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Sunday, May 03, 2020

The New York Times editorial board has called for the sexual assault allegations brought by a former staff assistant from Joe Biden's Sentate office be thoroughly investigated. In March, Tara Reade alleged that Biden assaulted her 27 years ago and Reade says she made a formal complaint in 1993. The NYT editorial board goes on to say that the search for that record should be comprehensive including Biden's Senate documents donated to the University of Delaware in 2012. The editorial notes that Trump has been accused of sexual harassment of assault by more than a dozen women. "Those claims also should be investigated, and the Republicans concerned about Mr. Biden's behavior now should be at least equally focused on the questions about Mr. Trump's."

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I agree with this 100%, unlike with the GOP's outright dismissal of the allegations against Justice Kavanaugh, the DNC should immediately do a thorough investigation to put this behind Biden before the GE starts in earnest.

#1 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-05-03 12:04 AM | Reply

Do they recommend the GOP investigate the allegations against Trump? Yeah, I know: why bother? We already know how RNC will rule and that GOP don't care.

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-03 12:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Why does it he DNC have to be like the repubs? They suck. The DNC should be better than that. If Biden is innocent he should not fear an inquiry. If they Stonewall it makes Biden look guilty as hell.

#3 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-03 12:49 AM | Reply

The DNC could hire someone to investigate her claims. The investigators could look at Biden's Senate records and release any that are relevant to Reade (rather than having the GOP demanding all his Senate records be released). The GOP won't do the same with regard to Trump, and they won't believe the Biden investigation if it doesn't confirm Reade's account. One problem I have with such an investigation is that the people who talk to the investigators won't be under oath, but that can't be helped. It's too bad the FBI and DOJ have been so politicized, because all presidential candidates really should have to pass a background check. Trump wouldn't be president today if that had been a requirement.

Allegation against Biden prompts reexamination of "Believe women"

www.msn.com"believe-women"/ar-BB13w3EA?ocid=spartandhp

#4 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-03 09:00 AM | Reply

Allegation against Biden prompts reexamination of "Believe women"

www.washingtonpost.com

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-03 09:02 AM | Reply

Trump is a compulsive liar, life long cheat and serial rapist.

Biden isn't.

Investigation over.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-03 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Biden did do what Reade accuses him of and if he and his staff managed to cover up the crime for 27 years, then he shouldn't be the Democratic nominee for president let alone president. Yes, he would still be a hundred times better than Trump, but, no, that isn't good enough.

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-03 09:56 AM | Reply

Agreed, but how can we find out? She claimed she filed a sexual harassment claim, but there is no record. Believeher ends when she is caught in lies about the accusation, let alone the wierd Putin obsession.

Now back to the Rapist in Chief. Trumps accusers need their chance to be heard. We can have one a week describe Trumps attack and their corroborating evidence. After 20 weeks a pattern will emerge.

#8 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-03 10:07 AM | Reply

I would have zero confidence in an investigation performed by any agency under the authority of William Barr and Donald Trump.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-03 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I would have zero confidence in an investigation performed by any agency under the authority of William Barr and Donald Trump.

#9 | Posted by danni at 20

No one should have confidence.

But look for Trump to suggest it happens.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2020-05-03 12:19 PM | Reply

"I would have zero confidence in an investigation performed by any agency under the authority of William Barr and Donald Trump.

#9 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2020-05-03 11:30 AM"

Pretty sure you didn't read the article, the NYT is calling for the DNC to investigate this, not Barr and his lackeys.

#11 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-05-03 12:45 PM | Reply

How is the GOP investigation into Trumps history of rape going?

#12 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-03 12:50 PM | Reply

the DNC should immediately do a thorough investigation to put this behind Biden before the GE starts in earnest.

They don't have to. It was already done in 2008 by the Obama vetting committees. Anybody remember even one of Obama's high appointees having anything untoward come out after they were placed inside his administration over something that they'd done before?

Nope. If anything, Obama's folks were over-careful in their evaluations of potential staff because they had to be considering the circumstances and the unforgiving nature of Obama's opponents and detractors.

This isn't just my opinion, there are multiple stories now out about this same topic. No one found anything untoward about Biden's contacts with women over the length of his career up to 2008. The story still hasn't changed.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-03 12:57 PM | Reply

Dump the chump, he's got too much baggage. He's a crappy candidate anyhow. There's still time to find someone better and more progressive,who's not a million years old and senile.

Why are Democrats so risk adverse? The repubs blaze ahead and usually win. While the Dems hang back. Play it safe. And almost always,
LOSE.

WHY IS THAT?

#14 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-03 01:07 PM | Reply

"Why are Democrats so risk adverse?"

Why are you so accepting of four more years of Trump?
Is it because you don't live in the United States?

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-03 01:18 PM | Reply

Do they recommend the GOP investigate the allegations against Trump?

The GOP don't have any issues with rape.

They believe, and have actually said, Rape is part of God's plan.

No. They don't care about rape or women. But. They know democrats do.

So. That's why they're attacking Biden.

You'll notice they've never made a single peep about Trump. Not one. Never.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-03 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This idea is so absurd its difficult to imagine that anyone on the Times ed board has ever made come in contact w an unindexed archival records collection or why they imagine anyone would trust the DNC to conduct such an investigation."

twitter.com

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-03 02:01 PM | Reply

Stephanie Cutter @stefcutter

Want to say something here: what is happening to Biden re: Del. records is same that happened to Hillary re: emails. Why are we doing this again? Biden WAS investigated in 2008 -- lawyers found nothing. Obama would not have put up with any HINT of any like this. 1/

Matt Viser @mviser
May 1

NEW: The lawyer who oversaw the vetting of Joe Biden for Obama tells us: "This kind of complaint " not just Tara Reade, but any kind of complaint about Senator Biden on sexual harassment " never came up...we found no such accusation."

washingtonpost.com

9:52 AM May 2, 2020Twitter Web App

Stephanie Cutter @stefcutter

May 2

Replying to
@stefcutter

And, I've packed up Senate records. Why would a Senator send personnel records to a place dedicated to his or her legacy? It just doesn't happen. Ever. Those records, if they exist at all, are not in Delaware. Let's not buy into this right wing --------, please. 2/

Stephanie Cutter @stefcutter

May 2

Biden called for Senate to release records related to this-let's give him credit for doing the right thing. I've never seen anyone else stand up like this and handle an allegation against them in such a transparent, honorable way. Not our current president, that's for sure.3/

Stephanie Cutter @stefcutter

May 2

Let's keep perspective here. Let's keep the stakes in mind. Take a breath, please. 4/4
twitter.com

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-03 02:20 PM | Reply

what is happening to Biden re: Del. records is same that happened to Hillary re: emails.

Why are we doing this again?

The GOP knows Democrats won't vote for a rapist. So. Muddy the waters.

The GOP know some moderates won't vote for a rapist. So. Muddy the waters.

I'm not sure why the DNC hasn't interviewed ever single woman who has accused Trump of sexual misconduct.

Don't expect Conservatives to ask why Trump hasn't been investigated. They're still looking for payback for Kavanaugh.

Need proof. Read everything Jeff posts. He's furious over the Kavanaugh hearings. Demands the same of Biden. Never once has wanted Trump investigated. Regardless of lying about being a #NeverTrumper.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-03 02:34 PM | Reply

Wow Tony, how far you have fallen..

Joe is known to touch and smell women inappropriately throughout his entire career, so obviously the Obama vetting process is filled with scrubbing bubbles. Obviously.

#20 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-05-03 08:05 PM | Reply

Joe is known to touch and smell women inappropriately throughout his entire career,

And he's admitted to the same. But no one other than Ms. Reade has ever claimed that he sexually assaulted them. And 27 years ago, she never made that claim in any recorded manner, and didn't publicly until very recently, even though Biden has remained in politics ever since.

I refuse to ignore that she has no corroborating evidence backing her claim that didn't start from her own telling of her original story. And I also see that Joe Biden has no way to refute her allegations because she has no recollection of when and where the alleged assault took place. If she defined a time and place, Biden's actual recorded schedule could have either supported her in showing that they were together at that time or definitively refuted it should Biden have been with others or somewhere else altogether.

I haven't fallen for anything but the facts as we know them. There is no court in the land that would find Joe Biden guilty of sexual assault based on nothing but Tara Reade's own word of something alleged to have happened 27 years ago that she never described as sexual assault then, nor in the decades since up until almost now. If the known evidence changes, then so might my opinion of what did or did not happen.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-03 09:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21

I agree with you but you do realize that if you did a "replace" on your last two paragraphs for "Joe Biden" with "Brett Kavanaugh" etc. you would sound exactly like the GOP in late September 2018?

#22 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-05-03 09:58 PM | Reply

if you did a "replace" on your last two paragraphs for "Joe Biden" with "Brett Kavanaugh" etc. you would sound exactly like the GOP in late September 2018?

In no way whatsoever. Kavanaugh had copious evidence that pointed against him, starting with his own behavior during the time in question. I wrote thousands of words and reposted literal mountains of potential evidence against Kavanaugh's assertion of innocence far beyond just Ford's own words and recollections.

There is not a single piece of evidence against Joe Biden but for Tara Reade's word. Although witnesses were not in the room where Ford alleged her assault happened, there was direct corroboration that there was indeed a gathering that fit Ford's description. Reade's has no specific time nor place, while Kavanaugh's own calendar dovetailed Ford's allegations, something she had no foreknowledge of.

I cannot believe you'd make such a reckless and false comparison to two events that have little in common when the FBI was kept from compiling more evidence and witness statements regarding Kavanaugh, where with Reade she has provided nothing to be investigated but for her complaint that must have evaded the thorough vetting of Obama's team in 2008.

#23 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-03 10:17 PM | Reply

Tony, I am not talking about the nature of the various allegations but the wording of your post.

I had a fairly conservative partner of mine from our Atlanta Office say the exact same thing, almost word for word, about Judge Kavanaugh at the time, which I was immediately reminded of when I read your post.

#24 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-05-03 10:26 PM | Reply

Sure Tony, Joe's "clean as a whistle!"

What are your thoughts on Reade's mother calling Larry King and her neighbor confirming to the detail?

Doesn't that put into question any federal "vetting" as rather a scrubbing process?

Trotting out otherwise adequate women politicians to defend this lifts the DNC veil slightly.. it's tentacles squeezing out it's status quo opioid pablum from any Tom, Dick and Mary.

#25 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-05-04 01:08 AM | Reply

Now they can end every news story by saying Biden is under investigation for sexual assault. Exactly what they did to Clinton. Liberals eat that stuff up. Plus sex. Liberals made a female statement enough for conviction. We may as well remove him now.

Four more years is guaranteed.

#26 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-04 10:12 AM | Reply

"I'm not sure why the DNC hasn't interviewed ever single woman who has accused Trump of sexual misconduct."

Aren't you also a "defund and destroy the DNC" guy?

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-04 10:25 AM | Reply

NYT Editorial Board: Investigate Tara Reade's Allegations

Why?

Trump voters have declared that sexual harassment and assault don't matter.

So they shouldnt matter for dems either.

Investigate trump first, if you want to investigate biden.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-04 12:54 PM | Reply

No worries folks!

Humpy has his best people on this. They are investigating right now and you can't believe what they are finding!

They finding some incredible stuff!

But it's none of our business

and so...we will see!

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-04 01:00 PM | Reply

Trump voters have declared that sexual harassment and assault don't matter.

So they shouldnt matter for dems either.

Problem is. It does matter for Dems when someone is a rapist or involved in sexual assault/harassment.

Biden and Reade should sort this out. Like Trump and Stormy.

Deal with it and move on, or drop out and let someone who isn't a molester have an opportunity to run.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-04 01:25 PM | Reply

Y'know, if this is all the GOP has got on Biden, then Trump is toast. I am almost of the mind-set that instead of wishing these allegations would hurry up and go away, maybe it is far better for Biden to have them linger, as a glaring counterpoint to all Trump's perversions and lies.

#31 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-05-04 01:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's the main issue:

She filed a Congressional Complaint sometime after the alleged incident.

But the complaint does not contain anywhere near the same story she is now telling.

There are no witnesses she told the story to around the time of the alleged event with the details she now alleges.

There's no corroborating evidence.

There's really nothing but her allegation when it comes to the details.

The only thing we have from the time is an allegation by her that something happened she didn't like.

#32 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-04 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I like Clownshack's solution. But. Let's be honest here. It's not Biden who needs to sort this out, it's Bernie. He needs to step in.

#33 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-04 05:35 PM | Reply

I like Clownshack's solution. But. Let's be honest here. It's not Biden who needs to sort this out, it's Bernie. He needs to step in.

#33 | Posted by BruceBanner

Or warren. Everyone's number 2 choice is sometimes the best overall number 1 choice

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2020-05-04 06:50 PM | Reply

SPEAK

I think you're going to find out that both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are going to find a safe haven in the Biden Administration.

#35 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-05-04 07:06 PM | Reply

It's not Biden who needs to sort this out, it's Bernie.
#33 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Great deflection, Bruce.

Biden is safely tucked under you wing.

You dumb hen.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-04 07:29 PM | Reply

I think you're going to find out that both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are going to find a safe haven in the Biden Administration.

I can't believe that Sanders fans don't realize that if Biden takes the White House and Dems control the Senate then Bernie will be the chairman of the Budget Committee - basically giving him more power and influence over spending than he would have as President. It's everything his supporters should want.

And Warren is not going to be Biden's VP or a likely pick for his Administration unless the Dems have a multi-seat majority in the Senate. Massachusetts has a Republican governor and it would be political malfeasance to voluntarily give up a hard won seat and basically cut your own nose off to spite your face in the process.

#37 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-04 08:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#36 you don't actually believe this happened, do you?

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-04 08:55 PM | Reply

Leave Joe alone. He'll be schitting himself by November.

#39 | Posted by willowby at 2020-05-04 09:32 PM | Reply

Four more years is guaranteed.
#26 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

You're right, but not because of Reade's accusations.

Too bad you're too short sighted to realize that.

But carry on. You have much more water to carry.

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-04 10:05 PM | Reply

Whoah. Well, I'm newly convinced. Thanks Rsty.

#41 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-04 10:19 PM | Reply

Thanks Rsty.
#41 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

That's what I'm here for.

#42 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-04 11:33 PM | Reply

While you search for the purest pony, Moscow Mitch is stacking the courts.

#43 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 12:03 AM | Reply

you don't actually believe this happened, do you?
#38 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Define, "this"?

It's not beyond Biden to possibly feel up a woman.

Like I said, Biden needs to deal with it. Address it. Or don't.

Who cares.

No one is voting for Biden. It's Trump we're voting against.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 01:28 AM | Reply

While you search for the purest pony, Moscow Mitch is stacking the courts.

He's up for reelection.

Do you know who Amy McGrath is?

Have you donated to her campaign?

Have you done anything to help removing McConnell from office?

Please. Do.

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 01:33 AM | Reply

Just as Clinton "legitimized" oral $ex, Gropin Joe made his contribution to society..

#46 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-05-05 02:29 AM | Reply

#46

Don't forget the ----- grabber.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 02:34 AM | Reply

CLOWN

"It's not beyond Biden to possibly feel up a woman."

It's just very much out of character. And her story has changed radically from the original.

From a shoulder rub to a sexual assault?? Really??? Gimme a break!

#48 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-05-05 03:36 AM | Reply

"We need to investigate Trump." Where have you been for the last 4 years?

#49 | Posted by fishpaw at 2020-05-05 07:27 AM | Reply

"From a shoulder rub to a sexual assault?? Really??? Gimme a break!"

We talk here all the time about why rape victims and people who have been sexually assaulted don't go the the police to report. It's very common for a sexual assault victim to slowly, over time, reveal the true nature of their assault, depending on who they are speaking with and how they believe their account would be received. Admitting you are a victim of something like this is not something that is easy to come to terms with. The PTSD can manifest itself in numerous ways. Especially in a high profile case that you know will lead to being dragged through the mud and receiving death threats like she is.

#50 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-05-05 09:45 AM | Reply

#44 #45

You mean like you are?lop They haven't approached you yet to run their campaigns? The message of likely rapist is so easy for you to throw around. The truth is that you're doing that for your own hurt self esteem. You're butthurt and throwing around shade.

#51 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 10:02 AM | Reply

HC you should add that nobody can explain all of that or use it to determine the truth about a false allegation. Nor can they say that any of that pertains to Tara.

#52 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 10:23 AM | Reply

Democrats: "Believe women!"

Also Democrats: "Ignore Tara Reade!"

Well played democrats. Well played.

I'm not sure why Biden can't address this.

The president of the United States is a rapist. He said so. "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab them by the Pu***. You can do anything."

Unfortunately for Tara Reade, our options are Trump the rapist, or Joe Biden who may have molested her.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 10:58 AM | Reply

#51 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

What does this stupid word salad mean?

I asked you a simple question:

Did you donate to Amy McGrath's campaign? Or is complaining about McConnell all you're able to do?

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 11:04 AM | Reply

#54 now I ask you in return, have you ever stuck your toe in your own --------? The pinky toe.

#55 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 12:20 PM | Reply

Democrats: "Believe women!"
Also Democrats: "Ignore Tara Reade!"
Well played democrats. Well played.

#53 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2020-05-05 10:58 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Oh no you don't. That's not the Democrats. That's Snoofy and the crew like TruthHurts.

#56 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 12:22 PM | Reply

You're angry, Clown, and you're looking to burn it all down like a good Bernie Bro. Tara's a Bernie Bro too. She waited until Bern couldn't win to pull this. Now you're blaming Dems.

#57 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 12:25 PM | Reply

Now we see the Bernie Bros damning Biden with faint praise. That way they can hide from what they're doing. Losers.

#58 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 12:45 PM | Reply

Bruce.

Are you unable to hold a discussion? Your responses to my posts are so off I'm not even sure what you're responding to.

You brought up McConnell ruining the judicial branch. McConnell is up for re-election in November. I asked if you've donated to Amy McGrath (she's the Democratic candidate running against him).

Your response: "now I ask you in return, have you ever stuck your toe in your own --------? The pinky toe.
#55 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER"

WTF? Literally WTF does that have to do with anything?

Are you worth responding to you? I don't know. Every time you post, you prove yourself to be dumber than before.

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 12:51 PM | Reply

Maybe I'm holding up a mirror to your line of questioning.

You ask me some nonsense about my spare time and I ask you back.

What are you having for lunch today?

What was the last time you gave a homeless woman money?

You prefer Jordan's or af1s?

#60 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 12:59 PM | Reply

#55, #56, #57, #58 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Try taking a breath between posting.

It doesn't matter how much nonsense you spam. Biden is creepy. I've seen enough pictures of him grabbing onto young girls to be creeped out by him.

He's still a better choice than Trump. He's still better for America and Americans than Trump.

Stop lying to yourself Bruce. Biden isn't perfect. He's just better than Trump. Hopefully that's enough to get him elected.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 01:01 PM | Reply

Y'know, if this is all the GOP has got on Biden, then Trump is toast.

They also have the fact that Biden has early onset dementia, and is going to have to appear lucid on a regular basis for the next seven months.

#62 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2020-05-05 01:13 PM | Reply

Biden is smarter than you Bro.

#63 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 01:15 PM | Reply

Maybe I'm holding up a mirror to your line of questioning.

More lying to yourself? Why?

You ask me some nonsense about my spare time and I ask you back.

You brought up Mitch McConnell stacking the courts. Perhaps you didn't mean to. Who knows. You're not making any sense. So. Why start now.

What are you having for lunch today?

Just as relevant as anything else you've posted. I'll probably make myself a salad.

What was the last time you gave a homeless woman money?

Specifically a woman? Not sure I don't keep track. Believe the last homeless person I gave money to was pretending he needed gas money. I knew he was lying. But I had a few dollars in my pocket and I have him a couple.

You prefer Jordan's or af1s?
#60 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Neither. I prefer adidas.

You figure out who Amy McGrath is yet. I mean. I've told you a few times now. You understand why, if you're actually interested in removing McConnell from Congress, you should support her?

Do you understand, regardless of the presidential election, if the Republicans continue to be the majority in the senate and McConnell remains in the senate, nothing changes. It becomes Garland all over again.

Did you mean to bring up McConnell?

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 01:16 PM | Reply

They also have the fact that Biden has early onset dementia,

So does Trump. Difference being, Trump has already proven himself to be a disaster.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 01:19 PM | Reply

Tonight the Secretary of the Senate responded to Qs from Biden campaign lawyer, specifying they can't disclose even the existence of a potential complaint. But it also provided doc explaining what the complaint process would have looked like at the time

twitter.com

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-05 01:23 PM | Reply

"Stop lying to yourself Bruce. Biden isn't perfect."

You keep adding that to every post. It's called damning with faint praise.

#67 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 01:40 PM | Reply

Bruce attached wheels to the goal posts so he can move them anywhere he wants.

He wants to tell Tara Reade she's a lying B*ych who should shut her lying mouth up. Bruce doesn't believe women. After all. He's a conservative.

So. For some reason. He brought up Mitch McConnell stacking the courts.

When I asked what he's done to help Amy McGrath win in November, he dried up like dogshht.

Now he's spitting out nonsense and bringing up Bernie.

Dance Bruce Dance!! You and your goalposts! Tango like Biden's life depends on it!

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 01:47 PM | Reply

#believewomen means believing women and investigating their claims.

You're using #MeToo and #believewomen for your own fun. Protecting women is your plaything.

#69 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 01:54 PM | Reply

"So. For some reason. He brought up Mitch McConnell stacking the courts."

It shows the stakes that are up for grabs. You need to educate yourself, so you know the importance of elections.

#70 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 01:55 PM | Reply

Reade also claimed Putin is a hunk.
Do we investigate that?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-05 01:59 PM | Reply

"When I asked what he's done to help Amy McGrath win in November, he dried up like dogshht."

This is a strawman argument,meant to silence discourse. Now you are saying everyone on the DR has to donate to this campaign in order to speak? Did you talk to rcade about these new requirements?

So let's see what you're going on about. You want everyone to donate to a political campaign. For what? So they can buy campaign ads. To convince people to not vote for Mitch McConnell. Yet, when I post directly the crimes of Mitch, you are confused about the meaning. So, explain to me why you want to spend my money this way? It seems your strategy for success is to say that you support a candidate even though they are rapists. That sounds like a backhanded attack, disguised as support.

#72 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-05 02:01 PM | Reply

#believewomen means believing women and investigating their claims.

Then why don't you believe Tara Reade? Why are you opposed to investigating her claim?

Like I said in #30, Biden and Reade should sort this out.

You're using #MeToo and #believewomen for your own fun. Protecting women is your plaything.
#69 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

When you wrote that, did it make sense to you?

Again. It seems you'd prefer Reade would just shut up and disappear. You obviously don't believe her.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 02:34 PM | Reply

For some reason. He brought up Mitch McConnell stacking the courts."

It shows the stakes that are up for grabs. You need to educate yourself, so you know the importance of elections.
#70 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Says the guy who doesn't know who Amy McGrath is or that Mitch is up for reelection, or that the presidential election doesn't effect McConnell's ability to screw up the courts.

Remember Merrick Garland? He should be a Supreme Court Justice. McConnell prevented that from happening.

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 02:41 PM | Reply

This is a strawman argument,meant to silence discourse.
#72 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Discourse? Have you been reading your own posts? They're literally some of the dumbest shht written.

Here's a gem, "now I ask you in return, have you ever stuck your toe in your own --------? The pinky toe.
#55 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER"

The rest of #72 isn't worth wasting time to read.

Congratulations, you've proven yourself to be irrelevant.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 02:43 PM | Reply

The problems with Tara Reade's claims:
1. She can't remember when it happened or where exactly.
2. She didn't report it for 27 years.
3. The story she told a newspaper last year is very different than the story she claims now. There was no sexual assault allegation to the paper. (remember the changing story theme)
4. Her explanation for changing her story is that the reporter made her feel "shut down" last year.
5. The people she claims to have told in the office deny it, not simply saying they don't remember it.
6. She claims to have filed a Congressional complaint allegedly sexual assault that she doesn't have even though she kept all of her other Senate records.
7. She lied about losing her job in Biden's office claiming at first it was because she wouldn't work an event and then later it was because of retaliation for her non-existent complaint.
8. Throughout the 90's, she praised Biden.
9. It was only after she threw her support behind Bernie that she brought up the story.
10. She was trashing Putin as well for election interference right up until she released the story about Biden, then suddenly she started praising him and dismissing Russian election interference.
11. The Larry King call was anonymous with no information to trace it to her mother.
12. And if we assume the Larry King call IS her mother, you would expect her mother to present SOME details in the call like typical callers because of their anonymity, but that didn't happen.
13. Reade's brother has reported Tara telling him Biden touched her neck and shoulders in a way that made her uncomfortable but that Tara didn't tell him more. It wasn't until a few days later after Reade's interview came out that his story changed saying she said she was assaulted.
14. There is not a single other identified witness at this point that Tara Reade allegedly told her story to at the time it happened.
15. Two Witnesses have come forward indicating she told them of the event years later but oddly these people were NOT named in a list of people Tara Reade said she told of the alleged sexual assault.
16. There are no other allegations of sexual assault against Biden.
17. Biden's own campaign asked the Senate to produce the alleged complaint by Reade. The Senate Secretary, a former Mitch McConnell staffer, has refused. Why would Biden ask for the complaint to be released IF it existed or had the allegation in it?
18. No one has even been able to confirm that the complaint that Reade says she filed exists.
19. Reade herself has NOT requested the alleged Complaint be released.
20. Now she says she didn't allege sexual assault in her complaint in the early 90's. She only said she was uncomfortable in the complaint that no one can find and Reade didn't keep a copy of.

#76 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-05 03:18 PM | Reply

#76 SYCOPHANT

Reade's neighbor has come forward as a contemporaneous witness knowing details that are not public. Her mother called Larry King, I don't know if you're familiar with what that program is about but the topic that was brought up is regarding Tara apparently being assaulted by Joe Biden. That was one month after she was told.

Maybe you can be helpful and explain specifically which office holds details of personal allegations against Joe Biden? obviously paperwork must have been filed as Tara alleges to have taking this issue up the chain of command.. unless that's been scrubbed entirely leaving us with only the witnesses, including one intern working directly under Reade who remembers to the moment when she was removed from her position only two days after lodging the complaint.

#77 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-05-05 03:37 PM | Reply

"Throughout the 90's, she praised Biden."

I know a few Catholics who praised the priests that molested them for decades after.

A lot of the items on that list betray a serious lack of understanding about or appreciation for how sexual assault victims often behave in the days, months, and years following their victimization.

#78 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-05-05 03:51 PM | Reply

"Her mother called Larry King, I don't know if you're familiar with what that program is about but the topic that was brought up is regarding Tara apparently being assaulted by Joe Biden. That was one month after she was told."

The mother doesn't sound like she was describing her daughter being sexually assaulted. Why would Tara "respect" a man who had just sexually assaulter her the way she claims?:

"Yes, hello. I'm wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in Washington?" she asks. "My daughter has just left there after working for a prominent senator, and could not get through with her problems at all, and the only thing she could have done was go to the press, and she chose not to do it out of respect for him."

Larry King responds: "In other words, she had a story to tell but out of respect for the person she worked for, she didn't tell it?"
"That's true," the caller says.

Those are her words, but you can hear the call hear:

www.cnn.com

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-05 04:59 PM | Reply

"Maybe you can be helpful and explain specifically which office holds details of personal allegations against Joe Biden? obviously paperwork must have been filed as Tara alleges to have taking this issue up the chain of command.. unless that's been scrubbed entirely leaving us with only the witnesses, including one intern working directly under Reade who remembers to the moment when she was removed from her position only two days after lodging the complaint."

See link at #66.

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-05 05:01 PM | Reply

Food for thought and context:

So let's unpack a little of what would take for @JoeBiden to get Tara's complaint removed. First, some basics. It was 1993. He was Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Ken Starr was the United States solicitor general at the time.

He was chosen to review Sen Packwood's diaries by the Senate.

So at this time, the Senate was already actively looking for any complaints of assault or harassment.

Then in 1994, the Ethics in Government Act passed, which gave the independent council near carte blanche when it came to reviewing documents, security cameras, and visitor logs

twitter.com

I can't verify every point made in the twitter thread above, but I did confirm that sexual harassment was a hot topic in the Senate at the time:

When Bob Packwood Was Nearly Expelled From The Senate For Sexual Misconduct

www.npr.org

#81 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-05 05:21 PM | Reply

#76 SYCOPHANT
Reade's neighbor has come forward as a contemporaneous witness knowing details that are not public. Her mother called Larry King, I don't know if you're familiar with what that program is about but the topic that was brought up is regarding Tara apparently being assaulted by Joe Biden. That was one month after she was told.
Maybe you can be helpful and explain specifically which office holds details of personal allegations against Joe Biden? obviously paperwork must have been filed as Tara alleges to have taking this issue up the chain of command.. unless that's been scrubbed entirely leaving us with only the witnesses, including one intern working directly under Reade who remembers to the moment when she was removed from her position only two days after lodging the complaint.

#77 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

Reade's neighbor: Lynda LaCasse
No. Not contemporaneous. The neighbor was allegedly told in the mid-1990's.

Larry King Call
Again no. It was an anonymous caller who Reade CLAIMS was her mother. There is no information showing it was her mother. No corroboration exists. In fact, according to the caller on Larry King, the alleged victim didn't report her story to anyone in order to protect the unnamed senator. But Reade says she filed a complaint. So that makes no sense.

Office holding details of personal allegation
The records would be at the Senate and National Archives. There is no evidence to suggest anything was scrubbed. The National Archives says it doesn't have anything .And Reade, despite keeping all of her Senate records, claims not to have a copy. She has also changed her story as to what she filed in her complaint or that she even filed a complaint.

obviously paperwork must have been filed as Tara alleges
Again, no. Why is this "obvious"? Its perfectly plausible that she didn't file any paperwork OR take it up the "chain of command." Reade herself in 2019 said she never filed a complaint. She said "They have this counseling office or something, and I think I walked in there once, but then I chickened out." After Biden became the nominee, she said she didn't just walk in but filed a complaint as well alleging sexual assault. And NOW she changed her story again saying she did not check the box for sexual assault now but definitely filed the complaint.

one intern working directly under Reade who remembers to the moment when she was removed from her position only two days after lodging the complaint
Two office interns who worked directly with Ms. Reade said they were unaware of the allegation or any treatment that troubled her. I don't know of any other interns saying she was fired two days after filing a complaint. Otherwise, there's an unnamed intern who said Reade told her of the assault but for completely odd reasons told Reade not to mention assault, only harassment.

So if you have more information, we'd love to hear it, but the evidence isn't looking good.

#82 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-05 05:24 PM | Reply

"Throughout the 90's, she praised Biden."
I know a few Catholics who praised the priests that molested them for decades after.
A lot of the items on that list betray a serious lack of understanding about or appreciation for how sexual assault victims often behave in the days, months, and years following their victimization.

#78 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

You chose one issue out of the 20 listed and ignored the rest.

#83 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-05 05:25 PM | Reply

Reade's neighbor has come forward as a contemporaneous witness knowing details that are not public.
#77 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

One more bit here:

There are no details which are not public.

I have no idea what details you could even think the neighbor would know since there is no record of the complaint, there are no secret details in police reports, and the only details of the alleged incident are what Tara Reade has said.

I'd love if you can show me otherwise.

#84 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-05 05:27 PM | Reply

You chose one issue out of the 20 listed and ignored the rest.
#83 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

I think you're missing HC's point.

Which was: "A lot of the items on that list betray a serious lack of understanding about or appreciation for how sexual assault victims often behave in the days, months, and years following their victimization."

Many of those things on your list you're faulting Reade for are common amongst victims of sexual harassment/assault or rape.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 05:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I haven't heard Reade deny she made these changes, so also food for thought:

Tara Reade's Updated Medium Post: All Material Edits

4/29/20 Corrections:
Reade made the new allegations public on March 24th, not the 26th
The "datemodified" in the source code indicates the most recent edit

(Note: My goal is to make this article 100% reproducible and verifiable. All sources are public and can easily be checked.)

In April of 2019, Alexandra Tara Reade (formerly McCabe) wrote on Medium about her experience with Joe Biden. At this time, she was alleging inappropriate contact of a non-sexual nature " one of several women to come forward about Biden's "handsy" behavior.

On March 24, 2020, Reade went public with a sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden. Given this was an addition to her prior account, her post on Medium underwent some level of scrutiny. To be absolutely clear: simply coming forward with new information is not "changing her story". Abuse victims will often speak up about their experiences in different pieces. This is not abnormal.

However, retroactively editing prior statements IS changing her story. Upon inspecting the webpage's source code, it appears Reade has done exactly that. On March 24th " the day she brought her new allegations against Biden " Reade edited her original post on Medium. The post maintained its April 2019 date, making the article look like her updates were part of the original. These updates added significant new information.

romansresearch.wordpress.com

#86 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-05 05:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#85 CLOWNSHACK

That's what makes it so rapacious.

I have heard that there are specific details known by the neighbor which confirm all of the allegation.

Apparently the Obama vetting process intentionally protect its candidates from evidence of rape. A scrubbing if you will. I wonder if rape scrub costs less then just a grope cleanse? Either way it's undoubtedly laundered by taxpayer money, so.. about that privilege of being believed first, evidence last..

#87 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-05-05 06:13 PM | Reply

"Many of those things on your list you're faulting Reade for are common amongst victims of sexual harassment/assault or rape."

He's not stupid, he knows. He just doesn't care.

#88 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-05-05 07:56 PM | Reply

He just doesn't care.

Tara Reade is a sacrifice people are willing to make in order to remove Trump from office

At this point there's two elderly men who want to lead this nation. Both are flawed. One abundantly more so.

I think 2008 has been the only time I've ever voted where I was voting for a candidate rather than against one.

#89 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-05 09:28 PM | Reply

Know Your Op: Weaponizing the Tara Reade Allegation

Who's afraid of Joe Biden? Donald John Trump.

gregolear.substack.com

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-05 11:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Come on man..I heard you like me"..

#91 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-05-06 05:02 AM | Reply

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