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Monday, April 06, 2020

Elisabeth Rosenthal: (T)here are hundreds of thousands more people who should have been tested at this point, if more tests were available ... But here is what is outrageous: This resource should not be in such limited supply three months into a global outbreak. Widespread testing has a hugely important impact, not just for individuals, but also for society.

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Widespread testing would allow us to have a better sense of how transmissible the virus is after more casual contact. We know that the intense exposure of health care personnel in a hospital setting often leads to transmission. But what about the co-worker who sat across the office from you and rarely interacted with you?

After this period of lockdown, Covid-19 is likely to come back in lesser waves, and robust testing data would be hugely important in fashioning a targeted response that could be less expansive than the miserable and economically devastating shutdown we are now experiencing.

To me it seems like when it comes to the testing issue most people only look at it as a one-shot deal. It isn't. Testing needs to be constant and ongoing depending upon circumstances. Someone testing negative today might well test positive later on so simply testing once isn't a panacea, it might be a false security blanket.

Obviously not every citizen needs to be tested repeatedly and most won't need to be tested even once. But for those still active in traversing through our society during this pandemic or the thousands upon thousands who are experiencing symptoms of Covid but are unable to secure testing, this nation has to prioritize a rapid expansion in test availability before any serious conversations can begin about reopening society once these initial waves of viral spread are over.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-06 11:16 AM | Reply

"Anybody that wants a test can get a test."

Sincerely, one month ago today.

#2 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-04-06 04:58 PM | Reply

I believe this is done by the Drumpf Regime on purpose. He is still trying to keep his numbers down. I'm sure we are well over 10k dead, but if you can't test them, they didn't die of COVID-45.

#3 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-04-06 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So who's sock puppet is Maga2020?

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-04-06 09:34 PM | Reply

Trump yesterday - "The tests are beautiful! Everyone who wants a test gets a test! "

Trump today- "It's not the job of the federal government to stand on the corner and test!"

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-06 10:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I believe this is done by the Drumpf Regime on purpose. He is still trying to keep his numbers down. I'm sure we are well over 10k dead, but if you can't test them, they didn't die of COVID-45.

#3 | POSTED BY _GUNSLINGER_

I'm not usually conspiracy minded but I'm not at all skeptical of the Trump administration keeping testing low to prevent the full scale of their failure be known.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-06 11:25 PM | Reply

1.) CDC is incompetent - like most government agencies

Sure, when they're shackled by incompetent Orange Schitstains and their lackies.

2.) The tests prior to the one the US is using have failure rates up to 70% (that is the Chinese test) - at that point, there is little point in testing

Link or stink.

I've seen this claim made several times and I've yet to find a reputable (or any...) source for that stat.

3.) Until the reality hit home for places like New York, people were going to not self-quarantine anyway
4.) Asymptomatic carriers are the dangerous ones and they would require almost daily tests

Nonsense. Completely impractical and pretty much impossible.

5.) The government ability to respond was degraded (like pretty much everything else his corrupt hands touched) by Obama

Is that what developing pandemic plans and passing them on is? Degrading the response? Is that what setting up a response infrastructure is? Degrading the response?

Idiot.

The only good from testing would be the ability to state the actual mortality rates which are unknowable without widespread testing. I honestly don't think the Liberals really want that number known or the push to just return to normal would overwhelm their constant message of fear and panic, which they hope they can use against Trump. Bill Mahr wanted a recession - do you think he would have not wanted a recession and pandemic? Of course he views it as collateral damage in his goal of getting rid of Trump.

#4 | POSTED BY MAGA_2020

Jesus Christ you're stupid.

Only people who want to appear smart think they're saying something profound by saying the overall mortality rate is lower than the case fatality rate that's currently being reported.

Guess what, idiot, the overall mortality rate doesn't change because we suddenly become aware of it. Becoming aware of it doesn't change the facts on the ground and the future projections and outcomes.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-06 11:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

So who's sock puppet is Maga2020?

#5 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Maybe Jeff or RoC's therapist convinced them to make the account so they can let their true feelings out.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-06 11:37 PM | Reply

Maga2020 - good troll bait for a liberal site. A little bit obvious though. A convincing sock puppet needs to be more convincingly constructed.

#10 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-04-06 11:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah he's no Bradford Winston that's for sure.

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-04-06 11:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Pretty sure it's Ira Goldbrick. He got plonked so often he made a new account. I plonked this one too. I can't stand aggressively stupid people even if they're trying to troll, and this AH schitts on every thread.

#12 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-04-07 01:05 AM | Reply

LOL. Incompetent before Trump and will be long after - just like the WHO.

Says a person who likely survived childhood because of them.

Is Google really that difficult for you?

Pay walled.

And it's not my job to support your assertions.

testing that omits testing EVERYONE accomplishes nothing other than identifying people that have antibodies and can get on with their lives.

We don't have serology tests yet.

In any case I'm well aware of what people knowing their status would mean, it's still impractical. Or do you have some jenius idea on how 300 million tests will be run every day when we can't even get widespread, consistent testing off the ground?

No - those saying it have common sense and know a huge number of people have already had is and don't even know it yet.

Common sense is code for "bullschit".

Fact is we have shut down our country without knowing the true rates. I think that was a huge mistake.

Of course, you're a Trumper and to a Trumper $$$ means all.

Fact is we knew enough and acted appropriately based on the information in hand.

All you're looking for is a small number to then act as if it's no big deal. Because "common sense".

The overall mortality rate is critical as it shows how afraid the public should be. Becoming aware of it will 100% change the future projects and outcomes. You are living in fear and choose to remain ignorant. So be it.

LOL

No, I'm smart enough to know that knowing the overall rate will only tell us the overall rate. It won't effect the case fatality rate, new infection rate ect.

Knowing one is positive by serology might ease some of the economic impact but even if there are ten times more cases than we know of now we're still, at best, only talking about 1% of the US population as being immune.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-07 01:18 PM | Reply

Once again, a Liberal outlet shows how bad they are at understanding reality.

"This resource should not be in such limited supply three months into a global outbreak."

The outbreak wasn't considered global for 3 months. It was considered sporadic. Stop trying to change facts.

Also, you do see the word "global" in there right. Global means 7 billion people. Doing anything within less than two months time for the "global" population is not possible no matter how much you want it to be true. What they are really saying is since one American was impacted, it's a travesty. Even though there is nothing novel (haha) about the numbers yet. These numbers aren't close to being indicative of a problem the likes of which the world has seen before.

Here is the partisan hater way of spreading hate during covid:
1. Is the other party in power? Yes - continue.
2. Was a person negatively impacted? Yes - continue but post thousands of articles that it is unacceptable that something impacting the entire world by the tens of thousands could ever be seen in America and that the other party is to blame.
3. Is there any measurable to see the impact? Yes - continue
4. Find every measurable and make up reasons why the measurable rate is terrible; e.g. no toilet paper, then post thousands of articles as to why it is the other party's fault.
5. Make sure you do not use common sense or real-world comparisons when spreading hate.
6. When making assumptions, and make sure you ONLY make assumptions, make sure to embellish as much as possible; e.g. "COVID test kits can be made in -3.4 minutes and if you need billions, they can be made in mass in 2.2 minutes total. sucks!"

"Guess what, idiot, the overall mortality rate doesn't change because we suddenly become aware of it. Becoming aware of it doesn't change the facts on the ground and the future projections and outcomes."

??????? Seriously, wtf????? So if I never give you the mortality rate, the future projections and outcomes can still be considered correct? Just WOW. The partisan hate has truly become an epidemic more profound and disturbing than COVID can ever be.

#15 | Posted by humtake at 2020-04-07 01:26 PM | Reply

The partisan hate has truly become an epidemic more profound and disturbing than COVID can ever be.
#15 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

You'd realize the justification for such hate if you'd remove your partisan blinders and recognize how big of a cluster ---- this has become because of the sitting POTUS:
Trump Has Financial Interest' in Hydroxychloroquine

#16 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-07 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The partisan hate has truly become an epidemic

Yea. Trump has done a frightening job of dividing this nation.

This nation is so divided we can't stand for anything.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-04-07 01:34 PM | Reply

#13 | POSTED BY MAGA_2020

1) "LOL. Incompetent before Trump and will be long after - just like the WHO."
The CDC actually did a rather good job during Swine Flu, leading to less deaths than even the common flu. That was under Obama. They teamed with the private sector to test 1 million people in the first 30 days of Swine Flu and had a vaccine out in 9 months.
The WHO isn't perfect but they've done a decent job as well providing information and tracking.
Your pal Trump fired the pandemic team and the early warning team in China for pandemics.

2) "elpais.com"
Yes, the Chinese tests didn't work. But the German and South Korean and WHO tests did. In fact, the South Koreans were testing 15,000 a day before we tested 5,000 total.
Why? Incompetence at the top.

3) "If you are asymptomatic for 5-14 days and are able to spread the virus for the duration of that time, testing that omits testing EVERYONE accomplishes nothing other than identifying people that have antibodies and can get on with their lives."
No, it allows us to track who they have been in contact with and have them quarantine. Ask South Korea, Germany and others.
How do we know this works? Because the South Koreans did it and haven't even had to shut down their economy.

4) "That is why Obama allowed the affordable ventilator program to be killed off. He staffed with CDC with morons and it is showing now."
There was no affordable ventilator program. The only cheap ventilators were bought out by a private company before Obama took office (13 years ago).
No, Obama didn't staff the CDC with morons. The last 2 directors of the CDC have been Trump appointees.

5) "No - those saying it have common sense and know a huge number of people have already had is and don't even know it yet. Fact is we have shut down our country without knowing the true rates."
Translation: I don't understand medicine and would rather let 500,000 people die in my social experiment.

6) "The overall mortality rate is critical as it shows how afraid the public should be. Becoming aware of it will 100% change the future projects and outcomes."
The overall mortality rate is between .6% and 3%. I don't need to know the exact mortality rate to know this thing will kill a lot of people if it spreads throughout the country.

Trump has had 3 years in office. Trump didn't take this virus seriously. He got rid of programs that would have protected us. He ignored the handbook. And now a lot of people are going to die and we are going to spend a lot of money.

Let me boil down your arguments:
1. Trump is a genius and has done a great job.
2. If there is a screw up, it's because of an Agency.
3. If it's the Agency, it's because of Obama appointees.
4. You can't tell me which Obama appointee (because they haven't been there in years) and how an Obama appointee screwed up, but we should trust you.

#18 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-04-07 01:37 PM | Reply

Trump Has Financial Interest in Hydroxychloroquine

I read about this yesterday.

The fact Trump hasn't been removed from office for so many different reasons is mind blowing.

America is dead. When Trump wins his reelection. He'll deliver the final blow.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-04-07 01:38 PM | Reply

The fact Trump hasn't been removed from office for so many different reasons is mind blowing.
#19 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Is it?

This is the Republican Party. This is how they do things.

#20 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-04-07 03:24 PM | Reply

"That is why Obama allowed the affordable ventilator program to be killed off.

I posted a thread last week that proved the cross-administration government funded effort to mass produce inexpensive ventilators was "killed" by the acquisition of said company by another larger company whose sole motivation was to protect their own expensive ventilator market share. The company killed the project, not the government.

Just another lie from an inveterate liar.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-08 07:10 AM | Reply

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