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Monday, April 06, 2020

Air contaminated with the COVID-19 virus might travel four times farther than the 6 feet the CDC asks we distance ourselves, according to a recent study. The study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that under the right conditions, liquid droplets from sneezes, coughs and just exhaling can travel more than 26 feet and linger in the air for minutes.

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"Findings such as these may have some bearing on the CDC's recommendation on Friday that Americans wear non-surgical face masks in public " especially in places "where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain."

"There is no virtual wall at this 3- to 6-feet distance" says Lydia Bourouiba, the study's author, who specializes in fluid dynamics and is an associate professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. These findings suggest the greatest risk is for health care workers working with infected patients, she says.

As seen in this video, shot from different views and posted with Bourouiba's report, the invisible cloud can travel up to 26 feet:"

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-06 12:06 AM | Reply

This means we can shoot people who hold their cell phones out in front of their face when they're talking right?
Right.

#MAGA

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-06 12:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Droplets vs aerosols.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-06 12:51 AM | Reply

Not without a cape. Its one weakness.

#4 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-04-06 12:56 AM | Reply

Anybody who sneezes or coughs in public without covering their face these days is likely to get jumped and then possibly charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-06 01:39 AM | Reply

"Is not this a free country?"
"Yes, sir."
"Have not I a right to swing my arm?"
"Yes, but your right to swing your arm leaves off where my right not to have my nose struck begins."
Here civil government comes in to prevent bloodshed, adjust rights, and settle disputes.
quoteinvestigator.com

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-06 01:57 AM | Reply

I am uncertain how people will respond knowing that the limitations on transportation and social interactions are a lie. There are already plenty of idiots who don't care about the 6-foot rule, what's to stop employers from just disengaging any quarantine.

#7 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-04-06 07:46 AM | Reply

Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official safe distance' and stay in air for 30 minutes, Chinese study finds (March 9, 2020)
www.scmp.com

...The coronavirus that causes Covid-19 can linger in the air for at least 30 minutes and travel up to 4.5 metres " further than the "safe distance" advised by health authorities around the world, according to a study by a team of Chinese government epidemiologists.

The researchers also found that it can last for days on a surface where respiratory droplets land, raising the risk of transmission if unsuspecting people touch it and then rub their face.

The length of time it lasts on the surface depends on factors such as temperature and the type of surface, for example at around 37C (98F), it can survive for two to three days on glass, fabric, metal, plastic or paper....


#8 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-04-06 08:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

FAKE NEWS! I had a Trumphumper explaining how it's not airborne on twitter.

#9 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-04-06 08:17 AM | Reply

"what's to stop employers from just disengaging any quarantine."

Employees telling them to F themselves. My employer won't do anything that irresponsible but for those not so lucky, don't let them bully you into an unsafe situation.
Hey we're all going to be rich anyway, the government is sending us $1200 bucks. Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we may die...literally.

So this information is valuable to us how? If we are to feed ourselves at some point we have to venture out into the world and distancing more than 6 ft. will be nearly impossible. What is described in that article is a prescription for death.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-06 09:46 AM | Reply

First it needed touch and now it floats. What about when it falls on the ground and you walk on it and it sticks to your shoes? Surfers can't surf bc waves make aerosol particles and the virus has a fat layer protecting it from salt water. If tigers can get it then what about housecats? Surely dogs have got to be immune. Before we get a vaccine at some point we need experiments right now on giving volunteers a small dose of the virus and let their immune system begin working on it and then start them on convalescent plasma, all to see how quickly we can build herd immunity.

#11 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2020-04-06 10:21 AM | Reply

Let's just get to the test that can tell us if we've already had it or not.. quickly.

#12 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-04-06 10:30 AM | Reply

"First it needed touch and now it floats. What about when it falls on the ground and you walk on it and it sticks to your shoes? Surfers can't surf bc waves make aerosol particles and the virus has a fat layer protecting it from salt water. If tigers can get it then what about housecats? Surely dogs have got to be immune."

Stop want you are doing and go watch Contagion.

The virus can live for at least 30 minutes and up to 3 days on surfaces.

Assume it is everywhere and that you have it. Until the pandemic is over.

Another good film to watch is the pandemic of 1918.

If you wish to survive a pandemic you should study how they work. And what happens. And how others have survived them. Its gonna get real weird when the bodies start piling up. When we reach a thousand dead bodies a day... What do you do with all the dead bodies? How do you have that many funerals a day?

Today. I pray for New Yorkers.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 11:08 AM | Reply

Let's all just go back to our normal lives and let Gawd sort it out.

#14 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-04-06 11:09 AM | Reply

Its gonna get real weird when the bodies start piling up. When we reach a thousand dead bodies a day... What do you do with all the dead bodies? How do you have that many funerals a day?

Today. I pray for New Yorkers.
#13 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said Monday that, due to the hundreds of people dying daily from the coronavirus, officials may resort to "temporary burials" to deal with the strain placed on mortuary services and funeral homes.

The mayor was reluctant to go into much detail about the city's plan for such burials, saying only that they were prepared to deal with the grim prospect of burying covid-19 victims where they could later be tracked and removed for burial elsewhere once the crisis has passed.

"We may well be dealing with temporary burials," de Blasio said at a news conference. Historically, the city has used Hart Island as a potter's field site for burials of those whose families or estates were unable to pay for their internment, but the mayor was tight-lipped about whether that location would be used for those who died of the coronavirus.

"There will be delays because of the sheer intensity of this crisis," the mayor said. "We're going to try to treat every family with dignity ... The focus right now is to try to get through this crisis."

www.washingtonpost.com

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-06 11:21 AM | Reply

Re 15

Don't blame them for being reluctant to talk about it.

But the pictures will soon tell the terrible tale.

We are still trying to find all the bodies that were buried hastily in the 1918 pandemic.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 11:33 AM | Reply

"Let's just get to the test that can tell us if we've already had it or not.. quickly."

This will be complicated by the fact it's already mutated into numerous strains.

#17 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-06 12:16 PM | Reply

so the 6' distance is wrong? It's still too risky? 26' is more appropriate?

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-06 12:34 PM | Reply

so the 6' distance is wrong? It's still too risky? 26' is more appropriate?

The point really is that everyone should wear some type of face covering while in any setting where they'll encounter another human being that is not a part of their personal stay-at-home/isolation pod. This research indicates that the virus can travel and stay in the air over greater distances for much longer periods of time than thought before. If an infected person wears a face covering, their viral expectorations can be cut if not eliminated from spreading to others.

The longer one stays in relative proximity to outsiders the greater the chance of encountering viral material with the potential of infecting the uninfected.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-06 12:43 PM | Reply

#18

Yes, and it's also transmitted through yellow-ish web pages. Run, Eberly, Run!

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-06 12:44 PM | Reply

so it order to tell if you're a safe distance from someone else, you now have to take thirteen steps instead of three after you stand face-to-face with them, turn around and walk away from each other.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-06 12:58 PM | Reply

19

thanks

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-06 12:59 PM | Reply

#22

No problem. Stay safe.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-06 01:05 PM | Reply

so the 6' distance is wrong? It's still too risky? 26' is more appropriate?
#18 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It means we are still learning.

We only knew this virus existed just a few months ago.

It means if you are standing downwind or you walk thru where someone has expelled the virus into the air you can get it. Or more precisely, It can get you.

I may still go to the beach because our beaches are empty and clean up here on the North Coast and they go on forever. But learning this newest information about the virus will heighten my awareness of who is upwind and downwind of me. It is very contagious. And I will definitely wear a mask, or more precisely a bandana, when I go out.

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 01:12 PM | Reply

#11 GRUMPYTOO

All great points, the real danger are re-infection by mutations. Staying very local limits contact and speeds up antibody generation locally. plasmapheresis tents have still not been established, I'm uncertain the medical community is concerned in those stages while they are still scrambling identifying those with deathly symptoms. I can't believe I'm asking for those plasma center sanguinista to step forward instead of just focusing on their profit at this moment.

As for contact with cats we can presume nothing, other than again stay within your local community.

Since I am the first person I suspect was affected at my work it might be wise to cull a segment of us with potential antibodies for your virus testing idea.

#25 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-04-06 01:42 PM | Reply

I did medical transcription for 15 years, mostly ER but quite a few other specialties. It was enjoyable listening to doctors especially when they were discussing all factors contributing to a possible diagnosis and treatment of the patient and their long term plan the disease. If this CV is driving me nuts about not knowing a darn thing then I feel great pity for the frustration of the epidemiologists and other researchers. But they do love a challenge.

#26 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2020-04-06 04:18 PM | Reply

#13 Assume it is everywhere and that you have it.

#14 Let's all just go back to our normal lives,..

How many electron microscopically small individual virus particles can you have and it is still undetectable? Hmm? So, yes, unless you are staying in Ray's gold vault you have been exposed to at least a little bit of virus. How could you not be, look at how much virus all the HVAC systems of hospitals worldwide are spewing. How well is medical waste disposal being handled? The household garbage of people on home quarantine is not being taken care of like hazardous waste.

The original sales talk for the lockdown was to not overburden the hospitals. Now the point being emphasized is to try and keep people from getting sick, you know, for their own good, not especially for the public health angle like before. Now we are supposed to go along with the lockdown for our own good, and because the police could grab you.

I'm waiting for the Surfers' Revolt and would not be surprised if they quote Patrick Henry. The atmosphere at my apartment complex is about to boil over. Not a whole lot of cars are out there but they are driving faster. I have not ridden the bus in about two weeks and if I do I'm going to wear a mask.

#27 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2020-04-06 08:12 PM | Reply

So, yes, unless you are staying in Ray's gold vault you have been exposed to at least a little bit of virus.

There's no reason to think this.

I think people imagine infected individuals look like a viral version of Pig Pen when in reality these results are coming from controlled environments and positive testing of people is done by shoving a q tip up their sinuses.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-06 11:19 PM | Reply

JPW - you are saying that airborne transmission is not happening very much? Because this is what I'd like to believe and that social distancing is working pretty well.

#29 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2020-04-07 01:36 AM | Reply

Not at all.

I think people expect airborne transmission to mean an infected individual would look like Pig Pen with magic glasses on.

Remember, statistically an infected individual infects about 1.5-2 other people. Think of how many people in a day a person encounters.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-07 03:42 AM | Reply

Many things 'might' be...

#31 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-04-07 01:49 PM | Reply

Many things 'might' be...

#31 | POSTED BY MSGT

There's preliminary evidence supporting this so it's a scientific "might", not a pure conjecture "might".

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-08 08:46 AM | Reply

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