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Monday, March 30, 2020

Whole Foods employees are planning to strike on Tuesday to protest the lack of protections offered to workers during the coronavirus pandemic -- the first national collective action led by workers at the company since it was founded in 1980.

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#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-03-30 02:20 PM | Reply

Every suddenly-made-essential employee should be getting hazard pay right now.
Double time at least.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-30 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jeff Bezos will replace them all with robots.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-03-30 02:28 PM | Reply

I sure hope this doesn't hurt Amazon's stock price.
If only they had figured out that groceries-by-drone thing a little earlier!

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-30 02:45 PM | Reply

Oh, woe is me! Wherever shall I find my chia seeds, ghee, and kombucha?

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-03-30 03:05 PM | Reply

Very interesting. Our local grocery store has been understaffed since this lock down was initiated. The result has been long checkout lines and I have yet to see a single customer express dissatisfaction or impatience. People understand.

On the flip side any "essential" business that doesn't take every reasonable step possible to minimize the exposure of their employees deserves what they get.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-30 03:05 PM | Reply

Whole Foods is owned by the richest man on planet earth.

They took away sick leave for part-time employees last year, who must now choose between losing a days pay or coming to work sick.

Capitalism is cancer.

#7 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Joe. Why blame Bezos for Trump's lack of planning? Where is FEMA? how is Amazon supposed to get these ppe and why would they even take them if the hospitals need them?

There are businesses not owned by Bezos. While it's nice for you to cry about Bezos, you may want to think about what we're going to do about the people who can't access food or shipments now that people aren't willing to do the work without protection. Again, this is what government should be doing.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-30 03:43 PM | Reply

-Why blame Bezos for Trump's lack of planning?

Because he has an issue with capitalism, apparently.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2020-03-30 03:52 PM | Reply

Agree about PPE, but stores near me put up plexi-glass shields between cashiers and customers fairly quickly.

Maybe instead of tweeting about security costs for royals, Trump could give safety guidance to retail outlets. Or just do anything a competent leader would do, rather than a malignant narcissist.

#10 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-30 03:53 PM | Reply

Why blame Bezos for Trump's lack of planning?

I don't, and didn't. But if we're going to rely in part on capitalism to be rhe backstop for a pandemic then the least we can do is hold the richest man on earth for putting profits above the health and safety of hos employees and customers.

Even if Trump did everything right it would still be better for people who work and shop at Whole Foods for their employees to have paid sick leave.

#11 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 03:56 PM | Reply

It had been bothering me for a while seeing all these Prime signs everywhere inside but I did not know the store was owned by g__d__ bezos until just a few weeks ago and I've only been back once since then without buying anything. Worker abuse is the amazon trademark. Poor WF started feeling sorry for itself and was going to close 9 stores in 2017 bc lack of sales growth bc competition so instead of re-committing themselves to their original values and culture they sold out to beelzebub and lost their credibility. I hope this strike makes the owner so mad that he sells the company.

#12 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2020-03-30 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... the health and safety of hos employees and customers.

Damn! Bezos has taken over prostitution and is running hookers out of grocery stores?

Well, at least he should change the name to "Ho Foods"... truth in advertising and such.....

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-30 04:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Even if Trump did everything right it would still be better for people who work and shop at Whole Foods for their employees to have paid sick leave.

#6 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-03-30 03:56 PM | FLAG:

We shouldn't rely on a few rich people to do the work of government. It just doesn't make sense. Bezos honestly is getting packages to people and making sure food is available. I agree with Bored that plexi needs to be put up.

PPE should be distributed to every essential worker asap. This is stuff that needed to be started in December.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-30 04:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The key problem is that Trump has been a twitter troll for years, pointing out the short comings of others, combined with nasty nicknames and other zingers. This is his idea of winning. He doesn't take responsibility for anything, so he never has to fix anything, just blame others.

He is the first ---- posting POTUS. His supporters love it. They have plenty of hate to focus on others.

Not much good in a crisis though. Dense Pence might even be better now.

#15 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-30 04:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump Trump Trump.

What are the governors doing about these businesses?

What are the mayors doing about these businesses?

Let them strike and we'll see 'who' takes action.

I'm guessing closed food store and starving people will provide an answer.

#16 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-03-30 04:45 PM | Reply

#16 Trump is the one messing this up. he is responsible. give up on shielding him.

#17 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-30 05:55 PM | Reply

"Jeff Bezos will replace them all with robots."

oh, I'm sure we'll see an even more intense move to automation/technology when this crisis is over. The risk of having people will be greater in addition to the hard cost of them.

Companies will be looking for ways to address their financial risk to another pandemic.....and without question, the lower reliance on people at your business will be a way to reduce that exposure.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2020-03-30 06:00 PM | Reply

Trump is the one messing this up. he is responsible. give up on shielding him.

OCTD at its finest.

Go wash your hands a few hundred times while chanting "Orange Man Bad."

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-30 06:18 PM | Reply

It should be Hoe Foods NOT Ho Foods. Ho Foods makes it sound Asian. Just sayin.

#20 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-30 07:29 PM | Reply

Eb wanted to ask you. I don't think you do life but you probably know people who do are they getting close to window jumping yet? I can't imagine the actuaries built in a pandemic.

On to the topic of the thread:

Instacart workers did this today so I guess we will see if it helps them. I have also heard some Amazon distribution facilities did it.

I know many "essential" stores around here are doing a hazard pay increase for their employees. Some have added sick time. A lot of small mom and pops can't do that and quite a few will not be around after this clears up at the rate things are going. The guy who owns my wife's company has 4 stores and it's a pretty safe bet at least 1 won't re-open. Folks like that you can't blame for not paying hazard pay, they probably would if they could, but Bezos doesn't have that excuse.

#21 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-03-30 08:06 PM | Reply

few hundred times while chanting "Orange Man Bad."

#19 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2020-03-30 06:18 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Orange man murderer.

#22 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-30 08:18 PM | Reply

#22

That's a little harsh.

-VP Joe Biden

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-30 08:22 PM | Reply

That's a little true.

#24 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-30 09:39 PM | Reply

"I can't imagine the actuaries built in a pandemic."

Did anyone?
This is where the Welfare State really has a chance to shine!
Naturally, our President Donald J. TRUMP, who stared directly into a solar eclipse, is wearing a welder's mask for this one.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-30 09:51 PM | Reply

Bezos honestly is getting packages to people and making sure food is available.

Why do you worship billionaires?

He'a the richest man on the planet. Yes, our government should be mandating paid sick leave in the first place. But in the meantime, i'm going to call out people who don't do right by their employees.

#26 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-30 10:57 PM | Reply

Call up the National Guard to stock shelves.

#27 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-03-31 12:29 PM | Reply

Capitalism is cancer.

IMO, it's cancer without a side of socialism keeping it in line.

But I get your point.......it will squash the weak when it sees fit.

#28 | Posted by brass30 at 2020-03-31 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't, and didn't. But if we're going to rely in part on capitalism to be rhe backstop for a pandemic then the least we can do is hold the richest man on earth for putting profits above the health and safety of hos employees and customers."

Yeah dude.

Under socialism, some soldiers would show up in the middle of the night and drag them down to the grocery store.

Under socialism, they wouldn't be given the choice whether or not to work. Try and keep up.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-31 01:08 PM | Reply

#29 Your incessant desire to exaggerate a simple plea for paid sick leave in the richest nation on earth is constant proof that you have no coherent argument to make against it.

My ------- tiny co-op grocery store gives paid sick leave to its employees. Why can't Whole Foods do it? And why shouldn't they be compelled to do so in light of the fact that their policy encourages people to show up sick and spread a deadly virus?

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-31 01:10 PM | Reply

"But in the meantime, i'm going to call out people who don't do right by their employees."

Call them out for what?

These individuals could arguably working in an environment that's at least as dangerous as the oil fields, and the rig hands are still (or were) making far more than the grocery store workers will.

I don't see why the company would give them paid leave to stay at home, but if they do stay home it will inevitably drive up the pay rates for grocery workers. And the more people stay home, the more the wages go up.

Thanks capitalism!

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-31 01:12 PM | Reply

"But in the meantime, i'm going to call out people who don't do right by their employees."
Call them out for what?

Are you really this illiterate?

#32 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-31 01:14 PM | Reply

I don't see why the company would give them paid leave to stay at home

You don't see the value to fellow employees and customers to encourage people who might have Coronavirus not to come to work and spread the virus tot heir colleagues and customers?

Health and medicine are not purely transactional matters.

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-31 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Your incessant desire to exaggerate a simple plea for paid sick leave in the richest nation on earth is constant proof that you have no coherent argument to make against it."

If you were even making the attempt to pay attention, you'd know that socialism and sick leave have nothing to do with each other.

Under socialism, you do what your apparatchik masters tell you to do-even if it's going to leave when your sick.

Especially at the end of the month...when you have to meet the monthly quotas.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-31 01:15 PM | Reply

"You don't see the value to fellow employees and customers to encourage people who might have Coronavirus not to come to work and spread the virus tot heir colleagues and customers?"

So...I thought this was about sick leave. Not a measure to preclude the spread of COVID. It's not stay home to prevent getting sick leave. Especially if you consider we may be running from this thing for a very long time. 18 months, according to Snoofy.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-31 01:18 PM | Reply

"Under socialism, you do what your apparatchik masters tell you to do-even if it's going to leave when your sick."

Spoken like a good Foxbot.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-31 01:26 PM | Reply

And you as well, Komrade.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-31 01:34 PM | Reply

Why do you worship billionaires?

#26 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-03-30 10:57 PM | FLAG:

I don't. Never have. This is Bernie Bro ------------ material you post to fap fap fap on. Kindly eff off.

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-31 02:49 PM | Reply

LIAR You worshiped Bloomberg Bruce.

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-31 03:45 PM | Reply

Bloomberg is still better than a former Soviet with a terrible history in the US senate.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-31 03:55 PM | Reply

I expect modern advanced countries will mandate people with a fever stay away from workplaces where employees are close together.

It will be part of smart pandemic policies.

That will include testing and paid sick leave.

America is too proud of its ignorance to prepare for the next pandemic though.

#41 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-31 04:32 PM | Reply

"America is too proud of its ignorance to prepare for the next pandemic though."

We prepare where it counts.
A million or so American households have a Pandemic Flu Preparedness Kit somewhere at home, provided by the Department of Defense to the families of active duty military personnel.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-31 04:34 PM | Reply

LIAR You worshiped Bloomberg Bruce.
#39 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2020-03-31 03:45 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Nope. That's just something cute you Bernie Bros liked to smear me with.

Funny thing for you to say when you support Trump.

It's a weird political time.

#43 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-31 06:44 PM | Reply

#43

Bloomberg has already accomplished more for the world than Bernie ever will.

#83 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-03-09 10:01 PM

#44 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-31 07:03 PM | Reply

So...I thought this was about sick leave. Not a measure to preclude the spread of COVID

They're the same thing at this moment in time, you absolute dunce.

#45 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-31 07:53 PM | Reply

If you work at Whole Foods, barely manage to scrape by, and have a bit of a cough and a headache, and have no paid sick leave. Do you show up for your shift?

At least some of those people will say "yes." And that means their colleagues and customers are now at risk for what might be Coronavirus.

Does this really need to be explained to someone who claims to be as worldly as you?

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2020-03-31 07:54 PM | Reply

FTA:

In recent weeks, Whole Foods"a subsidiary of Amazon" has increased hourly pay for its workers by $2 an hour, offered to provide two weeks of paid sick leave to workers who test positive for Covid-19, and said it would not penalize workers for calling out sick.

This is problematic for all workers. The economy has slowed down big time and it has repercussions across multiple industries. I feel bad for grocery store workers. It's obviously an essential business during this pandemic and thus needs employees in order to function.

A friend who lives across the street is a cop - he has to go to work. My longest lifelong friend is a nurse and he's clearly dealing with the highest level of risk.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-31 08:05 PM | Reply

>says "---- capitalism"
>has a whole foods amazon post prime account
wew lad

#48 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-04-01 03:36 AM | Reply

Whole Foods"a subsidiary of Amazon" has increased hourly pay for its workers by $2 an hour, offered to provide two weeks of paid sick leave to workers who test positive for Covid-19, and said it would not penalize workers for calling out sick.

Requiring a positive COVID-19 test as a condition for paid sick leave is ludicrous, especially in light of how difficult it is to find a test.

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-01 07:26 AM | Reply

"If you work at Whole Foods, barely manage to scrape by, and have a bit of a cough and a headache, and have no paid sick leave. Do you show up for your shift?"

Do you show up to your shift if you're not showing any symptoms at all?

You don't seem to get the difference between not showing up because you're sick and not showing up because you might be, even though you're not showing any symptoms.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-01 09:02 AM | Reply

Not really following your argument anymore. Let's cut to the chase.

Do you believe that paid sick leave encourages sick people to stay home? Yes or no.

Do you believe that a lack of paid sick leave leads to sick people coming to work? Yes or no.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-01 09:49 AM | Reply

#44 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2020-03-31 07:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

See? I walk the walk.

#52 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-01 10:07 AM | Reply

"Do you believe that paid sick leave encourages sick people to stay home? Yes or no." - #51 Joe

I honestly believe it encourages people to play "hookie". I am in a position to see how much abuse there is in my own company's leave policies. It is absolutely appalling, and the younger they are the worse the abuse. Our worst offenders are in their 20's, call out "sick" to have long weekends and then come in a different week with an actual fever and have to be sent home off the line.

#53 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 10:09 AM | Reply

#53 and in the case of a person actually experiencing symptoms. Does paid sick leave encourage them to stay home. Yes or no.

#54 | Posted by joe at 2020-04-01 10:15 AM | Reply

"I honestly believe it encourages people to play "hookie". I am in a position to see how much abuse there is in my own company's leave policies."

Possibly true but my experience after 50 years in the workforce is that the abuse is much more common among management, salaried employees than among hourly people living paycheck to paycheck.

#55 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-01 10:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Do you believe that paid sick leave encourages sick people to stay home? Yes or no."

Yes. With sick leave, there is no moral hazard associated with staying home. It doesn't cost you anything.

"Do you believe that a lack of paid sick leave leads to sick people coming to work? Yes or no."

Probably, but that's why you have managers. To send them home if it appears they are going to be more of a liability than an asset.

#56 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-01 11:01 AM | Reply

"Possibly true but my experience after 50 years in the workforce is that the abuse is much more common among management, salaried employees than among hourly people living paycheck to paycheck."

You're so full of ----.

#57 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-01 11:01 AM | Reply

#56 You think all sick people show visible symptoms? How do you see a sore throat? Does your manager tell you to stick out your tongue and say "ahh" every morning?

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-01 11:07 AM | Reply

#55 | POSTED BY DANNI

Maybe it is because our hourly employees make a lot that they abuse the system. If they are paycheck to paycheck it is certainly because they are buying toys. We have no abuse in management, it is extremely rare for a manager or salaried employee to miss a day unless they have had a medical procedure and even then we require FMLA/STD. The production employees pay scale has them making more than me after they have been here 6 months, and I have been here over 10 years. At one year on the job they are topped out on the scale but the full plant gets a raise once a year. So Danni, maybe we pay them too much and they dont need all their hours?

#59 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 11:08 AM | Reply

#58 | POSTED BY JOE

If it is just a sore throat in most situations they can use cough drops and work at their normal pace. Allergies tend to make people have small symptoms like that which do not mean they are contagious or need to stay home. You are being a total nag. Do most people go to the Dr with just a sore throat? If they want to call in sick and be paid for that then you bet I am going to require it. And the Dr needs to provide more than a note saying they were there, it must say that they were unable to perform their duties due to sickness or contagion. It is no wonder you want Bernie to be your daddy.

#60 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 11:12 AM | Reply

...maybe we pay them too much and they dont need all their hours?

That's our issue. The senior guys have enough disposable cash that going to work is optional.

#61 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-04-01 11:19 AM | Reply

#61 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Here that would get you terminated unless you had FMLA/STD. We have a strict attendance policy (which includes management) due to the abuse that a paid sick leave policy once created. Danni and Joe would prefer that people abuse their employer and work doesnt get done.

#62 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 11:20 AM | Reply

It's very difficult for us to terminate anyone for that. Impossible now with the virus thing since we're telling anyone who feels sick to stay home.

#63 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-04-01 11:23 AM | Reply

If it is just a sore throat

It was an example, idiot. You can't "see" a fever or a headache either, and in the age of Coronavirus i don't want to be anywhere near someone with those symptoms and neither do colleagues or customers.

#64 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-01 11:31 AM | Reply

You can see a fever with an infrared thermometer.

#65 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-01 11:33 AM | Reply

Yeah, lots of employers have those on hand.

#66 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-01 11:37 AM | Reply

#64 | POSTED BY JOE

Joe is looking for a Daddy in the POTUS and calls me an idiot. Your hysteria is funny.

A fever can be proven, and I work consistently with a headache. Unless the employee has a history of migraine and documentation from their Dr they better show up. What kind of child are you? You must be under 30 because you are ringing all the bells of the attendance abusers here at work. Toughen up buttercup, the world is not going to spoil you like your parents obviously did.

#67 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 11:41 AM | Reply

Hahaha. Look at this cranky boomer making all kinds of ad hominem and false assumptions. Stay mad.

#68 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-01 11:49 AM | Reply

#68 | POSTED BY JOE

40 is hardly a boomer and clearly you are the one that is mad here calling names. I speak from experience and you speak like someone that wants things handed to people that haven't earned it. Remain blind, it only hurts yourself.

#69 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 11:54 AM | Reply

you are the one that is mad here calling names.

Says the person who calls me a "child," "must be under 30," "buttercup," "your parents spoiled you," and keeps accusing me of "wanting a daddy."

I can't imagine being as uptight as you at 40 (2 years from now). You are why people hate their menial jobs.

#70 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-01 12:04 PM | Reply

#70 | POSTED BY JOE

Ok Joe, sure thing.

#71 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 12:06 PM | Reply

"I can't imagine being as uptight as you at 40 (2 years from now). You are why people hate their menial jobs."

Dude, you're the definition of uptight and Cranky.

Like a 38 year old Bernie Sanders.

#72 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-01 12:15 PM | Reply

Oh, woe is me! Wherever shall I find my chia seeds, ghee, and kombucha?

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG

I came to this thread to watch morons mocking people for eating healthy without realizing they're bragging about their own ignorance and stupidity.

I wasn't disappointed.

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-01 12:30 PM | Reply

What century are living in? Infrared thermometers are pretty common.

#74 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-01 12:35 PM | Reply

Ghee is butter. Is better healthy now?

I feel like I've been waiting for this moment.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-01 12:39 PM | Reply

Joe and Justa...,

It's pretty ironic that you're having a debate about whether US workers would take advantage of paid sick days at this particular moment in time.

Millions of Americans who've worked faithfully for their entire lives are suddenly finding themselves unemployed through no fault of their own. If experience is indeed the best teacher, once we get beyond this crisis I think our cultural view of the employer/worker dynamic (along with views on the government's safety net programs for the unemployed) will be more liberally changed than anyone imagines right now.

Here is the evidence: Americans Put Pride Aside Seek Aid, Many for the First Time

#76 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-01 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The sick-out did not pan out the way the twitter group wanted and the company said all stores were going as usual. The demand that a store must close if one worker tests positive was extremist IMO. Also it looks like I'll not get my wish for bezos to go away, but I just don't want to buy my food from the world's richest man.

#77 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2020-04-01 01:23 PM | Reply

#76 | POSTED BY TONYROMA - My place of employment is going above and beyond during this time and nobody is going to be fired for needing the time off. We are allowing employees to even change their work shift to better suit the needs of their family schedule while the kids are home, so they can continue to work the hours they need. My point in this has been that when there is no crisis, us allowing employees to take paid sick days resulted in a lot of 'I just dont feel like going in today' therefore we dont do it anymore. They get a set number of PTO hours they accumulate per pay period to use for anything but must do their best to schedule in advance. In the case of an unplanned illness employees can work with our Health team to avoid absenteeism. We also have the option to "purchase" up to another 40 hours of PTO by paycheck deductions through out the year but must choose to do so during open enrollment. I could take up to 270 hours off paid this year alone, not counting what I carried over from last year. Purchased PTO is paid back to you at the end of the year if you do not use it. We absolutely value our hard working employees, but there are definitely bad apples in every bunch that will ruin things for everyone.

#78 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 01:43 PM | Reply

"Danni and Joe would prefer that people abuse their employer and work doesnt get done."

I've worked for the same company for over 20 years and can pretty much come and go as I please. I rarely if ever take a sick day. Say whatever you want about my politics but I'll put my work ethic up against anyones. My kids are exactly the same way. As were my parents and my parents' parents.

#79 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-01 01:53 PM | Reply

I'm glad I don't work for your company JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO. I don't want sick people coming to work and spreading illness....especially Coronavirus.

#80 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-01 01:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

We absolutely value our hard working employees, but there are definitely bad apples in every bunch that will ruin things for everyone.

#78 | Posted by justagirl_idaho

Any place that doesn't give sick days because they dont trust their employees is not a good place to work.

My brother's company doesnt give sick days because the owner never gets sick and says sickness is all in your mind.

#81 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-01 02:08 PM | Reply

#78

Holy crap your policies are almost as bad as when I worked for TWC. Calling out sick without a doctors note resulted in an occurrence so if you had a fever you had to either show up to the cubical farm to infect a couple dozen co-workers or drop half a day's pay in medical co-pays. If you had a chronic condition you could get FMLA and be exempt from that but when I tried my Neuro took a week to return the paperwork, he was supposed to get it done in 3 days. I looked into applying again only to be told that he would have to resubmit it. Seeing as he is one of the top rated neuro's in the country and it takes about a year to schedule an appointment with him I didn't bother as a week was a fast turn around.

Companies a so worried about abuse they make it impossible to use at all.

My current job has 3 days sick pay that can be used with no notice 1 week vacation that has to be 2 weeks notice and one week flex where if you can give notice it is preferred but if you need it for sick time with no notice that is ok as well. We also are off this week paid despite being an "essential" service. Funny thing my boss texted last night asking if I could help out with some no-contact work and I said no problem. Guess what the odds would have been of me saying yes at a company that treated me like TWC?

I've worked a lot of jobs that talked about loyalty and being part of a "family" but very few of the jobs was that attitude a two way street.

#82 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-04-01 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My brother's company doesnt give sick days because the owner never gets sick and says sickness is all in your mind.

Your brother works for Ray?!

#83 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-04-01 02:23 PM | Reply

#82 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

I honestly dont think our policies are that bad and there is a lot of leniency that occurs when you dont play the sick card once a month. Large manufacturing facilities like this cannot survive with people consistently calling in to work. We need a set number of employees here each day or some products dont get made. I dont want to give away what I do because I never want to mix my personal life on here with somehow representing the company but we are essential for government contracts and our product must make it out the door in a timely manner. Allowing people to come and go as they please interferes with our ability to do that.

#84 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 02:46 PM | Reply

#82 I messed up our breakdown, it changed this year so forgive me.

It's 2 weeks vacation that need 2 weeks notice. 3 days sick no notice required and 3 days flex where notice is preferred but if you need them as sick that is fine too. So a total of 3 weeks and 1 day. I've used a total of 1 flex day, 1/2 day to take my son to the hospital and 1/2 day to close on a house. If Vegas opens by July I'll use one week for my 25th anniversary. He also announced that for this year if you get corona or if you are uncomfortable working and want to isolate for any reason, you can convert vacation (requires notice) to sick with no penalty. So if I get corona I have 2 weeks if I don't then I'll probably waste some of it since I don't take time off usually. Last year I wasted 2 days. He doesn't roll them over since we get holidays on top of that, it means we get over a month paid a year, so I'm kind of ok with not rolling them over as he's pretty generous.

#85 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-04-01 02:47 PM | Reply

#82 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

I also want to say that if you have a fever and are afraid you will get an occurrence here you are welcome to go to Health services prior to your shift time and get excused without repercussion. It would be rare that it would be required and that is only if you are a habitual offender. We literally had people on a shift where they work 3 days one week and 4 the next, but would call out sick for the fourth day every other week. That is not sick...

#86 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 02:50 PM | Reply

He doesn't roll them over since we get holidays on top of that, it means we get over a month paid a year, so I'm kind of ok with not rolling them over as he's pretty generous.

#85 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

With the PTO I bought (I like the payment right before xmas so dont normally use it), will accumulate this year, and what I rolled over from last year, I could easily take more than 2 months off paid right now. We are honestly not enforcing the attendance policy at all during this virus and time missed is being coded special so that it can be tracked by corporate. Also, I forgot to mention that if employees have not had any occurrences in a 6 month time frame they are given two call out days where they dont have to provide notice to use PTO. They can have 4 of those in the bank at any time.

#87 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 02:58 PM | Reply

#84

You sure made it sound like it was that bad prior to #84. I actually get and empathize with an employer who maybe is very strict when you start but then eases up once you have a history of good attendance.

We have almost no turnover at our company so pretty much everyone one is a long timer. In the past 4 years we have only lost 3 employees one quit prior to being fired, not an attendance issue a work ethic issue, and honestly he should have been fired 6 months prior to that but my boss kept giving chances. One not really sure he was only there 3 months and I don't work in the office so I didn't really get to know him. I do know he was hired for the impossible job of inventory (you would have to know the chaos that our warehouse is to understand how impossible that job is) and the third was a part time waitress at a 5 star restaurant, and hot, so she realized she could make a ton more working there full time. I actually knew an older lady who worked at the same restaurant and made around 50k a year so with her being young and just stupid hot I'm betting she would have passed that. Although I wonder if she is regretting that choice now.

Point being my boss can be somewhat flexible in time off policies because there aren't really any unknowns working for us.

#88 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-04-01 02:58 PM | Reply

Tao you don't seem dumb.
Why do you work in these Bottom Tier Of The Economy jobs?

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-01 03:18 PM | Reply

#89

Lots of reasons. I dropped out of college when my wife got pregnant so no degree most places won't take you seriously without one. I can't do a desk job I've tried I get board way to quickly. I don't take well to stupid managers, stress is a MS trigger so I need a low stress job to do well, and finally I've never been particularly money motivated.

Despite all that I currently make more than the median household income, I am on the road all day doing different things all the time so I don't get bored, my boss is in the office so even when he pisses me off I don't have to deal with him and virtually no job related stress. Also my job is nearly automation and recession proof and there are so few people doing it even if something were to happen I could make a living independently or find another job in a matter of hours.

Basically I'm happy and make more than I need to live so it's all good.

#90 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-04-01 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I honestly dont think our policies are that bad

You live in a bubble.

In places that aren't hell on earth (i.e. retail and the like), adults are generally treated like adults.

#91 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-01 04:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We tried that Joe, maybe you dont like it because you were not capable of showing up. I'm 100% done with this thread. I see your hysteria on this blog all the time and usually just try to ignore you. I will go back to that now.

#92 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2020-04-01 05:31 PM | Reply

I honestly believe it encourages people to play "hookie".
#53 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

I have no doubt. Who here who likes to get trashed hasn't used a sick day to sleep off a hangover.

But you need to put that cost in perspective!

Is the cost of playing hookie is an acceptable price to pay, to flatten the curve?

Ultimately, Idaho, it comes down to this:

Does man exist to serve the economy, or does the economy exist to serve man?

Not clear which side you're on.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-01 05:46 PM | Reply

Basically I'm happy and make more than I need to live so it's all good.
#90 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

That's great, but you don't come across as "happy" about the way your job is forcing your immunocompromised butt out in public.

I'm not saying you'd be happier with $450 a week for staying home like me, but I gotta wonder if the extra money you're making is worth the risk to you and yours.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-01 05:50 PM | Reply

#94

Well that was a week ago. Since then we stopped taking homeowner calls and we closed for a week. Also most builders now have rules either no more than 1 trade on the job at a time or no more than 5 people in a house at a time. They are enforcing it pretty strongly because construction got a waiver as an essential business, but that was under the theory that there are not a lot of people on a job site at once so 6 ft can be maintained. That was crap and everyone in the trades knew it, but the builders know if they get caught then the exemption for the whole industry will go poof. So after this week ends I will be working on either a construction site with at most 4 other people in the house. Or I'll be driving around doing site surveys alone in my truck.

That has calmed my fears pretty well. A week off with pay made me pretty happy too.

Also unlike a huge number of Americans I'm not worried about job security. As long as my company doesn't go bankrupt I have a job, if they do I get unemployment for most of my missed pay. That will carry me until season starts where I will have the choice of just working as an independent or getting another job either way I won't miss any meals so yeah low stress which is better for MS :)

I will admit when we weren't closing, were still seeing homeowners, and job sites could have a dozen people easily I was not happy with the risk factor. That has all been mitigated now because despite being a low end job and the owner being a Trumper he isn't completely brain dead and does actually value us. So once he realized the issues he took action he was just slow to the party.

#95 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-04-01 09:57 PM | Reply

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