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Saturday, April 04, 2020

In mid-January, long before most Germans had given the virus much thought, Charité hospital in Berlin had already developed a test and posted the formula online. By the time Germany recorded its first case of Covid-19 in February, laboratories across the country had built up a stock of test kits. "The reason why we in Germany have so few deaths at the moment compared to the number of infected can be largely explained by the fact that we are doing an extremely large number of lab diagnoses," said Dr. Christian Drosten, chief virologist at Charité, whose team developed the first test.

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The same model South Korea followed, and they too had a very flat curve and comparably few deaths. Too bad Dear Leader and his Regime chose the head in the sand, deny, deny, deny strategy which yielded the largest number of cases and will lead to the highest death toll total and by percentage, a heck of a job Trumpy. Now we find out that Azar wanted to stock up on N95 masks specifically for this crisis, and Diaper Donnie himself nixed the idea. Hair Furor deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison for negligent homicide for every American death above the percentages of Germany and South Korea.

#1 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-04-04 05:55 PM | Reply

Now we find out that Azar wanted to stock up on N95 masks specifically for this crisis, and Diaper Donnie himself nixed the idea.

You got a link for that? I'm interested in reading more.

#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-04 06:05 PM | Reply

Probably because they have access to healthcare regularly and not just through the ER when they are about to die. Like her in the US

#3 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-04-04 06:34 PM | Reply

Probably because they have access to healthcare regularly and not just through the ER when they are about to die. Like her in the US

#3 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2020-04-04 06:34 PM | FLAG: Really? Then explain Italy.....

#4 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-04-04 06:38 PM | Reply

RE#4:

time.com

Now ask yourself: Why did Germany do that and not Italy (nor the US, for that matter)!

#5 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2020-04-04 06:47 PM | Reply

Master race?

#6 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-04 07:24 PM | Reply

"Master race?"

Only at Christmas.

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-04 08:29 PM | Reply

Comparing Germany's healthcare to the United States' is like comparing Mercedes Benz with Chevrolet.

#8 | Posted by Jaspar at 2020-04-05 12:10 AM | Reply

Discipline (Germany, South Korea, maybe China, not sure) vs undisciplined (Spain, Italy, to an extent USA).

Also, the Right still doesn't get it. National health care is commonsense, not Socialism for crying out loud.

#9 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2020-04-05 04:53 AM | Reply

www.youtube.com

Germany has leadership.

#10 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2020-04-05 05:18 AM | Reply

Germany has a lower threshold for testing so the denominator is larger and average age is lower. There may be other factors but that's probably the largest contributor to the lower rate.

#11 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-05 10:31 AM | Reply

I think Germany just has a healthier population overall. When they're not drinking, smoking, or eating fried pork cutlets, they're outside doing something. Hiking or biking. Very few Americans, especially those that are middle age and older, engage in these sorts of activities.

#12 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-05 10:49 AM | Reply

You don't have to think - you can read the article.
This was a mystery a month ago, but the reasons for it have become fairly clear.
It's not just one thing, but there is one particular aspect that Germany implemented very early on which I believe was the critical piece.

#13 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-05 11:40 AM | Reply

"You don't have to think - you can read the article."

I can't read this article. I don't have an NYT subscription.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-05 03:05 PM | Reply

Ah. Here's a summary of the key points I got out of it:

Early infections were with young people, spread though the ski resorts. The mortality rate skews upward with age.

When the Germans realized what was going on, they started aggressively testing. Testing is and was FREE. This means they are testing people that are asymptomatic, and because of the large number of people in the sample, and with those dying remaining the same, the average for the mortality rate is lower. If you have 1 person dying out of 100 that you tested, it's a 1% mortality rate. If you have 1 person dying, but you've tested 200 people, then it's 0.5%.

They trust their Government - and their Government under Merkel has been honest and clear in messaging. Physical distancing was implemented early and the people respected it.

They have plenty of hospital rooms, ICU rooms, ventilators, and nurses. They put people on vents when they first start showing any significant deterioration. This isn't in the article - Germany has over 13 nurses per 1,000 people.

They regularly and test often all medical personnel.

They track/contact trace.

#15 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-05 03:50 PM | Reply

It's spring break here and there's money to be made.

We live in America. Where one person's profits is worth more than the lives of thousands of human beings.

If two decades of oil wars haven't opened your eyes to this reality.

Nothing will.

I'm actually quite surprised people are being allowed to quarantine.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-04-05 03:57 PM | Reply

Master race?

All those guys came to America and joined the Republican Party.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-04-05 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Their president used to be a quantum chemist and our president used to be a reality television host.
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#18 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2020-04-05 05:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Their president used to be a quantum chemist and our president used to be a reality television host."

Our President still is.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-05 05:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now ask yourself: Why did Germany do that and not Italy (nor the US, for that matter)!

#5 | POSTED BY TRUEBLUE AT 2020-04-04 06:47 PM | REPLY

Different regulatory apparatus. The FDA approved no tests while it developed its own, which did not work. After it failed, and Covid was a problem, classically liberal de-regulation happened and private industry was able to begin testing.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-06 08:43 AM | Reply

#20 - someone that didn't bother to read the article.

#21 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-06 11:46 AM | Reply

The FDA didn't
The CDC did.

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-06 11:55 AM | Reply

Germany has a healthier populace. Less obrsity, diabetes, heart disease, etc.

#23 | Posted by visiter at 2020-04-06 01:51 PM | Reply

Germany has a healthier populace. Less obrsity, diabetes, heart disease, etc.

#24 | Posted by visiter at 2020-04-06 01:51 PM | Reply

"Germany has a lower threshold for testing so the denominator is larger and average age is lower. "

Testing does nothing to change the death rate. People die whether you test them or not.

Age is a factor only in that older people tend to have underlying health issues. Because our health care system actually sucks in spite of what deplorables think .

Personally. I would bet it is because they have a better health care system. And so they are better prepared.

"There may be other factors but that's probably the largest contributor to the lower rate.

#11 | POSTED BY VISITOR_"

Duh. Thanks captain obvious.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 01:58 PM | Reply

Donner: "Testing does nothing to change the death rate. People die whether you test them or not." Do you know how math works?

#26 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-06 02:02 PM | Reply

"Testing does nothing to change the death rate."

I assume you mean on the individual...not overall.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-06 02:04 PM | Reply

Really? Then explain Italy.....

#4 | POSTED BY MSGT

Have you been to either country? I have been to both. Germany is outperforming Italy in almost everything it does including health care.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 02:07 PM | Reply

Another explanation for the low fatality rate is that Germany has been testing far more people than most nations. That means it catches more people with few or no symptoms, increasing the number of known cases, but not the number of fatalities.

"That automatically lowers the death rate on paper," said Professor Krusslich.

He's a professor and virologist so you have to believe him.

#29 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-06 02:08 PM | Reply

Testing does nothing to change the death rate."

I assume you mean on the individual...not overall.

#27 | POSTED BY EBERLY

The number of people dead is not directly connected to testing.

You can die whether you are tested or not. Testing only confirms whether you have the virus. Not whether you will live.

By testing more we could bring down the mortality rate because you will know where it is and isn't. But testing will not stop anyone from dying. It only lowers the mortality rate sometimes. Which varies between 1.5 and 5% depending on variables such as sample size. A bigger sample does not always lower the mortality rate as proven by the the mortality rate inside America and global mortality rates. Global mortality rates are higher than inside America. So far.

The actual number of dead bodies is not affected by testing other than to lower the curve and slow down the death rate so that it is more "manageable".

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 02:15 PM | Reply

"The number of people dead is not directly connected to testing." True but death rate is connected to testing. The rate is ratio of deaths to tested positives. At least that's how I feel it works.

#31 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-06 02:25 PM | Reply

"The number of people dead is not directly connected to testing." True but death rate is connected to testing. The rate is ratio of deaths to tested positives. At least that's how I feel it works.
#31 | POSTED BY VISITOR_


"People kept saying respiratory droplets and surfaces, surfaces, surfaces, but I just felt like no way, this is something special" At least we have her feelings to go on.
#18 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2020-04-06 12:18 PM

Now that's funny.

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-06 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#22 | POSTED BY YAV AT 2020-04-06 11:55 AM | FLAG:

FDA was rolling back guidelines in Feb, that blocked people from developing tests.

Thanks for pointing out more than 1 government agency sucks though.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-06 03:15 PM | Reply

"Thanks for pointing out more than 1 government agency sucks though."

I wonder if it all rolls up to a Chief Executive or something, kinda like a business.
Anyone know?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-06 03:18 PM | Reply

At least that's how I feel it works.
#31 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Let's leave our deplorable feelings out of shall we?

Whether you die or not has nothing to do with whether you were tested.

So the testing is not directly related to your chance of dying if you catch the virus. Or rather it catches you. It does not change the total number dying each day.

Testing helps us know where the virus is and who needs to be isolated. More testing does not necessarily bring down the mortality rate. Unless people stop dying. But it seems to me the numbers still show that the number of people that are dying is increasing as fast or faster as we can increase our testing. Otherwise the mortality rate would go down not up the more you test. (The global mortality rate, is higher than the US death rate. At the moment. )

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 03:29 PM | Reply

Germany has a lower threshold for testing so the denominator is larger and average age is lower

German and Italy have nearly the same demographics regarding age. The sole differentiator is that the denominator use d in calculating the ration is greater in Germany than Italy. That results in a lower mortality rate. This is basic s**t, people.

#36 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-06 03:32 PM | Reply

Donner do you really not understand that the rate the article refers to is deaths per positive virus cases? So the number tests IS an important factor in this metric. I couldn't find a climate scientist to confirm this methodology but I quoted an actual virologist from the actual article.

#37 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-06 03:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I couldn't find a climate scientist to confirm this methodology but I quoted an actual virologist from the actual article."

LOL

#38 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-06 04:00 PM | Reply

There are many reasons Germany is doing such a good job, but a common theme is this:

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

Our health care system has a very difficult time monetizing prevention. This is where the Federal Government could have really helped We The People, by injecting money to ramp up the production of preventive services months ago.

People who are Deplorables will spend the duration of this pandemic pretending they don't understand what I'm talking about, in terms of both the value of prevention, and the role the Federal government can play in providing economic stimulus.

But they know.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-06 04:01 PM | Reply

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