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Thursday, April 09, 2020

Denver Post: President Donald Trump is treating life-saving medical equipment as emoluments he can dole out as favors to loyalists. It's the worst imaginable form of corruption -- playing political games with lives. For the good of this nation during what should be a time of unity, he must stop.

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"Donald Trump has made it clear that he processes reality in a different way than most human beings. When he says that if 100,000 people were to die from the coronavirus it would be a "victory" for him, he is revealing who he really is. He is showing that his perceived self-interest is the only thing that is ever on his mind. Insight into himself wouldn't make any sense to him"

Chauncey Devega, 04/09/2020

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2020-04-09 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump... prevented Colorado Gov. Jared Polis from securing 500 ventilators from a private company, instead, taking the ventilators for the federal government. Polis sent a formal letter pleading for medical equipment, but the president took the time [in a tweet] to make clear he was responding to a request from Gardner. We are left to believe that if Colorado didn't have a Republican senator in office, our state would not be getting these 100 ventilators.

How many ventilators would we be getting if we had a Republican governor and a second Republican senator? Would that indicate we had more Republican lives in our state worth saving for Trump and resources would start flowing? Should Utah be concerned that Sen. Mitt Romney voted to remove the president from office?

The federal government should be procuring medicine, masks, and ventilators and distributing them to states on a set formula based on population, rate of infection and need. Instead, Trump's messaging makes it feel as though he will watch with glee from the White House as people suffer in states being led by his enemies.

Does it really need to be said just how vile and unpresidential this sociopathic buffoon is acting? Every single American pays federal taxes out the ying-yang, but this Grifter-in-Chief is making life and death choices based on who kisses his ample derriere or which politicians in his party he can assist while dissing members of the opposition party?

I've got to realize that there really is no depth to Trump's depravity and self-serving inhumanity when it comes to all people and things that don't personally serve his interests.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As we work to find out the scope and goals of the White House's seizure of medical goods across the United States, a simpler pattern is coming into view: the White House seizes goods from public officials and hospitals across the country while doling them out as favors to political allies and favorites, often to great fanfare to boost the popularity of those allies.

Indeed, we still don't whether this is all a central part of the White House's crisis strategy " grabbing supplies from blue states to hand out to endangered Republicans or red state allies " or simply a layering of corruption over the general chaos.

New examples of confiscations or rerouted orders crop up almost every day. Here's one about a shipment of test kit materials bound for the PeaceHealth hospital system in the Pacific Northwest seized and shipped, purportedly, to the East Coast. The supplies would allow hospitals like Bellingham, Washington's St Joseph's Hospital to do tests on premises and more quickly ascertain who is COVID-positive and who's not. "Our analyzers remain idle, while we continue to send specimens to outside laboratory testing sites, prioritizing labs based on the shortest turnaround times," a spokesman for the hospital system told The Bellingham Herald.

For all the confusion, what is clear is that the federal government is demanding that states, localities and hospital systems find their own supplies while systematically interdicting those they do purchase and rerouting them in other directions while providing no explanation of what standards are being used to distribute them. At the same time, Republican officeholders keep turning up announcing windfalls of medical supplies courtesy of the President. In many cases, like Gardner, they're Republicans within blue or purple states.

Josh Marshall

I don't want to read another word about Democrats politicizing their criticisms of the Trump-led federal response to this pandemic. As with everything else that touches his orbit, Trump politicizes everything and always in a way that harms anyone or anything that doesn't serve his personal interests, with his chief personal interest being his own re-election and that of any Republican who curries his favor.

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

-I don't want to read another word about Democrats politicizing their criticisms of the Trump-led federal response to this pandemic.

If you stay on the right sites...maybe you can manage that.

LOL

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-09 03:54 PM | Reply

"the White House seizes goods from public officials and hospitals across the country while doling them out as favors to political allies and favorites, often to great fanfare to boost the popularity of those allies"

What's the exact worst opposite of a Nobel Peace Prize? Being damned to Hell?

Donald Trump is going to Hell.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2020-04-09 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Editorial: Trump is playing a disgusting political game with our lives

Pro tip: Don't read an editorial and take it as straight news.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-09 04:08 PM | Reply

Well there goes Faux News' business model...

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-09 04:11 PM | Reply

Pro tip: Don't read an editorial and take it as straight news.

I didn't. There have been multiple stories and reporting from all over the country of the feds confiscating orders from states and private entities through the use of emergency powers at the same time Trump has told the states to get their own supplies.

Maybe if you strayed from right wing garbage sites you might find actual real news every once and awhile.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Re: 8

What's Up with the Feds Seizing PPE Shipments to States and Hospitals?

There are numerous cases where orders placed by states or hospitals have been canceled after they have been outbid by federal authorities or federal authorities have ordered vendors to sell to the federal government. According to Kaiser Health News, those compelled sales appear to be pursuant to an executive order President Trump signed on March 18th under authorities granted by the Defense Production Act.

But what I'm more interested in are reports of federal authorities confiscating physical shipments en route to states, local governments or regional hospital systems. The most publicized case of this came at some point in March when, according to Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R), a shipment of 3 million masks ordered through BJ's Wholesale was seized by federal authorities in the Port of New York. Baker did not say which agency confiscated the goods or under what authority. That incident was what led to the widely reported and successful effort to fly goods in from China using the New England Patriots jet.

Another case happened just yesterday when the top county official in Somerset County, New Jersey, Freeholder Director Shanel Robinson, announced that a shipment of 35,000 masks had been confiscated by federal officials. According to this report in the Franklin Reporter and Advocate, "As of early in the afternoon of April 3, Robinson said that the county was told the surgical face masks would be delivered that day, but that the federal government had taken the N-95 masks."(links throughout)

Really Jeff, you're nothing but an ignorant joke these days, constantly sticking up for the derangement of Trump.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 04:51 PM | Reply

#9 From your own link:

Let's talk about these seizures of PPE goods by federal authorities. There are a number of instances of this and as I noted in the post below a number of reasons why it might be happening. There are numerous cases where orders placed by states or hospitals have been canceled after they have been outbid by federal authorities or federal authorities have ordered vendors to sell to the federal government. According to Kaiser Health News, those compelled sales appear to be pursuant to an executive order President Trump signed on March 18th under authorities granted by the Defense Production Act.

Really Jeff, you're nothing but an ignorant joke these days, constantly sticking up for the derangement of Trump.
#9 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I'm not the one posting op-eds and acting like they are straight-news, TPT.

Maybe if you strayed from right wing garbage sites you might find actual real news every once and awhile.

#8 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Says the guy who frequents The Palmer Report. LOL.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-09 04:56 PM | Reply

"There have been multiple stories and reporting from all over the country of the feds confiscating orders from states and private entities through the use of emergency powers at the same time Trump has told the states to get their own supplies."

Like water off a duck's back, TonyRoma.
Facts haven't worked on them in the past, and facts aren't going to start working on them now.

It was never about facts. It's always been about feelings.
Obama hurt their feelings. Trump is their revenge.
Trolling the libs is their concept of social justice.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 05:02 PM | Reply

I'm not the one posting op-eds and acting like they are straight-news, TPT.

The op-ed is based upon straight news Piss Boy. I tried to put OpEd before the post, but the it exceeded the limit. I didn't realize you were the Retort editorial police.

By the way, you're not. You're a pissant poster too drunk on Trump kool-aide to see beyond your belly.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 05:09 PM | Reply

Says the guy who frequents The Palmer Report. LOL.

Says the guy who posts John Solomon stories......

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 05:11 PM | Reply

JeffJ's only got two more toothless posts in search of a liberal ankle, until he starts giving us BBQ tips.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Feds Take All Of County's 35,000 Mask Order Targeted For Health Care Workers

3 million masks ordered by Massachusetts were confiscated in Port of New York, leading to creative alternative

Gov. Jared Polis: FEMA took our ventilators out from under us

Seriously, GFY Jeff.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 05:16 PM | Reply

Here come the BBQ Tips!

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 05:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Seriously, GFY Jeff.
#15 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

What about Chy-Nuh taking all the masks? Why don't you want to discuss that?!?!

-Jeff

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-09 05:19 PM | Reply

In all seriousness, though, it's quite sad to see how desperate they've become to downplay info.

Whining about it being an editorial? Ultimate STS and, frankly, not a very good one. What's discussed is known current events.

That is unless you're afraid of acknowledging said information and choose weak deflections instead.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-09 05:31 PM | Reply

Whining about it being an editorial?

One look at the title alone should have been a clue that the article would likely be an opinion piece.

I guess his tender sensibilities were bruised because I didn't spell it out for him before he was exposed to its contagion.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 05:43 PM | Reply

People stay civil. That's always the call on us as Americans. Disagree, but keep.it civil. Behind that is a corrupt and dangerous tendency by Trump and repubs in general to game this as a way to punk everyone else.

Their actions are anything but civil, Trump is commandeering ventilators and protective equipment like a wartime emperor in total defiance of open markets and civil law.
This is a corrupt and divisive offense against
law and good governance.
Trump should be impeached again and again,until it sticks.

#20 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-09 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

One of the big questions hovering over this medical supply and PPE shortage story is how much of this is just chaos and mismanagement versus some sort of more organized bad acting. It's simply not clear. This morning I heard from a board member of a regional private hospital system who said these seizures aren't just happening. They're commonplace. Seemingly bordering on routine. To paraphrase this person's account it's searching high and low everywhere to find supplies and on those rare occasions when you strike gold the feds are likely to jump in and grab your stuff anyway. Hearing this my sense " not the source's words " is that it's almost like FEMA and whatever other agencies are doing this are using these desperate buyers as their involuntary lead generators. Let them find the stuff and when you see a shipping order surface, grab it.

What seems just as likely, or perhaps a minimum version of the story is that the White House has created a highly chaotic and disorganized process and then Trump and Jared Kushner have layered over that a thin blanket of their own corruption, the commerce in favors and mutual back scratching and paydays that are the mother's milk of Trumpism.

(A)gain and again we hear of friends reaching out to Jared or Trump and suddenly getting a shipment. It's worth noting that one of these cases was some unnamed friend of Trump reaching out about a shortage in the public hospital system in New York City. Trump gave it to Jared and suddenly a shipment was on the way. They talked up this story in that press briefing where Jared was the special guest.

Basically the White House won't share anything about what framework is used on the confiscation or distribution side of this equation. The most they'll say is that they're using some version of big data' to do it in a totally coherent, awesome way. But the details we get make it sound like the oldest sort of system: distribution by friendship networks, patronage, the generosity of the powerful in exchange for future considerations.

Josh Marshall

The days simply aren't long enough to keep up with all of Trump's grafting and corruption.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 07:57 PM | Reply

#21 From the link:

But is this some big plan to bogart the supplies of the blue states and ship them to the red states? As of yet we haven't seen clear and consistent evidence of that. Am I suspicious? Highly. And the folks getting their supplies grabbed are too. But we've yet to see the proof.

"But we've yet to see the proof." That is quite the admission. And it really pretty much kills the entire point of Marshall's piece in the first place. It's nothing more than slander by speculation.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-09 08:02 PM | Reply

That is quite the admission.

Yes Jeff, it's the difference between beyond a reasonable doubt and a preponderance of the evidence.

Liberals are honest that way, but life seldom gives you 100% certainty about anything until it does.

Would you like to tell us what the factually known and circumstantial evidence says to you that's happening?

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 08:16 PM | Reply

"But we've yet to see the proof."

You've yet to see the proof Facebook memes influenced any voters, JeffJ.
That is quite the admission.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 08:25 PM | Reply

"Would you like to tell us what the factually known and circumstantial evidence says to you that's happening?"

JeffJ is not going to comment until the Inspector General's report comes out.
It's all part of his "fair and balanced" shtick.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 08:30 PM | Reply

Once again, Trump is playing chess while we are all just playing checkers!

#26 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-04-09 08:32 PM | Reply

A common tactic in chess is called the Sacrifice.

Trump is heartbroken he can't find a way to sacrifice California.
Looks like Florida might be where he makes his last stand.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 08:37 PM | Reply

Would you like to tell us what the factually known and circumstantial evidence says to you that's happening?

#23 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

There are plenty of possibilities. By far the most likely is incompetence. There could also be legitimate reasons for it, which is a point that John Marshall concedes in your #9 c/p. I doubt it's grift, although Trump is certainly a grifter as his past has clearly shown.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-09 08:50 PM | Reply

"I doubt it's grift, although Trump is certainly a grifter as his past has clearly shown."

^
Lucy is playing five dimensional chess, compared to Charlie Brown here.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 08:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The problem with all the righties like Jeff is that they try to argue every single aberrant thing that Trump does as if it was a one-off, as though the full body of his actions haven't already been proven true. Trump is impeached for trying to extort another country to help him politically, something no one before would ever excuse any President for but for this one. Scandal after scandal, outrage after outrage, to the point far too many have become numb from spinning around in his daily whirlwind.

I just finished watching news stories from 2009 after Obama was inaugurated. In 2008 before the election, TARP passed the House with both Democratic and Republican votes with members of both parties also voting against it.

Month later the stimulus package he proposed to help our economy and struggling people was passed with only Democratic votes even after extensive attempts to find common ground with the Republicans. The Republicans to a person voted against it. Democrats didn't say that the GOP wanted Americans to suffer though, just that their philosophical belief that belt-tightening would be a better course ignored the history of the Keynesian policy which helped extricate the US from the Great Depression (along with WWII).

Yet today, the righties post multiple threads trying to condemn the Democrats for wanting to address more than just the SBA loan shortfall with the pending legislation, as being some subversive political act with intent to harm the loan recipients.

It's all right there in recent history, yet they'll even ignore when Trump verbally contradicts himself - sometimes within minutes - and then calls the person re-quoting him a liar without even batting an eye. And then argue it's the left who doesn't tell the truth.

#30 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 08:56 PM | Reply

"they try to argue every single aberrant thing that Trump does as if it was a one-off"

JeffJ is part of the Trump Defense Team.
His contribution is to slow down the video of the Rodney King beating so it doesn't look so bad.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 09:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#28

I give you that it's possible, but not probable based on what we already know from other circumstances. Again, how can anyone believe that Trump is an honest broker of anything when he is intellectually unable to understand when he's doing unlawful things and regulators are doing their jobs by pointing it out, it's not because they feel any way about him, it's about them doing their jobs as they're supposed to?

He has a blatant disregard for any law that he disagrees with, so in what universe should anyone think that confiscating and re-routing life giving supplies is simply incompetence? Trump bathes in his malevolence toward those he views as enemies. He tells the world that governors should be nice to him or the federal government shouldn't take their calls.

A rational person cannot give someone like Trump the benefit of the doubt because he's already told us there is nothing to doubt, everything he does is about him.

#32 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 09:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The problem with all the righties like Jeff is that they try to argue every single aberrant thing that Trump does...

I'm not big on conjecture. I want proof, not speculation.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-09 09:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I want proof, not speculation.

The proof is that the supplies ordered by and for others were not received. And those expecting them were all informed that the federal government had taken them. That's proof.

Proof, is the call memo that Trump released himself where he asks President Zelensky for a favor "though." That's proof. Proof is the litany of people who testified under oath that what Trump tried to and did do violated multiple US laws and regulations.

Proof, is the public release of Trump expenditures for visits to his own properties (and nowhere else) putting untold millions into his own business coffers - often charging us, the taxpayers, at exorbitant rates, not because he HAS to be there, only because he decides to be there for his own pleasure. That's proof.

And I could go on and on until tomorrow. None of it speculation, all of it proof of things that inarguably happened.

You don't want proof because you can't help tripping over proof when it comes to things that Trump does because he doesn't even try to hide it.

#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-09 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#34

Summary: Orange Man Bad!

#35 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-04-09 09:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm not denying that it happened. The speculation is why did it happen. You don't know.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-09 09:42 PM | Reply

"I'm not denying that it happened."

You have proof that it happened, then?
???

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 09:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The speculation is why did it happen."

Why did it happen?
"Incompetence" is not an answer.
Incompetence is merely saying they didn't do an effective job of doing whatever it was they set out to do.

So let's say they did do it with incompetence.
What is "it?"
What were they trying to do, when they incompetently did the thing you don't deny happened?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 09:52 PM | Reply

Incompetence would not result in a distribution of results where only blue state recipients didn't lose out on life saving supplies to red states.

But that is math, something that conservatives don't understand.

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-04-09 10:01 PM | Reply

Republicans have been running on a platform of Plausible Deniability since Lee Atwater's famous interview.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-09 10:06 PM | Reply

The problem with all the righties like Jeff is that they try to argue every single aberrant thing that Trump does as if it was a one-off, as though the full body of his actions haven't already been proven true.

It's bigger than that.

Take global warming. They dismiss it in much the same way, by taking bits and pieces in isolation and nitpicking it to death.

Couple that with a conscientious effort to never see the forest and you have righties.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-09 10:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I'm not big on conjecture. I want proof, not speculation.

#33 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

How many Dem governor requests being denied followed by Repub Senator requests being granted has to happen before you drop the game?

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-09 10:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

.... pretending that Pelosi and Co are not playing disgusting political games.

#43 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-04-10 12:04 AM | Reply

#41 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2020-04-09 10:46 PM

That brush you are painting with is broader than the side of a house.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 12:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Provide some proof. That should be a pretty low bar to step over.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 12:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

.... pretending that Pelosi and Co are not playing disgusting political games.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) unveiled a blueprint yesterday for an emergency package that would give the administration the $250 billion for the Paycheck Protection Program, but they want the same bill to include an additional $100 billion for hospitals, community health centers, and health systems; an additional $150 billion for aid to cash-strapped states and local governments; and a 15% increase in SNAP food-stamp benefits. www.msnbc.com
Does that look like a disgusting political game to you?

Making sure unemployed Americans have food? That hospitals et_al. get needed funding while being inundated with Covid patients and testees? Helping state and local governments pay for the supplies that Trump says they need to find themselves?

You are one ignorant, ignorant rube to even print that without actually looking at what the Democrats are trying to include in this funding bill that the Republicans oppose for God knows what reasons.

Helping distressed Americans and our overstressed state and local governments and hospitals is disgusting? No Msgt, you're the one who's disgusting.

#46 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-10 12:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#46 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

You are giving them a benefit of the doubt you'd never even come close to affording Republican lawmakers.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 12:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

You are giving them a benefit of the doubt you'd never even come close to affording Republican lawmakers.

Why would you say that? Did I make one false assertion about the Republican part that was never even negotiated with the Democrats at all? I didn't accuse the Republicans of not having taken the time to do it right the first time. If they'd have listened then, they wouldn't need to go back now.

The Democrats have been wholly transparent with their priorities and the need to adjust on the fly because this situation is very fluid and there are Americans who really can't wait for assistance.

If the Democrats had been as inept with actuating their stimulus in 2009 like the GOP is today, you'd have blown a gasket then. Are you keeping up with the news? The banks administering the loan program in question are telling applicants that the maximum amount available is $15,000 when it's supposed to be up to millions. Applicants are being turned down or told they'll have to wait. It's in multiple front page news stories right now.

Basically, it's a cluster, and it's a cluster because the government does not have enough competent people in place to coordinate and run programs that millions of Americans now need to survive because the GOP decided to gut the government. I posted threads about the GOP intentionally depopulating government and now when it's needed, no one left knows how to make it function with efficiency for the scale necessary during a crisis this size.

You see the thread on the front page that 1/3 of rents have gone unpaid so far in April. The first checks should have been out the door within a week of the bill's signing. They still aren't out, and on and on and on, nothing but a morass of incompetence and inability just like at the top.

So no, the GOP doesn't get any benefit of the doubt because they've already broadcast their disbelief in the need for functioning government prepared for worst case scenarios. So it's entirely no surprise that they can't make it work when the entire country depends on it to do just that for hundreds of millions all at the same time. You built this and cheered as it was going up. Hope you like it. Hope it doesn't kill the rest of us.

#48 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-10 12:55 AM | Reply

"Brevity is the soul of wit"

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 12:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

That brush you are painting with is broader than the side of a house.

#44 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

It's a tactic I see frequently used and one you employ regularly.

Provide some proof. That should be a pretty low bar to step over.

#45 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Yawn.

What, you think there's going to be a signed letter from Trump explicitly stating that that's what they're doing?

How are you so old yet so childishly naive?

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-10 12:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Brevity is the soul of wit"

#49 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Just skulk away like Nulli when you have nothing to say.

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-10 01:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just because Republicans are behaving in a totally cynical manner doesn't mean Democrats are doing the same thing. The fundamental difference between the parties is that Democrats see government as a tool to make our lives better. Republicans think the only thing the government should do is protect the property of the rich, e.g., police, armed forces to protect their overseas "colonies", courts to enforce their contracts. They couldn't care less about the General Welfare. They do not believe in "all [people] are created equal" or "one man one vote". They do not believe in democracy and they do not believe in "personal freedom" for anyone but white male gun owners. But they do believe in restricting the rights of anyone who doesn't look like them and doesn't believe as they do.

#52 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2020-04-10 01:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Just skulk away like Nulli when you have nothing to say.

#51 | POSTED BY JPW

I've had plenty to say on this thread. Just scroll up. I'm calling for proof, not conjecture. As a scientist I would think that would resonate with you. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 01:16 AM | Reply

It's a tactic I see frequently used and one you employ regularly.

Hilarious! *Jeff holds a mirror up to JPW's face*

What, you think there's going to be a signed letter from Trump explicitly stating that that's what they're doing?

Did I say that? I expect "anonymous sources" to at least be quoted that Trump is grifting behind the scenes, or whatever. At this point we don't even have that.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 01:19 AM | Reply

Cash-starved hospitals and doctor groups cut staff amid coronavirus crisis

Federal agencies have proved ill equipped to move money quickly to where it is needed most.

Small Businesses Wait for Cash as Disaster Loan Program Unravels

Here's your brevity - The GOP can't run government anywhere but into the ground.

#55 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-10 01:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And, to be clear, I absolutely am open to the possibility that Trump is either grifting with this or is, at the very least, practicing Chicago-machine politics of rewarding friends and punishing enemies. Just give me something more than lazy conjecture.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 01:20 AM | Reply

The GOP can't run government anywhere but into the ground.
#55 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I don't know if this still holds since this pandemic started...a couple of months ago the top 10 governors with the highest approval ratings in their states were all Republicans.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 01:22 AM | Reply

Talking about the federal government Jeff. You'll get no argument from me about the states. People get the government they're willing to pay for locally and statewide. Most governors are decent stewards because they're held accountable. If not, they don't get re-elected.

#58 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-10 01:32 AM | Reply

#58 Fair enough, Tony.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 01:32 AM | Reply

Just give me something more than lazy conjecture.

Jeff, his tweet about Cory Gardner is proof. Trump says it in his own words. On one hand the feds steal the shipment from the Democratic governor after telling him to get his own supplies, and then Trump announces that he's "giving" the state 1/5th of what they purchased due to their Republican-up-for-re-election Senator asking him.

That isn't lazy conjecture, it's a smoking gun. Here's another one:

Florida succeeds over other states in acquiring supplies for coronavirus response

Trump says Florida is getting more supplies because it's been more aggressive.

As States Beg For Medical Supplies, Florida Gets All It Requested

Massachusetts has received 17 percent of what it requested, Maine just 5 percent, and the shipment sent to Colorado was only enough for "one full day of operations," according to the Post. We've also heard public pleadings from the governors in Washington, Michigan and Louisiana.

[Florida] submitted a request on March 11 for 430,000 surgical masks, 180,000 N95 respirators, 82,000 face shields and 238,000 gloves, among other supplies " and received a shipment with everything three days later, according to figures from the state's Division of Emergency Management. It received an identical shipment on March 23, according to the division, and is awaiting a third.

"The governor has spoken to the president daily, and the entire congressional delegation has been working as one for the betterment of the state of Florida," said Jared Moskowitz, the emergency management division's director. "We are leaving no stone unturned."

There are plenty more stories where those came from. You're serious unaware of what Trumps' been doing in plain sight?

#60 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-10 01:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Florida?

All of the snowbirds, who happen to be the most at-risk, are in Florida this time of year.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 02:24 AM | Reply

JEFFJ

April is the month the snowbirds (from New York) start moving back home.

This time they might be asking themselves . . . "back home to what?"

Gov. DeSantis gave stats that the air traffic from New York is fleeing south to excape the virus.

So here's a frightening possibility. Not only are they not moving north, there's more who are moving south. Two non-stop flights a day, not to mention the layovers from Atlanta.

DeSantis has proposed quarantine but he has no control over who comes in by automobile.

#62 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-04-10 03:32 AM | Reply

"Trump is playing a disgusting political game."

Of course he is. Why would anybody expect anything more from Trump. His mental condition(s) would never allow him to do otherwise.

This pandemic is a golden opportunity for Trump to punish blue state governors and reward red state governors . . . as we've already seen. He's get's a perverse pleasure out of watching people beg.

His other pleasure is the life and death control he has over people's lives. This is a sickness that goes well beyond political and crashes head-on into his God syndrome.

The word "disgusting" doesn't even scratch the surface. It's more like the depths of depravity.

#63 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-04-10 03:57 AM | Reply

"I'm calling for proof, not conjecture."

You can't prove the moon landing happened.
You simply choose to accept it as fact.

This is how you operate politically:
You believe what you want to believe,
You lament there's insufficient proof when you don't want to believe.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-10 04:52 AM | Reply

"Just give me something more than lazy conjecture."

The following statement is not conjecture:
Florida is all but required for Trump to win 270 Electoral College votes.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-10 04:57 AM | Reply

I'm calling for proof, not conjecture. As a scientist I would think that would resonate with you. Maybe I'm wrong about that.
#53 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

What P-Value or other statistical measurement do you consider sufficient to demonstrate proof?
Since you can't answer that, we can conclude you don't even know what you're asking for.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-10 04:59 AM | Reply

SNOOFY

The probability factor is too fluid at the moment to be useful. The best factor is "if all goes as planned" . . . ~~ and, anytime dirty politics are involved, we all know the pitfalls of that happening.

Why don't you guys give it a rest and stop ragging on each other. Nobody knows nuttin' at the moment.

#67 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-04-10 05:44 AM | Reply

We deserve it all.

#68 | Posted by fresno500 at 2020-04-10 06:23 AM | Reply

Florida?

This is precisely what I was referring to in post #30. I answered Jeff's question with multiple examples and then he settles on ONE as though all the other direct evidence ancillary to the big picture doesn't exist in the same universe.

The point of my answer was not that Florida shouldn't ask for and receive what they need, it was that on March 11 when Florida received the first of THREE federal government deliveries to the state through the end of March, the state government refused to issue mitigation orders and was freely allowing the public to mass at beaches and wherever else they wanted in defiance of known protocols for lessening the spread of the virus. Secondly, there was no pressing crisis in Florida in March while states all over America were seeing their health systems struggle to care for and treat sick victims and whose frontline health care providers were rationing PPE and putting their own lives and health in jeopardy so that Florida could stockpile what they'd need later on.

Jeff knows what's going on in his own city's hospitals as they struggled to treat Covid patients in March and now, yet Florida deserves to-your-door Amazon Prime type service to warehouse federal goods while others like Colorado received "one day's worth of supplies" that are being used up almost before they arrive?

What about Trump's own words? He openly tells you his feelings but it then becomes conjecture because he doesn't articulate the related thoughts into one exact sentence?

In Exchange for Aid, Trump Wants Praise From Governors He Can Use in Campaign Ads

President Trump on what he wants from the governors: "All I want them to do, very simple, I want them to be appreciative. I don't want them to say things that aren't true. I want them to be appreciative. We've done a great job.... We have done a job the likes of which nobody's seen," Trump said. "I think they should be appreciative, because you know what, when they're not appreciative to me, they're not appreciative to the Army Corps, they're not appreciative to FEMA, it's not right."

Trump says he told Pence not to call governors who aren't appreciative' of White House coronavirus efforts

When you put Trump's actions together with his words the obvious, unmistakable conclusion of his intent is clear. Nothing Trump does or says is a one-off, everything is part of a consistent pattern in service of him, not the needs of the people and places he deems to be his political enemies.

#69 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-10 08:01 AM | Reply

And to be clear, this is not to disparage Florida's right to have their needs met for the sake of their citizens. The point is that in procurement during a pandemic, supplies should be sent to where they're needed most at the time they're needed most since more supplies should always be coming online as each day passes.

It's a matter of need and priority, and during the time in question, Florida's need was nowhere near the front of the line of all the states' immediate pandemic needs. Yet they got 5-star service and openly advertised that they spoke lovingly and appreciatively to and about Trump every single day.

#70 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-10 08:08 AM | Reply

JeffJ is not going to comment until the Inspector General's report comes out.

It's all part of his "fair and balanced" shtick.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 20

JEFF is a member of the far-right wing.

He likes to treat that as a guilty pleasure.

#71 | Posted by Zed at 2020-04-10 08:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There are plenty more stories where those came from. You're serious unaware of what Trumps' been doing in plain sight?
#60 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I answered Jeff's question with multiple examples and then he settles on ONE as though all the other direct evidence ancillary to the big picture doesn't exist in the same universe.
#69 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

LOL like I said, that's his MO. Show him evidence, he'll latch on to one thing to nitpick about one part and walk away from the whole thing declaring his exacting standards unmet.

BTW Jeff, as a scientist I know that proof is only useful in mathematics. Proof isn't a word you should ever mutter in a scientific context.

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-10 11:25 AM | Reply

72

As a scientist, how do you rate this site when it comes to respecting science? This being a political blog and all....

#73 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-10 11:33 AM | Reply

Jeff is one of the only people left in the world shameless enough to still, after all this time, give Trump the benefit of the doubt and pretend there might be noble or innocuous reasons behind obvious misdeeds.

All you need to do is read Trump's own words and take them at face value to conclude that he is playing political games with federal Coronavirus relief efforts.

"I tell him " I mean I'm a different type of person " I say, Mike, don't call the governor in Washington, you're wasting your time with him. Don't call the woman in Michigan,'" Trump said. "If they don't treat you right, I don't call."
Jeff can't (or won't) read. Why?

#74 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-10 12:03 PM | Reply

#73 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Hmmm good question.

Better than your average lay audience. With the exception of expected hot button issues like GW.

I think people are here because they're more inquisitive and knowledge seeking than average. Tends to make science matter more.

Although I do see it abused by both sides in attempts to support a desired position.

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-10 12:11 PM | Reply

Jeff can't (or won't) read. Why?
#74 | POSTED BY JOE

Jeff's Party over country, cult loyalty, blinds him to anything negative about Trump.

In the end. Jeff is one of Trump's most fervent supporters.

It's funny. Back in 2016 Nulli told Jeff he shouldn't have lied about being a #NeverTrumper.

#76 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-04-10 01:05 PM | Reply

I think people are here because they're more inquisitive and knowledge seeking than average.

I think most people are here because they mistyped the URL to the drudge report.

Not disagreeing with you btw, just thought it was funny.

#77 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-10 01:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wonder if Federal allocation of PPE/ventilators between states is publicly available, probably not. If such data were available, it wouldn't be that hard to figure out if allocation was related to political party or the upcoming election.

There really should be some standardized, needs based process for states to acquire medical supplies from the Feds. Anything more robust than just call Trump up as kiss his ass, which Trump himself has eluded to as the most effective.

#78 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-04-10 01:16 PM | Reply

It is on the back page.

#79 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-10 01:49 PM | Reply

This is just more impeachable behavior. Trump thinks that as a result of him being 'totally exonerated' by the Republican-controlled Senate after the 'witch hunt' (AKA impeachment trial), that he's now been 'inoculated' against any future attempts to reign in his behavior or actions.

OCU

#80 | Posted by OCUser at 2020-04-10 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump should never have lasted in office this long. GOP supporters are as much frauds as their fuhrer.

This is just evil ---

#81 | Posted by arthurmann at 2020-04-10 02:48 PM | Reply

It is on the back page.

#79 | Posted by visitor_

Found it. I'll take a look at this over the weekend.

#82 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-04-10 03:11 PM | Reply

I think most people are here because they mistyped the URL to the drudge report.
Not disagreeing with you btw, just thought it was funny.

#77 | POSTED BY JOE

LOL initially, yes. That's how I ended up here almost fourteen years ago (holy -----...).

But that's not what kept us here.

#83 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-10 03:26 PM | Reply

I think most people are here because they mistyped the URL to the drudge report.

GUILTY.

#84 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-04-10 03:37 PM | Reply

Jeff is one of the only people left in the world shameless enough to still, after all this time, give Trump the benefit of the doubt and pretend there might be noble or innocuous reasons behind obvious misdeeds.....

#74 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2020-04-10 12:03 PM

After 3 years of -------- screaming of "Criminal conspiracy collusion with Russia!!!" only to have it be a bunch of crap I've set the bar a little higher than mere conjecture.

Show. Me. Proof. It's really not a high bar to hurdle.

#85 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 03:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Show. Me. Proof.
#85 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You'll never accept our proof, JeffJ.
Carter Page plead guilty, but you don't consider that proof of his guilt!

What you're asking us to do is really just your way of deflecting from the fact pattern of dots you don't want to connect.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-10 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Carter Page plead guilty, but you don't consider that proof of his guilt!

Carter Page wasn't even charged with a crime.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-04-10 04:15 PM | Reply

Sorry, Michael Flynn,
That's the a guy asking for his guilty plea to be revoked.
You don't accept his own guilty plea as proof of guilt.

Likewise you won't accept any link or story about Trump seizing PPE and redistributing it to his allies and cronies as proof of guilt.
You wouldn't even accept a guilty plea from Trump as proof, like you didn't from Michael Flynn.

Thanks for reading and understanding.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-10 04:21 PM | Reply

#85 Are you denying that Trump is a malevolent, vindictive, hyperpartisan liar? Because that's the only point i'm making - that such a person doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt after proving how immutably stained his soul is with those characteristics for three years.

#89 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-10 04:45 PM | Reply

#85 Are you denying that Trump is a malevolent, vindictive, hyperpartisan liar?

No, of course not!
He's merely said "I doubt it's grift, although Trump is certainly a grifter as his past has clearly shown."
You see, he's careful to acknowledge there may have been grift in the past, but like any good investor knows, past performance is no guarantee of future results!
It's as if he really, truly believes he's smarter and more insightful than we are, with this routine.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-10 05:01 PM | Reply

I think most people are here because they mistyped the URL to the drudge report.
GUILTY.
#84 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You should check out war games dot com!

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-10 05:24 PM | Reply

Are you denying that Trump is a malevolent, vindictive, hyperpartisan liar?

#89 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04

Yes.

Or, worse, that these are secretly valued traits.

#92 | Posted by Zed at 2020-04-10 05:36 PM | Reply

Not secretly.

#93 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-10 05:41 PM | Reply

Not secretly.

#93 | Posted by Effeteposer at

There's much about Donald's insanity some people want elevated to normal. Badly.

There's an enormous amount of debate possible about what it means to be an American.

Having said that, Donald Trump is not one.

#94 | Posted by Zed at 2020-04-10 05:50 PM | Reply

Says the guy who frequents The Palmer Report. LOL.

I'm not big on conjecture. I want proof, not speculation.

#10 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Notice I never use the word "proof." I don't use it because it's a standard beyond the reach of ordinary human capacity. It should never be used outside of mathematics, or in the legal sense in a court of law. Instead we should say, "evidence sufficient to convince a reasonable person." We should all become reasonable people. Speculation is not a conclusion, it is not something to be jumped to, it is something that should be weighed judiciously and considered with wisdom in the light of evidence, and only deemed worthy if it's strong and withstands rigorous and earnest attempts to refute it, and rejected if it does not. Nature has given us lots of time to think. Let's use that time. And, as ever, ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, comrades and friends, stay safe.

Bill Palmer

Of course you want proof Jeff. And Bill Palmer just made a well-reasoned case that you're rather foolish for doing so. LOL.

#95 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-10 07:42 PM | Reply

There's No Such Thing As Proof In The Scientific World - There's Only Evidence

"Proof" implies that there is no room for error " that you can be 100% sure that what you have written down on the piece of paper is 100% representative of what you are talking about.

And quite simply, that doesn't exist in the real world.

www.forbes.com

Keep clammoring for proof Jeff. It's a fool's errand.

#96 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-04-11 12:12 PM | Reply

Keep clammoring for proof Jeff. It's a fool's errand.

Yep, it didnt work for Hillary's crimes, why should it work for Trump?

#97 | Posted by boaz at 2020-04-11 03:20 PM | Reply

And people in the Red States won't care unless they start dying in droves in their home counties...

#98 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-04-11 10:27 PM | Reply

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