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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Sunday, April 26, 2020

On Friday, thousands of Wisconsinites gathered outside the state capitol to protest Democratic Gov. Tony Ever's extension of the state's stay-at-home order to May 26. That same day, Wisconsin reported over 300 new cases of COVID-19, bringing the state's total to over 5,400 confirmed cases. The protest was planned, funded, and promoted in part by Wisconsin Republicans and other prominent conservatives, including economist Stephen Moore, a member of President Donald Trump's economic recovery task force, who told The Times an anonymous donor in Wisconsin will pay the legal fees for any protester who is arrested.

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Photos of the event show protesters standing close together, many (most?) with no masks.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-04-25 01:37 PM | Reply

No one that participated should have the right to treatment if they contract the virus. Why should those a******s get to endanger healthcare workers when they refused to follow the advice of those same healthcare workers? At some point even idiots have to own the results of their own stupidity and arrogance.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-25 02:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

They are so brave now. Wait until covid is widespread and the mass graves fill up.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2020-04-25 02:33 PM | Reply

Can't wait for the wave of go fund me pages and tearful facebook videos from relatives of these idiots trying to pay for funeral expenses and urging people to stay home, this is serious!

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-25 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

40 COVID cases now linked to voting day just in Milwaukee County?
www.wuwm.com

#5 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-25 03:34 PM | Reply

Does anybody know if they've linked COVID cases to protests that took place last weekend?

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-25 03:35 PM | Reply

@#6

Probably too soon to tell.

Give it another week or two to get through an incubation period.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-04-25 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Glad to see them standing so close to each other.

#8 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-25 04:19 PM | Reply

told The Times an anonymous donor in Wisconsin will pay the legal fees for any protester who is arrested.

What about their medical bills?

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-04-25 04:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Must all be republicans because we know that dems are too lazy to return to work if they can avoid it ; )

#10 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-04-26 11:22 AM | Reply

The truth is, the vast majority of these people haven't really lost anything but their ability to go out to a ball game, or Applebees. Though their revenue stream may have been delayed, thanks to the stimulus, most of them will still be taking in more than enough money to live.

The people who are really upset by this, the plutocrats who rely on these people as wage slaves to pad there coffers, are the ones who are really behind stirring the discontent.

#11 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-04-26 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"who told The Times an anonymous donor in Wisconsin will pay the legal fees for any protester who is arrested."

I wonder if Deplorables believe that's true.

You know, since they are so reluctant to believe anonymous sources critical of Trump...

Anyway, an easy workaround is the protesters should be charged with civil offenses that don't necessitate arrest.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-26 12:24 PM | Reply

Must all be republicans because we know that dems are too lazy to return to work if they can avoid it ; )

#10 | Posted by MSgt

Must be republicans because only republicans are so devoid of empathy or selflessness that they'd demand they go back to "normal" at the expense of other people's lives and well being.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-26 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Must all be republicans because we know that dems are too lazy to return to work if they can avoid it ; )"

A*****e so full of s**t. I'm a Dem and I've been back at work for over a week, my whole family has worked during the entire Pandemic. You're just a typical Republican a*****e, trying to pretend you have a better work ethic, better morals, etc. when, in truth, you're just a f*****g a*****e.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-26 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Paid crisis actors

#15 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-04-26 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's common knowledge that the "protest" was astroturf event organized by a gun rights agitator who doesn't even live in Wisconsin.

#16 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-26 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

These idiots are just extending how long we have to be in lockdown.

#17 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-26 01:25 PM | Reply

Remember when black people protested and we killed them?

#18 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-26 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

These protesters.
They're Pro-Life, right?

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-26 01:30 PM | Reply

#14 Liar. SM+14

#20 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-04-26 01:30 PM | Reply

Gracie looking for liars is funny.

#21 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-04-26 01:47 PM | Reply

They should bring in cropdusters to bleach the whole area.

#22 | Posted by Jay at 2020-04-26 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

By past Wisconsin protest sizes it was disappointing only around a 1,500 people. Here are some more pics.

The virus made an appearance. i.redd.it

Boys with guns. www.reddit.com

#23 | Posted by SLBronkowitz at 2020-04-26 03:03 PM | Reply

Give these morons a few bottles of Chlorox and tell them that Combover Quisling wants them to take the cure, drink up! They need to be thinned from the herd.

#24 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-04-26 09:45 PM | Reply

I just love that remote control Cornonavirus, it is absolutely hilarious!

#25 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-27 09:58 AM | Reply

"Boys with guns."

Pathetic clowns bring their guns for what? What thought is in their little brains that caused them to bring guns to a protest like that? Who are they planning to shoot? They prove they shouldn't even be allowed to own guns with behavior like that.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-27 10:00 AM | Reply

What thought is in their little brains that caused them to bring guns to a protest like that?

The thinking is that if it's a right you don't need a reason. Ask Boaz.

#27 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-04-27 10:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Paid crisis actors

#15 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE
Kind of.
They are all paid and bused in. They bring their own brand of stupid though.

#28 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2020-04-27 11:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If only the US had some kind of a leader who could get a clear message out to them.

#29 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-04-27 12:47 PM | Reply

#23 The message is pretty clear.

LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment, it is under siege!
LIBERATE MICHIGAN!
LIBERATE MINNESOTA!

--President Donald J. TRUMP

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 12:49 PM | Reply

Must all be republicans because we know that dems are too lazy to return to work if they can avoid it ; )

#10 | POSTED BY MSGT

Ok Grandpa.

The biggest group of Republican voters are retired folks living off government income.

On the other hand, nurses tend to lean Democrat. And they are still risking their lives working through this.

And the young people who stock your groceries again lean Democrat.

Now go cash your social security check and keep quiet while the grown ups are talking.

#31 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-04-27 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

The vast majority within the education system lean Democrat. I do not include myself in that group, but we are all still working. Yes from home, which makes things massively more difficult, but we're still working. Still connecting with students and still attempting to maintain some semblance of normalcy for kids who are missing out a major life experiences.

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-27 01:50 PM | Reply

A leader of an anti-lockdown protest group in North Carolina says that she has tested positive for COVID-19 " and she's angry that she was forced to quarantine for two weeks to avoid spreading the virus to other people.

Local news station CBS 17 reports that Audrey Whitlock, a leader of the ReOpen NC protest movement, posted on Facebook this week that she has been under quarantine for the past two weeks after being diagnosed with COVID-19.

She says that she has been asymptomatic throughout the quarantine, and she bitterly complained about having to stay inside to avoid infecting other people.

"I have been told not to participate in public or private accommodations as requested by the government, and therefore denied my 1st amendment right of freedom of religion," she wrote. "It has been insinuated by others that if I go out, I could be arrested for denying a quarantine order."

Raw Story

Even when they get it they don't get it.

#33 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-04-27 02:05 PM | Reply

Even when they get it they don't get it.
#33 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR

Someone they know has to die from it. And even then, they'll play it off as "Well, they were elderly. It was god's plan."

So really, it'll take them experiencing losing a child to COVID-19 for an idiot like her to figure out 2-weeks of quarantine to save a life (lives) is well worth it and not an overbearing investment. Besides, the entire country is shut down. What is she so eager to go out and do? Protest more?

Damn idiot.

#34 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-27 02:09 PM | Reply

"The truth is, the vast majority of these people haven't really lost anything but their ability to go out to a ball game, or Applebees. Though their revenue stream may have been delayed, thanks to the stimulus, most of them will still be taking in more than enough money to live."

Thanks to the stimulus you have more than enough to live?

I just did a quick search and found that if I were in my home state making the income I do today, my take home pay would be just over $1k per week. About a third of what I normally make.

So yeah, you'll have money for food. Probably not a house payment. Probably not the car payment. Maybe min payments on the credit card...and for what? So you can feel safer?

I don't think any of those protests would bother caring if you elected to hunker down in your house until the end of time. And I'm sure most know they are taking a calculated risk. They're just a bit less enthralled with the current police state than you are.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:03 PM | Reply

"I just did a quick search and found that if I were in my home state making the income I do today, my take home pay would be just over $1k per week. About a third of what I normally make."

What? You're "essential." Your comment makes no sense.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:05 PM | Reply

"The biggest group of Republican voters are retired folks living off government income."

Which is why progressives should be clamoring for an end to the lock down.

This your chance not to kill off a bunch of old rich white people, but give them the chance to kill themselves off.

That's Danni's dream come true.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:05 PM | Reply

"So yeah, you'll have money for food. Probably not a house payment. Probably not the car payment."

What's the problem?
You can always go live in the woods.
Try leading by example, for just once in your life...

I think it's funny that your example is GTFO out of the USA and going and living in a much safer country!

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:07 PM | Reply

"Which is why progressives should be clamoring for an end to the lock down."

And yet, the only people actually clamoring for an end to the lockdown are...
People like you, MadBomber.

Do you know what self-awareness is, or are you like on the "highly functioning" side of the spectrum?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:09 PM | Reply

"What? You're "essential." Your comment makes no sense."

Someone at my income level.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:11 PM | Reply

"Someone at my income level."

Someone at your income level should have at least a year in savings squirreled away.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What's the problem? You can always go live in the woods. Try leading by example, for just once in your life..."

You can definitely do that. No one needs two cars, or more than one cell phone, or a TV, or more than a basic shelter. That's what life is for a majority of people on this planet. But let's not pretend that it's an adequate substitite in maintaining one's current standard of living when the government prohibits them from earning a living.

In fact I would recommend an "off-the-grid" move to all you Nancy's that seem to be terrified of COVID. Move to Alaska. build a cabin in the woods. Chase of trespassers with a few shots from your rifle.

...and let those who want to get on with their lives do so.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:15 PM | Reply

Someone at your income level can, for example, sell the Polaris.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:18 PM | Reply

"And yet, the only people actually clamoring for an end to the lockdown are...People like you, MadBomber."

Yeah...I know. I don't get it. Is it that you like the idea of a police state and the precedent this sets? Maybe thinking of ways progressives could use something similar in the future. Or is it just plain fear? Maybe because my job has always required some sort of risk calculus I'm not that worried. Statistically, fate favors me. In fact it favors the vast majority of us.

It's not ignorance of the risk, which will always be there...it's about not being dominated by it.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:21 PM | Reply

False choices, all the right ever offers.
Such garbage.

#45 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-27 03:22 PM | Reply

"But let's not pretend that it's an adequate substitite in maintaining one's current standard of living when the government prohibits them from earning a living."

Does the phrase "austerity" mean anything to you?
It means (mostly poor) people will not be able to maintain their current standard of living, because the government prohibited itself from funding social programs.

Capitalism, too, is a government program.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:22 PM | Reply

..and for what? So you can feel safer?
#35 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Is that what you've been told is the reasoning for the stay at home order?

You must be relegating yourself to information streams limited to Trump and Fox News.

Sad, but explains volumes specific to your POV.

#47 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-27 03:23 PM | Reply

"Someone at your income level should have at least a year in savings squirreled away."

Someone at my income level?

Is there some reason you would expect something different from a person with my income level and my work experience from anyone else?

#48 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:24 PM | Reply

"And yet, the only people actually clamoring for an end to the lockdown are...People like you, MadBomber."
Yeah...I know. I don't get it.

^
Simple.
You stand for everything you claim to oppose.
I can believe you're incapable of getting that, but it's a bit of a farce when it's staring you right in the face like this.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:24 PM | Reply

"Someone at your income level can, for example, sell the Polaris."

I actually sold it a long time ago. But even if I did still have it, it might be worth one month's mortgage.

A better plan would be to keep the ATV and use it to get around while living off the grid.

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:25 PM | Reply

Is there some reason you would expect something different from a person with my income level and my work experience from anyone else?
#48 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Cocaine immediately comes to mind, as a reason someone at your income level wouldn't actually have much left over in terms of assets.
Prostitutes, gambling, complusive consumerism, an ugly divorce.
An unexpected medical expense that insurance doesn't cover is another one.
All kinds of reasons, really.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:26 PM | Reply

"It's not ignorance of the risk, which will always be there...it's about not being dominated by it."

Which is riskier for the economy, 1.1 million dead Americans or 2.2 million dead Americans?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:28 PM | Reply

"It's not ignorance of the risk, which will always be there...it's about not being dominated by it."

Which is riskier for 2.2 million Americans, 1.1 million dead Americans or 2.2 million dead Americans?

Here's the real question:
Do Americans serve the economy, or does the economy serve the Americans?

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:31 PM | Reply

"Does the phrase "austerity" mean anything to you? It means (mostly poor) people will not be able to maintain their current standard of living, because the government prohibited itself from funding social programs."

Nope.

Going back to Idaho, a worker who had been making $30K a year ($577 per week) will now be earning $897 per week, or 155% of their employment income. At around $54k you earn as much in benefits as you would have while employed. Above that rate, you earn an increasingly smaller percentage of you employment income.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:31 PM | Reply

"Above that rate, you earn an increasingly smaller percentage of you employment income"

Above that rate, you should be able to survive on an increasingly smaller percentage of your employment income.
And if you didn't plan for that, there are people with far, far higher incomes sharpening their knives.
What's the problem, exactly?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:35 PM | Reply

"I can believe you're incapable of getting that, but it's a bit of a farce when it's staring you right in the face like this."

Nope. I'm not capable of "getting it."

The government is telling tens of millions of people that they are not allowed to work because they might put old sick people at risk, and it's simply too inconvenient to quarantine the old and the sick. If one person is going to suffer, then everyone is going to suffer.

If this were Nipah, and the death rate was in the 75% range...maybe a different story. But the low mortality rate for COVID, especially when you can so easily quarantine those at high risk, don't justify locking down the remaining 95%-99% of the population.

#56 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:36 PM | Reply

"I can believe you're incapable of getting that, but it's a bit of a farce when it's staring you right in the face like this."

Nope. I'm not capable of "getting it."

Then the farce will continue.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:37 PM | Reply

"Which is riskier for the economy, 1.1 million dead Americans or 2.2 million dead Americans?"

I don't think it would have much effect on the economy actually. Those who are dying are age 65 or older and have underlying conditions. Outside of investments, exactly how much do you see this demographic contributing to the economy?

#58 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:37 PM | Reply

"The government is telling tens of millions of people that they are not allowed to work because they might put old sick people at risk, and it's simply too inconvenient to quarantine the old and the sick."

Can I get the exact quote(s) from the government, which you strung together to come up with this?
Because I don't believe you.

Maybe just work off Angela Merkel's coronavirus speech if that's easier for you. nymag.com

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:38 PM | Reply

"Which is riskier for the economy, 1.1 million dead Americans or 2.2 million dead Americans?"
I don't think it would have much effect on the economy actually.

^
So then, why not plan for the 1.1 million dead, instead of the 2.2. million dead?

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:39 PM | Reply

When I was back there in
Medical school
There was a person there
Who put forth the proposition
That you can petition the Virus
With prayer
Petition the Virus with prayer
Petition the Virus with prayer
You cannot petition the Virus
With prayer

You cannot petition the Virus.

(Apologies to the Doors)

#61 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-27 03:39 PM | Reply

"Do Americans serve the economy, or does the economy serve the Americans?"

The fact that you framed the question the way you did shows that you're in dire need of taking an economics course.

But maybe the first people you should be asking would be the ones referenced in this article. They seem to be the ones concerned about the economy. Not so much you.

#62 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:39 PM | Reply

"So then, why not plan for the 1.1 million dead, instead of the 2.2. million dead?"

I think the plan should be to isolate those at greater risk and let everyone else get on with their lives.

#63 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-27 03:40 PM | Reply

Outside of investments, exactly how much do you see this demographic contributing to the economy?
#58 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

LOL. This is your best farce in quite some time.

Outside of investments, how does the economy even exist?

What Are Capital Expenditures " CapEx? www.investopedia.com
Capital expenditures, commonly known as CapEx, are funds used by a company to acquire, upgrade, and maintain physical assets such as property, buildings, an industrial plant, technology, or equipment.

CapEx is often used to undertake new projects or investments by the firm. Making capital expenditures on fixed assets can include everything from repairing a roof to building, to purchasing a piece of equipment, to building a brand new factory. This type of financial outlay is also made by companies to maintain or increase the scope of their operations.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:44 PM | Reply

I think the plan should be to isolate those at greater risk and let everyone else get on with their lives.
#63 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

That's the 2.2 million dead plan.
Why do that, if there's no difference on the impact on the economy from the 1.1 million dead plan?

(This is setting aside where you find the authority to isolate those at greater risk.)

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:46 PM | Reply

"Do Americans serve the economy, or does the economy serve the Americans?"
The fact that you framed the question the way you did shows that you're in dire need of taking an economics course.

^
The fact that you answered the question that way shows you prioritize the economy over We The People.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:47 PM | Reply

The government is telling tens of millions of people that they are not allowed to work because they might put old sick people at risk, and it's simply too inconvenient to quarantine the old and the sick.

Putting aside the lie that it's only old and sick people dying of Coronavirus, please tell the class what specific number of dead people you consider acceptable in exchange for what specific amount of economic activity to occur.

You claim to be a numbers guy. You claim the current exchange is imbalanced. So tell us how many dead people you want to see, in exchange for how much money.

#67 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-27 03:48 PM | Reply

You claim to be a numbers guy. You claim the current exchange is imbalanced. So tell us how many dead people you want to see, in exchange for how much money.
#67 | POSTED BY JOE

AAaaaaand ask him how many would have to die to justify the CURRENT method of response.

#68 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-27 03:51 PM | Reply

"If this were Nipah, and the death rate was in the 75% range...maybe a different story."

There's three other variables you're ignoring in the standard epidemiological model.

Those variables explain why SARS-COV2 has killed 10,000 times more people than the biggest Nipah outbreak ever did... and we're only a few months into the projected 18 months of pandemic.

You claim to understand economics, but you can't do the differential equations which would allow you to understand what I just said.

You're a phony.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 03:59 PM | Reply

Let's just execute the Forbes billionaires list and distribute their wealth equally amongst anyone earninf less than 150k a year.

That's a fraction of the death and we could live off of it for years.

#70 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-27 05:14 PM | Reply

- isolate those at greater risk

More than 100 million U.S. adults are now living with diabetes or prediabetes, according to a new report released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The report finds that as of 2015, 30.3 million Americans " 9.4 percent of the U.S. population " have diabetes.

#4 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-04-27 02:10 PM | FLAG:

This year's report said 121.5 million adults in the U.S. " 48 percent based on 2016 figures " have cardiovascular disease.

#5 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-04-27 02:10 PM | FLAG:

Nearly 37 million Americans live with a chronic lung disease like asthma and COPD, which includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis.

#6 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2020-04-27 02:11 PM | FLAG:

drudge.com

Wonder where MadBummer is going to keep these 100's of millions of people?

In his vagina or his ego?

Oh, wait, those may be the same.

#71 | Posted by Corky at 2020-04-27 05:47 PM | Reply

These people are anti-gubmint heroes in the same way Michael Schiavo was. Their philosophy appears to be that if they or their loved ones die from it, then at least they died with "dignity".

#72 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-27 07:37 PM | Reply

Michael Schiavo

#72 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

That's the guy who was married to the woman whose brain had pretty much turned to liquid inside of her skull, right?

The small government conservatives made a medical diagnosis from about 9 seconds of film and let a couple of hate radio hosts talk them into passing a law saying his marriage wasn't legitimate.

It was around the same time the same people were screaming about how gay people were trying to destroy the sanctity of marriage.

That's a strange jump to make, isn't it?

One day you're willing to pass an unconstitutional law because all life is sacred and then the next you're willing to let a million people die so little donnie dollhands can win in November.

#73 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-27 08:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Theresa Schiavo didn't impact any of those POS's lives.
She was a convenient poster child that couldn't say anything - used for a sick ideology.
COVID-19 has revealed how selfish, morally bankrupt, and pathetic Trump supporters and supporters of what he represents are.

#74 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-27 09:15 PM | Reply

# 74 It's certainly casts their Deplorable nature into sharp relief.

Sharp relief. I keep using that phrase. I lifted it from the part where the Vogon Captain reads his poetry to Ford Prefect and Arthur Dent: "I just write poetry to throw my mean callous heartless exterior into sharp relief."

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-27 09:28 PM | Reply

"The small government conservatives made a medical diagnosis from about 9 seconds of film"

No less dubious than the armchair doctors who diagnosed her as "brain dead".

"and let a couple of hate radio hosts talk them into passing a law saying his marriage wasn't legitimate."

That never happened. No such law was passed.

"It was around the same time the same people were screaming about how gay people were trying to destroy the sanctity of marriage.
That's a strange jump to make, isn't it?"

Yes, you're making a huge, strange jump there.

"willing to let a million people die so little donnie dollhands can win in November."

Of course I disagree with them. My point is many of them probably sincerely believe they are fighting for others' rights to (live or) die with dignity.

#76 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-27 10:50 PM | Reply

Armchair doctors didn't diagnose her. Actual Doctors did.

The law was called "Terri's Law." It was overturned by the Florida Supreme Court.

People had been screaming about gay people destroying marriage. They used every argument they could. In this case they had the Shiavo's marriage annulled and a guardian appointed to carry out the States wishes - invalidating their marriage. This was also in "Terri's law" - overturning previous Court judgement validating their marriage.

So I'm not sure you're remembering the Shiavo situation all that well, Sentinel.

#77 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-27 11:21 PM | Reply

"In this case they had the Shiavo's marriage annulled and a guardian appointed to carry out the States wishes - invalidating their marriage. This was also in "Terri's law" - overturning previous Court judgement validating their marriage."

Nope.

en.wikipedia.org's_Law_and_other_government_delays

Part of the legislation required the appointment of a guardian ad litem (GAL), Jay Wolfson, to "deduce and represent the best wishes and best interests" of Schiavo, and report them to Governor Bush. Wolfson's report did not change Michael's role as her legal guardian and did not otherwise obstruct him legally.

It appears you're either misremembering, or you were misinformed about it at the time.

#78 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-27 11:41 PM | Reply

That never happened. No such law was passed.

#76 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I wonder why the Florida Supreme Court stuck down a law that was never passed...

www.cnn.com

FTA:

In a unanimous ruling Thursday, the Florida Supreme Court struck down a law quickly passed to keep a brain-damaged woman on a feeding tube despite her husband's opposition.

The high court upheld a lower ruling that said "Terri's Law," named after Terri Schiavo, was unconstitutional.

#79 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-27 11:58 PM | Reply

Point to place on the dollarticle where you think it says that law made Schiavo's marriage illegitimate.

#80 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-28 12:16 AM | Reply

I still remember some of the ghoulish arguments that were made at the time that starving and dehydrating to death is actually a 'euphoric' experience. No doubt some of these freedumb protesters feel the same way about COVID.

#81 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-28 12:33 AM | Reply

#81
That's not an argument.
That's an observation.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 01:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Point to place on the dollarticle where you think it says that law made Schiavo's marriage illegitimate.

#80 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

The part where they take the EOL decision out of his hands.

It was also disgusting the way they plastered the video of a human being in her condition all over the media the way they did.

It's a private matter between spouses, they passed a law saying none of that mattered in this case at the same time they would tell us all about how "sacred" marriage is anytime someone would stick a camera in their faces.

#83 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-28 05:54 AM | Reply

Point to place on the dollarticle where you think it says that law made Schiavo's marriage illegitimate

Already did, though I grant you I took liberties in saying their marriage was annulled. It was, for all practical purposes, because the State and Terri's Law put a "guardian" in place to make the State's decision on Terri Shiavo over her legal spouse. So Republicans destroyed their marriage to accomplish a goal. Did you get that? The "marriage is sacred, we can't have gays marry" political party did that.

#84 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-28 07:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" Already did, though I grant you I took liberties in saying their marriage was annulled. "

In other words, you were dissembling. Just like you and others are dissembling when you pretend it fell purely down political party lines.

#85 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-28 09:29 AM | Reply

Cut the crap.
What a lousy refuge you've decided to take when you're original statement was ripped to shreds.

#86 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-28 09:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

dissembling

#85 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Did the law take the EOL decision out of the husband's hands or not?

_____ Yes

_____ No

Pick one.

#87 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-28 09:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" It's a private matter between spouses,"

Many Women's and Disabilities Rights groups at the time disagreed. But I guess you think they were all part of the conspiracy against the gaze.

#88 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-28 09:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Side note.

A few years after they passed this law stripping this married couple of their rights the same people called the provision in the ACA that would have covered EOL discussions between people and their doctors "death panels."

#89 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-28 09:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Many Women's and Disabilities Rights groups at the time disagreed.

#88 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

They were wrong.

Is there some point you were trying to make?

#90 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-28 09:39 AM | Reply

" Cut the crap.
What a lousy refuge you've decided to take when you're original statement was ripped to shreds."

U mad, bro? Yeah, u mad because you got called out on a lie and partisan hackery.

#91 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-28 09:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

lie

#91 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Answer the question in #87.

#92 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-28 09:53 AM | Reply

U hiding, bro? Yeah, u hiding because you got called out on a lie and partisan hackery.

#93 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-28 10:08 AM | Reply

U mad, bro? Yeah, u mad because you got called out on a lie and partisan hackery.

Not mad at all. You're the one that's been caught lying. Don't project your failure on me, Bro.

#94 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-28 10:14 AM | Reply

#92, it depends on whether you believe starving and dehydrating a ward to death without a clear indication of their consent is a valid "EOL decision" or not. That was the issue at the time. I would say no, and it's an extreme and disingenuous stretch to say it invalidates their marriage to have a third party advocate look out for the patient's rights in life and death decisions.

#95 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-28 10:23 AM | Reply

#93, LOL. You're so fragile I can't even leave you alone to go for breakfast without you fearing I ghosted you.

#94, aw, cute. Now you're playing the I-Know-You-Are-But-What-Am-I game.

#96 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-28 10:26 AM | Reply

What happened to our "numbers guy?"

Still running the calculations?

#97 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-28 10:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#96 - you're flailing a lot. You should just stop. (though honestly, it is amusing)

#98 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-28 11:06 AM | Reply

Now do "Tequila"

#99 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-04-28 11:45 AM | Reply

"The fact that you answered the question that way shows you prioritize the economy over We The People."

The reason I posed that question is because you don't even have a simple understanding of economics. What you don't seem to get is that the people dictate the outcome of the economy through their own actions. The economy is not an activitiy in and of itself, but rather the observable outcomes of activity.

#100 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 01:37 PM | Reply

"Putting aside the lie that it's only old and sick people dying of Coronavirus, please tell the class what specific number of dead people you consider acceptable in exchange for what specific amount of economic activity to occur."

It depends.

If three people said they wanted to be free of the lock-down, I'd say they be allowed to do so. And if they die, then that number is three.

If 300 million want to be free of lock-down, then that number is 300 million. Bottom line is that they should be making the decision. Not the government.

And if you're a numbers guy, as I am, for the vast majority of the population is at minimal risk of experiencing a serious outcome. So the rational decision for many would be to return to work.

#101 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 01:40 PM | Reply

"Let's just execute the Forbes billionaires list and distribute their wealth equally amongst anyone earninf less than 150k a year."

Spoken like a loyal Soviet. Beria would be proud. So would Bernie.

#102 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 01:42 PM | Reply

"You claim to understand economics, but you can't do the differential equations which would allow you to understand what I just said."

You're right. My answer was dishonest.

Even if the mortality rate were in the 75% range, those who didn't want to die hunkering down in their house shouldn't be forced into a lock-down. Especially if the likely outcome is going to be death.

That would suck for you progressives. No more rich old people. You'd have to start paying your own fair share.

#103 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 01:44 PM | Reply

"What you don't seem to get is that the people dictate the outcome of the economy through their own actions."

Oh I see it so clearly now!
Like when the Governor dictates you have to get back to work during a pandemic with a (checks today's numbers) 5.7% case fatality rate, or lose your unemployment benefits.

In a democracy, people's ability to dictate outcomes through their actions is equal. One person, one vote.
Surely you can't be suggesting you and I can dictate economic outcomes on the same scale as Jeff or Bill or Warren.

It sounds like your answer to my question exists along this continuum: For the rich the economy exists to serve the rich. For everyone else, they exist to serve the economy, which is of course dictated by how "job creators" deploy their capital.

The amount of "freedom to dictate" you have in the economy is measured in capital.
Sounds about right?

Now, tell me who that paradigm serves.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 01:52 PM | Reply

"If three people said they wanted to be free of the lock-down, I'd say they be allowed to do so. And if they die, then that number is three."

No one is being confined to their homes at gunpoint.
I mean, not in America.
They can go get sick.

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 01:55 PM | Reply

"Oh I see it so clearly now! Like when the Governor dictates you have to get back to work during a pandemic with a (checks today's numbers) 5.7% case fatality rate, or lose your unemployment benefits."

That in and of itself is not an economic outcome. It is an activity that would drive an outcome. But not one you'd be likely to see in the US, where the governor can't dictate that you go back to work. Unless you happen to be part of that state's National Guard or something.

#106 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 02:01 PM | Reply

"It sounds like your answer to my question exists along this continuum: For the rich the economy exists to serve the rich. For everyone else, they exist to serve the economy, which is of course dictated by how "job creators" deploy their capital."

Nope. You still don't get it.

How about instead of bothering me, you go take an econ course. You're completely disinterested in hold aa discussion on economics, but instead choosing to make a relatively feeble attempt at some sort of post-Marxian philosophical argument. You sound like a Bernie Bro. Which means you sound like a Trumper. Just the left-wing breed of Trumper.

#107 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 02:04 PM | Reply

"No one is being confined to their homes at gunpoint. I mean, not in America. They can go get sick."

Are businesses being locked down through use of force?

I'm not in the US. But my understanding was that people were being prohibited from working? Was that more of a voluntary thing?

#108 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 02:11 PM | Reply

#101 "Everyone who feels like it" isn't a number, Mr. Numbers Guy.

But we've seen how your proposal worked out elsewhere. Sweden kept things open, and now they're seeing Covid death rates at 22 per 100,000 people. Among their neighbors, who closed, Denmark has 7 deaths per 100,000, Norway and Finland under 4 per 100,000.

Based on this data, you're apparently willing to see over five times as many deaths to keep the economy humming along (which is how you get your taxpayer funded paycheck). To date we'd be looking at 288k deaths. Sound good to you?

#109 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-28 02:26 PM | Reply

"How about instead of bothering me, you go take an econ course."

Funny, that's my advice for you!

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 02:27 PM | Reply

I'm not in the US. But my understanding was that people were being prohibited from working? Was that more of a voluntary thing?
#108 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

The grocery stores are hiring.
If people want to work, there's work to be done.
Not going to work at the grocery store? That's a voluntary thing.

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 02:28 PM | Reply

"And if you're a numbers guy, as I am, for the vast majority of the population is at minimal risk of experiencing a serious outcome. So the rational decision for many would be to return to work."

I know several MDs and they've all said from the beginning we should have quarantined the vulnerable and let everyone else get exposed.

Politics and the fear of overwhelming health care providers in many areas were obstacles to that. I'm not endorsing that....just saying that's what MDs told me 6 weeks ago.

Not sure if they would say the same now.

#112 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-28 02:43 PM | Reply

The company I work for - everyone is working, they're just working from home. I'm having calls constantly with folks using Skype and Teams.
The company my neighbor works for is doing the same. They've upgraded their infrastructure significantly to handle it.

The only people I know not working are some restaurant workers, my massage therapist, barbers/stylilsts, big-box gyms. Things you'd expect to be closed because of the nature of the business and physical proximity. Oh, and theaters/sporting events.

My life is relatively unaffected, though I have to say, more pleasant. No aircraft constantly flying over, traffic is reduced, air is cleaner, the world is quieter. I hope we don't lose all this when we get over this horrible disease and get it under control.

#113 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-28 02:45 PM | Reply

I know several MDs and they've all said from the beginning we should have quarantined the vulnerable and let everyone else get exposed.

That doesn't work. Half of the fatalities in Sweden are from folks that were supposed to be isolated. Same here with our nursing centers. Without testing and contract tracing it's a stupid half-ass idea.

Plus we find out more and more about this disease and how it damages even healthy people.

Those Dr.s of yours were assuming a lot in proposing that idea. Like Sweden is assuming a lot.

#114 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-28 02:48 PM | Reply

"I know several MDs and they've all said from the beginning we should have quarantined the vulnerable and let everyone else get exposed."

Did you ask the MDs, okay, so then how do the vulnerable get their bedpans changed?

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 02:48 PM | Reply

I'm posting this again because it's relevant in this discussion:
-----------------------
According to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data, 0.8 percent of U.S. deaths as of Apr. 18 were in people ages 25 to 34; 2 percent among those 35 to 44; and 5.4 percent among those 45 to 54.

0.8% is 6 times worse than the average for all ages for flu!
2.0% is 15 times worse - and
5.4% is 42 times worse.

And these folks that are younger and having heart attacks and strokes due to this clotting aren't being counted in the above numbers because they're likely going untested, and aren't being tested when they die. We only know about these because these are the ones that had been tested and it was in their medical record when they went for treatment for stroke.
------------------------

#116 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-28 02:50 PM | Reply

114,

I think they were assuming a lot at the time as well.

I've come to witness MDs believe they are experts in all sorts of things because they went to medical school.

#117 | Posted by eberly at 2020-04-28 02:51 PM | Reply

Eb, I hope they and Sweden are right - but it's a gamble. Not to mention the assumption that we develop immunity is not a given. There's no reason to believe this is like measles where a vaccination or exposure will last for years and years. This is a coronavirus - and 4 coronavirus' are responsible for what we call the common cold. Something we have never been able to develop a cure for.

#118 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-28 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#117 | Posted by eberly Hell, MDs are not even experts in medicine. Certain aspects of medicine certainly, in which they have specialized. The hardest specialty to get certified in? Family Practice. There are no GPs anymore, but Family Practice comes closest.

#119 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-04-28 03:00 PM | Reply

"Funny, that's my advice for you!"

OMG...you're adorable.

#120 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 03:06 PM | Reply

OMG, you got a MBA and you think it's an economics degree. That's adorable too!

#121 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 03:09 PM | Reply

"That doesn't work. Half of the fatalities in Sweden are from folks that were supposed to be isolated."

What do you mean "supposed" to be isolated? Like, they were at risk and chose not to self-quaratine?

Wouldn't that be their decision?

#122 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 03:10 PM | Reply

"Sweden kept things open, and now they're seeing Covid death rates at 22 per 100,000 people"

So...a mortality rate of .02%.

And you're saying a better option would be to shutter 99,978 people to save the lives of 22?

This should be a really easy ------- answer. You quarantine the 22. Those at risk. You could put them on a space station for the amount it would cost to shut down the ones who aren't dying.

#123 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 03:13 PM | Reply

"There are no GPs anymore"

Thanks, Capitalism!

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 03:14 PM | Reply

"Those Dr.s of yours were assuming a lot in proposing that idea. Like Sweden is assuming a lot."

And Snoofy isn't, with his estimate of 2.2 million dead.

#125 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 03:14 PM | Reply

#123 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Quarantining those people will save them, but it won't improve the healthcare workers' environment in hospitals. Remember lowering the curve? That's too is the point of quarantine, save the lives of the vulnerable and keep too many people from getting sick requiring medical attention.

#126 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-28 03:16 PM | Reply

"Not to mention the assumption that we develop immunity is not a given. There's no reason to believe this is like measles where a vaccination or exposure will last for years and years."

Which begs the question, what do we do if that's the case? Stay locked down for years?

I feel like there is this unrealistic expectation by many here that the population could stay home indefinitely, and the electricity would stay on, the food would remain on the shelves, and someone would be there to take care of them. Maybe...but I doubt it.

#127 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 03:17 PM | Reply

"Sweden kept things open, and now they're seeing Covid death rates at 22 per 100,000 people"
So...a mortality rate of .02%.

SWE: 233 deaths per 1,000,000
USA: 175 deaths per 1,000,000

"And you're saying a better option would be to shutter 99,978 people to save the lives of 22?"

Stop being so obtuse.
Nobody's shuttered.
People are out there protesting the stay at home orders all the time now.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 03:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They were elderly and in care centers. Just like here. You clearly don't know what's been going on here or in Sweden. Nursing homes have been hit hard, even with total shutdown, no visitors, etc. The reason is the young workers brought it in.

Simply quarantining isn't going to work. Testing has to be part of it, along with contract tracing, etc.

Also you have an incredibly immature understanding of responsibility and the impact of one's decisions, and rights of others. It's naive and ridiculously simplistic.

I thought about not posting the above in the hope that you might actually be interested in learning, but you're not. You ignore so much so you can keep repeating this belief you have. There's no point.

#129 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-28 03:18 PM | Reply

#127 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

What's the rush to find out the negative consequences first hand before we even know the facts?

Why are you and Trump so eager to put the cart before the horse?

#130 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-28 03:19 PM | Reply

People are out there protesting the stay at home orders all the time now.
#128 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Even in sleepy San Diego.

#131 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-28 03:19 PM | Reply

"OMG, you got a MBA and you think it's an economics degree. That's adorable too!"

Well, to be fair, I did have to take a bunch of econ courses in grad and undergrad. You never stepped foot into an econ classroom. Or maybe you did and slept through it. Or maybe regarded it as some form of nefarious bourgeois propaganda.

When it comes to econ, you remind me a lot of Danni. Uneducated, and unwilling to get educated.

#132 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 03:20 PM | Reply

And Snoofy isn't, with his estimate of 2.2 million dead.
#125 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

It's not my estimate, it's from the Imperial College Report.
It's cute how your reason for owning guns is to shoot the messenger, then steal his food though.

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 03:20 PM | Reply

MadBomber, be honest:
Can you do calculus and differential equations?
Because if you can't, then you can't do economics.

I majored in physics, so I can do those things.
Because if you can't, then you can't do physics.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 03:22 PM | Reply

People are out there protesting the stay at home orders all the time now.
#128 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Even in sleepy San Diego.
#131 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

They all got bused in from Santucky, right?
I heard Santucky for the first time the other day.
So much better than Klantee, don't you think?
:)

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 03:23 PM | Reply

"Quarantining those people will save them, but it won't improve the healthcare workers' environment in hospitals."

Why wouldn't it?

If those at risk self-quarantine at home and maximize cutting off interaction with the outside world, they're as safe as anyone is going to get outside of a plastic bubble. And it's pretty easy to set yourself up with highly protective PPE that would allow you to go out for groceries when necessary. At the very least it wouldn't add any additional COVID related burden to healthcare workers.

"Remember lowering the curve? That's too is the point of quarantine, save the lives of the vulnerable and keep too many people from getting sick requiring medical attention."

Sort of. The intent was not to overload hospitals, which generally hasn't happened outside of a few hot spots. But it didn't do anything to make people more resistant to COVID. If the virus has your number now, it will a year from now. And two years from now. The only way you can really prevent it from possibly hurting you is to shut yourself off from the rest of society.

#136 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 03:25 PM | Reply

"What's the rush to find out the negative consequences first hand before we even know the facts?"

Because waiting to find out what the negative consequences might be have a negative consequence of their own.

#137 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 03:26 PM | Reply

Sweden compared to it's neighbors:
ourworldindata.org
ourworldindata.org
ourworldindata.org

#138 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-28 03:27 PM | Reply

"Simply quarantining isn't going to work. Testing has to be part of it, along with contract tracing, etc."

I agree...but again...what percentage of the population was interacting with those people. They weren't properly isolated. That's to be expected, because this is a relatively new phenomenon. But one that can easily be adjusted for.

#139 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-04-28 03:28 PM | Reply

I heard Santucky for the first time the other day.
So much better than Klantee, don't you think?
:)
#135 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I do like it and will adopt it.

My parents will hate it. HA!

#140 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-04-28 03:37 PM | Reply

MadBomber, presuming you agree with the precept that it's wiser to err on the side of caution,

What exactly is it you think a nation should be overly cautious with, during the pandemic?

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 03:37 PM | Reply

So...a mortality rate of .02%.

So you don't understand mortality rates? This isn't among everyone with the disease moron.

You quarantine the 22.

Hahahaha!!!!!!!!

#142 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-28 03:43 PM | Reply

We've found the Libertarian solution to COVID-19. Stay with me.

You wait until people die of the virus.

Then you get in your time machine, go back to when they were alive, and quarantine them.

Simple!

#143 | Posted by JOE at 2020-04-28 03:44 PM | Reply

MadBomber is right on mortality rates... sort of. Can't really compare without a full year's data.

Like in the USA in 2018 it's
Heart Disease: 165 per 100,000
Cancer 152: per 100,000
and so on

A new addition to the list is
COVID-19: 17 per 100,000 (to date in 2020)

Which puts it in between
Diabetes: 21.5 per 100,000
Influenza and pneumonia: 14.3 per 100,000

Of course, those are per year, and most of those COVID-19 deaths came in the past month, and in every previous year it's been zero. So the actual true mortality rate can only go up. If I had to guess, it will end up in the top three this year.

Considering the tack MadBomber has chosen, one might also conclude all the things we do to save a measly 165 or 152 people per 100,000 from heart disease and cancer are likewise a bad allocation of resources.

#144 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-04-28 03:52 PM | Reply

with his estimate of 2.2 million dead.

#125 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Speaking of estimates, are you posting from a cruise ship right now?

#145 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-04-28 04:05 PM | Reply

#93, LOL. You're so fragile I can't even leave you alone to go for breakfast without you fearing I ghosted you.

Madbomber - I thought you said you were in Germany? You are eating breakfast at 4PM?

#146 | Posted by YAV at 2020-04-28 05:54 PM | Reply

No snoofy, Capitalism had nothing to do with it. Medical science has exploded in the last 50 years. No one could know it all now. Unless you want a obstetrician do your transplant, admit you are off base.

#147 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-04-29 09:23 AM | Reply

"When it comes to econ, you remind me a lot of Danni. Uneducated, and unwilling to get educated."

As we struggle to get through the economic disaster that I predicted would happen after the economic disaster during Bush's term which I also accurately predicted. MB is just mad because of a post I made the other day that accurately described the total collapse of his ideology, ideas, predictions, etc. He is floundering now, trying to revive some semblance of self-respect. Pretty pathetic but in his case very laughable. I enjoy watching pompous asses like him lose all credibility. They richly deserve the ridicule.

#148 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-29 09:53 AM | Reply

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