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Thursday, April 30, 2020

Tesla CEO Elon Musk railed against what he called "fascist" social distancing measures on an earnings call Wednesday. In an expletive-laden rant, Musk warned that shelter-in-place orders in California, where a major Tesla factory is located, also pose a "serious risk" to the company.

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I've pretty much supported Musk in the past but he's lost me with this comment.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2020-04-30 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"We are a little bit worried about not being able to resume production in the Bay Area and that should be identified as a serious risk," Musk said. "We only have two car factories right now, one in Shanghai and one in the Bay Area."

"What the f***. Excuse me. Outrage. So it will cause great harm, not just to Telsa, but many companies."

So basically he's saying, f*** everyone else he's got cars to build. The pot seems to be calling the kettle a fascist.

#2 | Posted by qcp at 2020-04-30 11:18 AM | Reply

Musk is a turd. Self important,imperious,totally out of touch with reality. Has yet to make a profit on his operations. Just another tech Loser.

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-04-30 11:29 AM | Reply

Hopefully the trickle down acolytes will wake up and see that they mean ----- to these sorts of people.

While Elon sits in one of his multi-million dollar properties telecommuting to work he expects the peons to risk health and life in order to make sure his bank account grows.

Here's an idea, Elon, if you truly are the risk taker and mover and shaker of Tesla, cash out some assets and do what it takes to keep your company afloat. Stop whining that people being more concerned about their health and safety are going to be the cause of your companies demise.$40 billion dollars should help get you through this for quite some time.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-30 11:41 AM | Reply

Musk is cash poor. 99% of his net worth is based on his company valuations. Being very generous, call it $400 million cash on hand. Musk runs out of Money trying to prop up Tesla in just 1 month. Tesla has cash reserves that can sustain a couple quarters of being shut down at most without a massive furlough. They'll have to furlough people at Tesla-Solar City's NJ factory that's being strung along on make-work to avoid a $50 million dollar penalty payment to NJ.

SpaceX, being private, it's unknown if it has ever been profitable. It has a ferocious burn rate and SpaceX broke into the market in the first place by intentionally underbidding profits and flying at a loss. They can't make money flying even a 5x refurbed Block 5 and it's the last Falcon 9 planned. They did a lot of fundraising right before the economy cratered, but that's for R&D and expansion, not staggering through a recession holding a workforce together.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-30 11:59 AM | Reply

The aristocrats don't like it when the serfs choose their lives over the god given rights of royalty to profit.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2020-04-30 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Musk is cash poor. 99% of his net worth is based on his company valuations.

All the more reason to laugh at his little tirade. He's expecting other people to lay down their health and possibly lives for his benefit.

F&*^ him.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-30 12:08 PM | Reply

I am going to cancel the insurance on my third vehicle and sell the fourth. I am working from home, so we can share one car.

I expect a lot of people to cut back their expenses in the new social distancing world. That includes buying vanity EVs.

I am sure a major car manufacturer will be happy to pick up Tesla infrastructure from bankruptcy for 10 cents on the dollar and rehire half the staff.

#8 | Posted by bored at 2020-04-30 12:13 PM | Reply

I am sure a major car manufacturer will be happy to pick up Tesla infrastructure from bankruptcy for 10 cents on the dollar and rehire half the staff.

#8 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2020-04-30 12:13 PM | FLAG:

Not much to pick up from infrastructure. You'd get a Vegas factory that Panasonic isn't particularly happy to be a partner in that bundles obsolete, cylindrical 18650 cells into a big battery pack. You'd get a Fremont factory that two major manufacturers already walked away from. American & Euro brands won't do anything with that staff, they're not unionized. You'd get stuck with Solar City and the NJ plant which is a $50 million liability if you can't immediately employ 1500 people at it and keep scaling. You'd get a Chinese factory that can only assemble knock down kits from Fremont. The retail floor space wouldn't be picked up. Some would probably be converted to janky $0 down used car lots.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-30 12:30 PM | Reply

So it sounds like Tesla is a house of cards?

#10 | Posted by jpw at 2020-04-30 12:33 PM | Reply

It has serious financial issues, has been completely decoupled from its stock price for a long time now, and calling their cruise control Autopilot is foolish.

but going in its favor as a company:

* Cult following and massive social media footprint
* Fans don't care about the build quality
* Fans don't care its luxury vehicles don't have luxury vehicle features
* The SEC is afraid of Musk when it should be the other way around
* Solid fundraising
* Well engineered driving software
* Prior to Covid politics globally have been waving money at Tesla for a factory which does what Tesla can't do alone, pay the bills and grow.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-30 02:38 PM | Reply

They also seem to have taken a page from the Taycan with the Model Y and built in a really nice heat pump. The thermal engineering on the Taycan is in a different league and priced accordingly.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-04-30 02:40 PM | Reply

Model Y design discussion:
www.youtube.com

#13 | Posted by LesWit at 2020-04-30 02:55 PM | Reply

but to say that they cannot leave their house and they will be arrested if they do, this is fascist,"

Actually he is right. But who is saying that? Sounds like a violation to the constitution to me.

You cannot be arrested for leaving your house. Well i guess in Trumplandia anything is possible so maybe you can but I would suspect that the state and local governments could be held liable for false arrest and damages and loss of Liberty.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-04-30 03:05 PM | Reply

Nothing new from Elon, he's been full of crap for years now.

Tesla fanboys idolize him, but he's been consistently idiotic:

"Pedo guy" defamation lawsuit.
Promises of Hyperloop magic.
He makes a bold promise, then renegs a few months later when people aren't paying attention. The latest example is "Tesla will make ventilators!" Predictable fail...he never intended to make ventilators, only to say so.
Other promises he has made that he never delivered on: autonomous self-driving cars, solar powered charging stations, 500K vehicles in 2018 (Tesla built half that), "Funding secured," LOL, yadda yadda...
He needs to stop tweeting.

Typical technocratic Libertarian poser.

#15 | Posted by chuffy at 2020-04-30 03:40 PM | Reply

I wonder if his desire to send people to their deaths has anything to do with the $720 million he stands to make if Tesla's market cap increases by a few percent?

cnet: Tesla CEO Elon Musk is seriously close to a $720M payout - Musk doesn't receive a salary or bonuses, but he will get a massive stock option if Tesla hits just one more goal.

#16 | Posted by censored at 2020-04-30 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So basically he's saying, f*** everyone else he's got cars to build. The pot seems to be calling the kettle a fascist."

That's not what he said...at all.

Here's what he said: "If somebody wants to stay in their house, that's great," Musk said, according to a recording of the call reviewed by CBS News. "They can stay in their house and they should not be compelled to leave. But to say that they cannot leave their house and they will be arrested if they do, this is fascist. This is not democratic, this is not freedom. Give people back their g**d*** freedom."

Fascism has specific connotations, but this is definitely authoritarian.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-01 08:31 AM | Reply

This made me want to buy a Tesla.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-01 08:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The aristocrats don't like it when the serfs choose their lives over the god given rights of royalty to profit."

From Musk: "If somebody wants to stay in their house, that's great," Musk said, according to a recording of the call reviewed by CBS News. "They can stay in their house and they should not be compelled to leave. But to say that they cannot leave their house and they will be arrested if they do, this is fascist. This is not democratic, this is not freedom. Give people back their g**d*** freedom."

It sounds more like he is on the side of the Serfs than you are. he would give them the decision as to whether or not they work. You, presumably, would make that decision for them.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-01 08:35 AM | Reply

Musk knows fascism, his family became wealthy in the apartheid days of South Africa and Elon has never returned to the area in post-apartheid era.

#20 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-05-01 08:50 AM | Reply

This made me want to buy a Tesla.

#18 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Gotta support your fellow sociopaths?

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-01 09:02 AM | Reply

"Gotta support your fellow sociopaths?"

Supporting the right of individuals to make their own choices is a symptom of being a sociopath?

Can you give me an example of the opposite of a sociopath? Hitler maybe? Perhaps Stalin?

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-01 09:21 AM | Reply

The DEFINITELY did not support an individual's right to choose.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-01 09:22 AM | Reply

Supporting the right of individuals to make their own choices is a symptom of being a sociopath?

You can dress that pig up all you like, doesn't change the reality of the situation.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-01 09:36 AM | Reply

"You can dress that pig up all you like, doesn't change the reality of the situation."

Agreed. Musk defending and individual's right to choose is the right thing to do. Only an authoritarian would disagree. Or what Mr. Musk would refer to as a "fascist."

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-01 09:58 AM | Reply

Right.

Show that you actually understand the matter then maybe your squeaking about "individual rights" (LOL) will be taken seriously.

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-01 11:19 AM | Reply

"But to say that they cannot leave their house and they will be arrested if they do..."

I am sorry. I still don't see the problem. Elon sure does likes to vent. But. Who is telling me I cannot leave my house? Who is threatening to arrest me for leaving my house?

No one that I know of. I have heard of some curfews but no declarations of martial law yet.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-01 12:35 PM | Reply

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...that smack of reality must hurt Dems pretty badly when one of their own also proves he's a rich Capitalist who values money over lives. Ouch!

#28 | Posted by humtake at 2020-05-01 01:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Who is telling me I cannot leave my house?

#27 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2020-05-01 12:35 PM | FLAG:

You need help with the context. He kept his factory open and declared it Essential Business. The sheriff said hell no, sent the workers home. They've got skeletal operations going on pretending to be developing a ventilator, shipping bipap machines from China to hospitals with big Tesla stickers and social media display requirements, while really just trying to get Model Y's finished. The Man says he can't build cars.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-05-01 03:13 PM | Reply

In a series of tweets this Friday morning, Elon Musk wiped out billions of dollars in Tesla's value. The outburst comes on the heels of the Tesla CEO using Twitter to voice his opinion that the coronavirus outbreak is being overblown by the media and politicians.

Today, Musk took on a strange tone. In one tweet, Musk wrote that Tesla's "stock price is too high [in my opinion]." He also claimed that he's going to sell everything he owns.

"I am selling almost all physical possessions," he wrote. "Will own no house."

Raw Story

#30 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-05-01 04:00 PM | Reply

He designed and created incredible products - from the first desirable electric cars to rockets that land themselves, but he is a moron about many other things.

Just like ben carson is a brain surgeon but also a trump supporting moron.

Musk thinks full self driving cars will be here much sooner than they will, and his predictions about their arrival have been wrong over and over and over.

His plan to colonize mars is also totally stupid and misguided. It such a massive expense with such a tiny payoff. That money would be better spent figuring out how to save our own planet from climate destruction or asteroids. Humans can't live on mars until we figure out how to terraform entire planets, which should only take a few centuries or millenia. Even then our bodies evolved for earth's gravity so living on mars would really screw up our biology. It's an idiotic egotistical idea to think we're ready to go there now. We should be trying to prevent earth from turning into mars, not trying to go to a barren rock and make people live there.

Likewise his idea that it's fascism to stay indoors to help prevent viral spread is the stuff of fox news watching morons. Yes people should be free to risk THEIR OWN lives, but they should not be free to risk OTHERS lives.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-01 04:20 PM | Reply

Is it fascism to tell me not to shoot my AK47 in the air in town?
Freedom right?
The odds of falling bullets killing anyone are low right?

Why are so many people proud of being ass holes.

#32 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-01 05:20 PM | Reply

Why are so many people proud of being ass holes.

#32 | Posted by bored

Because their obsession is with upsetting liberals. And they're dumb and brainwashed to think if something upsets a liberal, then they should fight to do it passionately, whether that's polluting more, taking healthcare from the poor, or spreading a virus. Upsetting liberals is more important than the future of their own kids.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-01 05:35 PM | Reply

"Why are so many people proud of being ass holes."

That's the wolf they fed.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-01 06:12 PM | Reply

Agreed. Musk defending and individual's right to choose is the right thing to do. Only an authoritarian would disagree. Or what Mr. Musk would refer to as a "fascist."

The individual's right not to put themselves at risk of contracting COVID-19 because Musk tells them they have no choice but to work or lose their job, their health care, etc.?

Seems like the only "rights" you're concerned about is Musk's. Or you can't see the obvious deceit in what Musk is saying.

#35 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-01 06:47 PM | Reply

Elon Musk is simply unhappy his Tesla factories are closed.
He's no different than Tyson Foods in this regard.

A full page ad in the New York Times warning of a Tesla shortage might actually be a good PR move on his part.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-01 07:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The individual's right not to put themselves at risk of contracting COVID-19 because Musk tells them they have no choice but to work or lose their job, their health care, etc.?"

That's literally not what he said at all. For a third time:

"If somebody wants to stay in their house, that's great," Musk said, according to a recording of the call reviewed by CBS News. "They can stay in their house and they should not be compelled to leave."

Is this enough, or do you need it posted a fourth, fifth, sixth...how many times will be enough?

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-02 03:13 AM | Reply

"Seems like the only "rights" you're concerned about is Musk's. Or you can't see the obvious deceit in what Musk is saying."

I don't see any "obvious deceit." Maybe you can mansplain me.

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-02 03:14 AM | Reply

"Yes people should be free to risk THEIR OWN lives, but they should not be free to risk OTHERS lives."

It seems like me, you agree with Mr. Musk as well.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-02 03:15 AM | Reply

A full page ad in the New York Times warning of a Tesla shortage might actually be a good PR move on his part.

#36 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-05-01 07:02 PM | FLAG:

Can't have a shortage when there are no sales.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-05-02 08:55 AM | Reply

Is this enough, or do you need it posted a fourth, fifth, sixth...how many times will be enough?

You can post it over and over again interpreting his words the way you wish, but he's not saying anything about allowing his employees to stay home. You're making that link. Until he explicitly says that since his concern is production no interpretation you try and make is going to mean squat.

#41 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-02 02:12 PM | Reply

"You can post it over and over again interpreting his words the way you wish, but he's not saying anything about allowing his employees to stay home."

"If somebody wants to stay in their house, that's great," Musk said, according to a recording of the call reviewed by CBS News. "They can stay in their house and they should not be compelled to leave."

Is English a second language for you? I don't get it. He's LITERALLY saying "The can stay in their house and they should not be compelled to leave."

He said that. You're making the assumption that his belief is that his employees should be compelled to leave. Yet you have nothing to base that on. Other than your own bias.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-02 04:03 PM | Reply

It seems like me, you agree with Mr. Musk as well.

#39 | Posted by madbomber

No, you and musk think it's not right to be forced to not endanger others. Lifting restrictions will get people killed. That's simply a scientific fact. I expect someone like musk to respect science. I don't expect someone like to.

Most of the virus deniers are the same morons who say we don't need to worry or act on climate change either.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-02 04:59 PM | Reply

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