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Tuesday, March 31, 2020

The captain of an American aircraft carrier deployed to the Pacific Ocean has pleaded with the Pentagon for more help as a coronavirus outbreak aboard his ship continues to spread ... Military officials say dozens of sailors have been infected.

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Capt. Brett E. Crozier of the carrier, the Theodore Roosevelt, laid out the dire situation unfolding aboard the warship, with more than 4,000 crew members, and what he said were the Navy's failures to provide him with the proper resources to combat the virus by moving sailors off the vessel.

"We are not at war," Captain Crozier wrote. "Sailors do not need to die. If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset " our sailors."

The carrier is currently docked in Guam.

The plea highlights a central dilemma facing the military: Top officials, who have spent years placing readiness to fight the next war as a top priority, are now finding that maintaining that readiness during a pandemic can endanger the health, and even the lives, of service members. At the same time that Americans are being told to stay at home and practice "social distancing" in public, many service members are instead being told to continue doing their jobs.

Wonder if the War College (or anyone within the Pentagon in general) ever gamed out a scenario like they're experiencing today? Are the possible viral deaths of crew members just another type of acceptable loss?

Based on this Captain's letter, he certainly doesn't know of any contingency plans for this pandemic. I guess someone should ask our resident stable genius what should be done. I'm sure he knows greatly about what to do, just watch.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-03-31 03:10 PM | Reply

An outbreak on a Navy warship " and an ominous sign of a readiness crisis

The outbreak on the Coronado is just one of perhaps dozens of small and large unit-level outbreaks, the sum total of which could herald the beginning of a readiness crisis across the U.S. military. The rate of infection among the military is outpacing the U.S. civilian population. And with experts saying the virus could be with us for more than a year until a vaccine can be developed and deployed, the military is gearing up for a long war the likes of which it hasn't dealt with since at least the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic.

www.navytimes.com

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-03-31 03:22 PM | Reply

Return to base, they aren't doing anything useful anyways.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2020-03-31 04:03 PM | Reply

Standing armies are a curse on any civilized society.
Mothball the damn things. Why must we always be looking for trouble everywhere? Constant war is peace.
Ask George Orwell.

#4 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-03-31 05:30 PM | Reply

Has the captain tried being more appreciative?

#5 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-03-31 05:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

Dotard needs some more advice from A-Rod before making a decision.

#6 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-03-31 05:53 PM | Reply

This may become an interesting study in statistics. What percentage of the population will it really kill?

#7 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-03-31 09:46 PM | Reply

Did the crew vote mostly for dump?

#8 | Posted by contrecoup at 2020-03-31 09:52 PM | Reply

Trump's April miracle will arrive tomorrow. No need to worry.

#9 | Posted by anton at 2020-03-31 09:57 PM | Reply

I'm surprised the headline used the word plead. Should have been begging, crying and screaming, and stomping his feet.

#10 | Posted by Petrous at 2020-03-31 10:00 PM | Reply

@#7 ... What percentage of the population will it really kill? ...

That we do not yet know the answer to that question is the reason why we must act strongly against it.

One of my fears with COVID-19 is a fear I had back with SARS...

That the preventive measures we enact will reduce the devastating effects of the virus, and there will be loud voices saying we over-reacted because it was not as bad as it could have been.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-03-31 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lamp,

I think this one is being taken extremely seriously. My bet is if the numbers end up below projections that most people will conclude it was due to the unprecedented measures taken to try and slow and limit its spread.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-31 10:15 PM | Reply

@#12 ... My bet is if the numbers end up below projections that most people will conclude it was due to the unprecedented measures taken to try and slow and limit its spread. ...

You mean the people who are taking videos of the quiet outside New York City hospitals and using that video to spread conspiracy theories??

Coronavirus deniers take aim at hospitals as pandemic grows
www.nbcnews.com

...On Saturday, a video taken outside the Brooklyn Hospital Center in New York went viral, showing a quiet scene in an attempt to counter the idea that the coronavirus pandemic has strained some hospitals.

The video, taken by former Fox News commentator Todd Starnes, jump-started a conspiracy theory that resulted in a trending hashtag and millions of video views " all of which pushed the idea that the pandemic has been overblown by public health organizations and the media....

Starnes' tweet " viewed 1.3 million times " was one of the first and most popular examples of the wider conspiracy theory that spread on social media over the weekend centered on the #FilmYourHospital hashtag, which called for people to go to hospitals and capture what was happening....


What those videos do not show is that NYC is in lockdown.

Look at Times Square: www.earthcam.com

If is all but barren.

Times Square.

NYC is in lockdown.


#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-03-31 10:24 PM | Reply

@#12 ... My bet is if the numbers end up below projections that most people will conclude it was due to the unprecedented measures taken to try and slow and limit its spread. ...

A different answer to the same comment...

Your comment appears to presume some manner of sanity and rationale to those who propagate conspiracy theories.

I have yet to see such characteristics in the "deniers."

#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-03-31 10:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#13

I just looked at that webcam.

I saw one person walking and one person jogging.

Typically there are dozens, if not hundreds.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-03-31 10:31 PM | Reply

#13. I'm well aware of that and the guy who NBC was reporting on offered his side of it. As far as I can tell NBC didn't reach out to him for comments. There is a thread going about that very story on the DR and I posted a link to his response.

Also, conspiracy nuts will always be out there. For the most part people seem to really be complying with this social distancing thing. People who think this is a BS conspiracy wouldn't do that.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-31 10:33 PM | Reply

Lamp,

Don't worry about the nutjobs. The overwhelming majority of Americans are willingly complying with unprecedented measures being taken. In a country as free as ours that is pretty amazing.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-03-31 10:35 PM | Reply

"The overwhelming majority of Americans are willingly complying with unprecedented measures being taken."

Good job, most of America!

Fill in the blanks:
A chain is only as strong as its _______ ____.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-31 10:42 PM | Reply

Boaz link.

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-03-31 10:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"My bet is if the numbers end up below projections that most people will conclude it was due to the unprecedented measures taken to try and slow and limit its spread."

There's no other conclusion to be drawn, barring the supernatural, so... I hope you're right!

Nothing we're doing here in America is unprecedented, as in, a new thing we Americans thought up and shared with the world.
Other countries are doing what we're doing in terms of social distancing.
Some have taken far more drastic measures.

We should bear that in mind as we consider those projections, and whether we fall short or exceed them.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-31 10:54 PM | Reply

Trump's April miracle will arrive tomorrow. No need to worry.
#9 | POSTED BY ANTON

He said April.
April 2022 is April.

Libs Lose Again!

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-31 11:00 PM | Reply

It's damned near impossible to keep a virus from spreading on a Navy ship. I was one of a few thousand on a ship that got sick from a norovirus outbreak that someone brought aboard from Hawaii. There's no way to quarantine that many. Watches have to be stood. Some berthings hold 250 people. Heads are all shared.

#22 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-03-31 11:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sounds gay.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-03-31 11:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#17 ... Don't worry about the nutjobs. ...

I do worry about a part of Pres Trump's base.

They are, imo, why we are subject to the current occupant of the Oval Office.

I tried to warn everyone during the summer of 2016 about the nut-job that was candidate Trump because I was subject to him for decades in NYC media. Donald Trump calling into Page Six reporters of NY Post. Don't get me started...

But did anyone listen? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....

I worry about the nutjobs because they may be the margin that Pres Trump needs to win the Electoral College.

fwiw, my guessimate of Pres Trump winning re-election is at 65%. It dropped from 70% because of his abysmal early reaction to the virus. But it currently is at 65% with an upward bias.



#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-03-31 11:07 PM | Reply

@#23 ... Sounds gay. ...

I doubt you are serious.

What #22 describes is what is essential to protect the Country. Nothing more, nothing less.

That is why I said a few days ago when i first heard of the virus on an aircraft carrier that it would not be good.

On an aircraft carrier, in a foxhole --- comfort and private space is not the priority.

Military effectiveness is the goal.

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-03-31 11:12 PM | Reply

@#16 ... the guy who NBC was reporting on offered his side of it. As far as I can tell NBC didn't reach out to him for comments. ...

NBC did reach out but the person did not reply initially. Eventually he did.

When he did... the person's comment is in the the article I cited. In case you have difficulties clicking...

...Starnes did not initially respond to requests for comment from NBC News. But after this story was published, Starnes said in an email that he has taken the coronavirus outbreak very seriously and not disputed its spread. He said the intention of his video was to "push back against the media narrative that NYC had been turned into some sort of dystopian society."...

That looks to me like an ~after the fact~ rationalization for bad behavior.


#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-03-31 11:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26

To me it looks like a rush to publish with a single sentence response added after the initial piece was published.

I linked the formal response on the appropriate thread. Maybe consider reading what the "nut job" had to say about this in his own words....

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-01 12:17 AM | Reply

Just lost my reply *again* due to the site bug of a typo resulting in the body of a comment being lost.

RCade, please fix this problem.

Please.

#28 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-04-01 12:54 AM | Reply

@#27 ... To me it looks like a rush to publish with a single sentence response added after the initial piece was published. ...

It was not a rush to publish. They asked him for a reply, and he did not respond, so they published without his reply.

If he were actually trying to report on the situation, don't you think he might be a bit more responsive than his ignoring of requests to substantiate what he had done?

Then, after the article was published he responded with what sounds a lot like an after the fact apologetic rationalization.

He made some pretty serious claims.

To channel Carl Sagan - serious claims require serous evidence.

He did not provide serious evidence.

Which makes me wonder why you are spending so much effort to defend his actions.....


#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-04-01 01:04 AM | Reply

The captain needs to ask his chiefs what to do.

#30 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2020-04-01 02:40 AM | Reply

The Commander in Chief might want to help these kids out.

#31 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-01 09:52 AM | Reply

What percentage of the population will it really kill?

#7 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Just did the numbers. It varies from day to day according to sample size and the accuracy of the data. Which I believe is poor. According to CNN current numbers, the worldwide mortality rate is 4.99%. In the U.S. it is 2.08%.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-01 10:57 AM | Reply

An aircraft carrier cannot be shut down, even when it's parked dockside. Some systems have be kept running and maintained 24/7. It could happen the carrier will be called upon to help fight WW3, you know.

#33 | Posted by john47 at 2020-04-01 12:28 PM | Reply

"We are not at war," Captain Crozier wrote. "Sailors do not need to die.

They know what they signed up for.

~ Demented Donnie ~

#34 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-04-01 12:55 PM | Reply

Hey, they knew what they signed up for.

Amirite???

www.bloomberg.com

FTA:

Asked whether the carrier should be evacuated, Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Tuesday evening that "I don't think we are at that point."

#35 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-01 09:00 PM | Reply

"It could happen the carrier will be called upon to help fight WW3, you know."

You don't even realize how funny you are.
Take care of the sailors. How can anyone disagree with that?

And don't expect the tiny population of Guam to deal with all of this.

Our Navy has the capacity to handle it, they need to make it the number one priority.

If they need to all get aboard and head back to the U.S. then get busy, do it now.

To me, this seems like another episode of "I don't want to admit there is a problem so I will just do nothing until the "so called problem" becomes totally unmanageable.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-02 07:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

WTF:

The Navy announced it has relieved the captain who sounded the alarm about an outbreak of COVID-19 aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt.

Capt. Brett Crozier, who commands the Roosevelt, an aircraft carrier with a crew of nearly 5,000, was be relieved of his command on Thursday, but keep his rank and remain in the Navy.

The move was announced in a briefing by Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly Thursday evening. The official reason for Crozier's relief of duty is a loss of trust and confidence, according to the officials who spoke to NBC News.

NBC News

#37 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-04-02 05:46 PM | Reply

"The Navy announced it has relieved the captain who sounded the alarm about an outbreak of COVID-19 aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt.

This has to be Fake News.
Does anyone really believe the Chinese Navy has a ship named after Teddy Roosevelt?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-02 05:50 PM | Reply

Outrageous situation. How could the military really be so unprepared?

#39 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-04-02 06:02 PM | Reply

The Millennial Military should have cut back on $5 Starbucks and useless Pokemon cards.
They they wouldn't be in this mess.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-02 06:10 PM | Reply

Capt. Brett Crozier, who commands the Roosevelt, an aircraft carrier with a crew of nearly 5,000, was relieved of his command on Thursday, but he will keep his rank and remain in the Navy.

That figures.

#41 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-04-02 06:24 PM | Reply

Fired!

Gracie was asking why people didn't speak up in another thread. It's so comical I could die.

#42 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-02 06:51 PM | Reply

This ain't right.

#43 | Posted by fresno500 at 2020-04-02 06:54 PM | Reply

I wonder how many sailors this firing will kill? More than Hillary could in her wildest dreams. Winning!

#44 | Posted by bored at 2020-04-02 07:04 PM | Reply

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