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Monday, May 04, 2020

Catherine Carberry would love to go back to work. The staffing agency she works for in Easton, Pennsylvania, regularly offers her temporary gigs at nearby factories and warehouses. The jobs even pay a few dollars more an hour than she's used to making.
But Carberry, 40, can't work. It's not because she's at high risk of contracting COVID-19 or flush with unemployment benefits, as some conservatives would have you believe. Carberry can't work because there's no one to watch her 4-year-old son, Robbie.

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More than half the states in the U.S. are tentatively opening back up, easing restrictions on retail stores and other businesses shuttered to stop the spread of coronavirus. Most day cares and schools, however, are not reopening, and millions of Americans can't get back to business as usual. They have children at home.

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Just let COVID burn through the little tykes.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2020-05-04 12:01 PM | Reply

#1

Wait, I thought we were sacrificing the elderly?

#2 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-05-04 12:33 PM | Reply

Just leave the kids at home with the TV on. We can't let children's lives get in the way of restarting the economy, after all, they can't vote for Trump yet.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-04 12:39 PM | Reply

Women are supposed to stay home and raise the kids anyway.

One salary used to be enough to buy a home and raise a family.

You'd think Republicans would want to go back to that...

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-04 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No problem. Everyone should just get a nanny, like me. Isabella and her sisters Gabrielle and Maria are great at my house, and they cost so little...
--Ivanka, whose children will grow up speaking with Spanish accents

#5 | Posted by catdog at 2020-05-04 01:07 PM | Reply

Women are supposed to stay home and raise the kids anyway.

#4 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-05-04 12:42 PM | FLAG:

This is your opinion?

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-04 03:13 PM | Reply

Childcare was an impediment to working prior to COVID-19. Yes, it is worse now with schools closed, but parents with children younger than school age have been SOL unless they have a hefty salary to pay for daycare or are lucky enough to have grandparents to watch their kids for them. Just another way our government has failed society.

#7 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-04 03:18 PM | Reply

You have to make around $60k to be able to afford child care. Below that you're better off just doing it yourself.

Remember when Patriots blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building along with the daycare center it housed?

Why don't all employers offer free daycare?

If your work is "essential" your employer needs to provide essentials. Including daycare.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-04 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#8 Depending on the cost of housing where you live, the cost of daycare where you live, and the amount of student loan debt you're paying off, it might be considerably more than 60k.

#9 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-04 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Childcare was an impediment to working prior to the movie 9 to 5 .

#10 | Posted by LesWit at 2020-05-04 03:42 PM | Reply

With most child care services no longer functioning, it is much more challenging now.

#11 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2020-05-04 04:02 PM | Reply

This is a nice Catch-22 the Republicans have crafted for the Essenitals.

With the economy opening back up, it's get back to work or get fired and lose unemployment.

And with daycare still closed, it's neglect your child or get fired and lose unemployment.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-04 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"You'd think Republicans would want to go back to that..."

They do want to go back to that...but only for people they deem "worthy"...true patriots. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

#13 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-04 04:15 PM | Reply

Daycare didn't close here. Private and Public school elementary and above did. Many licensed daycare providers still open. Sports and academic summer camps are shuttered though.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-05-04 10:11 PM | Reply

School is childcare.
But it is also socialist so let's fire everyone that needs it.

Or we can get the kids busy digging graves. They love digging.

#15 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-04 10:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

School is childcare.

#15 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2020-05-04 10:23 PM | FLAG:

but it's closed on weekends and the entire summer.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-05-05 10:50 AM | Reply

"Many licensed daycare providers still open."

Finally, some good news for the wealthy.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-05 01:52 PM | Reply

#16 Google summer camps and the 5 day work week you sniveling fascist ball slurper.

#18 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-05 02:12 PM | Reply

Maybe the White House can watch them.

#19 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-05-05 06:04 PM | Reply

So...why isn't childcare open?

Children are very nearly immune to COVID. They're more likely to die of normal flu.

Anyways...it sounds like there is a demand for childcare at the moment...maybe jobs for some of those the government has prohibited from working at their normal place of employment?

BTW, how are things in the states? Here in Germany, bars and restaurants may be opening up as early as this weekend. Woohoo!

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-06 09:13 AM | Reply

Finally, some good news for the wealthy.

#17 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2020-05-05 01:52 PM | FLAG:

Daycare for low income households is subsidized through the Texas Workforce Commission.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2020-05-06 09:23 AM | Reply

Can children pass on the coronavirus disease?

Children with COVID-19 may only have mild symptoms, but they can still pass this virus onto others who may be at higher risk, including older adults and people who have serious underlying medical conditions.
--CDC

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-06 09:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Children with COVID-19 may only have mild symptoms, but they can still pass this virus onto others who may be at higher risk, including older adults and people who have serious underlying medical conditions.
--CDC"

Teenagers can pass it as well. So can young adults. And middle aged adults. And yes, even old adults.

Which is why instead of isolating everyone, you only isolate those who may be at higher risk, including older adults and people who have serious underlying medical conditions.

That would seem like common sense to me. And I actually credited you with having some common sense in a different thread. Was I mistaken?

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-06 10:40 AM | Reply

"you only isolate those who may be at higher risk"

Last week it was risk.

Now it's higher risk.

Anyway, what's your estimate of number of Americans at higher risk? 100 million?

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-06 11:08 AM | Reply

"Anyway, what's your estimate of number of Americans at higher risk? 100 million?"

No. Closer to 12-20 million. Extrapolated numbers based on those over age 65 who have died of COVID, including those who did not have underlying conditions. It represents the most dangerous outcome, but also the least likely.

But I also don't think that those at risk should be isolated by force. Those at highest risk are 75 years and older. I would imagine that many would choose to be vigilant, but to go out and enjoy their last few years, rather than be attended to by workers wearing space suits.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-06 11:25 AM | Reply

12-20 million isn't even everyone in America with heart disease. It's more like 120 million.

Then you've got high blood pressure, COPD, diabetes, asthma, and so on.

I ask this, knowing you have none, but I'll ask anyway. Can I see your math?

These folks did the math: www.kff.org

How Many Adults Are at Risk of Serious Illness If Infected with Coronavirus? Updated Data

Our updated definition of high risk now includes: older adults (ages 65 or older, rather than 60 and older) and adults between the ages of 18 and 64 with heart disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), uncontrolled asthma, diabetes, or a BMI greater than 40.

Key Findings
About four in ten adults (37.6%) ages 18 and older in the U.S. (92.6 million people) have a higher risk of developing serious illness if they become infected with coronavirus, due to their older age (65 and older) or health condition (Figure 1; Table 1).Just over half of those at higher risk of developing a serious illness are ages 65 and older (55.2% or 51.1 million adults); however, the remaining 41.4 million adults ages 18-64 are at risk due to an underlying medical condition.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-06 11:37 AM | Reply

"12-20 million isn't even everyone in America with heart disease. It's more like 120 million."

So...everyone with heart disease is going to be in some way brought down by COVID?

The problem with this study is that it does not quantify risk. They reference "greater" risk, or higher risk, but the study ising using the baseline they're being referenced against as a majority who will be asymptomatic or not require treatments.

And let's be clear, there is no group where the risk of death is zero. But if the probability of someone in a specific demographic dying of COVID is 1/50,000, then "greater" risk would be anything >1/50,000. But even if it's 1/1000, is that a solid enough reason for the government to order a lock-down? Or in the absence of a lock-down, choose to quarantine oneself? The latter is a determination that should be made by the individual, regardless of how much risk they may or may not face.

That's why I preferred to look at mortality rates, because it provides better truth data on who will die, rather than who might. Because we all might die from COVID, however unlikely.

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-07 09:22 AM | Reply

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