Advertisement

Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, May 08, 2020

Just how did the Department of Justice issue such a strong reversal in the prosecution of Michael Flynn? CBS News reporter Catherine Herridge sat down with Attorney General William Barr as Democrats [nominally] on Capitol Hill demanded his resignation for dropping the charges. In an interview that will air more fully tonight, Barr declares that the FBI concocted a perjury trap to extend an illegitimate counterintelligence operation, and that the orders to do so came from the very top of the FBI.

More

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in this discussion must follow the site's moderation policy. Profanity will be filtered. Abusive conduct is not allowed.

He's absolutely correct.

FTA:

The FBI took three weeks, not the requisite five days, to deliberate on and compose Flynn's 302 form.
Peter Strzok, the top agent who interviewed Flynn, took an unusual role in producing the 302, which would normally be the job of the other agent present, Joe Pientka.
In one text to his FBI lover Lisa Page, Strzok tells her he is heavily editing Pientka's 302 form to the point he's "trying not to completely re-write" it.
Page, who did not attend the interview, reviewed the 302 form and made editing suggestions. FBI personnel not present at interviews aren't supposed to edit 302s.
During the process, Page texted Strzok, "Is Andy good with the 302?" " presumably referring to FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe.
Former special agent Thomas Baker said it was "not normal and suspicious" that it took three weeks for Pientka's 302 form to be filed.
Baker: "We never changed an agent's 302. ... So for us to read ... that Peter Strzok said he virtually rewrote the whole thing " it damned them with their own words."
James Gagliano, retired 25-year veteran of the FBI: "For [Strzok] to send that 302 to Lisa Page, a non-badge wearing, non-credential-having FBI agent is unconscionable."
Hovering over all the questions about what happened with Flynn's 302 is the silence of Pientka, the other agent.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 02:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Nothing in your list says they made Flynn lie to the FBI and twice tell a judge he lied to the FBI and knows that is a crime.

#2 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-08 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Barr is corrupt.

He'll create any excuse he can to save Trump and Associates (including himself) from prison. [...]

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-08 02:25 PM | Reply

Nothing in your list says they made Flynn lie to the FBI and twice tell a judge he lied to the FBI and knows that is a crime.

#2 | POSTED BY RCADE

So that makes entrapment OK then?

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 02:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

Barr is evil and a traitor (my words, not Asha's):

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_

1. When Barr testified last May and was asked whether presidential candidates should call the FBI if they are offered by a foreign government, he wouldn't answer. Finally said perhaps, but only if it's a "foreign intelligence service"

9. IN SHORT: Barr believes he'll be on the winning side because he is creating a space where Trump can get foreign election assistance (voluntarily or involuntarily given); the FBI can't investigate him or others for it and DOJ can't charge anyone who helps;

10. people who witness it and try to blow the whistle get buried; Congress (and therefore voters) remain in the dark; and allies who might step up to raise the alarm will have their intel leaked and sources blown.

That's why he's so confident.

twitter.com

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-08 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh, forgot the beginning of the thread:

THREAD. Barr claims that "history is written by the winners." He seems to be strangely confident that he'll be on the winning side. Why would that be? Well, let's see:

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-08 02:32 PM | Reply

Jeff, it was an FBI interrogation. They knew he had lied. He knew he lied. They had a goal in mind, either he told the truth, or they wanted him to suffer the consequences of lying to the FBI. If he had answered honestly, there was no crime. If he lied there was, and they were prepared to press charges. This is the premise of most LEO interviews. He broke the law. He was charged, he plead Guilty and was sentenced.

#7 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2020-05-08 02:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So that makes entrapment OK then?

It isn't entrapment when the FBI asks somebody a question and their answer is a lie. Flynn weren't trapped into lying. He made a choice.

Cops in this country are allowed to lie to criminal suspects during interrogations.

Cops are allowed to conduct fake stings and arrest the people who show up.

Cops are allowed to put an informant with a jihadi-wannabe and give that person a fake bomb to place somewhere, then arrest him when he does it.

What the FBI did to Flynn was normal. They thought he might lie and he did.

#8 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-08 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

So that makes entrapment OK then?
#4 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Fun fact for today.

Jeff doesn't know what entrapment means or how it applies to Flynn.

He spent his time away from the DR pouting and listening to talk hate radio.

He's eager to share all his newly memorized talking points.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-08 02:47 PM | Reply

"For [Strzok] to send that 302 to Lisa Page, a non-badge wearing, non-credential-having FBI agent is unconscionable."

This has no material impact on the allegations against Flynn, Flynn's guilty plea, or Barr's decision to decline to prosecute a slam dunk case.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-08 02:48 PM | Reply

Everyone forgets that Flynn was given the opportunity of pleading guilty to the lying charges in lieu of being charged for more serious crimes.

What he hasn't been charged with:

Media reports said in November that Mueller is investigating an alleged plot involving Flynn and his son, Michael G. Flynn, to kidnap a US-based Muslim cleric from the country for as much as $15 million.

Turkey claims Fethullah Gulen was behind last year's failed coup attempt. Gulen, who lives in rural Pennsylvania, denies the claim.

Questions have also been raised about whether Flynn was secretly paid by the Turkish government during the final months of the Trump campaign, at a time he was advising Trump on foreign policy. Federal prosecutors alleged in court documents filed Friday with his plea that he had also lied in foreign agent registration filings about the work he had done for Turkey, but he was not specifically charged for those false statements.

www.bostonglobe.com

If Flynn's guilty plea is dropped, he still can face other charges wholly unrelated to the FBI's questioning of him on January 24, 2017. This is why Judge Sullivan pretty much called his actions treasonous from the bench during an earlier appearance. I'm sure Sullivan hasn't forgotten any of this.

IOW, Flynn is still an accused criminal subject to prosecution for felony crimes even if Barr is successful in having the guilty lying plea dropped.

And Trump calls him innocent.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-08 02:54 PM | Reply

So that makes entrapment OK then?

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-0

You're a Trump supporter, JEFF.

Stop trying to beat other people over the head with scruples you don't have.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2020-05-08 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can Trump pardon Flynn so that, if by some twist of fate America has a functioning justice system at noon on Jan 20, 2021, Flynn can't be prosecuted at that time?

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-08 03:19 PM | Reply

Andrew C Laufer, Esq @lauferlaw

If it's dismissed with or without prejudice is the crux. If it's w/o prejudice, it can be brought back or refilled. With prejudice means it can never be brought again

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-08 03:24 PM | Reply

So that makes entrapment OK then?

#4 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

So why plead guilty instead of arguing that it was entrapment?

Did he have insufficient legal counsel?

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-08 03:25 PM | Reply

If the judge goes ahead and accepts Flynn's guilty plea then Trump could pardon him.

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-08 03:27 PM | Reply

So that makes entrapment OK then?
#4 | POSTED BY JEFFJ
Nothing you have posted gives any indication that you actually know what "entrapment" or "perjury trap" mean.

Loyalty over Law, it's the only thing that matters under Trump.

#17 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-05-08 03:27 PM | Reply

This:

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_

THREAD. The AG dropping the case on Flynn turns the entire purpose of the Special Counsel regs on its head. The SC is appointed *precisely* to insulate an investigation from influence by a political appointee, namely, the AG. 1/

twitter.com

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-08 03:29 PM | Reply

Did he have insufficient legal counsel?

Barr needed some time to figure out how to get him out.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-08 03:30 PM | Reply

"Andrew C Laufer, Esq @lauferlaw
If it's dismissed with or without prejudice is the crux. If it's w/o prejudice, it can be brought back or refilled. With prejudice means it can never be brought again"

I've read the statue of limitations would expire March 2022, so a Democratic president could get his AG to investigate and retry if the case is dismissed without prejudice.

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-08 03:32 PM | Reply

No matter who, vote blue:

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_

@Popehat, if Judge Sullivan were to dismiss without prejudice, I don't see any double jeopardy issues to him being prosecuted again, do you?

LightOfDayHat @Popehat

Nope. And no statute issues for a while.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-08 03:34 PM | Reply

#4 There was no entrapment. Flynn lied multiple times and plead guilty.

Also, if I am on jury duty and the victim is a Gopper, I will vote to acquit. There are no laws anymore.

#22 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-08 04:12 PM | Reply

Did he have insufficient legal counsel?

#15 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2020-05-08 03:25 PM

Yes. None of this ---- would have seen the light of day had he not ditched Covington and gone with Powell.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 04:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Also, if I am on jury duty and the victim is a Gopper, I will vote to acquit. There are no laws anymore.
#22 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2020-05-08 04:12 PM

A rational, sane response.

#24 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-05-08 05:00 PM | Reply

What the FBI did to Flynn was normal. They thought he might lie and he did.

#8 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2020-05-08 02:40 PM

So they weren't trying to get any useful information out of him. They were asking questions hoping he'd give factually inaccurate answers. They had no predicate to even investigate him which makes any answers he gave immaterial.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 05:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Step 1: Surveil Russians
Step 2: Hear Flynn talking to Kislyak
Step 3: Hear Pence tell the nation: no conversation
Step 4: FBI aware of Kompromat
Step 5: FBI interviews Flynn, who lies
Step 6: Yates informs WH of Kompromat
Step 7: WH keeps Flynn on another 15 days
Step 8: WH fires Flynn for lying to Pence
Step 9: Flynn pleads guilty in court
Step 10: Flynn pleads guilty in court, again.
Step 11: Roy Cohn Jr becomes AG, drops case

Oh, and Step 12: Jeffy polishes turds of lying to the FBI, lying to the VP about national security, and the NSA to The President being on the payroll of foreign governments.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-08 05:12 PM | Reply

Barr is becoming more forceful with his public statements over the entire Russia hoax. To me that suggests Durham is finding ---- that's going to make what Horowitz uncovered look trivial.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 05:29 PM | Reply

Barr is becoming more forceful with his public statements over the entire Russia hoax. To me that suggests Durham is finding ---- that's going to make what Horowitz uncovered look trivial.

#27 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

More likely it's just electioneering.

#28 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-05-08 06:06 PM | Reply

Yes. None of this ---- would have seen the light of day had he not ditched Covington and gone with Powell.

#23 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Insufficient == not getting desired result

The way you're going I expect you to declare OJ innocent any day now.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-08 06:12 PM | Reply

#27 you've gone complete useful idiot I see.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-08 06:13 PM | Reply

#27 you've gone complete useful idiot I see.

#30 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2020-05-08 06:13 PM

Says the guy who prior to the Horowitz report was released screamed that the FISA warrants to spy on Carter Page were lawfully obtained.

At least you changed your view on that once the facts hit your smug face, which is more than I can say for Danforth.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" which is more than I can say for Danforth."

So you're not content with just ONE bald-faced lie?

I've stated since the start bad behavior by law enforcement should be investigated and punished fully. I've also stated since the start those transgressions are molehills compared to the mountains you willfully ignore.

Now all you're left with is lying about me. Are you hammered already???

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-08 07:11 PM | Reply

#32 You've never acknowledged that what occurred with Page was bad behavior.

I remember arguing this with you at the time the IG report was released. I went back through 5 days of your posts at that time and not only did you not condemn what had happened as wrong, you wouldn't even acknowledge that it was wrong.

Further, Carter Page didn't do ANYTHING wrong. The mountain was the unlawful spying on him and there was no molehill.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 07:28 PM | Reply

"Are you hammered already???

POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2020-05-08 07:11 PM "

Donkey Dan sure knows where to hit 'em!

#34 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-08 07:29 PM | Reply

You know how not to be caught in a perjury trap????
DON'T ------- LIE!!!!!!!!

It is really that simple!

#35 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-05-08 07:30 PM | Reply

You know how not to be caught in a perjury trap????
DON'T ------- LIE!!!!!!!!

It is really that simple!

#35 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

You sound like all of those rightwing morons who were extolling the virtues of the invasiveness of the Patriot Act with: If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 07:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Donkey Dan sure knows where to hit 'em!"

Awww, isn't that cute? Goatman swoops in to rescue a two-time bald-faced liar.

Don't you have somewhere to go, to misuse the word "rape" out of ignorance and blame the libs?

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-08 07:57 PM | Reply

Here is what law professor Jonathan Turley has to say:

In the motion below, the Justice Department stresses that "the citizen's safety lies in the prosecutor who ... seeks truth and not victims, who serves the law and not factional purposes, and who approaches [the] task with humility." It also establishes that there was never a satisfaction of the materiality element to the criminal allegation:
"In the case of Mr. Flynn, the evidence shows his statements were not "material" to any viable counterintelligence investigation"or any investigation for that matter"initiated by the FBI. Indeed, the FBI itself had recognized that it lacked sufficient basis to sustain its initial counterintelligence investigation by seeking to close that very investigation without even an interview of Mr. Flynn. See Ex. 1 at 4. Having repeatedly found "no derogatory information" on Mr. Flynn, id. at 2, the FBI's draft "Closing Communication" made clear that the FBI had found no basis to "predicate further investigative efforts" into whether Mr. Flynn was being directed and controlled by a foreign power (Russia) in a manner that threatened U.S. national security or violated FARA or its related statutes, id. at 3."
It further notes that key figures like Andrew McCabe "cut off" objections to the overly aggressive pursuit of Flynn. It describes an effort of former Director James Comey, McCabe, and others to skip common protocols to bag Flynn at any cost on any grounds.
While malicious prosecution cases are notoriously difficult to prove (particularly in a case with a voluntary plea), the motion reinforces the view of many of us that the Justice Department was engaged in a campaign to incriminate Flynn " a campaign that now appears entirely detached from both the evidence and legal standards supporting a criminal charge.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 07:59 PM | Reply

"Don't you have somewhere to go, to misuse the word "rape" out of ignorance and blame the libs?

#37 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Actually, I don't. There's this thing called Covid that has me quarantined. Apparently you are unaware. That's why people like me are around to tutor you and make it safer for the rest of us.

I will also tutor you on using "rape" as a euphemism.

You're more than welcome!

Now scour this post for typos, grammatical errors, or misspellings because that is what you do.

#39 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-08 08:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Actually, I don't. There's this thing called Covid that has me quarantined. "

I meant a thread. Good God you're dense at times.

"I will also tutor you on using "rape" as a euphemism."

Just be sure to include blaming the libs for what Republicans do even more, and base it all on your ignorance of the tax law!

#40 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-08 08:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

OOOOWWW OOOOWWWW (Horseshack impersonation}

Now do Turkey!

Federal prosecutors said in the court filing, which refers to Gulen, though not by name, that Flynn's decision not to disclose that he was aiding the Turkish government "impeded the ability of the public to learn about the Republic of Turkey's efforts to influence public opinion about the failed coup, including its efforts to effectuate the removal of a person legally residing in the United States."

Flynn's false statements about his connections to Turkey were included in his plea agreement with Mueller announced in December 2017, but that document described the project simply as focused on U.S. companies' confidence in doing business in Turkey.

www.nbcnews.com

Does Prof. Turley explain how these attendant charges should be dismissed with prejudice too? How did the FBI entrap Flynn here Jeff? What did they illegally do?

Flynn is a lying, untrustworthy, traitorous POS who was taking money from a foreign government with intent to kidnap and rendition an American citizen for execution. Anyone trying to defend this man needs to take a look at the Constitution because nothing that Flynn has been charged with is considered lawful within it.

#41 | Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-08 08:19 PM | Reply

I will also tutor you on using "rape" as a euphemism.
#39 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Of course Goat uses Rape as a euphemism.

On a different thread he was bragging about all the third graders he hangs out with.

What goes on at Goats place, is probably illegal.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-08 08:27 PM | Reply

"How did the FBI entrap Flynn here Jeff? "

They asked him QUESTIONS! And they KNEW THE ANSWERS!!! Can you imagine anything so dastardly???

Never mind all Flynn had to do was tell the truth. Never mind he lied. Never mind all the Sacklickers would be apoplectic if the shoes were on the other feet.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-08 08:28 PM | Reply

" Good God you're dense at times.

POSTED BY DONKEY SUIT"

Think about that one, DSD.

"Just be sure to include blaming the libs for what Republicans do even more, and base it all on your ignorance of the tax law!
#40 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Sure thing. I've been tutored very well myself. The proggies like you have taught me very well in how to shirk responsibility and blame everything on anyone but themselves. I'll be glad to oblige in the skills you have taught me since you asked so politely.

Tax law? WTF?

Oh, never mind. Donkey suit moving goal posts. Again. I'm still trying to learn that skill. Teach me how you do it so well.

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-08 08:32 PM | Reply

#44 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Nice word salad.

Sad attempt at trolling.

You get a C-

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-08 08:36 PM | Reply

What did they illegally do?

How many times does it have to be explained?

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 08:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

stuart stevens @stuartpstevens

Does anyone else find it a little odd that the defense of Flynn is based on the premise that the man chosen to defend America from the most sophisticated foreign intelligence services was completely bamboozled by a couple of mid-level FBI agents?

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-08 08:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#47 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

That's actually an interesting point.

#48 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-08 09:03 PM | Reply

They asked him QUESTIONS! And they KNEW THE ANSWERS!!! Can you imagine anything so dastardly???

Analyse this clause for us: "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?"

No entrapment here, no agenda to get him fired, nope!

-Also DonkeySuitDan

Blacks Law Dictionary disagrees with you:

What is ENTRAPMENT?
the act of public officers where they lure a suspected criminal into doing a criminal act.

i.e "get[ting] him to lie so we can prosecute him."

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-05-08 09:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

he pled guilty twice.

did they beat flynn with a phonebook?

#50 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-05-08 09:16 PM | Reply

Where exactly is the entrapment, in asking questions and seeing if he tells the truth?

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-08 09:19 PM | Reply

To catch him in a lie is different than to lure him in, create a situation where you can get him to lie.
Also your link doesn't say what you say it says. All it says is:

the act of public officers where they lure a suspected criminal into doing a criminal act.

Which, though it works against your attempt at a restatement, isn't particularly informative. There are much better examples all over the internet that can be cited.

#52 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-08 09:27 PM | Reply

How many times does it have to be explained?
#46 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You have yet to explain it once.

Flynn lied. He got busted.

Now Barr is crying that it was unfair.

Ridiculous.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-08 09:29 PM | Reply

#52

Match these two bolded parts as many times as you need to so that you understand why this, by your own definition, is entrapment:

is different than to lure him in, create a situation where you can get him to lie.

and

"to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?"

#54 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-05-08 09:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Now Barr is crying that it was unfair.

Actually, the Supreme Court held that what the FBI and Prosecutors did was unfair long before Barr got involved.

#55 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2020-05-08 09:41 PM | Reply

"Tax law? WTF? Oh, never mind. Donkey suit moving goal posts."

No, same goalposts; you just got your ass handed to you with your Name one Republican who treats folks the same, and I responded ALL OF THEM. Sorry it made you look so ignorant, but as the President would say, "It is what it is."

How about this: either name one Republican state with an income tax who DOESN'T treat out-of-state workers the same, or admit you didn't know it's mostly done by non-"liberal" states.

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-08 09:43 PM | Reply

J Edgar's FBI. Our version of the KGB.

#57 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-05-08 09:51 PM | Reply

You know Danforth is out of his league when he tries to make the discussion about the intricacies of tax law.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 10:00 PM | Reply

"when he tries to make the discussion about the truth"

FTFY.

You can't handle the truth.

#59 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-08 10:34 PM | Reply

What in the world does tax law have to do with this thread?

#60 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-08 10:39 PM | Reply

"What in the world does tax law have to do with this thread?

#60 | POSTED BY JEFFJ "

Danforth.

That's what

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-08 10:42 PM | Reply

"What in the world does tax law have to do with this thread?"

Goatman blamed the "libs" for something every (mostly-Republican-led) state does, and can't face the fact his ignorance exposed his partisan hackery.

And what did he blame the libs for doing? "Raping" the taxpayers.

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-08 10:55 PM | Reply

Match these two bolded parts as many times as you need to so that you understand why this, by your own definition, is entrapment:

You need to show that Flynn only committed the crime because of harassment or coercion by the FBI, and that without that coercion, the crime never would have been committed.

The quote you cited is a question on intent. It does not establish the intent. It does not establish the action or plan taken.

Until you link that question to an affirmative answer, to a plan, then actions, and then the definition above, you have nothing.

You are stringing a lot together to feed your confirmation bias, which would run 180 for anyone else but one of Trump's buddies.

#64 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-08 11:04 PM | Reply

"And stilll -- you've yet to disprove it. "

WTF are you talking about...disprove what?!? New York does the same thing done by Utah, Idaho, Montana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Indiana, Iowa, Missouri, Kansas, West Virginia, Ohio, South Dakota, Arizona, Nebraska, Arkansas and Kentucky, among others: tax out-of-state workers for wages earned via work done within their state borders. WTF is there to prove or disprove?

You're now at the point where you're blaming ME for YOUR rampant ignorance on the subject.

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-08 11:12 PM | Reply

[...]

Awww....sorry you can't take responsibility for your own stupidity.

Can you at least admit Republican leaders "rape" their out-of-state workers more consistently than the libs...according to YOUR metric?

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-08 11:16 PM | Reply

by your own definition, is entrapment:

Not my definition. That was yours. And it was piss-poor. Didn't you check your own link?

#68 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-08 11:24 PM | Reply

jeffj-

you don't even understand what you're saying most of the time.

now accuse me of a strawman and go grill something.

#76 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-05-09 12:25 AM | Reply

now accuse me of a strawman and go grill something.

#76 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2020-05-09 12:25 AM |

As a fellow Michigander, surely you are aware that today's weather isn't really conducive to firing up the grill. Not that it's stopped me before, but it's cold and ------ today.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 12:45 AM | Reply

You and your ilk are a significant reason why I come here.

#79 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2020-05-09 01:02 AM

That's a really nice thing to say. I am being serious.

Have a great evening. Nothing but the best for you and yours as we all struggle through this global pandemic.

#80 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 01:16 AM | Reply

typical gopman, break the rules and blame someone else.

what kind of a weirdo posts at a place where they think the owner is a liar?

#83 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-05-09 01:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" then revel in the fact someone else gets blamed and punished for it"

i did no such thing.

you're just a flat out liar.

#85 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2020-05-09 01:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But, but, but moder8...."
#84 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Pffft...

I have to admit I laughed at that.

#86 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-09 01:57 AM | Reply

"you're just a flat out liar.

#85 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE "

To quote you:

Link or stink.

#87 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-09 01:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Have a great evening. Nothing but the best for you and yours as we all struggle through this global pandemic.
#80 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Salud, el Jefe!

#88 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-09 02:00 AM | Reply

"Salud, el Jefe!

#88 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 "

Get him to grill for you sometime. I had the pleasure of sitting at his table last January. That boy can cook up some meat!

#91 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-09 02:10 AM | Reply

Salud, el Jefe!

#88 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 AT 2020-05-09 02:00 AM

Thanks, man. You're OK despite what they say about you. :-)

I'll leave you with one of my favorite quotes from my Dad: "I thought I was wrong once. It turns out I was mistaken."

Have a great weekend! I tip my strong beer in your general direction. I'd do the same for Alex but he's huddling under an afghan cursing our wonderful May weather like me.

#93 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 02:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Get him to grill for you sometime. I had the pleasure of sitting at his table last January. That boy can cook up some meat!

#91 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2020-05-09 02:10 AM |

That's very kind of you to say. The real show-stopper that evening was the veggie combo - not only how it was arranged, but how it was cooked - that you put together in my cast iron skillet. As I've told you, we refer to it as "Goatman veggies", although we use your middle name in lieu of "Goatman". I am not knocking the turkey, BTW. I was pretty please with how it turned out. But we'd all had it before. Your veggie dish was new and once you explained it to me and I saw you produce if I've been able to replicate it after a couple of tries.

That was a great day. You have great life stories and I have one for you As you know, my oldest is a budding musician. His best friend in High School is a year older, is a bit of a phenom from a music standpoint, and has been both a great mentor and friend to my oldest. I remember driving them to youth DSO rehearsal (Detroit Symphony Orchestra) and they spent 15 minutes talking about reeds. My son plays the clarinet and his friend plays the sax. The 2 instruments are very similar. The funny thing is although I understood the individual words (they were speaking English) I didn't understand the language. That's how I felt about our collaborative dinner. An outsider could comprehend every word we said but would be completely baffled by the language we were speaking. It was cool ----.

#100 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 02:25 AM | Reply

Jeff -- speaking of roasting veggies, I found a recipe I did thi evening that was wonderful I wanted to tell you about. Of course I used a lot more garlic. This was so simple and delicious.

www.foodnetwork.com

#102 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-09 02:32 AM | Reply

I was going to put it in the other cooking channel and still will. But try it. It's great.

#104 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-09 02:33 AM | Reply

I was going to put it in the other cooking channel and still will. But try it. It's great.

#104 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2020-05-09 02:33 AM

You know I will!

#105 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 02:37 AM | Reply

#100 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Damn it, heavily envious.

I only realized my love for live music, especially string and wind instruments, until late in my life. This COVID situation's biggest most significant draw back really is not being able to attend live performances. I'm a big fan of lounge jazz, but also symphony and a real sucker for solo piano. Ever heard of ASMR? It's a major trigger.

Especially with percussion. I have Buddy Rich albums that I play over and over, specifically his solos. Physiological response.

----, now I'm really laying it out there.

#107 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-09 02:40 AM | Reply

hey were both quoting a movie. a comedy. google it.

you're retarded.

#97 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2020-05-09 02:22 AM

Time for a factual edit.

Danforth plagiarized/paraphrased a movie quote and I pointed that out.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 02:42 AM | Reply

Rsty, jeff is being kind in that he didn't rat me out for gassing his family out of the house. And no, I'm not talking about farting.

#109 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-09 02:43 AM | Reply

I roasted some poblano chili peppers in the house and, um, I guess none of us are really capsicum immune. His poor wife and boys were huddled in the other room while Jeff was opening windows. That's probably the last time his kind wife lets Jeff bring home weird long bearded Texans he met on the internet. LOL

#110 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-09 02:45 AM | Reply

#107 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

You are kindred spirit with my father-in-law. I've never met a person with more passion for live music than him. It's truly something to watch him listen to and ask pointed questions to my oldest as he plays pieces and then expounds on it.

#111 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 02:50 AM | Reply

I roasted some poblano chili peppers in the house and, um, I guess none of us are really capsicum immune. His poor wife and boys were huddled in the other room while Jeff was opening windows. That's probably the last time his kind wife lets Jeff bring home weird long bearded Texans he met on the internet. LOL
#110 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

HAHA!!

You ruined it for all of us!

#112 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-09 02:50 AM | Reply

#110 I've fielded worse complaints when I make shrimp stock.

#114 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 02:51 AM | Reply

#102 Goatman, how can you claim to be an atheist without acknowledging garlic is a gift from god.

#115 | Posted by bruceaz at 2020-05-09 02:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

That ---- lasts for 3 days. Goat's pepper-spray toasted poblanos only fumigate the house for 3 hours or so.

#116 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 02:54 AM | Reply

And I still take credit for saving your family's lives. Has Covid hit your house? Case closed.

#117 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-09 02:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#102 Goatman, how can you claim to be an atheist without acknowledging garlic is a gift from god.

#115 | POSTED BY BRUCEAZ AT 2020-05-09 02:53 AM

Garlic isn't a gift from god. It just wards off vampires. Beer is a gift from God. So is single malt scotch...which means you are not an atheist.

#118 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 02:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Garlic is one of Quezlcoatl's most prized bestowances on us mere mortals

#119 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-09 02:57 AM | Reply

Garlic does indeed ward off vampires. I've eaten it my entire life, keep it on the four posters of my bed, and wear it around my neck 24/7 and I've never been bothered by those bloody bastards.

#120 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-09 02:59 AM | Reply

#117 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2020-05-09 02:56 AM |

I showed my wife a pic of how you cook your chili. At first she praised it. She followed her praise with, "He's such a silly boy." It's up to you as to how you interpret that....

#121 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 02:59 AM | Reply

italics off. Crap!

#122 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 03:00 AM | Reply

#121 LOL. She sounds like my aunt Mary. Luckily, she doesn't look like my aunt Mary.

#123 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-09 03:01 AM | Reply

My aunt Mary has a mustache and chin whiskers I would have been proud to have at 16 years old.

#124 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-09 03:03 AM | Reply

Seems like the only time I really enjoy an ice cold beer is when someone offers me one,they taste the best. Scotch,I have one and I can taste it for 3 days. But garlic is like catnip to me, I could roll around in it.

#125 | Posted by bruceaz at 2020-05-09 03:05 AM | Reply

My aunt Mary has a mustache and chin whiskers I would have been proud to have at 16 years old.

#124 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Well, fortunately my wife doesn't have that so I don't have to worry about stubble-burn when we make out.

#126 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 03:05 AM | Reply

Scotch,I have one and I can taste it for 3 days. - Bruceaz

That was my first experience with Talistker 10 over 25 years ago.

These days the distillers are mostly shooting for small batch offerings. I love the concept and have enjoyed some of the unique bottlings but, for the most part and certainly from a price standpoint, I can't make the case that any of these bottlings are more enjoyable than a Balvenie 12 year doublewoood.

#127 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 03:11 AM | Reply

Garlic isn't a gift from god. It just wards off vampires. Beer is a gift from God. So is single malt scotch...which means you are not an atheist.
#118 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2020-05-09 02:56 AM | FLAG:
Garlic is one of Quezlcoatl's most prized bestowances on us mere mortals
#119 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

I'm a huge fan of garlic, especially on my baked potato. GOATMAN, my invitation to you is renewed, when you feel comfortable, come on down to San Diego and I'll introduce you to some of the really crafty -------- beers. Sorry to say it though, you'd be relegated to my fiance's slow cooked BBQ chicken and sweet rolls. We're chick-i-tarians. If you insist on beef, you're more than welcome to the grill.

The invitation is open to JEFFJ as well, if he can break away.

We can all try to track down SNOOFY, he's some where around these parts.

#128 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-09 03:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What was this thread about?

#129 | Posted by fishpaw at 2020-05-09 10:16 AM | Reply

Jeffy and ROC's hero:

Bill Kristol
@BillKristol

May 7
So Trump doesn't need to pardon Flynn; Barr dropped the charge to which Flynn had pled guilty. This is a foretaste of what a second Trump term would be like"the entire executive branch weaponized to help Trump's friends, punish his enemies, and undermine the rule of law.

source

#130 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-09 12:26 PM | Reply

#129 | Posted by fishpaw

Have another diet coke and vodka and go back to bed.

#131 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-09 12:28 PM | Reply

Where exactly is the entrapment, in asking questions and seeing if he tells the truth?
#51 | POSTED BYSNOOFY

Nobody is going to answer this, are they?

I'll keep asking just in case anyone wants to try.

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-09 12:47 PM | Reply

You're a good egg, Beach.

#133 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-09 12:50 PM | Reply

Yeah but so is Barr, according to JeffJ.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-09 01:11 PM | Reply

From the Russia Probe transcripts during closed door testimony.

"I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting [or] conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election, " James Clapper.

"I am not in possession of anything - I am not in possession and didn't read or absorb information that came from out of the intelligence community," Samantha Power. When asked if she had any evidence of collusion.

"I don't recall intelligence that I would consider evidence," Susan Rice.

"[I do] not recall that being briefed up to me," Loretta Lynch.
When asked if she saw collusion evidence.

"As it relates to the DNC, we have indicators that the data was exfiltrated. We did not have concrete evidence," Shawn Henry, Crowdstrike CEO. He later admitted that they had only circumstantial evidence that the Russians were involved.

Adam Schiff publically lied for several years about there being evidence of the Russians colluding with the Trump campaign and the establishment let him do so.
Rep. Adam Schiff and the entire apparatus of official Washington has been exposed by these transcripts, as well as by the documents just released in the Mich...

#135 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-09 03:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The US IC said there is lots of evidence of Russians helping the Trump campaign.

The evidence of collusion between Russia and Trump's campaign has not been presented. There was a lot of very suspicious behavior by Trumps team, and many indictments though.

#136 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-09 04:07 PM | Reply

"I don't recall intelligence that I would consider evidence," Susan Rice.
"[I do] not recall that being briefed up to me," Loretta Lynch.
When asked if she saw collusion evidence.

^
Ah, the old Ronald Reagan defense:
"I do not recall."

#137 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-09 06:26 PM | Reply

If you are on the same side of an issue as William Barr then you know you are on the wrong side of that issue.

#138 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-11 09:51 AM | Reply

Comments are closed for this entry.

Home | Breaking News | Comments | User Blogs | Stats | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Privacy | Copyright 2020 World Readable

Drudge Retort