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Wednesday, April 08, 2020

Bernie Sanders is ending his presidential campaign, he announced on Wednesday.

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#1 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-04-08 11:55 AM | Reply

Everyone stole all Bernies ideas and kicked him out.

They accuse him of being a socialist while they are actively engaging in the largest socialistic exchange ever.

They call their brand of socialism all kinds of fancy names, to disquise the fact, because they know that most Americans are too gullible and ignorant to know the difference.

#2 | Posted by kudzu at 2020-04-08 11:57 AM | Reply

@#1 ... Beat you by several minutes... ...

The 11:48 time is not the time I posted it.

It is the time it was prompted to the front page.

In the User Blogs section, my entry had the same 11:36 as yours did, but was up a few seconds earlier.

Not that it really matters. :)

But to the point...

I suspected something along these lines when Sen Sanders and Mr Biden were talking about VP candidates a number of days ago.


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-04-08 11:59 AM | Reply

Now we can focus. Get that evil POS out of the White House!

#4 | Posted by cbob at 2020-04-08 12:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

I would have preferred Bernie over Biden. It's too bad Bernie Bros thought spamming the internet with pro-Bernie memes was all they had to do for Bernie to win. Hopefully, they figured out that they need to actually vote.

#5 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-04-08 12:02 PM | Reply

well now....we've ended up with the candidate I think has the best chance.

I don't know what Biden should do right now....that doesn't concern me though. He's not paying me to tell him what to do.

someone else is worrying about that right now.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-08 12:04 PM | Reply

I guess a shiftless bum who spends 10 years living on welfare rather than supporting his own kids can't get a fair deal anymore.

#7 | Posted by Tor at 2020-04-08 12:05 PM | Reply

Oh, and for those of you who will take pleasure in any pain experienced by Trump......take pleasure. This is not what he wanted.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-08 12:05 PM | Reply

Glad I had the opportunity to vote for Bernie here in Florida. Now, I'm going to do what he's going to do and what he's going to ask his supporters to do; support and vote for the Dem candidate to get this current pos out of office.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 12:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Millennials are pathetic. All they do is tweet and like things on instagram. When it comes to actually going to vote or mailing in a ballot that's just too much work. They wont do anything that they can't do on their phone.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-08 12:10 PM | Reply

And where the ---- is biden? Hiding in his basement. Letting trump lie on ever channel every day and never fighting for attention to point out the lies.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-08 12:11 PM | Reply

Joe doesn't have a job, so he's non-essential. He's home where he's supposed to be.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-08 12:16 PM | Reply

Now we can focus. Get that evil POS out of the White House!

#4 | Posted by cbob at 2020-04-08 12:01 PM | Reply

The Evil POS will make it easy on no one.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2020-04-08 12:17 PM | Reply

'Ray! The white septugenarian won! I guess our choices are now Hubris or Senility. Ugh.

#14 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-04-08 12:18 PM | Reply

#11

www.politico.com

www.youtube.com

www.realclearpolitics.com

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 12:19 PM | Reply

This is not what he wanted.

#8 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Thank you captain obvious.

Else why would he have needed to risk Impeachment to make that "perfect" phone call to a foreign leader to try and solicit dirt on Joe Biden?

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-08 12:19 PM | Reply

Moo ha ha!

The secret plan is working!!

Now Obama can become Vice President.

Now THAT would be some fun.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-08 12:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is no time to be bitter. The primary objective is to get rid of Trump and save the country. Remember, United we stand, Divided we FAIL.

#18 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-04-08 12:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 5

BERNIE 2020, INDEPENDENT.

#19 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-08 12:30 PM | Reply

Did Bernie take the fourth house or the private jet as a concession prize?

#20 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2020-04-08 12:31 PM | Reply

#19

Trump's damp dream.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 12:32 PM | Reply

"Bernie Sanders Only Has Eyes for One Wing of the Democratic Party
But actually there are three, and they all matter."

www.nytimes.com

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 12:36 PM | Reply

Now Obama can become Vice President.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020

Between Biden and Obama that might personally work.

But put him on the Supreme Court Instead.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2020-04-08 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Bernie Sanders Only Has Eyes for One Wing of the Democratic Party
But actually there are three, and they all matter."

www.nytimes.com

#22 | Posted by Corky

There are three, and two of them have handed us loss after loss after loss...

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-08 12:45 PM | Reply

#24

You mean like Obama's loss? Twice?

He brought all three together.

Of course, if the people who have finally figured out that you can't trust the millennials to show up get behind the Dem candidate rather than whining about him and helping Trump, we can get rid of Trump.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 12:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As long as Sanders has breath in his body, he'll run again. He's the new-ish Eugene Debs.

#26 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-04-08 12:54 PM | Reply

For every Bernie supporter who sits out on Biden, there's a moderate/Never Trump Republican who will now vote for Biden that would have stayed home on Bernie, like they stayed home on Hillary. I'll take that trade.

Seems elsewhere on the internet

#27 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-04-08 12:56 PM | Reply

It's shocking to me the DNC didn't choose a non-Democrat to be their nominee. Shocked! Shocked, I tells ya!

#28 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-04-08 12:57 PM | Reply

After we get rid of Trump would be a fine time to start building up the progressive wing in the Dem party and or a third progressive party. I'd be all for that.

Now is the time for all three factions of the Dem party to come together and vote Trump out.

Biden/Obama 2020

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 01:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Did Bernie take the fourth house or the private jet as a concession prize?

Signed, a guy who plans to vote for a corrupt millionaire

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 01:10 PM | Reply

Biden needs to be as big a man as Bernie and bow out too to make room for a candidate who can actually win. To do less is not what a great man would do.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-08 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Cuomo 2020! He is the only politician who has shown true leadership during this crisis. He hasn't pursued the Presidency, rather he is being pursued by the population who consider him to be the leader. We need a real leader right now, he is one.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-08 01:18 PM | Reply

#31 I agree 150%.

#33 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-08 01:19 PM | Reply

One thing is certain. Joe knows business. From 30 grand entering the White House, to making 9 million from 2016 to 2019.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-08 01:19 PM | Reply

Joe Biden 2020: "Still Better Than Trump"

#35 | Posted by bartimus at 2020-04-08 01:28 PM | Reply

One thing is certain. Joe knows business. From 30 grand entering the White House, to making 9 million from 2016 to 2019.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg

And he didn't even have to inherit anything from his daddy.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-08 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"One thing is certain. Joe knows business. From 30 grand entering the White House, to making 9 million from 2016 to 2019.
#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg"

Joe has worked for banks, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies for his entire career. That is not what the Democratic Party should be nominating for President.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-08 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well I'll be looking to dine at the Third Party Diner again this election as well.

#38 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-04-08 01:49 PM | Reply

#38

Trump will be happy you do.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 01:54 PM | Reply

Oh look Sanders supporters are getting ready to help Trump again.

Have you caught the virus you helped to bring to America yet?

#40 | Posted by Tor at 2020-04-08 01:54 PM | Reply

I don't recall seeing any Bernie or Joe ads in Wisconsin.

#41 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-08 01:58 PM | Reply

"Well I'll be looking to dine at the Third Party Diner again this election as well."

And that will benefit you how? Own four more years of Trump. Just don't pretend you aren't helping him, that would make you look like a liar.I don't like saying that but what choice do you leave people who just want a decent President?

#42 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-08 01:59 PM | Reply

#14 The choice is corruption vs decency, no matter who the dems nominate. Trump and the GOP are completely corrupt, let alone incompetent and appeasing dictators for personal gain.

#43 | Posted by bored at 2020-04-08 02:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hope to see more of this:

Trae Crowder @traecrowder (The Liberal Redneck)

I voted for Bernie in 2016 and this year, but if you think my ass ain't officially now Pro Joe as HELL, then me and you's just two different kindsa liberals (I'm the kind that wants to win).

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-04-08 02:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#42 The Pout party is for those that want the world to work the way they want it to, and be able to point out how they were 'right' whenever something isn't perfect. MAPA!

#45 | Posted by bored at 2020-04-08 02:02 PM | Reply

The DNC loves rereuns. Expect even less turnout than 2016.

Thanks centrists!

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 02:04 PM | Reply

The DNC loves rereuns. Expect even less turnout than 2016.

Thanks centrists!

#46 | Posted by JOE

Better to lose to trump again than to let america see how much progressives solutions would help them.

#47 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-08 02:07 PM | Reply

#30
I can't.
He just dropped out.

#48 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2020-04-08 02:11 PM | Reply

Some people just hate the voter's decisions. Bernie recognized and respected them.

- Trae Crowder

on virus
www.youtube.com

home made mask

twitter.com

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 02:15 PM | Reply

If the Bernie folks won't ever vote Dem, then why listen to them at all? They're just terrorists.

#50 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 02:42 PM | Reply

Redneck Liberal compares the Dem candidates... and their supporters

www.youtube.com

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 02:43 PM | Reply

Pavlov's DR dogs salivate..

#52 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-04-08 02:53 PM | Reply

Dr. Jill Biden @DrBiden

With all my heart: Thank you to Bernie and Jane for creating a movement that has lifted all of us. You have inspired so many to believe in a more just world...together we will build that future.

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-04-08 02:56 PM | Reply

Joe Biden @JoeBiden

I know Bernie well. He's a good man, a great leader, and one of the most powerful voices for change in our country. And it's hard to sum up his contributions to our politics in one, single tweet. So I won't try to.

Read the rest here:

twitter.com

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-04-08 03:08 PM | Reply

Glad I had the opportunity to vote for Bernie here in Florida. Now, I'm going to do what he's going to do and what he's going to ask his supporters to do; support and vote for the Dem candidate to get this current pos out of office.

#9 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2020-04-08 12:09 PM | REPLY

Not so quick there, Hoss.

"While this campaign is coming to an end, our movement is not," Sanders said. He congratulated Biden, calling him a "decent man," and conceded he will win the nomination, but declined to endorse him outright.

www.cbsnews.com

#55 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-04-08 03:14 PM | Reply

Assuming he is healthy, Bernie will be back in 4 years. He just will.

#56 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-04-08 03:16 PM | Reply

#55!!!!!!!! omfg.....

#57 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 03:21 PM | Reply

Bruce (the guy who wanted a Republican to win the nomination) thinks people who want universal healthcare are terrorists. That's what's wrong with this country.

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 03:22 PM | Reply

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Bernie Sanders is OUT! Thank you to Elizabeth Warren. If not for her, Bernie would have won almost every state on Super Tuesday! This ended just like the Democrats & the DNC wanted, same as the Crooked Hillary fiasco. The Bernie people should come to the Republican Party, TRADE!

Wow, Bernie is unwilling to give up his delegates, and wants more of them! What's that all about?

Can't see AOC plus 3 supporting Sleepy Joe!
12:12 PM Apr 8, 2020

PS He's wrong about Warren supporters all going to Bernie had she dropped out earlier. Quite a few Warren supporters were Clinton supporters who wanted to see a strong woman president.

#59 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-04-08 03:22 PM | Reply

#55

He will endorse the Dem candidate just like he did last time; after they talk about some of Bernie's proposals that Joe can back.

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 03:24 PM | Reply

- thinks people who want universal healthcare are terrorists.

More like thinks that people who would not do all they could to beat Trump no matter the candidate are terrorists.

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 03:26 PM | Reply

"And where the ---- is biden?"

He's in ninja mode right now.

#62 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-08 03:39 PM | Reply

Feel the embers.

#63 | Posted by LesWit at 2020-04-08 03:41 PM | Reply

Some people just hate the voter's decisions. Bernie recognized and respected them

#49 | Posted by Corky

Some people are too stupid to hate decisions that will lead to 4 more years of trump.

Dems should have learned southern minorities aren't picking winners in 2016. Now they'll have to learn it again in 2020.

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-08 03:41 PM | Reply

#60.... Come on now. Did he really? Maybe he put it on a press release once, but his movement is his real action, and actions speak louder than words.

#58 the moderates are the ones who bring you Healthcare. You're just an ungrateful screaming toddler.

#65 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 03:44 PM | Reply

Oh lovely. Corky has become Dick Cheney in post 61.

www.cbsnews.com

#66 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-04-08 03:47 PM | Reply

#64

If you can't win a Dem primary, you can't win a general election.... or have you already forgotten about the millennial's record of non-voting?

Obama is the model for a Dem winning, not Bernie or Jill Stein.

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 03:49 PM | Reply

Poor OLD QUID PRO JOE...are the Demorats serious. His latest attempt at public speaking. He failed big time.

#68 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-04-08 03:50 PM | Reply

#66

Oh typical, Laura stills posts caricatures, not arguments.

#69 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 03:51 PM | Reply

the moderates are the ones who bring you Healthcare.

They're doing a bang-up job so far!

#70 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 03:57 PM | Reply

#70 you're agreeing with me? If not, say why.

#71 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 03:59 PM | Reply

"His latest attempt at public speaking. He failed big time."

Thinks Donald Trump is a great public speaker. Hilarious. Trump has the big microphone but doesn't have the brain to know how to use it.

#72 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-08 04:02 PM | Reply

If you can't win a Dem primary, you can't win a general election.... or have you already forgotten about the millennial's record of non-voting?

Obama is the model for a Dem winning, not Bernie or Jill Stein.

#67 | Posted by Corky

WRONG. Because in a general election, swing states matter far more than southern states which you wont win anyway. This basic logic can be understood by anyone worthy of political analysis.

It doesn't matter who dems in south carolina prefer. We gave them their nominee in 2016. Lot of good it did.

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-08 04:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Obama is the model for a Dem winning, not Bernie or Jill Stein.

#67 | Posted by Corky

Funny I can't remember obama campaigning on promises to just go back to how things were 5 years ago.

I remember something something something about sweeping CHANGE and fighting against the bankers and insurance companies.

Sure it was all a lie, but it was he tapped into populist anger to get elected. He didn't win by saying let's be realistic and not change too much like Biden is.

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-08 04:13 PM | Reply

#74 Bernie isn't saying change either. Be honest.

#75 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 04:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#55!!!!!!!! omfg.....

#57 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-04-08 03:21 PM |

Hair-on-fire little 8ltch

#76 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-04-08 04:27 PM | Reply

Bernie's simply saying that he's going to burn it all down.

Now he's doing that.

#77 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 04:32 PM | Reply

Bruce you're a dishonest hack. You supported a Republican candidate and you're condemming Bernie for actually giving a ----- about the PEOPLE instead of the corporations like Bloomberg and yes even Biden. You can kiss my hiney.

#78 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2020-04-08 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#78 nope.

#79 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 04:50 PM | Reply

- Sure it was all a lie,

That's hilarious. Good job, though, showing why Puridopians are so useless.

I'm just happy for Bernie that he won't ever see the day when he got the same shiv in the back Obama did when he faced reality, compromised, took what he could actually get passed into law... and his supporters didn't and turned on him viciously.

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-08 04:53 PM | Reply

Now we can focus. Get that evil POS out of the White House!

#4 | POSTED BY CBOB

Bingo.

#81 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-08 04:54 PM | Reply

I'm just happy for Bernie that he won't ever see the day when he got the same shiv in the back Obama did when he faced reality, compromised, took what he could actually get passed into law... and his supporters didn't and turned on him viciously.

#80 | Posted by Corky

Yeah that horrible shiv in the back that pays him $400,000 to make a "speech". I'd love a shiv like that.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-04-08 04:55 PM | Reply

BERNIE 2020, INDEPENDENT.

#19 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

If he couldn't get people to get out and vote for him in a primary what exactly do you think this would achieve?

#83 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-08 04:57 PM | Reply

#82 would you though?

#84 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 04:57 PM | Reply

you're agreeing with me? If not, say why.
#71 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Does it really need to be explained to you that millions of Americans remain without health insurance, millions more lose it every year when they lose their jobs, and that the status quo of our healthcare delivery system (as provided by "moderates") is unsustainable? If you really require more detail on this then i won't waste my time speaking to you ever again.

This is what we've gotten by nominating (and sometimes electing) moderates. Moderates have run the Democratic Party since i was born. They've gotten us a Republican Supreme Court, kids in cages, medical bankruptcies, trillion dollar wars, and more.

---- moderates. And ---- you.

#85 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 04:57 PM | Reply

It's shocking to me the DNC didn't choose a non-Democrat to be their nominee. Shocked! Shocked, I tells ya!

#28 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT

The voters didn't either.

#86 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-08 04:58 PM | Reply

The DNC loves rereuns. Expect even less turnout than 2016.
Thanks centrists!

#46 | POSTED BY JOE

Turnout by who?

Whiny "progressives" who seem to think everybody should just love their ideas because they're their ideas?

Your candidate wasn't able to sell his platform to enough people who were willing to get out and vote.

And Biden is no Hillary. Hillary was in a league of her own. 1,000 years from now some archaeologist will find her grave and all 10,000 terracotta skeletons.

#87 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-08 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The RNC should sell all their Bernie attack ads to HBO... would probably make a great 90 minute special.

#88 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-04-08 05:04 PM | Reply

I would really hope that Biden supporters would lay aside the sarcasm and snarkiness about Sanders supporters. And I hope Sanders supporters will all find it within themselves to rally around Biden, who is obviously a less than perfect liberal alternative to Trump. Personally I was pulling for Warren. When she fell to the side, I veered to Sanders. I have no problem now though going all-in for Biden as a decent alternative to Trump.

#89 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-04-08 05:04 PM | Reply

He's not the candidate unless he can make it to the convention in good health. So, watch your back Joe. Watch your back Joe.

#90 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-08 05:05 PM | Reply

Turnout by who?

The number of people Democrats need to win.

In case you didn't notice, Americans weren't all that jazzed about voting for a boring old corporate stooge Democrat in 2016. Doing it again with someone who is apparently less mentally coherent is not a winning strategy.

And i'm not saying Sanders should have been the nominee or that there's some secret guarantee that he would have won the general. What i'm saying is that if progressives are going to be toppled by centrists yet again, the least those centrists could do is throw their weight behind someone who isn't literally the least exciting person in the race.

Excitement drives turnout. Biden does not generate excitement. Doesn't take a wizard to understand what happens next.

#91 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 05:07 PM | Reply

Dems should have learned southern minorities aren't picking winners in 2016. Now they'll have to learn it again in 2020.

#64 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Super duper excited coasts don't either.

#92 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-08 05:07 PM | Reply

---- moderates. And ---- you.

#85 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-04-08 04:57 PM | REPLY | FLAG

That's a compelling argument I'm surprised more people haven't come around to your point of view.

#93 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-08 05:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#93 Nobody's reaching out to you, Trumper. Go vote for a rapist and STFU.

#94 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 05:10 PM | Reply

Go vote for a rapist and STFU.

#94 | POSTED BY JOE

When the choices for General Election are Biden vs Trump, there is almost a 100% chance you're voting for some type of groper.

Sorry, that too easy for low hanging fruit/political commentary.

#95 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-04-08 05:12 PM | Reply

Joe. Could you please stop "helping" so much?

#96 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 05:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Excitement drives turnout. Biden does not generate excitement. Doesn't take a wizard to understand what happens next.

#91 | POSTED BY JOE

I think you need to leave the idealism bubble and take a gander around the pragmatic bubble.

Most people grow out of the "excitement" phase as they get older and vote more practically and an understanding that they're not going to get that pony for christmas.

Do I think Biden is the best? Nope. But Bernie wasn't going to win critical swing states. He couldn't even win some of their primaries.

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-08 05:14 PM | Reply

Excitement drives turnout.

#91 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-04-08 05:07 PM | FLAG:

Great. Can you explain how the excitement turned into votes, or lack thereof, for the excitement candidate? Here's a hint, it's in the article at the top of this thread.

#98 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 05:15 PM | Reply

I think you need to leave the idealism bubble and take a gander around the pragmatic bubble.

Most people grow out of the "excitement" phase as they get older and vote more practically and an understanding that they're not going to get that pony for christmas.

Are you really this dense?

Do you really not understand the difference between a young, charismatic candidate like Obama and a senile old coot like Biden?

Do you really not get that in the case of the former, more people who usually don't bother voting will be talking about the candidate and convinced to go do something with their vote, than in the case of the latter?

This has nothing to do with me or my own excitement. You seem unable to understand that?

#99 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 05:18 PM | Reply

#98 We're discussing the general, not the primary. More randoms who tend not to vote can be convinced to show up for Dems in the general.

Unless you've managed to nominate a senile old white corporate stooge, that is.

#100 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 05:20 PM | Reply

Joe's argument about viability looks pretty stupid when actual voters turned out in droves all over America, in blue states and red states, to vote for Joe Biden without any major push from purchased media or energetic supporters whooping and hollering like Sanders supporters did.

2016 is not 2020. 2018 voters are the ones voting for Biden and 2018 was the best year for Democrats in modern history. This is fairly simple to understand. We all saw voters literally risking their lives to vote yesterday in Wisconsin. When the totals finally come out it's more than likely a vast majority cast ballots for Joe Biden as well. These voters weren't enthusiastic, they were determined.

The "he's unelectable" argument runs into a concrete wall made of reality. While voters may not be excited with Joe Biden, excitement is in short supply during a pandemic where the sitting President dithers, lies, and preens while Americans are needlessly dying by the thousands every day.

Calm, competent, and wise enough to surround himself with diverse and qualified people is what attracts voters in this cycle. Joe Biden is going to do just fine. He's not Donald Trump.

#101 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-08 05:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

a senile old white corporate stooge, that is.

#100 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-04-08 05:20 PM | FLAG:

Glass houses buddy.

#102 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 05:31 PM | Reply

Calm, competent, and wise enough to surround himself with diverse and qualified people is what attracts voters in this cycle. Joe Biden is going to do just fine. #101 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Less "Acting" cabinet posts and interim state department/NatSec positions, more qualified professionals.

Easy choice.

#103 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-04-08 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Go vote for a rapist and STFU."

just played 18 and had to check in....LOL

JoeExotic is going to take his ball and go home, apparently.

Bill Clinton isn't running again, liljoe.

#104 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-08 05:35 PM | Reply

The "he's unelectable" argument runs into a concrete wall made of reality.

Uh huh. 2016 was make believe!

I'd love to be wrong about all of this, btw.

#105 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 05:36 PM | Reply

"Go vote for a rapist and STFU."

Americans won't accept a President without a killer instinct.
Rape fits the bill just fine.

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-08 05:41 PM | Reply

Biden is live now.

www.facebook.com

#107 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-08 05:43 PM | Reply

Is it still 2016? Have the people not experienced 4 years of "what do you have to lose(?)" Donald Trump at the very time thousands are dying - many needlessly - because of his ineptness and narcissism?

2018 showed you what the voters think of Trump and he's only made things worse since, thumbing his nose at conventions, laws and strictures.

And to be clear; in 1992 I did not prefer Bill Clinton. In 2000, I did not prefer Gore. In 2004, I did not prefer Kerry. In 2008, I did prefer Obama. In 2016, I did not prefer Hillary Clinton, and I voted for Bernie in the primary.

But in all those years I always realized that the candidate chosen by Democratic voters was far preferable to the one put forth by Republicans and I backed those candidates in hopes that they'd win.

Unless you believe that Trump is going to get you closer to the policies that Bernie champions, I can't figure out why you haven't come to a similar conclusion.

#108 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-08 05:45 PM | Reply

#108 You seem to think i'm not voting for Biden. No, i'm going to eat the DNC's ---- sandwich yet again because Donald Trump is a public health threat and an affront to humanity.

But that's not to say i am not profoundly disappointed with the candidate the DNC's centrist wing has chosen to throw their weight behind. And i have grave concerns about his ability to win. That's what i'm talking about here.

#109 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 05:56 PM | Reply

#104 I see Jeff Lite is here. Nobody (and i mean nobody) cares what you think, Jeff Lite.

#110 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 05:56 PM | Reply

Does it not occur to you Biden fans that the Pandemic has forced Socialized Medicine on the nation whether you like it or not. Would have been a whole lot smarter to have just passed Bernie's M4All. As it is taxpayers will be paying hugely exorbidant hospital bills being charged by hospitals owned by corporations.

#111 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-08 06:02 PM | Reply

"Joe Exotic" and "Jeff Lite" just made my day. Thank you gentlemen. Now continue your evisceration of the left and center-left. Donald thanks you for your hard work on his campaign.

#112 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 06:03 PM | Reply

#111 Biden folks want healthcare for everyone. Not sure where you found that talking point? Did Bernie email it to you?

#113 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 06:04 PM | Reply

But that's not to say i am not profoundly disappointed with the candidate the DNC's centrist wing has chosen to throw their weight behind.

You are sounding just like a Trump cultist. Joe Biden wasn't "picked" by the DNC, he was chosen by Democratic primary voters all over America. Very, very few of them belong to the DNC.

We all saw what happened. Joe Biden's campaign was dead in the water, he was flat broke after failing to even place in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada. South Carolinians resurrected him because he was the candidate they believed best. Biden went into Super Tuesday again broke, having no media in any of the major markets at play that day. White suburban voters, black voters, definitely women voters and former Bernie voters all individually made the choice to support Joe Biden and he won in states and by margins no one thought possible 10 days prior.

He was not chosen by the DNC, he was chosen by the voters. They had the opportunity to vote for Bernie, but the majority chose Joe. Once any candidate moves into an insurmountable lead, the party tends to coalesce around that candidate. So of course, now the DNC and centrist factions are backing Biden, but that was not the case. Bernie had the money, the enthusiasm and the fairest of shots when he was the frontrunner. He lost because the voters defeated him, not the DNC. When he needed it, the DNC didn't give Biden a dime.

#114 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-08 06:12 PM | Reply

"profoundly disappointed with the candidate"

Who cares?
Pay attention to the script, not the actor.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-08 06:14 PM | Reply

Joe Biden wasn't "picked" by the DNC

When i said the DNC's "centrist wing" i thought i was making it pretty clear i was talking about their voters.

You are devoting an awful lot of time typing responses to things i haven't said. Try reading before knee jerk responding.

#116 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 06:14 PM | Reply

#115 When that disappointment is based on a legitimate concern about his ability to win, I think that's worth caring about.

#117 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 06:19 PM | Reply

Joe voters are not a wing of the DNC. The DNC is the Democratic National COMMITTEE, not the Democratic Party. And even with that distinction, the majority of voters do not belong to the party nor identify as members of the party.

For a lawyer, you're the one who needs to be more precise with your word choices. I responded to what you wrote, not what you say that you meant.

#118 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-08 06:23 PM | Reply

#117 Perhaps you should write his campaign a letter advising them to tell every voter to Eff Off because they're Stupid Corporate Stooges?

#119 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 06:24 PM | Reply

Joe is a lawyer!!!!!????????

#120 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 06:25 PM | Reply

That's fair. Biden is not a woman, and whites already got their revenge for Obama -- plus revenge for Democrats then daring to add insult to injury by nominating a woman -- by electing Trump.

I don't see Biden having nearly as big the identity politics challenges to overcome.

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-08 06:27 PM | Reply

112

Poor Bruthe. I'm not bothering to eviscerate anyone.

And you're the one helping Trump, not me.

#122 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-08 06:28 PM | Reply

For a lawyer, you're the one who needs to be more precise with your word choices.

How many times have i said that my posts here aren't my work product? I don't have time to draft a definitions section to my post to aid the perpetually confused. In either case, I told you what I meant, so either go back and respond to what you know I said or just STFU already.

#123 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 06:37 PM | Reply

Thanks Bernie for waiting that extra day and endangering the lives of everyone that made a special effort to vote for you in the Wisconsin primary!

#124 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-08 06:40 PM | Reply

Yesterday:

Welp, the election is when the election is....

Today:

Thanks Bernie for waiting that extra day and endangering the lives of everyone that made a special effort to vote for you in the Wisconsin primary!

#124 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT

Also, you are aware that they was a supreme Court slot to fill, amongst other things on the ballot, right?

#125 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-08 06:44 PM | Reply

I like that the progressives here want Donald Trump to replace RBG on the supreme Court.

So does Donald Trump.

#126 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-08 06:45 PM | Reply

#124 Are you suggesting Wisconsin's election would have been canceled had Bernie dropped out?

Why was Pete Buttigieg on my ballot?

#127 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-08 06:51 PM | Reply

In either case, I told you what I meant, so either go back and respond to what you know I said or just STFU already.

Hey, you accused me of something you were guilty of. I responded to what you wrote, I referenced the DNC multiple times. There would have been no point to respond to your post if you'd written "centrist Democratic voters" instead of what you did.

Yesterday you repeatedly challenged me about something I learned of in high school, even asking me to do research for your edification. I did not tell you to STFU, I told you that it was no problem that you were unaware of what I knew to be true.

I only referenced you being a lawyer because your practice demands accuracy and precision in your work product. Everyone knows your job is not to blog anonymously, now you're just being insolent.

I was simply trying to have a discussion about something you obviously feel very passionate about. Sorry that doing so tripped your trigger.

#128 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-08 06:57 PM | Reply

Ahem.
Look at the bright side. Now that Bernie is off the campaign trail he can get back to all the nothing he's done in Congress for three damn decades.
/mic drop

#129 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-04-08 07:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Poor Bruthe. I'm not bothering to eviscerate anyone.
And you're the one helping Trump, not me.

#122 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2020-04-08 06:28 PM | REPLY

Stay tuned for the stuff that comes after the passive aggressive performative ignorance show! Coming straight out of Kansas to waste your time!

#130 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-08 07:05 PM | Reply

I'm suggesting that some voters showed up to vote specifically for or against Bernie.

#131 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-08 07:07 PM | Reply

Bernie saw that Americans didn't respond well to waiting in long lines for essential supplies like toilet paper, hand sanitizer and canned good and KNEW that socialism, which produces those conditions, would never work here.

bwahahahaha

#132 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2020-04-08 07:47 PM | Reply

I voted for Bernie here in the Washington primary.

Biden is like my 5th choice. We need the Orange traitor that currently occupies the White House to get smoked in the election in November.

If Trump wins the USA no longer exists but only in name.

I'm voting AGAINST TRUMP and the Grand Old Nazi Party by voting for Biden and every democrat whether I personally like them or not. Evil (the current GOnP) needs to be vanquished at the ballot box in November.

Vote blue no matter who, even if you have to hold your nose in the process of voting.

#133 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-04-08 07:50 PM | Reply

Ahem.
Look at the bright side. Now that Bernie is off the campaign trail he can get back to all the nothing he's done in Congress for three damn decades.
/mic drop

#129 | POSTED BY comrade GONOLES92

That's quite a hypocritical statement coming from an (R)tard that supports Moscow Mitch and the GOnP controlled senate.

#134 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-04-08 07:53 PM | Reply

134 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON
Flag: Easily baited with the truth.

Oh wait, Bernie did do something in Congress - he did help the NRA's agenda some of the time. Great werk.

#135 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-04-08 08:21 PM | Reply

"socialism, which produces those conditions"

Then how'd we get "long lines for essential supplies like toilet paper, hand sanitizer and canned goods?"

#136 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-08 08:35 PM | Reply

he did help the NRA's agenda some of the time. Great werk.

#135 | POSTED BY GONOLES92 AT

He helped Karl Marx's agenda.

The NRA wants people to be able to give their clients -- gun manufacturers -- money.

Bernie Sanders wants working people to be able to defend themselves.

No where close to being the same.

#137 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-08 08:35 PM | Reply

well to waiting in long lines for essential supplies like toilet paper, hand sanitizer and canned good and KNEW that socialism, which produces those conditions, would never work here.
bwahahahaha

#132 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU

You just described capitalism in Donald Trump's America.

Chew on that.

Really get a good feel for how it tastes.

#138 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-08 08:36 PM | Reply

Less "Acting" cabinet posts and interim state department/NatSec positions, more qualified professionals.
Easy choice.
#103 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Easy?
You voted against it in 2016.

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-08 08:37 PM | Reply

Flag: Easily baited with the truth.

Oh wait, Bernie did do something in Congress - he did help the NRA's agenda some of the time. Great werk.

#135 | POSTED BY comrade GONOLES92

The only bating you did is with mama palm and her 5 daughters.
You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit you on your extra wide lily white racist ---.
You're a troglodyte and Trump supporter, so you are not fooling anyone son.

#140 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-04-08 09:35 PM | Reply

You voted against it in 2016. #139 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

He would have the best people!
Ha...

#141 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-04-08 09:46 PM | Reply

This has nothing to do with me or my own excitement. You seem unable to understand that?

#99 | POSTED BY JOE

Bernie supporters always claimed he had it but it never seemed to pan out.

Which is why he's ending his campaign instead of accepting the nomination.

#142 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-09 12:19 AM | Reply

Sorry that doing so tripped your trigger.

#128 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Bernie bros are like that.

If you can't see the genius in their ideas that's your problem and they'll punish you for not seeing it as the genius it so clearly is.

#143 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-09 12:20 AM | Reply

"Professor" Irwin Corey is out!

#144 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-04-09 02:15 AM | Reply

He did not get enough VOTES! nothing else matters. If his support was not enough to win over Biden then it was def not enough to win over Trump.

#145 | Posted by THomewood at 2020-04-09 02:56 AM | Reply

This and to the progressive platform is the result of both parties actively inhibiting democracy, which is particularly rich now that we really require m4a. Sleepy Joe has his #metoo moment yet to become realized by the majority of voters, particularly clarifying why he refused witnesses to Anita Hill being the incredible hypocrite that he is. In my opinion Biden cannot intellectually or emotionally debate Trump and will be seriously trounced. This election has just been handed to Trump, imo.

We are about to witness a repeat of the last presidential election, only Biden has even less like ability and support than Clinton did. Moderates and centrists be damned.

#146 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-04-09 06:58 AM | Reply

We are about to witness a repeat of the last presidential election, only Biden has even less like ability and support than Clinton did. Moderates and centrists be damned.

No we're not. We're going to see an electorate energized beyond belief just like it was in 2018 - because a vast majority of Americans want Donald Trump out of the White House. 2020 is not an election of personality, it's an election of replacing incompetence with competence; of replacing ignorance with intelligence and foresight; of eliminating cronyism, criminality and graft with law abiding decency and accountability.

Joe Biden is not Hillary Clinton. Tens of thousands are now sentenced to death while we're watching this pandemic play out in real time day after dreadful day as Donald Trump refuses to do the very things proven to mitigate the crisis' impact - testing and letting the experts set policy, not his idiotic advisors who actually refuse to understand this is simply the first wave of the virus, nowhere near the last. Normal is not around the corner. Normal is in a universe far, far away at this point.

There will not be physical conventions this summer, there will be no crowds of screaming supporters. I don't know why skeptics like you can't see what is already crystal clear. Unless there is a vaccine, there will be no massing of people anywhere and certainly no political rallies like we're used to. This campaign will be fought on tv and the internet, one on one in split-screen. Joe Biden's calm demeanor in comparison to Trump's ignorance, obstinance and bluster will be the catharsis the nation needs in our time of maximum tumult.

He'll put talented people around him, reassuring Americans that even if he should slip, able hands are there to help guide him and us. I continue to shake my head when the crosstabs of Biden voters across America show a dream mix of all the desirous demographics but for the most fickle youth vote. If Biden was unelectable he wouldn't have won the primary with the level and diversity of support with which he did. The numbers and results don't lie. In 2016, Bernie's support continued to surge all the way to the convention. In 2020, his support waned as voters themselves moved to Biden even though Biden had no money, no in-state organizations, no advertisements and no excitement surrounding his campaign. It's ludicrous to say that voters won't vote for Biden when they already have, many times in record numbers all across America.

#147 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 07:22 AM | Reply

#147 TONYROMA

I completely agree that the only way Biden or Trump win the presidency is through a misinformed electorate. However, I entirely disagree on the premise that politicians aren't selected by personality rather than capability. Trump voters apparently all watched The Apprentice, something I loathed watching nearly as much as House, and he's just as acerbic. It's a facade though, Trump is a terrible businessman, but an excellent money launderer. Similarly Biden is an excellent "white whisperer" because he is in fact not well spoken but rather authoritarian and essentially Republican. Clyburn and Obama essentially handed South Carolina to Biden by misrepresenting Biden as any kind of civil rights warrior, and the voting turnout was abysmal. The irony being that Biden was against busing and worked with segregationists while Bernie actually fought for black rights, marched with MLK Jr and was even arrested for those protests. Biden lies about fighting for equal rights, never was part of any organization on behalf of civil rights protests and I really doubt Cornelius Pop was really that bad of a dude. Tara Reade's allegations deserve to be taken more seriously than Biden did to Anita Hill. Biden is a creep, not just a corporate whore.

You are resolved to the results of a sham vote in Wisconsin as the foreshadowing another sham presidency. I reluctantly agree, the differ on which fake populist will preside.

#148 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-04-09 08:07 AM | Reply

We're going to see an electorate energized beyond belief just like it was in 2018

#147 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2020-04-09 07:22 AM | FLAG:

The only energy seen so far is, oh god don't let Bernie win energy. Trumpers are more energized. Biden is probably a better choice as a leader, but he's a bad matchup for Trump.

#149 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-09 08:19 AM | Reply

Oh lawd. Funniest meme so far. "Four weeks into socialism and Bernie bails out".

#150 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-09 09:14 AM | Reply

Bernie berned out.

#151 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2020-04-09 09:25 AM | Reply

#148

I don't think anyone is confusing Joe Biden as a perfect candidate nor a perfect human being. Geeze, who among us hasn't changed from what we were 30 years ago? I get tired of rehashing ancient history through the lens of today. It's meaningless unless the person involved has shown no hints of evolution themselves, and that isn't the case with Biden.

Whatever Biden did in the past, he made his bones by being the faithful partner of Barack Obama, and people haven't forgotten that. You undermine your own case when you claim that somehow the folks in South Carolina changed the minds of everyone else all by themselves. Joe Biden was going to win in SC even if Jim Clyburn had not opened his mouth, though I'm sure in lesser numbers than he did with Clyburn's support. He was going to win because Uncle Joe was in the pews and sanctuaries of SC black churches while Bernie avoided the state like the plague.

Bernie's fatal mistake occurred in 2016 when he was first building his coalition. You are absolutely right, Bernie was actually there in Selma in 1963. He was a champion of civil rights, but he shunned his connection to the black community - particularly in the South - to chase white working class voters with his populist messaging. Many of these voters viewed civil rights and racial disparities as anathema to their own interests and emblematic of the federal government's overemphasis on grievance politics for every segmented community but for their own.

Black Americans, particularly black American woman are the backbone of the Democratic voting base, period. Imo, this is why Kamala Harris is going to be Biden's VP choice, which he pretty much telegraphed blatantly the other day. Join this sector with white suburban woman who are incensed by Trump's ignorance and misogyny, more mature voters and all those conservatives, moderates and independents chafing to remove the yoke and dysfunction of Trumpism once and for all, and I see a coalition very much like the blue wave of 2018 that swept a diversity of Democrats into office all across America regardless of their individual personalities led again by a record number of women candidates.

As I said, 2020 is an unmistakable referendum on Trump, and his glaring ineptness and narcissistic incompetence grows each day as this pandemic rages through our society. By November, Trump wouldn't be able to win an election for dog catcher as it looks. Reality will help defeat Trump more than enthusiastic support unable to be massed in the social distancing constrained streets and squares across America.

#152 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 09:27 AM | Reply

Hope y'all enjoy Trumps second term.

#153 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-04-09 10:07 AM | Reply

Hope y'all enjoy Trumps second term.

#153 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Yeah, Trump went to all he way to Ukraine, extorted their president and got himself impeached because he WANTS Joe Biden to be his opponent in November?

Trump's been touting Bernie and screaming at Warren for dropping out because he WANTS Joe Biden to be his opponent in November?

Did somebody drop you on your head?

#154 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 10:28 AM | Reply

I doubt Biden could find where he parked his car in a three story parking garage.

#155 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-09 10:39 AM | Reply

Well I'll be looking to dine at the Third Party Diner again this election as well.

#38 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Because there's no way would Trump ever intensify his attacks on the lgbtq community when he's not shackled by the chains of a reelection possibility.

#156 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-04-09 10:48 AM | Reply

"Well I'll be looking to dine at the Third Party Diner again "

Then no complaining if you get the same ---- sandwich.

#157 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-04-09 10:51 AM | Reply

#154 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I'll be happy if I'm wrong. But I think Joe has some pretty severe dementia going on.

#158 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-04-09 11:10 AM | Reply

I. Told. You.

#159 | Posted by MisterCarajo at 2020-04-09 11:36 AM | Reply

This is pretty clear evidence that the Bernie branch of the party needs to be ignored. There's no pleasing them.

#160 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-09 11:42 AM | Reply

#159 so did everyone else. He didn't win last time and was on track to lose even bigger this time.

#161 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-09 11:45 AM | Reply

We have to campaign as though the Bernie folks are Trumpers.

It's a kick in the teeth to say things like "Biden wasn't my first choice, but..." That's not a good start. Losers, all of you.

#162 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-09 11:47 AM | Reply

In my opinion Biden cannot intellectually or emotionally debate Trump and will be seriously trounced.

LOL no offense but that's not an opinion that's worth very much...

#163 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-09 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hope y'all enjoy Trumps second term.

#153 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Only if Bernie Bros take their ball and go home.

#164 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-09 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What needs to be understood by all the Bernie backers is that Russia and Trump trolls are going to bombard us all with propaganda and incendiary smear campaigns designed to create the impression that no Sanders supporters will back Joe Biden even as Bernie does his best to be a loyal and vocal supporter.

Many are going to buy into the coming campaigns, but they need to be realized for what they are. Go down a list of policies with Trump on one side and Biden on the other. Put a checkmark beside which candidate you think will do more to further what you'd like to see and which candidate will do the least. Unless unanimous synchronicity is your standard, it's fairly easy to guess which one is closer to your viewpoints than the other and more likely to move even further in your preferred direction.

Before it's said, I know, I know, this is the politics of incrementalism, something many want to see blown up. America is a broad diverse country that just doesn't move quickly politically because of the disproportionate power constitutionally given to rural states that bend very conservatively. This reality is not the Democrats' fault, nor any singular national candidate's. It stands as one of the reasons Bernie is 0 for 2 in presidential campaigns.

But make no mistake, Bernie's campaigns - along with other progressive candidates - has moved the conversation and the Democratic Party unmistakably to embrace a far more progressive agenda and wish list than was possible a decade ago. Granted, the problems caused by conservative ill-governing has exacerbated many many more. Such is the nature of American politics - which isn't likely to change until more voters agree with their ballots instead of with just their enthusiastic support for a candidate.

#165 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 01:02 PM | Reply

#165. You give him too much credit, imho. You're pandering to folks who don't care about anything but destroying you.

Instead, point to the strong record Dems have of standing up to GOP trickery and show how Dems work tirelessly to keep moving our country left.

What you're doing is self-defeating. It implies that Bernie, who is intellectually weak, is the only savior of the party.

#166 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-09 01:08 PM | Reply

"We have to campaign as though the Bernie folks are Trumpers."

That's because they pretty much are.

#167 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-09 02:42 PM | Reply

#152 TONYROMA

Every male pins women to a wall and then jams his fingers inside, it's something to expect out of every presidential candidate?! You didn't address this directly, I would like to understand how you believe this won't be brought up during a debate? Doesn't this also correlate with why he refused witnesses to Anita Hill? he's not beyond any length of corruption and I haven't even touched on his corporate payoff lifestyle. good ol sleepy Joe also instituted the private prison system that predates on Americans because of an outdated and quite honestly scientifically unfounded belief that drugs and drug users are bad, requiring incarceration and SWAT teams invading teenage raves while defending them a financial assistance for their education. I can't tell you how much I loathe Joe Biden possibly more than Trump, but when you make the claim that Sanders deliberately distanced himself from the civil Rights movement I see that you too are intellectually dishonest and willing to use outright lies. Sorry for being blunt but I don't mean to argue conjecture, setting aside how absurd your statements truly are at face value.

And Obama bringing O'Rourke and crew in was admittadly brilliant.

#163 JPW

That is your take away from everything I have ever posted!? Our very first discussion and possible argument circled around taking trains to work. You argued that electric trains and vehicles would be unwelcomed. I honestly thought you were crazy for thinking you could ------ progress, but here it is smack in my face - a reality that I apparently didn't expect to fester even amid scientific professionals.

#165 TONYROMA

I suppose I lack flexibility in that regard, particularly as I do not view myself anything like a conservative thinker there would be no comparison or deliberate methodology I could employ in becoming more like one. Perhaps a tumor might help? To match the avarice.

#168 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-04-09 03:06 PM | Reply

"Every male pins women to a wall and then jams his fingers inside, it's something to expect out of every presidential candidate?! You didn't address this directly, I would like to understand how you believe this won't be brought up during a debate?"

Don't be a cutie pie.

#169 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 03:08 PM | Reply

That is your take away from everything I have ever posted!?

No. Just the one I specifically quoted claiming our Stable Jenius DOTUS can debate in an intellectual and emotionally stable manner.

#170 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-09 03:18 PM | Reply

But I think Joe has some pretty severe dementia going on.

#158 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT AT 2020-04-09 11:10 AM

I hope you're wrong. Having said that he's racking up senior moments at a torrid pace.

#171 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-09 03:21 PM | Reply

I can't tell you how much I loathe Joe Biden possibly more than Trump, but when you make the claim that Sanders deliberately distanced himself from the civil Rights movement I see that you too are intellectually dishonest and willing to use outright lies.

I really wish people would learn how to read. I never said that Sanders distanced himself from the civil rights movement, I said he distanced himself from the black community by minimizing their concerns over those of white blue collar workers. He didn't put any effort into competing for votes in SC, and that hurt him at the ballot box. He didn't effectively reach out to southern black voters in 2016 either and got smeared then on Super Tuesday just like this year.

Do not mischaracterize my words when everyone can read them for themselves.

#172 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 05:04 PM | Reply

I find no proof to back up any of the Bernie Bro's claims. What an idiot.

#173 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-09 05:53 PM | Reply

no Sanders supporters will back Joe Biden

#165 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2020-04-09 01:02 PM | FLAG:

He'll be lucky to get half. Longing for a third party is trending significantly. Trump is at his weakest approval in a long time, but Biden can't hold rallies, doesn't fill stadiums if he did, and has at least a 15x smaller social media footprint.

#174 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-10 08:35 AM | Reply

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