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Saturday, April 04, 2020

Feeling that their Captain had sacrificed his career to save their lives the crew of the Teddy Roosevelt gave him a hero's send off.

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Phek Fat Orange Hitler with a (hyperbole alert) rusty tire iron.

#1 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2020-04-04 01:01 PM | Reply

So much for social distancing. Better get that vaccine done soon.

#2 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-04-04 01:35 PM | Reply

Telling the truth is a fireable offense in the Trump administration. And nobody seems to care.

#3 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-04 01:38 PM | Reply

Is Trump going to kick all of those sailors out of the Navy now?

#4 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-04-04 01:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

*kick, not kill.

#5 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-04-04 01:56 PM | Reply

Hopefully President Biden makes him an Admiral. Great leaders own all that happens under them both good and bad they don't make excuses the buck stops with them, and above all they protect their most valuable resource, their people.

#6 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-04-04 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Simply put, he violated the chain of command and also publicized the readiness condition of a military vessel. My be popular, with his crew, but leadership is not about a popularity contest.

#7 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-04-04 02:04 PM | Reply

If the captain violated the chain of command he did so in order to save his Sailors who were dying.

In the near future his actions will be studied by Cadets across the world.

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2020-04-04 02:11 PM | Reply

#7 I wonder how bad things had to be for a US aircraft carrier to decide to flush his career. He must have known what he was doing.

#9 | Posted by bored at 2020-04-04 02:14 PM | Reply

Looks like Jared will have another assignment come Monday.

In the Dotard-lead military having a guy with no military service (and maybe unable to swim) serving as commander of thousands of sailors and airmen on a multi-billion dollar projection of US military might makes as much sense as any of the other gajillion crazy-ass decisions the Orange Julius has made this far.

How long to Election Day?

#10 | Posted by catdog at 2020-04-04 02:22 PM | Reply

To compare: Eddie Gallagher was on TV talking poorly about his NSW chain of command and junior sailors during court marshal discovery and proceedings.

Also, it was publicly known in the press that the Carrier was already docked at Guam.

#11 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-04-04 02:26 PM | Reply

He must have known what he was doing.

#9 | POSTED BY BORED

What wasn't pictured was the wheelbarrow in front of him as he walked off the gangway

#12 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-04-04 02:28 PM | Reply

Trump confused Navy Carrier with Carrier Corporation.

#13 | Posted by LesWit at 2020-04-04 03:11 PM | Reply

He must have known what he was doing.

#9 | POSTED BY BORED

He most certainly weight the consequences of his actions against inaction and found inaction worse.

I'm guessing it's that level of respect and care for his crew that made him that popular to begin with.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-04 03:15 PM | Reply

Telling the truth is a fireable offense in the Trump administration. And nobody seems to care.
#3 | Posted by JOE

We've seen that demonstrated almost daily since this circus started. The Captain certainly knew what he was doing when he sent out that memo. He put the welfare of his crew ahead of his own career. When IMPOTUS is finally gone he should get a medal. But I suspect the reaction of his crew meant more to him than any medal anybody could give him.

#15 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2020-04-04 03:23 PM | Reply

leadership is not about a popularity contest.

#7 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-04-04 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

This isn't what Trump thinks.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2020-04-04 03:24 PM | Reply

...but leadership is not about a popularity contest.
#7 | POSTED BY MSGT AT 2020-04-04 02:04 PM | REPLY

Leadership is about doing the right thing, despite the consequences. Do you think Captain Crozier did the right thing? I'm not talking about "military procedure", I'm talking the right thing morally.

#17 | Posted by bartimus at 2020-04-04 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Is Trump going to kick all of those sailors out of the Navy now?

#4 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2

He'll find a way to punish them. Of course he will. If he can't punish the sailors individually, he'll find a way to hurt the entire crew.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2020-04-04 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

leadership is not about a popularity contest.

#7 | Posted by MSgt

Precious coming from a trump supporter. Too dumb to even see the irony I'm sure.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-04 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Crozier killed Peri.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-04 04:00 PM | Reply

Simply put, he violated the chain of command and also publicized the readiness condition of a military vessel. My be popular, with his crew, but leadership is not about a popularity contest.

#7 | Posted by MSgt

Captian Crozier exemplifies actual LEADERSHIP. You really should learn what leadership is. What he does not exemplify is chain-of-command automaton yes men - i.e. Command in the Navy apparently. I have so many classes on leadership and read so many books it is nauseating because of work. My executive team claims to want leaders but actually doesn't get what that means. They want yes men and women like the military.

I mean really WTF are you supposed to do when your superiors are NOT doing their DUTY?

#21 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-04-04 04:40 PM | Reply

#14 JPW

Precisely, this about respect and acting in a sane and logical manner. Command structure be damned when a nuclear warcraft carrier is crippled. The world already knows this infection is global, no military displays preparedness thus far.

#22 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-04-04 04:48 PM | Reply

#21

I wish my dad were still alive so I could talk to him about this. As a former USN captain I'm sure his views would be enlightening.

I do know that taking care of the crew was always important to him, but he had a lot of respect for chain of command. Then again as a graduate of USNA who's former roommate is/was a rear-admiral and also his brother-in-law, he had ways of bypassing the chain of command that wouldn't get him in trouble. A carrier captain I would have thought would have made the contacts to do something similar.

#23 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2020-04-04 04:50 PM | Reply

I mean really WTF are you supposed to do when your superiors are NOT doing their DUTY?

#21 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2020-04-04 04:40 PM | FLAG: How do you know that superiors are not doing their duty. Could it be that decisions were maybe being made as this commander overstepped his authotity? Not everything can be instant gratification which apparently you want to see/believe in.

#24 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-04-04 05:41 PM | Reply

do you know that superiors are not doing their duty. Could it be that decisions were maybe being made as this commander overstepped his authotity? Not everything can be instant gratification which apparently you want to see/believe in.

#24 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-04-04 05:41 PM | Reply | Flag: Aggressivly Stoooopid

Moron, have we not already seen demonstrated by the Drumpf Regime that dithering and delay costs lives? This virus is aggressive and spreads like wildfire at the best of times, how the hell do you quarantine and social distance on a naval vessel? He obviously sent it up the chain of command, and when they didn't act quickly enough, he went public. If this was a situation where his pilots were fired on by hostile aircraft, say Iran, and he asked for direction, do you think it would take any time at all for him to get a response? Since when did the military become so incapable of making a quick command decision? Oh, when Hair Furor became POTUS because everyone around him is "acting." Everybody in the military got the lesson of the Gallagher debacle and are now afraid to make a command decision that could hurt Dear Leader's little fee-fees, so they would leave that boat at sea ravaged by the virus and full of dead sailors rather than make an independent command decision.

#25 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-04-04 06:19 PM | Reply

#25 | POSTED BY _GUNSLINGER_ AT 2020-04-04 06:19 PM | FLAG: Having served 21 years[Air Force], I apparently see things, from a differently perspective. [...]

#26 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-04-04 06:24 PM | Reply

#24 | Posted by MSgt

Because he is a career man. A captain in charge of one of our Air Craft Carriers. Not some wet behind the ears fresh out of the school and on the boat recruit. By definition he knows what the chain of command is. He has patience. Call it a hunch a man like that doesn't do things like he did lightly. And besides, we are talking about the military under Trump. Didn't we already see the Navy do other downright stupid things during this outbreak? Why yes we did see the Nave do stupid things already.

And there are quotes like this:

But a Navy official familiar with the situation but not authorized to speak publicly about it said that the captain had repeatedly asked his superiors for speedy action to evacuate the ship. His letter, the official said, came because the Navy was still minimizing the risk.

Wonder where they got the idea of minimizing the risk from?

And there was the incident that started it all when it comes to the Navy screwing up in regard to the coronavirus outbreak...

Pacific command has been known to have issues for years now. Especially at the officer level. This is a guy who gets it. He was canned supposedly because of his letter to his superiors.

#27 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-04-04 06:31 PM | Reply

The epitome of respect.

#28 | Posted by fresno500 at 2020-04-04 07:28 PM | Reply

#26 | Posted by MSgt

yes you are.

Thats the syndrome where you keep worshipping and defending the moron who was telling the country 4 weeks ago that corona virus was nothing to worry about, and gave the congressional medal of freedom to another con man who said it's just a common cold.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-04 08:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

How do you know that superiors are not doing their duty. Could it be that decisions were maybe being made as this commander overstepped his authotity? Not everything can be instant gratification which apparently you want to see/believe in.

#24 | POSTED BY MSGT

Based on your military experience how would you respond to a virus aboard a ship that you command after you have made multiple attempts to obtain direction from your chain of command and have received no response when you know it spreads asympomatically so isolating those showing symtoms is not sufficient action in your part? In addition you know that that it results on hospitalization of about 20% of the people it infects and that about 30% of those hospitalized are in the age range of those who serve under you.

#30 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-04-05 02:18 AM | Reply

He'll be properly reinstated when the current Turd in Chief gets the boot.

#31 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2020-04-05 05:03 AM | Reply

Bryan Behar @bryanbehar

Jared Kushner still has his job. Stephen Miller still has his job. Ben Carson and Rick Perry still work for the administration.

But Trump fires a naval commander for trying to save his crew from the Coronavirus.

That's all you need to know about Trump as a human.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-04-05 09:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31 | POSTED BY CRISISSTILLS

Would be an easy candidate for SecNav depending on how the CAPT handles the next 12 months.

#33 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-04-05 01:18 PM | Reply

Fired USS Teddy Roosevelt CO - Brett Crozier has tested positive for Coronavirus.

#34 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-04-05 02:08 PM | Reply

FYI: Every branch of the military has an IG office so that if one has a valid reason to circumvent the chain of command, that is the way to do so. Nowhere have I read that the officer attempted to go to them. Still remains that there are regulations adhere to which apparently he chose not not do. Retirement in the near future for him, no doubt.

#35 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-04-05 06:32 PM | Reply

He'll be properly reinstated when the current Turd in Chief gets the boot.

#31 | POSTED BY CRISISSTILLS

President Biden could make him secretary of the navy. That would be some awesome justice.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 10:04 AM | Reply

Re #36.

If he lives.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 10:05 AM | Reply

FYI: Every branch of the military has an IG office so that if one has a valid reason to circumvent the chain of command, that is the way to do so. Nowhere have I read that the officer attempted to go to them. Still remains that there are regulations adhere to which apparently he chose not not do. Retirement in the near future for him, no doubt.

#35 | POSTED BY MSGT

His sin was simple: He made it clear that the Trump administration does not care about the lives of these people. They were expendable.

Why do you ignore that?

#38 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-04-06 12:25 PM | Reply

Is Trump going to kick all of those sailors out of the Navy now?

#4 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE AT 2020-04-04 01:43 PM | FLAG:

He doesn't have to. Their careers are toast. You don't make a scene and get rewarded for it. That's not how the military works.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-06 01:13 PM | Reply

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