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Friday, May 01, 2020

US President Donald Trump has appeared to undercut his own intelligence agencies by suggesting he has seen evidence coronavirus originated in a Chinese laboratory.

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Earlier the US national intelligence director's office said it was still investigating how the virus began. But the office said it had determined Covid-19 "was not manmade or genetically modified".

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"I don't understand how traffic, how people weren't allowed into the rest of China, but they were allowed into the rest of the world. That's a bad, that's a hard question for them to answer."

He knows very well that Americans previously had access to those labs before he cut funding for them.

Other than that, this is a garbage article, which "seems to" conflate the bioweapon theory with the lab theory.

#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-01 02:03 AM | Reply

Other than that, this is a garbage article, which "seems to" conflate the bioweapon theory with the lab theory.

#1 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

That's the only thing that can be definitively determined.

If this thing was introduced to the market by a lab worker who had an accident there's no way of knowing that for US agencies.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-01 09:29 AM | Reply

Yeah, there's no way this came from Darth Fauci's favorite Wuhan lab where they were deliberately trying to break the bat-human barrier with Coronavirus so they could play with some new drugs, against the wishes of many from the medical community. Purely coincidental.

#3 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-05-01 10:33 AM | Reply

@#2 ... there's no way of knowing that for US agencies. ...

From the cited article...

...What did the intelligence service say?

In a rare public statement, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which oversees US spy agencies, said on Thursday it concurs with the "wide scientific consensus" regarding Covid-19's natural origins.

"The [intelligence community] will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan."

It was the first clear response from American intelligence debunking conspiracy theories - both from the US and China - that the virus is a bioweapon....


At this point I'm still keeping an open mind.

However, Pres Trump's serial prevarication in order to create an enemy to attack weighs heavily upon the veracity (or lack thereof) of his statements here.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-01 10:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah, there's no way this came from Darth Fauci's

Jesus Christ you Trumpers are beyond stupid.

Fauci is far more respectable than Trump but you tools will run him out on a rail because he dares to disagree with dear leader.

What a pathetic --------- you are.

favorite Wuhan lab where they were deliberately trying to break the bat-human barrier with Coronavirus so they could play with some new drugs, against the wishes of many from the medical community. Purely coincidental.

#3 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

Link?

They wouldn't need to do that. There's already a coronavirus that broke that barrier that could be studied for that purpose. Hint, it's related to SARS-CoV-2. It's even in the name!

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-01 11:22 AM | Reply

However, Pres Trump's serial prevarication in order to create an enemy to attack weighs heavily upon the veracity (or lack thereof) of his statements here.
#4 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Unless they were able to identify the true patient zero as a lab worker there's no way they could state definitively that it was a lab accident that let this out.

This is nothing more than dangerous misinformation from Trump and his people to muddy waters and give him a scapegoat to rail against during the campaign.

Anybody that still supports this man deserves COVID.

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-01 11:23 AM | Reply

Those are a lot of words to say Trump is a lying POS.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-01 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Link?

  • www.newsweek.com

  • "According to Richard Ebright, an infectious disease expert at Rutgers University, the project description refers to experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronavirus to infect human cells and laboratory animals using techniques of genetic engineering. In the wake of the pandemic, that is a noteworthy detail.

    Ebright, along with many other scientists, has been a vocal opponent of gain-of-function research because of the risk it presents of creating a pandemic through accidental release from a lab."

    There's already a coronavirus that broke that barrier that could be studied for that purpose. Hint, it's related to SARS-CoV-2. It's even in the name!

    They were looking at additional ways for breaking that barrier.

    FTA:

    "A second phase of the project, beginning that year, included additional surveillance work but also gain-of-function research for the purpose of understanding how bat coronaviruses could mutate to attack humans. The project was run by EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit research group, under the direction of President Peter Daszak, an expert on disease ecology. NIH canceled the project just this past Friday, April 24th, Politico reported. Daszak did not immediately respond to Newsweek requests for comment.

    The project proposal states: "We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential."

    In layman's terms, "spillover potential" refers to the ability of a virus to jump from animals to humans, which requires that the virus be able to attach to receptors in the cells of humans. SARS-CoV-2, for instance, is adept at binding to the ACE2 receptor in human lungs and other organs."

    #8 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-05-01 11:34 AM | Reply

    Fauci is far more respectable than Trump but you tools will run him out on a rail because he dares to disagree with dear leader.

    What a pathetic --------- you are.

    Fauci should be in jail for advocating the -------- that got us here in the first place.

    There's a good reason why they don't want anyone finding out where this came from. Along that road, you're running into Fauci.

    #9 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-05-01 11:41 AM | Reply

    #8 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

    All of that is easily tested.

    We know that there are several lineages of the virus and testing whether they differ in binding ACE2 is an easy way to test if there were "bat virus" strains that changed to human strains.

    Fauci should be in jail for advocating the -------- that got us here in the first place.

    It's funny how the "party of freedom" so casually advocates for people to be jailed.

    Gain of function research is incredibly valuable and should be done. I'm guessing that that topic is above your paygrade but go ahead and try to argue anyway.

    There's a good reason why they don't want anyone finding out where this came from. Along that road, you're running into Fauci.

    #9 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

    The only people claiming we don't want to know where this virus came from are the idiots like you who are trying to pin this on Fauci to save Trump.

    BTW if what you say is true, why did Trump have the NIH kill the funding for the project that investigates bat to human coronavirus transmission?

    #10 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-01 12:09 PM | Reply

    All of that is easily tested.

    Super. I wish Darth Fauci and Team Fluhan would have taken your advice. Unfortunately this work was entrusted with some seriously negligent individuals, and here we are.

    It's funny how the "party of freedom" so casually advocates for people to be jailed.

    If unprecedented global destruction is your idea of casual, I wonder what gets you out of bed in the morning?

    Gain of function research is incredibly valuable and should be done. I'm guessing that that topic is above your paygrade but go ahead and try to argue anyway.

    Ooh, sick burn! Sorry, it isn't my recommendation that this isn't a good idea, so send your appeal to authority weaksauce elsewhere. You'd know that if you'd RTFA, genius.

    #11 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-05-01 12:25 PM | Reply

    Super. I wish Darth Fauci and Team Fluhan would have taken your advice. Unfortunately this work was entrusted with some seriously negligent individuals, and here we are.

    That was speaking about future studies, moron.

    As in are there signs of adaptation to human hosts observed in later strains that are absent in earlier strains. There was at least one paper that suggested that that was the case.

    If unprecedented global destruction is your idea of casual, I wonder what gets you out of bed in the morning?

    If the unprecedented leap of stupidity to blaming Fauci for an as yet unproved laboratory accident in China is your idea of critical though I wonder if you can walk and chew gum at the same time.

    Ooh, sick burn! Sorry, it isn't my recommendation that this isn't a good idea, so send your appeal to authority weaksauce elsewhere. You'd know that if you'd RTFA, genius.
    #11 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

    I'm aware there are scientists who are against that work. I work closely with an influenza lab and followed the original story several years ago when the put the moratorium in place.

    But it wasn't an appeal to authority. It was a prediction that you don't understand the topic beyond what little you've read in a Google search and therefore your opinions on this, much like everything it seems, are meaningless.

    #12 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-01 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "If unprecedented global destruction is your idea of casual, I wonder what gets you out of bed in the morning?"

    Millions of Americans get out of bed and drive to work in the morning, casually destroying the globe via warming.

    #13 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-01 02:51 PM | Reply

    "Fauci should be in jail for advocating the -------- that got us here in the first place."

    That's not going to happen, just like Trump is not going to jail for lifting the ban just for the sake of spitefully undoing an 'Obama-era' regulation or for making U.S oversight at the labs more difficult with his posturing towards 'Jina.

    IF Dr. Fauci was aware of both the State Department memo from 2018 and also of the renewed contract with that lab in 2019, then yes that would be problematic for him. You would have to establish that before you even begin to start accusing him of culpability for this specific incident.

    #14 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-01 03:50 PM | Reply

    Trump is pushing his agenda with baseless arguments. Surprise!!

    However, it is ridiculous that China should not be held accountable for this mess. They have withheld information that directly helped the spread of Covid, not to mention nationwide atrocious hygiene and culinary practices.

    #15 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2020-05-02 06:57 AM | Reply

    I've eaten at restaurants and fast food places in both China and the US, and I'll take take the hygiene and culinary practices of China's any day.

    #16 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-02 02:36 PM | Reply

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