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Tuesday, March 31, 2020

If former Vice President Joe Biden secures the Democratic presidential nomination, 15% of Sen. Bernie Sanders' supporters will vote for President Donald Trump's reelection, according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll.

If accurate, that would represent a slightly larger defection than occurred after the bitter battle between Sanders and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2016, when 12% of Sanders voters broke for Trump in the general election.

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This. Cannot. Happen.

#1 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-03-31 01:22 PM | Reply

Pretty damned disgusting.

Pique over country.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2020-03-31 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bernie just needs to make it clear that the free stuff he wants to give out won't be limited to one time payments. They'll be a permanent part of the economy.

#3 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-31 01:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Since we're all going to die in the Corona Virus Pandemic it may not matter but damn, if we somehow survive, I am going to make like hell for any Bernie Bros who I find out vote for Trump. Promise.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-31 01:58 PM | Reply

That's what the kremlin wants you to think.

#5 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-03-31 03:36 PM | Reply

"That's what the kremlin wants you to think."

Oh, interesting.

Putin was KGB, and has lamented the end of the Soviet Union. Bernie is a Soviet Fanboi.

You think maybe they made a connection?

Maybe they're both conspiring to bring the USSR back.

#6 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-31 03:53 PM | Reply

"Putin was KGB, and has lamented the end of the Soviet Union. Bernie is a Soviet Fanboi."

That's horse manure and you know it, so I should probably just refer to it as a lie.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2020-03-31 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- Bernie is a Soviet Fanboi.

This is Your Brain on Ayn Rand.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2020-03-31 04:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bernie is a Soviet Fanboi.

He and his wife spent their honeymoon in the USSR.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-31 04:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Putin was KGB, and has lamented the end of the Soviet Union.

Forgetting Bernie for a moment, what about this is incorrect Danni?

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-03-31 04:57 PM | Reply

What a crock of BS. They really must feel desperate to take Bernie down during this pandemic which is demonstrating his policies as superior.

This is probably a Biden tactic.

#11 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-03-31 05:24 PM | Reply

"He and his wife spent their honeymoon in the USSR."

Red Square is lovely this time of year!

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-31 05:43 PM | Reply

"What a crock of BS. They really must feel desperate to take Bernie down during this pandemic which is demonstrating his policies as superior."

Listening to POTUS today, Bernie recently had an interview where he was making the claim that the US healthcare system was at the heart of the COVID problem in the US. Which was strange given that the systems he was wanting to emulate were also struggling with the problem.

Call him a socialist, fascist, communist...whatever. Bernie is out of his element. Like Donnie.

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-31 05:47 PM | Reply

"Bernie is out of his element. Like Donnie"

Who isn't?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-31 05:50 PM | Reply

Shut the ---- up Bernie, you're out of your element.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-03-31 05:50 PM | Reply

"I am the virus."

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-31 06:00 PM | Reply

I am the walrus. LMFAO

#17 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-31 06:03 PM | Reply

Did Biden get his brain transplant yet?

#18 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-03-31 06:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I just want to point out to all those who didn't support Clinton in 2016, your choice is a literal matter of life and death right now.

#19 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-03-31 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Cool. Four more years.

Now to watch it unfold. The next debate is Friday? We should see the Kamikaze mission unfolding then. From what I see, the Bernie Bros have had this plan all along.

Bernie or bust. So bust we must.

#20 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-03-31 06:42 PM | Reply

I am the walrus. LMFAO

#17 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Never laugh at your own jokes. When you see someone do that, it means 'I dont know if this is funny enough for you to laugh at".

It's the first sign of flop sweat.

#21 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2020-03-31 08:09 PM | Reply

Bernie has given up. He got another house or his own jet or whatever.

Now he will shut up and let the DNC do what it does.

#22 | Posted by sawdust at 2020-03-31 08:16 PM | Reply

Jeff lies again. The Sanders spent time in the Soviet Union shortly after their wedding to develop a sister city when he was a mayor which many other mayors did as well.

www.snopes.com

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-31 08:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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the only people who mention that aren't voting for Sanders anyway. It doesn't hurt him.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2020-03-31 08:34 PM | Reply

Hey TruthHurts if the Democratic party really wanted to win they wouldn't foist garbage at us like they do. Sorry not sorry Biden's not getting my vote.

#25 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-31 08:58 PM | Reply

At this point who gives a rip about Sanders?

He has no path to the nomination and lacks the intestinal fortitude to really go after Biden hard enough to give himself a chance.

He lost because he deserves to lose.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-31 09:13 PM | Reply

#13 Biden can't remember where he is half the time and rambles like an Alzheimer's patient but he's got being pres. covered. Right. Bernie's not perfect but he's better than the others running.
What great american do you support,young man?
Your terror of Anything sochulist make you seem like a very old man. Geez.

#27 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-31 10:29 PM | Reply

Jeff spends a lot of time deciding what fates strangers deserve.

The 10 commandments have nothing to do with his scoring method.

#28 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2020-03-31 10:35 PM | Reply

The poll represents their opinion now, with Sen Sanders still fighting Mr Biden.

The poll does not represent November when those very same Sanders supporters may be presented with a different scenario.

A scenario in which Sen Sanders has told them they should support Mr Biden, and their choice is Mr Biden or Pres Trump.


#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-03-31 10:38 PM | Reply

Did Biden get his brain transplant yet?
#18 | POSTED BY GREATAMERICAN

You better pray to your almighty Trump that he didn't.

#30 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-03-31 11:46 PM | Reply

Listening to POTUS today, Bernie recently had an interview where he was making the claim that the US healthcare system was at the heart of the COVID problem in the US. Which was strange given that the systems he was wanting to emulate were also struggling with the problem.
#13 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I'm what you'd call "data-driven."
Let's circle back to this and do a body count when the dust settles.
Sounds good?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-01 12:00 AM | Reply

That means 85% of Bernie supporters will vote for Biden which means Orange Adolf is ------!

#32 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-04-01 02:06 AM | Reply

The majority of these are likely young people who feel their future is closed off from them because of the world into which they were born, and want to see it all burn one way or another.

ACCELERATE!

#33 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-04-01 04:02 AM | Reply

>dangle the prospect of a utopian communist revolution in the form of bernie in front of a bunch of people who've never amounted to anything in life
>make him capitulate (happening again soon) and tell them "no refunds!"

lol, and you are surprised they get mad?

#34 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-04-01 04:08 AM | Reply

i.imgur.com

#35 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-04-01 04:12 AM | Reply

just earlier I heard a segment on NPR about lowering the voting age to 16. NPR, of course, tacitly supports this (they can't come out and say it directly) because young people who have been run through the gauntlet of leftist indoctrination from the time they enter public education will skew toward democrats in their voting patterns. The problem is, these cheeldreen are entirely too idealistic; they think they can upend the global apple-cart because of how they feel! Who gave them that idea?

#36 | Posted by berserkone at 2020-04-01 04:20 AM | Reply

"NPR, of course, tacitly supports this (they can't come out and say it directly) because young people who have been run through the gauntlet of leftist indoctrination from the time they enter public education will skew toward democrats in their voting patterns."

I don't know. I grew up in Portland. I had some pretty radical ideas back then, and some pretty radical friends. In the early-mid 1990s, there were still a lot of people in that city who identified as communists. And it all made perfect sense to me...until I took my first economics class.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-01 06:56 AM | Reply

"He and his wife spent their honeymoon in the USSR."

And you are actually dumb enough to think you made a point with that comment, even your kids are laughing at you.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-01 08:55 AM | Reply

">dangle the prospect of a utopian communist revolution in the form of bernie in front of a bunch of people who've never amounted to anything in life"

OK Brainiac, who do you think is going to pay all the expenses from this Coronavirus Pandemic?

I'll wait for your answer that I know will never come because the world just doesn't care about your idiotic ideological beliefs.

You need to realize, though you are incapable, of understanding that virtually everything you believe has been put in your brain by corporations who can't stand the thought that America might do the same things as every other successful free nation in the world. Enjoy your stupidity, it's probably going to bite you in the ass within the next several weeks.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-01 08:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And it all made perfect sense to me...until I took my first economics class."

OK, why didn't you learn anything? Explain, from your brilliant economic educational perspective, who is going to pay for the healthcare expenses incurred during this Pandemic? Your answer....much like mine....government....in other words dumb ass.....Socialism.

Your ideological nonsense doesn't hold water. It's done. No one is listening to nonsense like you spout any more because it's life and death. Go try to sell your idiotic ideology on Wall St.

I honestly hate it that a Pandemic is what proves what I have been telling you for so long but it does.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-01 09:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I have to wonder if this 15% never were for Bernie at all? Maybe they were Trumpites from the start, giving lip-service to Sanders in hopes of making him Trump's opponent in the Fall?

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2020-04-01 09:04 AM | Reply

That means 85% of Bernie supporters will vote for Biden which means Orange Adolf is ------!

Not necessarily. There's still the third party, "Mr. Potatohead" voters to account for.

#42 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-04-01 09:17 AM | Reply

So 5 out of 6 Bernie supporters will vote Biden, but "Bernie bros" are as already getting blamed for Bidens loss.
Dumb, but expected.

#43 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-04-01 09:29 AM | Reply

He and his wife spent their honeymoon in the USSR

My friend spent his honeymoon in Curacao. Does that mean he wants the US to be owned by the Netherlands?

#44 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-01 09:46 AM | Reply

If centrist Democrats legitimately believe that 15% of Sanders voters are going to vote for Trump, it kind of cuts against their "Biden is the most electable" argument.

#45 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-01 09:51 AM | Reply

"OK, why didn't you learn anything? Explain, from your brilliant economic educational perspective, who is going to pay for the healthcare expenses incurred during this Pandemic? Your answer....much like mine....government....in other words dumb ass.....Socialism."

You're such a cute old person.

It's never too late to go to college Danni, although you've said before you don't need non that larnin'

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-01 12:21 PM | Reply

"If centrist Democrats legitimately believe that 15% of Sanders voters are going to vote for Trump, it kind of cuts against their "Biden is the most electable" argument."

I don't think so.

What possible candidate would be more electable? Certainly not Bernie.

Not saying that there's not a better choice out there...but that better choice has yet to be identified.

#47 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-01 12:23 PM | Reply

#46 I've noticed a pattern of condescending, bullschitt from you when you have no reply on point. Answer her questions,don't belittle her age.
You got nothing. That's why you go to ad hominim.
I'm asking too. Who's going to pay the social and economic cost? They already gave big business and the banks a trillion dollar bailout. Socialism at work. Why not just nationalize the banks and shut down the financial markets?, they create nothing useful anyway. Can you give a good response?

Or are you just going to call me old too?

#48 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-01 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm asking too. Who's going to pay the social and economic cost? They already gave big business and the banks a trillion dollar bailout. Socialism at work. Why not just nationalize the banks and shut down the financial markets?, they create nothing useful anyway. Can you give a good response?"

Can I give a good response?

I don't even think this is a serious question.

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-01 12:54 PM | Reply

I think you may be a conservative who is throwing out over the top proposals in an attempt to make progressives look bad.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-01 12:55 PM | Reply

I'm asking you,WHY THESE PROPOSALS ARE SO OVER THE TOP THAT YOU STILL WON'T ANSWER?
You got nothing but unproven dogma. Answer the questions being asked. Can you? Or is your whole worldview,"faith based". Why are trillion dollar bailouts necessary if the system is working well?
Are these bailouts Socialist? If not,why?
Can you tell me or are you going to keep evading, simple questions? Huh.

#51 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-01 01:12 PM | Reply

The sad thing about Bernie supporters is most of them don't even vote.

#52 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-04-01 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#52 are you a sock puppet for madbomber?

#53 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-01 01:57 PM | Reply

#51

The answer you're looking for would normally emerge after taking Macro, Micro, Finance, and accounting. I don't know that you have the educational background to get it.

But I'll try and sum it up. Given the fractional banking system, nationalization would result in a bank run where only the first 10% of withdrawers or sellers would recover their money. The remaining 90% would lose their investments, or see them slowly trickle in as loans matured. At the same time, new investment would be gone out of fear the loss in value would be greater than if they just buried the money in the back yard.

And all shutting down the financial markets would do is ensure that whoever owns shares in the present is unable to trade or sell them. It wouldn't directly affect the value of those shares, even though the value would probably be next to nothing if the governments did nationalize the banks.

Go back and see what happened in Venezuela under Hugo Chavez. That should give you some idea of what would happen if the government nationalized the banks. But VZ didn't shut down the financial markets. The government only sought to control them. Bad...but probably not as bad as shutting them down.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-01 02:22 PM | Reply

A trillion dollars is a lot of cash. They could have bought out the banks outright with that and just nationalized them for all Americans to use and borrow from. Instead they gave that money to KNOWN criminals who are never charged with anything;In the Hope that they would do the "right thing" by the people whose money bailed them out.
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FAT CHANCE OF THAT!! It's all just crony capitalism and corruption masquerading as policy

The congress approved these bailouts by voice vote so that no one could be accountable
For their vote later when the ------ hits the fan,
WHICH IT WILL!

#55 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-01 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The whole system is built on debt. Make the major players whole and start over at zero debt. The bank runs would be solved by slowly allowing people to access the principal of their money until they got it all. The gov can print money after all. Isn't that all QE, IS?

#56 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-01 02:31 PM | Reply

If financial markets are so great? Why do they constantly need to be propped up by QE? If printing fiat currentcy is so bad? Why do the markets seem to need "stimulating" with fiat currentcy so often to keep from collapsing outright. Obviously things don't always work as presented in books.

#57 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-01 02:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Isn't QE just another way of controlling the markets too. Without low interest rates and constant infusions of free cash the market would have imploded long age. How is that money any less real than say giving the same money to everyone as a stipend. It's equally unearned handout money only to corrupt corporations and banks instead of every american. I want my $5,000 in bailout money. Why do the banks deserve it more than regular people?

If the free market is so sacred, why do banks and other industries get so many bailouts? If they fail,they fail. No picking winners and losers. No too big to fail corporations. Just the free market at work. The reason they don't do that is because "free markets" are a fiction. They don't really exist anywhere. The closest thing is probably drug cartels and they enforce their market share with MURDER. Kind of like "economic sanctions" if you think about it.

#58 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-01 03:00 PM | Reply

"Isn't QE just another way of controlling the markets too"

That's sort of like saying the center divider controls traffic on the highway.
It definitely helps when things go wrong, but I wouldn't quite say it controls the markets.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-01 03:07 PM | Reply

More like gas in the cars tanks than traffic dividers. And that definitely does control the traffic. No gas no traffic. Try again please.

#60 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-01 03:19 PM | Reply

"No gas no traffic."

THE SPICE MUST FLOW

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-01 03:20 PM | Reply

Meaning?

#62 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-01 03:31 PM | Reply

Figure it out.

While you're at it,
Figure out what this quote means:
Capitalism is a government program
--George F. Will

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-01 03:34 PM | Reply

Capitalism could never exist at all except on a very primitive level without strong central government. Duh. What does,the spice must flow mean?

#64 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-01 03:40 PM | Reply

What possible candidate would be more electable? Certainly not Bernie.

Will more than 15% of Biden supporters jump ship if Bernie is the nominee?

#65 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-02 11:45 AM | Reply

Unfortunately,probably yes,the venom against Bernie is far worse coming from the centrist Dems than what the bros are saying. At least on the websites I have seen.

#66 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-02 12:02 PM | Reply

What does,the spice must flow mean?

#64 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

"The spice must flow."

From Dune.

Without the "spice" no interstellar travel.

Without gas no interstate travel.

Same same.

A liberal education and familiarization with literature helps you get and keep a grip on reality. Also helps with memes.

#67 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-02 12:28 PM | Reply

#67 I don't consider bad sci fi to be "literature" dude, Cut the condescending BS, I asked a reasonable question, just because I don't share your taste in pulp fiction doesn't mean I'm stupid or illiterate. Do You know who Silvius Leopold Weiss was? If you don't, are you lacking in basic education?

#68 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-02 01:31 PM | Reply

Eon...The Spice must flow.

www.bing.com

I'm pretty sure I have this on 12" somewhere

#69 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-02 04:07 PM | Reply

"If financial markets are so great? Why do they constantly need to be propped up by QE?"

The US has chosen to adopt a monetarist policy, where the government attempts to normalize the business cycle. Basically, the intent is to limit the delta between high and low. That's OK...I guess. The alternative would be like what you saw in Argentina in the 90s and 2000s, where you had periods of massive growth and massive recession. I'm not saying one is better than the other. They're just different. And each has it's advantages.

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-02 04:10 PM | Reply

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