neither party is proposing a way to pay for it.

Republicans are proposing shortening the economic hardship by calling off social distancing and putting those with compromised health at even more risk. Although the Dems haven't proposed it yet, America can support the Dem plan and bolster the economy long term by rolling back decades of tax cuts for high income folks.

So cons, go ask your grandparents if they're willing to die to protect tax cuts for the rich. I'd love to hear their answers.

#23 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-03-24 11:06 AM | Reply

#14 The virus can kill able-bodied young people. It isn't just bad for seniors to get it.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-24 11:06 AM | Reply

#6 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

None of it is truly about Trump. Trump is just a crazy narcissistic -----. But, there are lots of crappy people like him in our country.

So this thread is all about goatman?

You just made his day!

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-24 11:16 AM | Reply

I think I will pass on letting my folks die so the economy can chug along. I don't know of any seniors who would go along with this. My 87 year old aunt still hits the gym 3-4 days a week before this and likes to go on bus trips antiquing. She would probably smack me if I mentioned dying for the economy. I think this guy is just a kook to be ignored.

#26 | Posted by byrdman at 2020-03-24 11:17 AM | Reply

Meanwhile in St Louis.

"St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson says the victim is a woman in her 30s who tested positive for COVID-19 on Sunday."
kmox.radio.com

Is this what people like Trump and Patrick want more of? Because this is what they will get if we follow the direction they are pointing

#27 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-03-24 11:22 AM | Reply

Texas Lt. Gov Dan Patrick said on Fox News Monday night that "lots of" grandparents would be willing to die in order in to save the economy for their grandchildren.

POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

He is speaking for Texans. We appreciate your sacrifice Texans. You all go first and expose your elders to the virus and set an example for the rest of us.

Goatman is ready for Carrousel.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-24 11:24 AM | Reply

"It's interesting how quickly Republicans have pivoted from "it's completely under control" to "you don't *really* need parents, do you?""

Previously, the same folks were determined to turn "income inequality" into a generational conflict. Same strategy just aimed at a different problem. Somehow though, the elderly of the 1% are exempt from this strategy. Think about how quickly the wealth get tested, get results, get treatment, while the rest of us waited in hours long lines for testing and still haven't received results.

Wait, let me go check for results for Quest Diagnostics again, for the thousanth time.

I did. No surprise, no results. But hey, I'm still not blaming healthcare professionals, they are handling the biggest epidemic in history and I am thankful for their courage and their incredible efforts.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-24 11:28 AM | Reply

"So this thread is all about goatman?

#20 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY"

You are certainly making it that way having gratuitously brought me up in two different posts.

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-24 11:30 AM | Reply

"Goatman is ready for Carrousel.
#23 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY"

I was ready 34 years ago.

#31 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-24 11:30 AM | Reply

In New York, we have Matilda's Law, but Matilda's Law without social distancing won't work:

Governor Cuomo also announced "Matilda's Law" - named for the Governor's mother - to protect New York's most vulnerable populations, including individuals age 70 and older, those with compromised immune systems and those with underlying illnesses. The measure requires this group of New Yorkers to stay home and limit home visitation to immediate family members or close friends in need of emergency assistance. If it is necessary to visit such individuals, the visitor should get prescreened by taking temperature and seeing if person is exhibiting other flu-like symptoms. Both individuals should wear a mask for the duration of the visit.

"Matilda's Law" includes the following rules for vulnerable populations:

Remain indoors;
Can go outside for solitary exercise;
Pre-screen all visitors and aides by taking their temperature and seeing if person is exhibiting other flu-like symptoms;
Do not visit households with multiple people;
Wear a mask when in the company of others;
To the greatest extent possible, everyone in the presence of vulnerable people should wear a mask;
Always stay at least six feet away from individuals; and
Do not take public transportation unless urgent and absolutely necessary.


www.governor.ny.gov

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 11:37 AM | Reply

You are certainly making it that way having gratuitously brought me up in two different posts.

#25 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Risky I know.

Like saying Betelgeuse Betelgeuse Betelgeuse!

Oops.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-24 11:39 AM | Reply

Richest nation on Earth. What a joke. So money grubbing they are willing to sacrifice anyone they deem more "Expendable" than themselves. This virus is surely going to cause everyone to show their ass before it's all over.
Could'nt going back to normal too soon cause mass death and a deeper
economic downturn than staying the course?
The worst of both worlds, failure to contain the disease,and more monetary losses. Trump really can't see anything beyond himself. Total loser, his death would be a blessing if him living on means such poor governance.

#34 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-24 12:10 PM | Reply

From the WHO site:

Older people, and people with pre-existing medical conditions (such as asthma, diabetes, heart disease) appear to be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill with the virus.

www.who.int

I am aware that young people can get ill from the coronavirus but the question is how ill. Ill enough to be hospitalized? If so, keep the economy shut down. However, if they aren't ill enough to require hospitalization, open up the economy.

Of the young people that I have heard that got seriously ill, they all seemed to have some type of underlying health condition that weakened their immune systems. Hopefully these young people know who they are and can self quarantine.

#35 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2020-03-24 12:12 PM | Reply

young people know who they are and can self quarantine.

#30 | POSTED BY FEDUPWITHPOLS

Young people do not know how to "self quarantine ".

They may live in moms basement but when it's time to "party" look out.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-03-24 12:45 PM | Reply

I am aware that young people can get ill from the coronavirus but the question is how ill. Ill enough to be hospitalized? If so, keep the economy shut down.

Glad we agree. Keep the economy shut down.

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-24 01:11 PM | Reply

I sense a certain smug feeling of being less at risk among some people. This may be objectively true,or not. The virus is largely unknown in it's effects and long term complications.
Until more is known, to assume that one is not at personal risk is dumb.
Young people always think "it" will happen to somebody else. Sometimes this is true. Sometimes not. Nobody is immune from death and illness.
Dividing people up against each other on a scale of who is more at risk is a foolish endeavor. In the end EVERYONE IS AT RISK. Not everyone wants to believe it.

#38 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-24 01:15 PM | Reply

Just as on the Olympics thread and many others, you have to be reminded this one is not about Trump.

You are as bad as CraZed about inserting Trump into everything.

#7 | Posted by goatman

It's about the same priorities that trump had at the beginning of the crisis - saving the stock market is more important than saving lives.

This exposes the mental disease that has infected your party. Everything is about money.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-03-24 01:49 PM | Reply

Plus those damn LIB states were the first ones to shut everything down. And since the primary republican reason for living these days is to do the opposite of libs no matter what, then the proper republican response is obviously to ignore the virus and NOT shut anything down. Can't admit those libs were right. Too bad the virus won't care and their stupidity will be clear for everyone to witness this time.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-03-24 01:50 PM | Reply

Plus those damn LIB states were the first ones to shut everything down.

#40 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

And they are the ones who drive the economy. If lib states are shut down, who is going to pay for all the "free stuff" for the conservative base? And now conservatives want to give "free stuff" to everyone. Conservatives need those liberal economies back up and running to pay for it.

#41 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-24 02:55 PM | Reply

#15 Trump in translation: My re-election is more important than anything else, and I am counting on a strong economy to be my ace-in-the-hole.

#21 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

What's funny about it is that if his policies lead to unimpeded spread the panic and economic effects will be even greater.

When everybody is too afraid to go out because people are coughing and sneezing all over everything it'll be this but uncontrolled and worse.

IMO of course.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2020-03-24 03:49 PM | Reply

"Glad we agree. Keep the economy shut down."

With the economy shut down, who is going to provide me with a salary?

Who is going to provide you with your free ----?

Just curious. Are you old?

#43 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-24 04:44 PM | Reply

And yes, sacrificing the young and healthy for the benefit of the old and sickly is retarded. It's evolutionary. And with this disease, it's the old and sickly who are at risk. Mostly Old and sickly at the same time.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-24 04:46 PM | Reply

The best alternative would be to segregate the old and the sickly...although I know that when I get to that point, I'd rather just die and get it over with. I don't think I would ever find anything remotely enjoyable about being sequestered to a sterilized room in some facility.

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-24 04:49 PM | Reply

Sacrificing the old and the sickly for the benefit of the young and healthy is very Third Reich of you.

Particularly when it is not the lives of the young and healthy so much at stake, but their comfort and convenience.... most of which was pre-purchased for them by the old and the sickly.

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-24 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"With the economy shut down, who is going to provide me with a salary?"

With the economy shut down, why do you need a salary?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 04:51 PM | Reply

What it is really about is that Trumpers honestly believe that their agenda should supersede reality. When they can't manipulate reality to their agenda then fine, ignore reality. Has it occurred to you yet, the people are ---- crazy? Is it really a possibility that these people are thinking it is ok for seniors to die if it will revive our economy? There is absolutely no reason to even believe that at all but they are actually beginning to believe it. Are we really ready for a new Holocaust, this time based on age? With a virus like this you'll have one big problem. Go ahead, kill all the elderly but then you'll see the virus still existing, it will keep killing until it is even the young who are victims. The virus doesn't know nor care how old you are and statistics are beginning to show that, young people are also at risk just like old folks. Pretend otherwise and all you'll accomplish is making yourself feel like a murderer right before you die.

#15 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-03-24 10:24 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Holy cannoli. Danni, this is the unfiltered, ugly truth, and I don't know that I've ever seen a better description of why Trumpism disgusts me so much.

And no, it's not just Trump as an individual, but about how the gross movement that got him elected measures human value in dollars and cents. This mindset says, "People are disposable because they are no longer contributing to the economy, and darn it, that's putting a crimp in my lifestyle."

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world if he loses his soul?

#48 | Posted by cbob at 2020-03-24 05:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Next month the Lt Gov will be telling us he was just looking for novel ways to save Social Security...

#49 | Posted by bartimus at 2020-03-24 05:26 PM | Reply

"Sacrificing the old and the sickly for the benefit of the young and healthy is very Third Reich of you."

I think you maybe intentionally missing the point. It's more a question of whether you sacrifice the lives of the young and healthy in an unwinnable attempt to save the old and the sickly.

Is it your position that, if the old and sickly can't live a few more years, then everyone suffers?

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-24 05:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"With the economy shut down, why do you need a salary?"

That's true.

Then we all get what we want by taking it from those who have it. Probably at gunpoint.

Are you ready?

#51 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-24 05:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"People are disposable because they are no longer contributing to the economy, and darn it, that's putting a crimp in my lifestyle."

Being able to buy food isn't exactly a lifestyle choice.

In Italy, gas stations will begin closing on Wednesday. First on the motorways, followed gradually by everything else.

This means that cargo trucks will not be able to distribute food to grocery stores. And even if they were, people would be unable to use a car to get to them. That's not just going to effect old people...that's going to effect everyone.

So, like I said, you're everyone out of fear that the old and the sickly might die.

#52 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-24 05:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Then we all get what we want by taking it from those who have it. Probably at gunpoint."

Force has always been the ultimate backstop of government authority.
What you're (ostensibly) worried about is the way it's always been.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 05:33 PM | Reply

"Being able to buy food isn't exactly a lifestyle choice."

Since when?
What happened to going and living in the forest, MadBomber?
???

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 05:34 PM | Reply

"Is it your position that, if the old and sickly can't live a few more years, then everyone suffers?"

Don't you think it might hinge on where the old and sickly die, and how often?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 05:44 PM | Reply

" And even if they were, people would be unable to use a car to get to them"

Dang, if only people had a way to go places that didn't require bringing two tons of steel with them...

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 05:48 PM | Reply

And yes, sacrificing the young and healthy for the benefit of the old and sickly is retarded. It's evolutionary. And with this disease, it's the old and sickly who are at risk. Mostly Old and sickly at the same time.

#44 | Posted by madbomber

Read this and tell me if this sounds like a disease that only threatens the old and sick:

www.facebook.com

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-03-24 05:58 PM | Reply

MadBomber doesn't come here to learn things.
He's here to teach us the virtues of Capitalism.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-24 06:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's just cut to the chase, shall we? Everyone back to work except those who care for the elderly:

Spanish Military Finds Dead Bodies And Seniors 'Completely Abandoned' In Care Homes

The Spanish military has found older residents of some care homes "completely abandoned" and even "dead in their beds," Defense Minister Margarita Robles said in a television interview on Monday.

They were found as soldiers disinfected and provided emergency health care services this week to residential homes across the country. Robles did not give an exact figure for the number of dead bodies found by Spanish soldiers.

With more than 39,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 2,800 deaths as of Tuesday, Spain is the second hardest-hit country in Europe.

On Tuesday, 514 new deaths were registered in a 24-hour period, the worst increase since the outbreak began. Retirement homes have been particularly affected.


www.npr.org

The dripping blood our only drink,
The bloody flesh our only food:
In spite of which we like to think
That we are sound, substantial flesh and blood--
Again, in spite of that, we call this Friday good.

East Cocker from The Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot
oedipa.tripod.com

#59 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

- an unwinnable attempt to save the old and the sickly

I see that someone has already thrown his hands skyward in terror and trembling and is now offering his grandparents... and a few of his siblings and their children (see: 3 year old dies in LA of cvirus) to appease his desire not to have to miss a paycheck or an NBA basketball game.

Oh, the horror.

Of course, his great grandparents only won WWII at a much greater cost to give him the possibilities of opportunity and comfort he has today. Good thing they aren't around to see their children rounded up for the gas chambers of his neglect.

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-24 07:36 PM | Reply

Yep, Jonestown came to my mind:

Ex-FBI Agent Compares Trump's GOP To A "Death Cult"

"I dealt with suicidal cults before. I encountered people who are willing to die for their faith, ideology, race, etc.," Soufan wrote on Twitter. "But, I never encountered anyone who is willing to die for someone else's 401k. This is a whole new level of craziness."

mavenroundtable.io

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 08:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jason Campbell @JasonSCampbell

Glenn Beck says older Americans should return to work: "Even if we all get sick, I would rather die than kill the country"

twitter.com

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-24 08:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

if retirees want to working in all the grocery stores and let parents with children stay home that's their prerogative but I doubt they want to do that.

#63 | Posted by Tor at 2020-03-24 11:27 PM | Reply

Can imagine the conversation..
God- I gave you the most precious gift I have, life, and you sacrificed it for what?
Elderly/sick- pieces of paper with numbers on them, they are much more important.

Trumps masters the oil executives are pissed about cheap oil and reminded him who he works for.

#64 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-03-25 01:42 AM | Reply

Glenn Beck says older Americans should return to work: "Even if we all get sick, I would rather die than kill the country"

So, our country is really little more than the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
I do appreciate the honesty Deplorables exhibit when it comes to this issue.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 01:55 AM | Reply

Glenn Beck says older Americans should return to work: "Even if we all get sick, I would rather die than kill the country"

So, our country is really little more than the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
I do appreciate the honesty Deplorables exhibit when it comes to this issue.

#65 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-03-25 01:55 AM

I'm guessing you are not a fan of Jack Kevorkian.

#66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-25 02:05 AM | Reply

I don't really fanboi out over people, even ones I like and respect.
I try to treat people like people, e.g. not the way fans tend to behave around their idols with all the jumping around and the oh em gee.
It's a Golden Rule thing.

Now I'm trying to think of the most famous person I ever talked to. Probably Roger Penrose.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 02:14 AM | Reply

"Since when? What happened to going and living in the forest, MadBomber?"

That's true.

What are you going to hunt in San Diego, Snoofy?

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 03:45 AM | Reply

"Read this and tell me if this sounds like a disease that only threatens the old and sick:"

First, the age 40-49 demographic is where you start to see mortality rates increase up to .4% of those infected. So your odds of not dying are 249/250. But yes, those with underlying conditions are going to be affected. And it might be an unrecognized condition, some quirk in the immune system. But you're sacrificing 249/250 for 1/250.

Does that make sense to you? Because I would take those odds, even though I'm older than this guy. In fact I am taking those odds, as I'll be heading in to work shortly, then to the grocery store, then the pharmacy, and finally the garden store.

Fortunately the government hasn't told me that I'm no longer allowed to do those things necessary to take care of myself and my family.

#69 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 03:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Of course, his great grandparents only won WWII at a much greater cost to give him the possibilities of opportunity and comfort he has today. Good thing they aren't around to see their children rounded up for the gas chambers of his neglect."

yeah.

I think the generation that stormed the beach at Normandy would be asking how this country became such a bunch of Nancys. Shutting the country down (and hurting everyone) over the possibility of a few casualties. They would, after all, know a thing or two about casualties.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 03:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"So, our country is really little more than the Dow Jones Industrial Average."

I don't think the median household income earner is nearly as concerned about the Dow as they are being able to earn the income needed to keep the household afloat. Something asshats like you don't seem to care about.

I don't get you. You talk like your some champion of the middle class or workers or whatever, yet you seem to be the first one saying they need to stay home indefinitely (or 18 months, iirc) for the sake of a few others.

#71 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 04:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Posted by madbomber

This little twerp is just f**king retarded.

#72 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-03-25 07:13 AM | Reply

Aren't these those Death Panels were warning us about?? Who knew that it was all just projection.

#73 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-25 07:20 AM | Reply

Aren't these those Death Panels the GOP were warning us about?? Who knew that it was all just projection.

#74 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-25 07:21 AM | Reply

Death panels have already been fully implemented in Italy, and probably Spain now as well. Doctors are prioritizing patients with stronger health histories, generally those who are young, over those who are older and less likely to recover. As the number of cases increase in other countries, they will likely be forced to do the same.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 07:47 AM | Reply

#75 True, but at the heart of the pandemic, as hospitals descend into chaos and run out of space, the death panels are much less precise and it ends up being more of a first come/first served lottery.

#76 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-25 08:00 AM | Reply

think the generation that stormed the beach at Normandy would be asking how this country became such a bunch of Nancys.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 03:58

Taking Tarawa caused 1,000 American deaths per day, for three days.

The American public was outraged. Enough so the military changed war strategy altogether, and went to an island-hopping tactic that proved to brilliantly shorten the war.

#77 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-25 09:07 AM | Reply

think the generation that stormed the beach at Normandy would be asking how this country became such a bunch of Nancys.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 03:58

The Greatest Generation will not think you a man for approving the death of old people.

That's what the Nazis did.

#78 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-25 09:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When did Republicans (and Libertarians) start to insist that old people are expendable?

It's ghoulish.

Do Republicans think that it's better to have a tens of thousands older people die than Donald Trump not be re-elected?

Apparently they do.

#79 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-25 09:12 AM | Reply

I want you "Conservatives", who get the hell bent out of shape when anyone suggests the United States is not special and unique, to consider that a special and unique nation is capable of finding a way to have a functioning economy and not sponsor a holocaust.

#80 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-25 09:16 AM | Reply

Forgive me, Jesus, but I hate Trumpism. I guess that means I hate Donald Trump. You guys who said Trump isn't Hitler and the Republican Party not Nazis? How stupid that was.

#81 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-25 09:17 AM | Reply

"I want you "Conservatives", who get the hell bent out of shape when anyone suggests the United States is not special and unique, to consider that a special and unique nation is capable of finding a way to have a functioning economy and not sponsor a holocaust."

Ruh-Roh, Raggy, it appears you are starting to think. You seem to be one of the few.

Maybe instead of placing an entire population in quarantine, you only quarantine those who identify high risk factors. In secure areas where they can be more or less contained. And once quarantined they remain there treated by special staff who are either themselves quarantined, or screened for the virus prior to coming into contact. That would seem like a far better solution to me, yet it's not something that has been addressed. Maybe because a lot of old people would just say "------, I'd rather die." That would be my father's position, anyways.

#82 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 11:12 AM | Reply

"The Greatest Generation will not think you a man for approving the death of old people."

Really?

What do you think they would think of the doctors in Italy, prioritizing healthier, generally younger patients over those who are older and less likely to respond to treatment. I think the greatest generation, the ones who had to make difficult decisions about who lived and who dies, would not second guess the doctors, even as the doctors were effectively sentencing them to death.

#83 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 11:14 AM | Reply

"Forgive me, Jesus, but I hate Trumpism. I guess that means I hate Donald Trump."

You do realize that the elderly white demographic probably one of the most at risk, and the most likely to be Trump supporters.

Food for thought.

#84 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 11:25 AM | Reply

Mammon demands a blood sacrifice.

#85 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-03-25 11:49 AM | Reply

I'm a fan of The idea of Glenn Beckkk sacrificing himself.
Chop chop Glenn, get to it...... and no you cannot bring your chalkboard to hell.

#86 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-03-25 01:20 PM | Reply

Maybe instead of placing an entire population in quarantine, you only quarantine those who identify high risk factors.

You want every single American over a certain age or with conditions like diabetes and high blood pressure to be sent to internment?

#87 | Posted by rcade at 2020-03-25 01:41 PM | Reply

I think the greatest generation, the ones who had to make difficult decisions about who lived and who dies, would not second guess the doctors, even as the doctors were effectively sentencing them to death.

This is a complete fantasy. Old people aren't going to sacrifice themselves so that younger people can go back to work sooner. Old people don't even vote for tax increases to put less debt burden on the young. If something doesn't benefit them they're not on board.

#88 | Posted by rcade at 2020-03-25 01:44 PM | Reply

- over the possibility of a few casualties.

The empathy just radiates from this one. He's like Ayn Rand's Superman... modeled after a conscienceless child dismemberer;

"The protagonist of the book that Rand was writing around that time was a boy named Danny Renahan. In her notes for the book, she wrote, "The model for the boy [Renahan] is Hickman." He would be her ideal man, and the archetype for a philosophical movement that could transform a nation.

"He is born with the spirit of Argon and the nature of a medieval feudal lord," Rand wrote in her notes describing Renahan. "Imperious. Impatient. Uncompromising. Untamable. Intolerant. Unadaptable. Passionate. Intensely proud. Superior to the mob ... an extreme extremist.' ... No respect for anything or anyone."

www.commondreams.org

#89 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-25 02:21 PM | Reply

"He is born with the spirit of Argon and the nature of a medieval feudal lord," Rand wrote in her notes describing Renahan. "Imperious. Impatient. Uncompromising. Untamable. Intolerant. Unadaptable. Passionate. Intensely proud. Superior to the mob ... an extreme extremist.' ... No respect for anything or anyone."

^
This is a teenage girl's rape fantasy.
That explains the irresistible appeal to so many men.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 02:33 PM | Reply

"Old people aren't going to sacrifice themselves so that younger people can go back to work sooner."

They aren't?
We even let them have the guns, and they still won't do it?

Maybe we just need a series of instructional videos on YouTube on what's the best way to kill yourself, like we have for hand washing and social distancing.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 02:37 PM | Reply

- This is a teenage girl's rape fantasy.

Basically a description of The Fountainhead.

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-25 02:53 PM | Reply

Capitalism will not outlive this pandemic. It will be changed beyond recognition by the social and demographic changes. Financial market capitalism is the most likely to be totally upended. Private owership of small business will be ok. The Street, and all it's excesses of pay and hubris will be first to go. NY is likely to be an epicenter of this plague. They will be the first to see unimaginable changes overnight.

#93 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-25 03:19 PM | Reply

- an unwinnable attempt to save the old and the sickly
I see that someone has already thrown his hands skyward in terror and trembling and is now offering his grandparents... and a few of his siblings and their children (see: 3 year old dies in LA of cvirus) to appease his desire not to have to miss a paycheck or an NBA basketball game.
Oh, the horror.

#60 | POSTED BY CORKY

It is called "learned helplessness". Conservatives are indoctrinated with it from a young age. As soon as there are hard decisions to me made, or ANY potential discomfort or sacrifice on their part, they throw up their hands and say "its impossible", that it is too big for humans to control so we might as well just let it play out.

As a similar example, see their reaction to Global Warming.

#94 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-25 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Aren't these those Death Panels the GOP were warning us about?? Who knew that it was all just projection.

#74 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Conservatives are all projection. Complaints about how inefficient government is? Look at how "efficiently" they manage (or, really, don't) government when they are in charge. Complaints about nepotism and corruption? They elected the embodiment of it to lead their party and be our President. Complaints about election fraud? The only people I ever hear about being charged with election fraud for doing it intentionally are conservatives (others who get charged are usually due to them not knowing they aren't allowed to vote), and they had to REDO an election in North Carolina due to blatant election fraud on the part of conservatives.

Seriously. If you want to know what immoral/unethical/illegal things conservatives are doing, just look at what they claim liberals are doing. Because they just accuse liberals of doing what conservatives would do in the same situation. And while morals would prevent liberals from doing most of the things conservatives accuse them of, conservatives themselves don't have the same limitations.

#95 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-03-25 04:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"You want every single American over a certain age or with conditions like diabetes and high blood pressure to be sent to internment?"

Why not?

There are those out there who want every single Healthy American to self-quarantine because they otherwise might come in to contact with someone with diabetes or have high blood pressure.

Which alternative do you feel makes the most sense?

#96 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 04:47 PM | Reply

#96

An estimated 60 percent of all Americans have at least one chronic health condition, and 40 percent have more than one. (The figures include the elderly.) Heart disease, cancer, diabetes " all of these can exacerbate a coronavirus infection, studies show, increasing the odds of severe disease and death.

www.nytimes.com

Taking 40-60% of the nation out of circulation isn't just unfeasible and self defeating, it's idiotic.

Just how many of that 40-60% do you think hold vital roles throughout American enterprise?

Which alternative do you feel makes the most sense?

You shutting TFU.

#97 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-25 04:53 PM | Reply

"This is a complete fantasy. Old people aren't going to sacrifice themselves so that younger people can go back to work sooner. Old people don't even vote for tax increases to put less debt burden on the young. If something doesn't benefit them they're not on board."

Maybe.

But I think the greatest generation is mostly dead now.

When this first came up, I was thinking of the scene in Private Ryan, where Tom Hanks character was sending endless waves of young soldiers against an enemy machine gun pit. It's a movie, but we know that happened, and it's hard to imagine that a real Ranger Regiment officer would have preferred to kill many of his own soldiers in order to ensure he stayed alive. I have no doubts there were officers like that, but they would have been in the minority.

The boomers are different though. They grew up with what the greatest generation had given them. Their parents had to make hard choices out of necessity, both in the war and the great depression. And in doing so they shielded their children from having to face similar challenges...not to downplay the role of Vietnam...for those who experienced it.

#98 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 04:53 PM | Reply

#97

Cool.

Then we're all dead.

Unless you know of someone who is going to come in and feed, clothe, and house us all.

Do you?

#99 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 04:55 PM | Reply

The Donald Trump death cult strikes again. You run along and die now Mr. Patrick, see how that works out for you. We don't need you using up oxygen that others could be making use of. Although I'm sure that when Mr. Patrick contracts COVID-45 and can't breethe, he'll be demanding that they put him on a ventilator! Personally, I'd prefer my parents to stick around for a few more years.

#100 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-03-25 04:56 PM | Reply

Then we're all dead.

No, we continue to isolate and hope that the vital sectors of this economy protect those workers who we now depend upon to keep things going until the virus ebbs.

Just what every other nation has done to stop the exponential spread of the virus while protecting as many citizens from contracting it as possible.

If our healthcare systems reach capacity trying to care for COVID patients, then otherwise non-COVID critical care won't be available and anyone needing life-saving critical care will indeed die regardless of their age.

#101 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-25 05:01 PM | Reply

Maybe someone from the Army can speak smartly here, but beyond a certain casualty rate, a unit becomes ineffective...it ceases to have a useful function. And it's not a high number. It's 15-20%, something like that. Once you hit that number, the unit is no longer a useful unit.

Consider what happens to society as a whole when that number, whatever it is, becomes sidelined in an effort to protect a much smaller segment of the population?

You lose the war.

You may win the war against some specific disease, but it's a pyrrhic victory.

#102 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 05:01 PM | Reply

"Private Ryan"

It's more of a Enemy At The Gates thing.
Too many men, not enough rifles... I mean, ventilators, masks, gloves, hospital beds.

Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 05:03 PM | Reply

"No, we continue to isolate and hope that the vital sectors of this economy protect those workers who we now depend upon to keep things going until the virus ebbs."

Hope huh?

I've been a plans guys for a while now. My boss would have fired me had I EVER mentioned hope as a contributing factor for achieving a desired outcome.

Are you going to organize prayer groups? Maybe a few bongo drums? Voodoo???

#104 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 05:04 PM | Reply

"Consider what happens to society as a whole when that number, whatever it is, becomes sidelined in an effort to protect a much smaller segment of the population?"

I'm trying to consider it.
What war is it we're fighting, when we go to our jobs?
Who is the enemy against which we must toil 8 hours a day or risk defeat?

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 05:05 PM | Reply

Alles klar, Herr Kommissar?

Da, Tovarish.

#106 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 05:05 PM | Reply

Germans are the hospitals.
Russians are the sick people, who overrun the Germans by sheer numbers.

Who "wins," again?

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 05:07 PM | Reply

It's simple. For right wingers, money is more important than human lives. Specifically their own money.

#108 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-03-25 05:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's simple. For right wingers, money is more important than human lives. Specifically their own money.

#108 | POSTED BY MODER8 "

Yeah, well at least they demand money for it according to you. You, OTOH, are constantly wishing harm and death on people for free. And why? Because they have the audacity to exercise their first amendment rights and disagree with you.

#109 | Posted by goatman at 2020-03-25 05:12 PM | Reply

"What war is it we're fighting, when we go to our jobs?"

Do you have a job?

"Who is the enemy against which we must toil 8 hours a day or risk defeat?"

You should ask the people who rely on an income for that answer.

Personally...I don't. I get a check regardless of what the ---- I do. But not everyone is in my position.

And as odd as it may seem, all you lefty ----------- could give a ---- about these people...they can stay home and starve, provided the old and the sickly aren't asked to change their behavior.

To be perfectly honest on this Snoof, I thought you would be on my side here. Instead, you're saying that a bunch of elderly white people should not have to alter their behavior, but instead everyone else should have to alter their behavior so the elderly white people don't have to.

You are literally defending Trump supporters in ways that Trump supporters may have never been defended before.

Trump 2020?

#110 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-25 05:13 PM | Reply

"Who is the enemy against which we must toil 8 hours a day or risk defeat?"
You should ask the people who rely on an income for that answer.

^
Isn't that what I just did?

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 05:16 PM | Reply

"Instead, you're saying that a bunch of elderly white people should not have to alter their behavior,"

^
Actually I'm echoing Bill Gates in saying everyone in America should stay home for another month or two.
It's a pretty big alteration in behavior.

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 05:18 PM | Reply

Madbomber is a perfect example of someone cognizant of history but unable to realize the underlying currents upon which it was navigated.

This is an unprecedented time not seen for over 100 years. The world today is far different than it was in 1918, far more interconnected than ever, even if a world war was going on then.

America has always risen to meet whatever challenges its confronted with and it never sacrifices any individual without first trying to do everything possible within reason to save them.

The whole world economy is shutting down because of this pandemic. Commerce is limited to the things directly or tangentially related to sustaining life and health right now. There is no reason for a fully functioning economy because the global markets aren't currently viable as usual.

To me this is common sense. If I were in charge, I would have put our most creative business minds hard at work months ago figuring out a way to hit a global "pause" button so that the unprecedented upheaval this virus created wouldn't destroy otherwise healthy industries and businesses reacting to something wholly out of their control. America has always functioned under the credo of "if you can dream it, you can make it real."

The government should have announced weeks ago that everyone employed would receive their normal pay for as long as isolation is necessary, whatever the cost. And that anyone needing assistance would find it available in some form or another. Then we create or adopt the means for making it so.

Again, what we're talking about is taxpayers protecting THEMSELVES and the businesses that employ them. At the end, the taxpayers will have to foot the bill, so why not preserve what everyone has worked so hard to create instead of letting panic and profiteering undermine our economic foundations?

To me this is common sense, and I allow that others might have better ideas than me, and I welcome any positive input. We don't need to make sisyphean choices. We do what we do in America, innovate, create, protect each other and persevere. We don't leave our most vulnerable behind. Ever.

#113 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-25 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Guess you don't rely on income...
I'll try asking a different way:

Who is the enemy against which those poor miserable whelps who pathetically rely on income must toil 8 hours a day or risk defeat?

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 05:28 PM | Reply

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness Mad. There is a reason that life is first because without it, the other things aren't possible.

It's been decades since all citizens have been asked to sacrifice for the good of all others. Too bad this is such a foreign concept to our youth who've never had to live it until now.

We leave no citizens behind. We circle the wagons and we protect the vulnerable who can't fight for themselves.

This is the essence of America.

#115 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-25 05:33 PM | Reply

"And as odd as it may seem, all you lefty ----------- could give a ---- about these people"

MadBomber,
You're getting hysterical again.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 05:43 PM | Reply

"Maybe a few bongo drums? Voodoo???"

Interesting angle...
Is Obama still President?

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 05:44 PM | Reply

Snoofy wants to meddle in evolution. The herd will be stronger. Super-seeders will survive and Johnny Appleseed the planet with virus-hardened warriors.

#118 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2020-03-25 06:41 PM | Reply

Ah yes, Social Darwinism.
Figured it was only a matter of time.

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-25 07:21 PM | Reply

#118 Logical,check,thought out, check, Totally repugnant and without ethical merit in any way.
Nazi Logic,why win wars against the -------- when we can become them ourselves?

#120 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-25 08:01 PM | Reply

I was figuring I'd see the "all lives matter" crowd on this thread in full force.

I guess they really were just racists who slow stroked it to bodycam footage of cops shooting 15 year olds in the back whilst they were running away.

Who knew??

Well, besides everyone.

#121 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-03-26 02:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Again, what we're talking about is taxpayers protecting THEMSELVES and the businesses that employ them. At the end, the taxpayers will have to foot the bill, so why not preserve what everyone has worked so hard to create instead of letting panic and profiteering undermine our economic foundations?"

In violent agreement...which is why staying home is such a bad idea. Instead, isolate those at high risk of death away from everyone else, along with their required caregivers. That frees the rest up to keep the country running. Statistically, if you're under 30, you have a zero percent chance of dying from this disease. Even above that, the odds are very low unless you have underlying conditions, most of which will have been previously identified.

The "everyone stay home" plan is not a real plan. It's a kneejerk reaction intended to make it look like governments are taking action. I think there would be an enormous amount of backlash if the government proposed isolating the old and the sick, even if it was the best chance at keeping them alive. Once a parent or loved one becomes involved, there are those who would rather see the world fall apart than be separated. At the other end of the spectrum, you have people like my dad, who wouldn't go into isolation even if it was offered.

#122 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-26 08:04 AM | Reply

So-called "conservatives" in this country support a toxic form of individualism that rejects "collectivism" in any form. They reject the concept of a "society" to which they owe any responsibility. Which just goes to show, too much of even a good thing can be bad for you.

#123 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-03-26 04:21 PM | Reply

"I think the generation that stormed the beach at Normandy would be asking how this country became such a bunch of Nancys"

I think they'd be asking why'd they have to die fighting Nazis, when by 2017 we've come to understand "there were good people on both sides."

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-26 05:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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