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Tuesday, March 31, 2020

Dutch scientists were able to find the coronavirus in a city's wastewater before Covid-19 cases were reported, demonstrating a novel early warning system for the pneumonia-causing disease. ...

They detected genetic material from the coronavirus at a wastewater treatment plant in Amersfoort on March 5, before any cases had been reported in the city, located about 50 kilometers (32 miles) southeast of Amsterdam.



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Truly a frightening turn of events.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-31 11:25 AM | Reply


Why is the early warning capability a frightening turn?

I think it would be helpful, very helpful, to get the earliest warning possible were the coronavirus show up.

If this testing pans out to be accurate, I suspect it may be ~packaged~ and become part of some routine testing at treatment plants.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-03-31 12:24 PM | Reply


Go easy on Danni, things like this are difficult for her to understand.

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-31 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I agree oh, this is extremely alarming in that SARSCOV2 which becomes covid-19 can live in water, and it appears to be capable of remaining airborne for a lengthy time. They also believe it remains on objects for over 2 weeks now. No human has ever experienced this variation on SARS, we have absolutely no defense against it. 80% might have minor symptoms, but 20% will experience difficulties requiring hospitalization, and another 20% of that will need automated respiration.

If it's alive in the water weeks or months prior to any human contamination this thing will remain in the water possibly forever.

Those of us o negative and who have survived the initial oscillation should consider donating plasma for the antibodies. Centers should be set up immediately for this before reinfection takes out more medical practitioners.

#4 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-03-31 05:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#4 ... can live in water...

To be more precise, it appears it can live in stool that happens to be floating in water. It has been known since the China Wuhan days that the virus lives in (and is possibly spread by) stool.

I've not seen any evidence that it can live in pure water. I'm not saying it cannot, I am just syaing I haven't seen evidence that it cna.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-03-31 09:06 PM | Reply

@#4 ... They also believe it remains on objects for over 2 weeks now. ...

The virus' RNA was found on uncleaned cruise ship surfaces after 17 days. But could you catch the virus from that RNA?

How long does coronavirus live on different surfaces?

...Does the cruise ship report imply that viruses survive up to 17 days on surfaces?

Dr Julia Marcus: A CDC investigation of the cruise ship found evidence of viral RNA in cabins that hadn't yet been cleaned. But to be clear, that just means the virus was detectable " not that it was viable or that contact with those services would have been able to infect someone. (Editor's note: RNA, or ribonucleic acid, carries the virus's genetic information.)

Dr Akiko Iwasaki: It just means that there are parts of the virus that still remain. The virus needs many other components to be intact. If you have bits and pieces of RNA, that's not going to make a virus, you need an entire intact genome. Just because you had a little piece of RNA doesn't mean that there's an infection....

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-03-31 09:13 PM | Reply

But could you catch the virus from that RNA?


RNA by itself isn't contagious as it has no way of getting into a host cell without the protein and lipid components. It's also not protected.

One caveat to remember in these studies is that if they depend on detection of nucleic acid they're likely using a test called quantitative real time PCR (qRT-PCR) that measures quantity by amplifying a very very small piece of the target (called an amplicon) that's usually only about 150 base pairs in length.

Coronavirus genomes are about 30 kilobases (30,000 bases) in length.

So any fragment containing that 150 base pairs will be detected while uninfectious because it's an incomplete genome.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-01 01:18 AM | Reply

#5 #6 #7

Excellent data guys. I feel these posts are more informative than anything coming from the White House.

#8 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-04-01 01:32 AM | Reply

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