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Sunday, April 05, 2020

Kim Prather, a leading atmospheric chemist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, wants to yell out her window at every surfer, runner, and biker she spots along the San Diego coast. "I wouldn't go in the water if you paid me $1 million right now," she said.

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Until yesterday, California was 49th in state testing figures per capita :(

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-04-05 12:38 PM | Reply

Until yesterday, California was 49th in state testing figures per capita :(
#1 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Orange County, FL testing site hits capacity 7 minutes after opening Friday

The testing site can only conduct 250 tests a day because they get their tests from the federal government and said they have limits.

"That federally mandated number is what we must follow. So, while we have 2,400 tests, we're only able to perform 250 a day. You may be thinking. oh, well the Miami site and the Jacksonville site have more tests that they're able to do,' and we understand that, however the reason they're able to do that is that they have either a hospital partner, or they have tests that came in from the state of Florida. While that's an option to happen here as well, it hasn't happened yet," Lauren Luna, spokesperson for the testing site said.


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#9 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2020-04-05 04:50 PM
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#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-05 10:50 PM | Reply

#2 - Wow! That is ridiculous!
WTF Florida? Orange County? TRUMP? CDC?
What was with all the -------- about being able to get a test, Trump? What a pack of LIARS.

#3 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-05 10:59 PM | Reply

"I wouldn't go in the water if you paid me $1 million right now," she said."

I would. Cripes, I'd feel much safer going to a beach right now than I did going grocery shopping today, where less than half the people were following the six feet rule.

Yeah, people who congregate in close clusters on the beach are stupid, but this article seems over the top alarmist with its claims about catching it from the ocean water.

#4 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-06 12:45 AM | Reply

- claims about catching it from the ocean water.

aka science

"In her research, Prather has found that the ocean churns up all kinds of particulate and microscopic pathogens, and every time the ocean sneezes with a big wave or two, it sprays these particles into the air. She believes that this new coronavirus is light enough to float through the air much farther than we think. The six-feet physical distancing rule, she said, doesn't apply at the beach, where coastal winds can get quite strong and send viral particles soaring.

"It's not going to kill you if you miss a few surfing sessions, but it could if you go out there and get in the wrong air," she said."

Also, it can go 26 feet in the air with a cough, not 6.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-06 12:51 AM | Reply

Yeah, I'd probably stay farther than even 26 feet away from people on the beach. Would still take the million dollars to "go in the water". The claim that "the ocean churns up all kinds of particulate and microscopic pathogens" has always been true. There's no scientific evidence that ocean water contains more coronavirus particles than municipal water.

#6 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-06 01:25 AM | Reply

There's no scientific evidence that ocean water contains more coronavirus particles than municipal water.

There's also no evidence (that I've seen) that coronaviruses in sewage are infectious.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-06 02:56 AM | Reply

"Dutch scientists were able to find the coronavirus in a city's wastewater before Covid-19 cases were reported, demonstrating a novel early warning system for the pneumonia-causing disease."

www.bloomberg.com

#8 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-06 08:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But, that still has no bearing on the argument about staying away from the beach which I am not convinced is a real danger.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-06 08:33 AM | Reply

She's an atmospheric chemist, i.e. climate scientist. It's normal for her to make apocalyptic claims.

#10 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-06 08:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Re 10

And you are a Trumptilian. It's normal for you to deny things that you don't understand. And then insult the very folks trying to save you from your own ignorance.

We are still learning about this virus.

She is obviously right about the fact that the virus can go more than 6 feet in the wind. It can survive at least a half an hour on the breeze. If the virus can survive in the sewage treatment is fecal matter it can survive in ocean foam. The fact that we don't know for sure should give you pause instead of promoting you to insult those who are trying to figure it out and warn you.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 09:59 AM | Reply

If the beaches are significantly covered in fecal matter, there is a more immediate existential threat. Please note that although she may be a smart lady, she is extrapolating a threat that is outside her area of expertise with no evidence. Not very scientific. Sorry brah.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-06 10:04 AM | Reply

There's no scientific evidence that ocean water contains more coronavirus particles than municipal water.

Does your municipal water form 10-foot crashing waves for you to surf on?

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-06 10:14 AM | Reply

the beaches are significantly covered in fecal matter, there is a more immediate existential threat. Please note that although she may be a smart lady, she is extrapolating a threat that is outside her area of expertise with no evidence. Not very scientific. Sorry brah.

#12 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Please note. No one said the beaches are covered in fecal matter you idiot.

They found that the virus can get thru the sewage treatment. So AFTER treatment if there was any virus in the treated sewage ... it could end up in the ocean. If it got into the ocean it could be spread on the foam.

Makes perfect sense. Doesn't take a scientist to figure that out.

Also climate scientists do study how things are carried in the wind. And where those things end up. Like dust. And viruses.

So you you are wrong again brah. This is her "area of expertise " and she was using the available evidence.

The fact that we are still finding out more about the virus every single day should give you pause. Instead of the insults.

But, you are a trumpet so we would expect no less from you.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 10:19 AM | Reply

Then you can link the studies that back up her claims.

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-06 10:37 AM | Reply

Re 15

The references to ongoing studies are in the article.

But.

Never mind visitor. Do not listen to the professionals.

You deplorables should do what Gawd says. definitely go to the beaches.

Crowded ones are preferable. Windy days are the best. Take a deplorable friend.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Visitor will buh-lieve it when Trump says it, not before.

#17 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-06 12:13 PM | Reply

Dammit Donner, she's climate scientist, not a virologist!.

"People kept saying respiratory droplets and surfaces, surfaces, surfaces, but I just felt like no way, this is something special" At least we have her feelings to go on.

"Once things are in the air, they can go pretty darn far. People are shocked whenever I talk about stuff becoming airborne" How far? Do we need to evacuate coastal cities?

There are degrees of risk, is a trip to the beach more risky than a grocery store? Can we go outside at all?

#18 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-06 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Those wittering on about catching it from the ocean air should never go outside and duct tape up all the cracks in their doors and windows in their houses, just like one family did during the anthrax scare after 9-11.

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-06 12:27 PM | Reply

Dammit Donner, she's climate scientist, not a virologist!.

She is a scientist!!! Argh!!!! She can't be trusted!!?

Do you know what "aerosol impacts" are?

I would believe her if she was talking in her sleep long before I would ever even pretend to believe you or trump. Or any deplorable. About anything.

"Prather, who directs the Center for Aerosol Impacts on Chemistry of the Environment, a large research hub at Scripps backed by $40 million from the National Science Foundation, sent her researchers and students home long before California officials issued stay-at-home orders. She suspected this virus was contagious by air, and knew from past studies that coronaviruses can be excreted in fecal matter. She worries SARS-CoV-2 could enter the ocean from sewage spills and outfalls, and then reenter the atmosphere."

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"should never go outside and duct tape up all the cracks in their doors and windows in their houses, just like"

Just like bush admin recommended for terror attacks?

Yeah that was before we understood just how stupid deplorables really are.

I believe they told us to shop more too. Like the magic cure to terrorism was shopping more.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 12:35 PM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2020-04-06 12:18 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Christ, VISITOR really stepped in it this time.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-06 12:40 PM | Reply

Do we need to evacuate the coastal cities?

She said "Once things are in the air, they can go pretty darn far. People are shocked whenever I talk about stuff becoming airborne"

OMG, do you know how far pretty darn far is? It's like even more than just pretty far!

We might not be safe even if we nuke the coasts from orbit!

#23 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-06 12:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"At least we have her feelings to go on."

This is a pandemic.

You should definitely trust your feelings visitor and definitely ignore them "scientists".

Get some of that forsythia. That will protect you. And some of that beautiful clean coal. I hear it coats your lungs with a nice black coating so that the virus can't get thru!

Get on out there like Trumpy Boris and prove that all them liberal snowflakes were all wrong.

Show us how it's done visitor!

15 cases soon to be zero that's what your "expert" said. It's just the flu and soon It will bow over and disappear. Like magic.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 01:48 PM | Reply

Bow over... blow over.

Same same. But blow over means more than 6 feet I think.

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 01:50 PM | Reply

I wonder if some of you read the article because so many of you simply don't get it. They talk about some of the things people catch from sewage and runoff. US Wastewater back when I was in college was pretty damned clean. You aren't likely to even get E. coli from it as that is the kind of thing they target removal of. They remove virtually all the actual wast during processing as well. The problem is it doesn't remove the virus. It also doesn't remove medicines and other chemicals but that is another story...

That being said where do you think water being discharged goes? People get things at the beach all the time - go read the article. LA had rain today... Just saying. If it is in the water and is aerosolized it's just like breathing it in from the guy that was in the room before you. Let me fill you in - every walk into a bathroom someone took a #2 in? The smell? You are breathing in fecal matter. Ever use those environmentally safe hand air hand driers? Again - blowing fecal matter all over your nice clean hands.

If you are anywhere near San Diego you also have the Tijuana sewage that sometime flows up the coast and isn't to US standards on the best days...

Frankly I am with her.

#26 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-04-06 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The smell? You are breathing in fecal matter.

What? No you're not. You're breathing in gases produced by decomposition and digestion of the food material.

Frankly I am with her.

Without rigorous testing I'm not.

The evidence for fecal oral transfer of coronaviruses is pretty thin with most of it consisting of detection of coronaviruses such as MERS and SARS-CoV-2 in fecal samples and rectal swabs.

The only test I've read of actual infectivity of virus in sewage samples was studies where virus was added to sewage to see if it remained infectious. Not at all the same as virus actually being shed in feces and the environment it would encounter within the intestine and colon.

Not to mention the effects of X number of hours or days it spends in sewage, the ocean ect.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-07 12:30 AM | Reply

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