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Monday, March 30, 2020

As the novel coronavirus continues to disrupt society, displace workers, and destroy the economy, Joe Biden has been struggling to adapt to the impact of the pandemic on the Democratic Party contest. Under ordinary circumstances, his commanding delegate lead would cement his position as the presumptive nominee while likely compelling his remaining rival to bow out of the race and support the former vice president. [snip]

...For a politician whose greatest strength is his ability to connect with voters, which is traditionally done by traveling all around the country, speaking to voters at rallies, and of course shaking hands, Biden has been struggling to keep his campaign afloat during such untraditional and unprecedented times.

His only messages to supporters so far have come in low quality videos from his house in Delaware. This is not the image he seeks to challenge Donald Trump, who for better or worse has dominated news coverage of the pandemic response.

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For those of you who read the headline and see Posted by: JeffJ and are inclined to knee-jerk, this thread is in no way critical of Biden himself.

I encourage those of you who visit this thread to actually click the link and read the article.

It's an interesting analysis of how Dos Equis Virus is adversely affecting Biden's campaign along with how Sanders staying in is harming him as well.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-30 11:09 AM | Reply

Biden is so bad at social media. Makes me really wish someone younger capitalized on their early momentum and were able to emerge as the leader of the moderates.

#2 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-03-30 11:20 AM | Reply

Yawwwnnnn who cares about the corporatist shill Joe Biden?? I don't.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-30 11:26 AM | Reply

Biden is so bad at social media. Makes me really wish someone younger capitalized on their early momentum and were able to emerge as the leader of the moderates.

#2 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Agreed. He's out of his element. He's an old-school politician who is at his best mingling directly with the people. His campaign team is going to need to figure out how to navigate through this because his attempts so far have been lackluster.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-30 11:32 AM | Reply

He needs more "gaffes". Those seem to be good at triggering people.

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-03-30 12:48 PM | Reply

Sentinel,

As it pertains to this thread, his biggest problem may not be the ever-increasing stack of senior moments. This house arrest that we've all been placed under takes away one of his key campaign strengths. Outside of a couple of outbursts where he berates a voter for asking him a question he didn't like, Biden is at his best when he's directly interacting with people. He's always been an affable guy and he's just not the same trying to do short speech podcasts. He doesn't like that venue, he's not comfortable with it and it shows. He needs to be out there slapping backs, cracking jokes, telling stories and smelling hair.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-30 12:52 PM | Reply

He doesn't like that venue, he's not comfortable with it and it shows. He needs to be out there slapping backs, cracking jokes, telling stories and smelling hair.

#6 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I totally get it. It's like professors who thrive in a full classroom full of students versus the current situation of presenting material into a camera without a live in-person audience.

FDR was ahead of his time with those "fireside chats" on radio. So far it seems like Biden can't even reach that level of broadcasting from isolation.

Obama would be crushing this type of isolation media situation.

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-03-30 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden is at his best when...

People remember him as Obama's Vice President.

He was the worst choice from the Democratic primaries and idiots voted for him.

Trump is going to take America through an interesting 4 more years.

At this point, with nothing to lose. We're going to see a whole new Trump.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-30 01:11 PM | Reply

Makes me really wish someone younger capitalized on their early momentum and were able to emerge as the leader of the moderates.
#2 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Older people have more money and power, and they don't want someone younger.
They might get someone like you who was a Trumper four years ago and now tries to "pass" as a sensible person.
They want a decades long proven track record. Only Biden has that. Well, and Sanders, to be fair.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-30 01:12 PM | Reply

Obama would be crushing this type of isolation media situation.

So is Bernie.

Too bad so many idiots have been conditioned to fear and hate their best self interests.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-30 01:13 PM | Reply

Biden is so bad at social media. Makes me really wish someone younger capitalized on their early momentum and were able to emerge as the leader of the moderates.

It's really inexcusable that his handlers, who are almost certainly younger than him, don't have a better grasp on that. You can't fault any old guy for being bad at this, but the people he hires need to be on top of it. Sanders is roughly the same age and doesn't have the same problem.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 01:13 PM | Reply

Seriouslyl, Biden should be doing a science-based rebuttal with qualified professionals adequately distanced from him every single night after Trump's BS conferences. He should be pointing out every single lie Trump told and every single irresponsible claim he made and talking about why that's dangerous for Americans. Why isn't this happening?

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 01:15 PM | Reply

You seem to want Biden to rise to the level of Trump's Tweet game, is that it?
Obama wasn't anything close to that level.
Has the game changed? Maybe it has.

10 facts about Americans and Twitter www.pewresearch.org

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-30 01:22 PM | Reply

Why isn't this happening?

#13 | POSTED BY JOE

That's a very good question. And I agree with you regarding what he should be doing.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-30 01:27 PM | Reply

It's not out of the question that Joe Biden is keeping his powder dry.

We're in the calm before the storm right now.
Most of the people who are on lockdown right now are in Blue States anyway.
It would be a waste of time for Joe Biden to try to win those votes; he already has them.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-30 01:29 PM | Reply

In the future this failure by the Biden campaign could be looked at with the same severity as Hillary's failure to visit Wisconsin in 2016. Allowing Trump to dominate the media spotlight with misinformation during a global crisis is a failure of epic proportions. Major networks would almost assuredly pick up Biden's rebuttal events. The only reason I can think of for him not to be doing this is that he is not mentally capable of getting an advantage out of it. Which means he needs to pack up and GTF out of the way.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 01:30 PM | Reply

#16 People in lockdown aren't the only ones watching, hearing and reading Trump's remarks. For the Democratic frontrunner to allow those remarks go unchecked every single day is a travesty.

#18 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 01:31 PM | Reply

"In the future this failure by the Biden campaign could be looked at with the same severity as Hillary's failure to visit Wisconsin in 2016."

I understand the "look," but I'm not really convinced it's all that valid: ecommons.udayton.edu

That being said, I agree in a more visceral sense it was wrong..
You're running for President, you go to all 57 states. Everybody knows that.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-30 01:34 PM | Reply

#18 I see your point. You're probably right.
Bring me up to speed. Joe Biden is on Twitter several times a day
You want the news shows to do a "Okay, we heard from Trump, now let's hear from the Democratic front-runner," that kind of thing?
Fox News won't do that, so I'm not sure how far that gets you, but it's still a good idea.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-30 01:41 PM | Reply

Currently Trump is on television everyday campaigning.

People are watching that inept fffk and thinking, "he's doing such a good job!"

It's why his approval ratings are in the rise.

People actually believe Trump is concerned for their safety.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-30 01:44 PM | Reply

Joe Biden has been on live tv almost every day doing interviews and commenting on Trump's fecklessness. He'll be on MSNBC in one hour for those interested.

He's doing precisely what he should be doing, NOT trying to look like a back seat driver in a time of crisis. He continually criticizes Trump over specifics while offering Americans encouragement and empathy for the suffering that's going on.

Now is not the time for the usual retail politicking regardless. Americans are focused on literally life and death. Trump is his own worst advertisement as he daily reminds rational people of his own personalization and politicalization of everything that enters his orbit, even when it involves lives outside his own.

There is a reason all primaries have been postponed and that's because our health crisis is more important than the presidential political campaigns even though Trump is in terminal re-election mode. Based on the trajectory of this pandemic, this year's election is likely to be unlike any other in the modern era. So old metrics likely aren't important.

And to be as blunt as possible, does anyone see a single state that went for Clinton in 2016 trending toward Trump? I see Michigan (and its resounding blue wave in 2018) as lost to Trump for his continued sleights toward their popular governor, and both WI and PA polling shows Biden in good stead there. Throw in Florida if their COVID body count explodes due to both Trump's and DeSantis' slow response to the crisis, and Trump has no road to re-election. And we haven't even mentioned GA or AZ, where McSally needs a rocket to cover the distance between her and Mark Kelly.

Biden is bidding his time very well imo. The numbers seem to back that up.

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-30 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#19 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I don't think Joe is speaking to Twitter. I think what Joe wants to see is Biden pick some falsehoods out of each of Trump's press briefings and illustrate why the claims are false. If he can gain momentum doing that he might be able to get Trump's polling numbers to trend downwards.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-30 01:49 PM | Reply

You want the news shows to do a "Okay, we heard from Trump, now let's hear from the Democratic front-runner," that kind of thing?

In a normal election year, for the general election, that's how broadcasting is supposed to work.

You give equal air time to both candidates. That way you're not playing favorites. Of course network can choose to interpret that as they want.

But. This year. Thanks to COVID19, Trump is getting a ton of face time. It's also why wars are good. More press time. Which. Isn't really violating the equal airtime rules.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-30 01:49 PM | Reply

#22 Tony,

So far Biden doesn't seem to be gaining much traction. Who knows? Perhaps with a sustained effort he will be able to gain traction.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-30 01:50 PM | Reply

Biden doesn't need to gain any traction. He isn't Trump. This year that will be more than enough.

As I mentioned, where is Trump getting 270 from? Stop looking at national polls and look at the states. Trump has no road to 270. In addition to states I already noted, there's NC too in play.

Where's Trump's 270 coming from?

#26 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-30 01:57 PM | Reply

Biden doesn't need to gain any traction. He isn't Trump. This year that will be more than enough.

We heard that in 2016. It didn't work. There has to be more.

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 01:58 PM | Reply

"I think what Joe wants to see is Biden pick some falsehoods out of each of Trump's press briefings and illustrate why the claims are false."

That's Dr. Fauci's job.
Coming from Joe, JeffJ will accuse Biden of trying to score political points during a crisis, and the message will be lost, and Trump's message will be amplified.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-30 01:59 PM | Reply

I think what Joe wants to see is Biden pick some falsehoods out of each of Trump's press briefings and illustrate why the claims are false.

Yes. And in addition, present a coherent message and a deference to science rather than reliance on his "gut" which I think many are getting tired of.

More than just benefiting his campaign, it could actually save lives.

There is zero reason not to be doing this other than him being incapable.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 02:00 PM | Reply

Biden doesn't need to gain any traction. He isn't Trump. This year that will be more than enough.

I like your optimism, Tony.

But history has proven optimism alone isn't enough.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-30 02:02 PM | Reply

does anyone see a single state that went for Clinton in 2016 trending toward Trump?

It's not good enough to win Clinton's states. She lost. We need to take back states Trump won.

Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania etc are all way closer than anyone wants them to be.

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 02:03 PM | Reply

"I like your optimism, Tony."

I find it frightening and reckless.

#32 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-03-30 02:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Where's Trump's 270 coming from?

#26 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

It is WAY too early to proclaim the outcome of this election.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-30 02:37 PM | Reply

It's really inexcusable that his handlers, who are almost certainly younger than him, don't have a better grasp on that. You can't fault any old guy for being bad at this, but the people he hires need to be on top of it. Sanders is roughly the same age and doesn't have the same problem.

#12 | POSTED BY JOE

Agreed both on the campaign staffers and Bernie doing a better job.
There are people who currently have careers as social media managers, seems like Biden has some in his staff who aren't doing too great of s job

#34 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-03-30 02:37 PM | Reply

I find it frightening and reckless.

Just like the logarithmic spread of this virus, the Electoral College is all about math. I'm looking at numbers, not simple popularity.

No one has answered me yet, while Joe came the closest. If Trump loses MI, WI, or PA - ANY ONE OF THEM - he has to win a commiserate state that Clinton carried in 2016. Where is that going to happen? To me, MI is long lost and Trump makes it worse by alienating Michiganders and their governor almost daily while Detroit becomes an epicenter of COVID.

Any body see Scranton Joe losing PA especially with the Philly suburbs having moved solidly Dem?

I'm not saying Biden doesn't need to do all that he can to solidify his support, obviously he does. But I'm not fretting in March while Orange Nero fiddles as the US burns to the ground while he touts his daily tv ratings as the body count doubles every few days.

It isn't optimism, it's logic and math. Last chance, what is Trump's path to 270? 'Splain it to me Lucy....

#35 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-30 02:45 PM | Reply

"To me, MI is long lost"

I was wondering:
Did JeffJ vote for That Woman? What's his take on how she's doing?

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-30 02:46 PM | Reply

It is WAY too early to proclaim the outcome of this election.

Then it's equally way too early to gnash teeth over what Biden is or isn't doing every day.

Thank you for negating any seriousness to this thread.

What is Trump's path to 270 without Michigan?

#37 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-30 02:47 PM | Reply

"Just like the logarithmic spread of this virus"
"logarithmic"

Uh oh.
You may have angered JPW.
Set purse shields to Full Frontal.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-30 02:50 PM | Reply

I think what Joe wants to see is Biden pick some falsehoods out of each of Trump's press briefings and illustrate why the claims are false.

That's being done by every network not named Fox of OAN. Biden doesn't need to piggyback what the media is already doing. He makes his case just fine by showing what used to be the norm for presidential stature and gravitas. Empathy comes natural to Uncle Joe and he'll never talk about his own popularity or demean GOP politicians who don't kiss his ring.

We are in the middle of a global crisis, the type of situation that Americans have always rallied around our President over. Bush II - 9/11 - 90% approval; Obama - Ebola/H1N1 - 70+% approval; Bush 1 - Gulf War 1 - 89% approval; Trump - COVID - 50% approval.

Numbers don't lie, and the only reason Trump is at 50% is because many low-info folks haven't yet discovered his culpability for our lack of preparation that allowed the spread to expand more than it should have given early more energetic response from the federal government.

#39 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-30 02:58 PM | Reply

What is Trump's path to 270 without Michigan?

#37 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I reject your premise. You are acting as if Biden has already won Michigan.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-30 02:59 PM | Reply

Then it's equally way too early to gnash teeth over what Biden is or isn't doing every day.

Thank you for negating any seriousness to this thread.

What is Trump's path to 270 without Michigan?

#37 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Doing the numbers now, when the general is lightyears away in terms of how often the political winds can and do change is a fool's errand.

Being critical of how Biden is running his campaign in the here and now is absolutely valid.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-30 03:02 PM | Reply

Biden doesn't need to piggyback what the media is already doing.

If you don't think he can find a coherent message to present about all this that the media isn't already presenting, then you're basically admitting he's worthless as a candidate. Sitting at home hoping Trump ----- up is not a winning campaign strategy.

#42 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 03:10 PM | Reply

What is Trump's path to 270 without Michigan?

Winning WI, PA, OH and AZ.

You know, like he did last time?

#43 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 03:11 PM | Reply

You are acting as if Biden has already won Michigan.

And you are acting like you know what Biden should be doing but isn't.

Welcome to the club.

I'm saying this: Biden is ahead in states that Trump needs in order to win the EC. There is nothing Biden is currently doing that will erode his support in these states just because he isn't screaming at Trump every day of this crisis.

Ergo, the speculation is moot.

#44 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-30 03:13 PM | Reply

Biden is ahead in states that Trump needs in order to win the EC

So was Hillary. Why do you trust polls? Have you not learned that there is a certain segment of voters who are unwilling to admit they are Trump supporters but, when facing the ballot, vote for him anyway? Some of them post here.

#45 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 03:16 PM | Reply

And you are acting like you know what Biden should be doing but isn't.

Actually, I'm not.

He's trying to do what he should be doing he just isn't any good at it. It's not his fault that the CV house arrests take away one of his biggest campaigning strengths.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-30 03:28 PM | Reply

Bernie 2020, policies for everyone that even repubs could love, in a pandemic. Biden Should step down and give it to Bernie. Bernie's the man of the hour or it's four more of trumpulschittskin.

#47 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-30 04:09 PM | Reply

Vote blue no matter who is such a horrible campain slogan. It neglects the all important policy matter. What good does it you when you say "well he isn't Trump". Do you not remember 2016 when Hillary did the exact same thing? How did that go over? Not very well did it. Oh and trying tn piggy back Biden on Obama's presidency is ridiculous. Biden didn't set Obama's policies. He just carried them out that's all. People are trying desperately to cover for Biden's very apparent short comings and it's not working. Sorry not sorry. You hitched your wagons tn the wrong candidate. Mark my words.

#48 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-30 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-30 10:11 PM | Reply

I must say, I'm pretty please with how this thread turned out.

Civil, on-topic discourse with a lot of good and interesting points raised.

It seems like most threads are flame-fests, it's nice to a discussion carried out by rational adults break out.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-31 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sorry for Biden but he is not the right man for the job. Cuomo is the right man for the job and by election day most voters will totally understand that he has the hand-on experience to lead us through this catastrophe. You could not pay me enough money to be President. I don't even know, Cuomo could quite possibly refuse the job and who could blame him?
Is it too late to repeal the 22nd Amendment and bring back No Drama Obama?

#51 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-31 08:46 PM | Reply

Listen here Jack, I'm gonna set you straight. I'll only say this once so listen up, Fat. This virus isn't going anywhere. Let me repeat myself, this virus isn't going anywhere. Back in my day we didn't call it covid whatever; we called it the "Shanghai Shivers". OK, here's the deal, Slick. I used to know a guy, went by the name Cornflake Jackson. Ol' Cornflake used to play guitar down at the pool hall. He caught the Shanghai Shivers one year for fun, because that's just the way things were back then, and let me tell you, if Cornflake Jackson says, "It ain't no thang" you can take that to the bank, Buckaroo. That's how I know you're full of ----. I'd punch your daughter straight in the mouth.

#52 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-04-01 03:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Cuomo is the right man for the job - Danni

That's simply NOT going to happen and it's something your ass needs to get realistic about.

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-01 02:01 PM | Reply

#53 That's what they said about Trump.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-01 02:04 PM | Reply

#54 Except Trump actually won the primary.

Cuomo would have to be installed without garnering a single primary vote.

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-01 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That's simply NOT going to happen ...

We don't know what's going to happen when a 73-year-old runs against a 77-year-old in a pandemic.

The Cuomo idea is far-fetched but so is our current presidential field.

#56 | Posted by rcade at 2020-04-01 03:00 PM | Reply

I think Biden is getting a lot of bad advice in this thread. He can't be a shadow president during a major crisis trying to counter the daily messaging of the president. That would be weird.

Instead, he's using ads and regular appearances in various venues to show the contrast between himself and Trump. And he's on calls with governors and others to help where he can.

Biden's got a big lead over Trump in polls:

www.realclearpolitics.com

That doesn't mean he's a shoo-in but it does mean people shouldn't be panicking.

#57 | Posted by rcade at 2020-04-01 03:13 PM | Reply

Yawwwnnnn who cares about the corporatist shill Joe Biden?? I don't.

Obama did. Maybe he knew something about Joe you don't.

#58 | Posted by rcade at 2020-04-01 03:17 PM | Reply

it does mean people shouldn't be panicking.

#57 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2020-04-01 03:13 PM

LOL, are you new here?

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-04-01 03:25 PM | Reply

Instead, he's using ads and regular appearances in various venues to show the contrast between himself and Trump.

That's true but those venues aren't strengths for him. He's at his best when he's old Joe, the guy you sit down with and have a beer and talk shop (blue collar stuff). That's where he's most relatable.

#60 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-01 04:49 PM | Reply

Biden also is calm, normal, experienced and capable of empathy. He wouldn't be rage-tweeting while pinching off a grogan at 6:30 a.m. or creating drama 24/7.

These traits look pretty good right now.

#61 | Posted by rcade at 2020-04-01 05:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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