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Thursday, May 07, 2020

US universities must hold hearings on campus sexual assault claims where alleged victims and attackers can be cross-examined, according to federal guidelines.

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The idea that I might be on the same side of an issue as Betsy DeVos is sickening to me. She, and her supporters are repulsive rightwing misogynist pieces of ****.

Yet, in this instance, I do feel that it is way too easy for a flimsy allegation to be made against a young man without any proof being required that then results in the young man's reputation being smeared and facing potential University unilaterally enforced punishments. Due process matters. I know that women of course claiming that being forced to testify and be questioned about sexual assault will prevent them from coming forward with complaints. Embarrassment and social stigma is too much for many of them. I say, sadly, 'tough luck'. If you are going to make a serious allegation against another person that will have long term, perhaps even life long, consequences, then you better be willing to be confronted and cross examined. No smear via shadow and innuendo. When it comes to allegations this inflammatory, stand up and be heard, or be quiet.

Insofar as a "middle ground", I have no problem with alleged victims being able to confidentially make such allegations and in turn become eligible for psych or medical services related to such an incident. I do have a problem with The Accused being punished in any way without due process.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-05-06 07:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You're right Mod.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-07 12:03 PM | Reply

With that in mind, what is the proper way to vet allegations made 27 years after the fact by a political operative?

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-05-07 04:44 PM | Reply

#3 Well, if her initial complaint was that she was asked to serve drinks, and now it's changed to a fingering attack, then I think the story can be referred to a therapist.

#4 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-07 05:26 PM | Reply

I have a feeling that sexual assault on campus aren't really a problem anymore and won't be for some time.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-07 10:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Here is a true story. Buddy of mine goes to town with a date, another soldier. Dance and drink, go back to her room, and have sex. Next day he is arrested and charged with rape. The female soldier found out he other soldier was married. Also claimed that she was so drunk she could not give consent. He got two years in prison. Does that sound fair?

#6 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-08 09:44 AM | Reply

"Buddy of mine goes to town with a date, another soldier. Dance and drink, go back to her room, and have sex. Next day he is arrested and charged with rape. The female soldier found out he other soldier was married. Also claimed that she was so drunk she could not give consent. He got two years in prison. Does that sound fair?"

Your buddy took away her right to give informed consent.

#7 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-05-08 10:06 AM | Reply

#7 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine, informed consent? She knew he was married before they had sex. In a he said/she said situation some are more equal than others.

#8 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-08 10:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#8 - Not having a strong, memorable technique may contribute in your comrade's demise. She wouldn't have turned him in, no matter his marital status with a potent performance. Jus sayin'

#9 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2020-05-08 02:41 PM | Reply

#6 | Posted by docnjo - Are you sure it was for rape? What he did is against the "law" in the army. If you are married and have an affair you are going to jail. If it was for rape, it is some utter BS.

#7 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine - I have never had sex with a woman the first time and we were not legally drunk. None of them accuse me of rape so I guess they all took away my right to give informed consent... Just saying. That informed consent bit is utter BS unless she is wasted and even then if you are both in the same condition who's fault is it? Alcohol lowers inhibitions and people act on their impulses...

#10 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-05-09 11:55 AM | Reply

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