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Monday, May 11, 2020

The Pentagon recently released three videos of UFOs recorded by the Navy -- one taken in 2004 and the other two in 2015. The videos, which first leaked a couple of years ago, show ... well, it's not exactly clear.

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It's possible they've been here all along. And that's something that I've been thinking about lately, which is a bit unsettling. Because it means it's their planet and not ours. They could just be intergalactic tourists. Maybe they're looking for certain minerals. It could just be scientific curiosity. It could be that they're extracting our DNA. I mean, who knows? I have no idea. All I know is that if they are here, they seem to be peaceful.

Interesting conversation in the article

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-05-10 06:05 PM | Reply

Why are not the little green/grey men saving the world from Trumpism?

#2 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-05-10 06:11 PM | Reply

Ya'll should be taking Bob Lazar's story a lot more seriously. Seriously.

#3 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-10 06:15 PM | Reply

When they mutilate our cattle they go for the tongue and -------- because Grays don't have those anymore. They act like workers without a queen - maybe the last one is dead, or perhaps thankfully we just haven't seen it yet. Things like spontaneity an emotion confuse them, too.

#4 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-05-10 08:42 PM | Reply

Some people on this site take UFOs more seriously that Coronavirus.

The one thing they have in common?
None of them voted for Hillary Clinton.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-10 09:48 PM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

What?

#6 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-11 12:27 AM | Reply

Sean Illing
You said a minute ago that we might be in a pre-contact situation in which ETs are gradually acclimating us to their presence. If that's true, what should we be doing to prepare for whatever comes next?

Alexander Wendt
Actually, that's the next article I would like to write. I don't know what the answer is right now. I only write articles where I don't know the answer ahead of time. But I guess I will say this: Montezuma could've prepared a lot better for Cortes than he did, had he only known Cortes was coming.

Yikes. Convincingly prophetic.

#7 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-11 12:40 AM | Reply

If they wanted to communicate and visit with us, they would. They don't, likely a wise decision.

#8 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-11 08:50 AM | Reply

Ya'll should be taking Bob Lazar's story a lot more seriously. Seriously. #3 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

I've been looking into his retelling of his story and he's hit a couple of correct notes/predictions from the 80s til now, but who knows if his origin story (working at the lab) is legit. Finding a stable version of 115 would be a major breakthrough in science.

What I found most appealing is his description of anti-gravity aircraft and how they appear to be cold despite extreme speed and maneuverability.

The 9-minute footage of a UAP in Chile is interesting to watch with Lazar's comments in mind.

drudge.com

#9 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-05-11 10:49 AM | Reply

So let's consider simple physics. Consider a craft going from relatively still to over 3500 KPH in a couple of seconds. That would turn a human occupant into a greasy slime on a bulkhead. Anti-gravity? Sounds more like transdimensionism, occupying something beyond our four dimensions. I've always thought that those little people in those strange craft aren't alien, they just as easily our far decedents, taking a peek into their prehistory.

#10 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-11 11:50 AM | Reply

@#10 ... So let's consider simple physics. ...

Do simple physics really apply in this scenario?

Even Earth-bound humans have knowledge beyond simple physics nowadays.

For example, simple physics says that matter can be only in one place at a time.

Yet quantum physics states that matter is made up of both particles and waves, and that waves can be in more than one place at a time.

Therefore, it follows that matter can be in more than one place at a time, contrary to simple physics.



#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-11 12:00 PM | Reply

I've always thought that those little people in those strange craft aren't alien, they just as easily our far decedents, taking a peek into their prehistory.

#10 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Ancient Astronaut theorists have a theory too.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-11 12:43 PM | Reply

If indeed there are aliens or UFOs from other worlds visiting here on Earth, then you can just throw out everything we think we know about the laws of physics. Faster than light speed beyond the quantum level simply is impossible based on everything we know up to this point. Time travel beyond perhaps the quantum level, is also impossible based on everything we know.

I realize that based on all the fantasies and conjecture we see on TV and theories of unknown forces we hear about regularly as a part of our mass culture, it is difficult to accept that anything is 'impossible'. But, again, based on everything we know about our universe, both faster than light travel and time travel are impossible in the non-quantum universe. Conjecture about real time inter-dimensional transfers and so forth have no basis in reality in the Newtonian universe that human beings inhabit.

Like Mulder kept saying, "I want to believe". But the science of reality does not allow for it. Heck, I am even one of the few people I know who have seen an actual UFO which to this day I have no earthly explanation for, and I still don't believe it is alien or anything like that.

#13 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-05-11 01:42 PM | Reply

@#13 ... Conjecture about real time inter-dimensional transfers and so forth have no basis in reality in the Newtonian universe that human beings inhabit. ...

Because we limit ourselves to the so-called Newtonian Universe does not mean that those limits are valid.

For a while, faster-than-sound travel was thought to be impossible.

Just because we do not yet know or understand it does not it does not exist.

It just means we have more to learn.


... an actual UFO which to this day I have no earthly explanation for, and I still don't believe it is alien or anything like that. ...

I look at UFO's more as "unexplained flying objects" than "unidentified flying objects."


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-11 01:54 PM | Reply

Lamplighter, you are talking about things that do not exist anywhere except at the mathematical level of sub-atomic particles. This is not a matter of saying "we don't understand it". This is a matter of saying that we have found no evidence of the existence of these phenomena beyond the quantum sub-atomic level. Saying that "we limit ourselves to the so-called Newtonian Universe" is, respectfully, silly. That is the only universe that we as human beings exist in. Everything else at this point is just fascinating theory and conjecture backed by mathematics at a level remote from human existence.

Being able to perform matter/wave experiments with photons no doubt allows us better understanding the processes that go into shaping our actual physical universe. But they don't open a door to magic. It is not comparable to learning how to control energy via a windmill, electric circuit or jet engine. Knowledge of quantum mechanics allows us to manipulate phenomena only within the quantum state. For example, super-computers can be made to process information faster through transfer of quantum information. There is zero evidence that knowledge of quantum mechanics can allows to send a space ship at faster than light speed, or to transfer a physical person back in time.

#15 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-05-11 02:13 PM | Reply

@#15 ... Lamplighter, you are talking about things that do not exist anywhere except at the mathematical level of sub-atomic particles. This is not a matter of saying "we don't understand it". This is a matter of saying that we have found no evidence of the existence of these phenomena beyond the quantum sub-atomic level. ...

I am also saying that just because we have yet to find evidence of it does not mean we never will.

I'm keeping an open mind on this, knowing that there is so much more that we can learn.

A bit over a hundred years ago, man had the first powered flight.

Who knows where we will be in another hundred years.

#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-11 02:58 PM | Reply

Lamplighter: That is true. Who knows where we will be in another hundred years. I Want To Believe. But I will not give in to that desire to believe until it is based on scientific fact.

#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-05-11 03:04 PM | Reply

#4 HELIUMRAT

First off thank you for being bold and positing regarding otherwise crazy stuff. I have very different view of most of the projects you describe. Not to ignore those, I do have adjacent questions. Specifically regarding abduction, what do you believe that is about? How is it done and to how many? It finally, why?

In my opinion the cattle mutilation scenarios are false flags for the testing experimental tech with risk of minimum exposure. But why such a terrifying narrative?

Don't they seem to interact with humans on a very different level? Completely unequal, and are in fact paralytic in both the physical and cognitive sense? How ironic what a tool fear can become.

#18 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-05-11 03:29 PM | Reply

I don't know if it's time to take them seriously.

Right now we're a little busy.

When were done ending mankind with this pandemic, we'll move on to other favorite memes that are going to destroy the planet and everyone inhabiting it. You know....Global warming, wealth inequality, racism, etc....UFOs are a long way from moving up the list.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2020-05-11 03:32 PM | Reply

#17 MODER8

By your own logic there wouldn't be any question that faster-than-light technologies would need to exist as alien phenomena. It is obvious that bending physics for space travel isn't something we have displayed much knowledge of yet, left alone energetic systems potentially required for such thought.

That said, I appreciate you're restricting facts to the factual. So explain UFO travel without comparison to photonic "movement".

I am presuming that you are in this thread as a believer in sightings.

#20 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-05-11 03:41 PM | Reply

I've always thought that those little people in those strange craft aren't alien, they just as easily our far decedents, taking a peek into their prehistory.
#10 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

So then what was going on in Puerto Rico that day, that was worth looking into?

I suspect if these are aircraft, they are being flown by the US in secret, over US airspace.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-11 03:48 PM | Reply

@#17 ... That is true. Who knows where we will be in another hundred years. I Want To Believe. But I will not give in to that desire to believe until it is based on scientific fact. ...

I'd phrase it as... I Want To Understand.

Other than that I do not disagree.

I still cannot help but wonder just what are those UFOs that are being seen? They appear to be stubbornly persistent in our reality.


#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-11 03:51 PM | Reply

I will take UFOs seriously when they take me.

Seriously!

Take me... please.

Beam me up Scotty.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-11 03:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#22 LAMPLIGHTER

I'll bite. It's speculated that the gray aliens are in fact more akin to a mechanism than a "being", so to speak. So it might be observed that they are sent because of perhaps biological limitations of their originators, or there is an entirely other reason for their presence being so hidden. Regardless, this scenario reminds me of the ancient Egyptian technologies controlled by a hidden class. If our military are in command of these technologies they should prepare for a logical reaction for maintaining such a fantastic lie and not averting destruction of this planet. There will be repercussions either way.

#24 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-05-11 04:13 PM | Reply

There are good people on both sides.

- snoofy

#25 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-05-11 07:09 PM | Reply

So, aliens - good or bad meaning intention or presence? If we purchased a clone army how could we know the difference or if that is the intention for an invasion? To sell a very specific kind of story there must be mass participation.

Theoretically in forcing one to land and evoking the national guard responses one could create the ultimate documentary. A super collision of cultures legacy and nature.

I wonder what has happened to all of those observational spheres? Were they all swept up?

#26 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2020-05-11 09:32 PM | Reply

A simple reading of the varied (and oft crazied)
news headlines on just this one website (let
alone a reading of many of the crazed responses) would tell any alien in a heartbeat, that there is no intelligent life here... Why fight a war to take over a planet, while you can sit back while the dominant species renders itself extinct? Then, just pop out and inherit a planet for free!

#27 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-05-11 09:35 PM | Reply

If Aliens are coming we should just let them wash over us, killing those they want so we dont disrupt the economy.

#28 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-11 10:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#26 | Posted by redlightrobot

I'm still at a loss to explain the Bright Lights - what they do and why they do it. The patterns they make must encode something. But they are probably just as freaked about our dimension. Those things can't be from hereabouts.

#29 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-05-11 10:10 PM | Reply

"I'm still at a loss to explain the Bright Lights"

That's too bad.
Any luck figuring out the Big City?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-11 10:13 PM | Reply

snoofy, behind ll the tinsel and glitter is the real tinsel and glitter.

Never forget that.

#31 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-05-11 10:28 PM | Reply

We're all time travelers.
Just forward, at the rate of one second per second.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-11 10:29 PM | Reply

at the rate of one second per second.
#32 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Trapped at the rate of one second per second.

#33 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-11 10:37 PM | Reply

If one second per second is too slow, you can speed things up. Just not very much.

Do Frequent Fliers Age More Slowly? scienceline.org

Chou did the math, and it turns out that frequent fliers actually age the tiniest bit more quickly than those of us with both feet on the ground. Planes travel at high enough altitudes that the weak gravitational field speeds up the tick rate of a clock on board more than the high speeds slow it down.

The difference is so small, however, that even the most tireless jet setters don't have to worry about extra wrinkles. Consider an extreme case of the commercial air passenger: Ryan Bingham, the constantly traveling businessman played by George Clooney in "Up in the Air." By the time Bingham racked up those 10 million frequent flier miles, Chou calculated, he'd aged only 59 microseconds more than his colleagues back in Omaha.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-11 10:44 PM | Reply

#34 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Didn't this partially prove Einstein's expectation regarding his twins thought experiment?

#35 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-11 11:07 PM | Reply

#35 Yes, it's predicted behavior. Back in the black and white era they put two atomic clocks on B-52s or whatever and flew them around the globe but in opposite directions. When they got back home, the clocks were ever so slightly out of sync as predicted by Einstein's theory.

If you happen to catch a transit of Mercury, it shows up not exactly when it should under Kepler's Laws, and this discrepancy is again explained by Einstein.

As I recall there's a relativistic effect in GPS which has to be accounted for as well.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-11 11:11 PM | Reply

"Didn't this partially prove Einstein's expectation regarding his twins thought experiment?

#35 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11 "

This was proven a long time ago. Indeed the time dilation of the paradox is worked into GPS satellites. Otherwise, they wouldn't be as accurate as they are. It's also worked into semiconductor manufacturing as short lived isotopes are flung at near C onto silicone wafers before they decay.

The twins paradox is as well accepted an proven as 32 ft/sec^2 is .

#37 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-11 11:18 PM | Reply

The twins paradox is as well accepted an proven as 32 ft/sec^2 is .
#37 | POSTED BY GOATMAN

Awesome, thanks!

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-11 11:26 PM | Reply

This is seriously the third most relevant headline on the Retort.

#39 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-05-12 05:27 AM | Reply

This is seriously the third most relevant headline on the Retort.
#39 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

I fully agree. It's the MASSIVE pink elephant sitting on everyone's face in the room. Humans currently do not possess the humility as a whole to even consider the existence of beings with superior intellect, let alone actively look for them. What's worse, the idea that 'they' have been here all along; that the massive pink elephant has been sitting on everyone's face since the beginning. And everyone has become so acclimated to the elephant that most don't even care: "So what if they are here? Doesn't affect me in any way." Similar attitude that results in 60% voter turn out rates continuously.

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-12 01:43 PM | Reply

Turns out I don't see how my life changes if aliens exist.
But I do see how it changes if Trump is President.
What am I missing?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-12 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41 large portions of the cognitive portions of your brain, according to the evidence

#42 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-05-12 01:54 PM | Reply

What am I missing?
#41 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

That you're very short sighted. And those that don't vote are even more short sighted.

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-12 01:54 PM | Reply

I'm interested to know how Dems will blame Trump for centuries of UFO denial.

#44 | Posted by humtake at 2020-05-12 02:04 PM | Reply

"That you're very short sighted"

Okay.
What is it you can see that I can't see, even with my glasses?
Or is this more about me, than anything that's out there?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-12 02:16 PM | Reply

"It's a COOKBOOK! It's a COOKBOOOOOKKKK!!!!"

#46 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2020-05-12 03:32 PM | Reply

#45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

If it turns out aliens exist and that they have been visiting Earth since ancient times, it would be the most important revelation of all time. Unless you continued denying that reality, your whole scope of understanding would change. Considering the implications tied to aliens visiting Earth for millennia, it would also suggest that faster than light travel is indeed possible, forcing us to reconsider physics. You don't think any of that would have an effect on you?

Let alone it would lend credence to Bob Lazar's story that one of the crafts the government has back engineered at S-4, near Area 51, was found at an archaeological dig. If they've been around that long, have they manipulated our course of history? If the U.S. government has successfully reverse engineered the craft and are now in possession of zero point energy and anti-gravity technologies, that would mean they are more than likely also capable of weaponizing the crafts with the upgraded laser technology recently made public. Now they can defend the vehicles, leading us closer to acknowledgement of the technology's existence. The Tic Tac videos are just the surface to be scratched, but as Wendt suggests, the public should start taking notice and consider the legitimacy of this evidence pointing to the likelihood of intelligently piloted craft that defies physics as we currently understand it.

Lastly, it's an acknowledgement by our government and military that they do not have superiority over the skies any longer. There is now (and possibly has been for a long time) an intelligence piloting craft with capabilities that are beyond our understanding. I questioned whether that would have EVER been acknowledged, but here it is, stark as day: the U.S. Navy does not know who or what is piloting craft that can out-maneuver the most deadly, costly, and high tech aircraft known to man.

#47 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-12 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm interested to know how Dems will blame Trump for centuries of UFO denial.
#44 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Considering the release of the Tic Tac video was on Trump's watch, I'm surprised he hasn't taken a deeper interest in the subject. He could have been the UFO president; even people on the left would support him on that endeavor.

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-12 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#47 I see your points but I'm still not feeling it. It's not like I'm sitting here thinking "faster than light travel can't be possible, and my reason is there's no aliens."

As for archaeology, I'm in no position to deny a UFO was unearthed. But if it's only one site, either the aliens put all their eggs in one basket, which seems unlikely for a supposedly advanced civilization, or it's not suggestive of some larger force with control of the skies.

It does not seem unreasonable aliens would send a probe to our planet, just as we have done with Mars and Venus, and I expect we will try to do with the many exoplanets which have now been discovered, if only we could get there quicker.

The biggest upset would be to (some) religions, in my opinion. That whole man is made in G-d's image thing raises a lot of questions, if there are superior aliens.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-12 04:51 PM | Reply

So much desire and hope for aliens and true UFOs to exist. So little scientific evidence to support it. Putting aside anecdotal stories, zero verifiable evidence whatsoever.

#50 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-05-12 04:53 PM | Reply

#48 Jimmy Carter promised to make our info on UFOs public. Never happened. www.amazon.com

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-12 04:54 PM | Reply

That whole man is made in G-d's image thing raises a lot of questions, if there are superior aliens.
#49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

God, science, and government. It would upend all of it. The holy trinity of authority would be brought into question. No wonder they've kept it secret for so long. Their grip is slipping and the Tic Tac video acknowledgement as legitimate evidence of inexplicable phenomenon represents an entire finger slipping lose.

#52 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-12 06:49 PM | Reply

Putting aside anecdotal stories, zero verifiable evidence whatsoever.
#50 | POSTED BY MODER8

Tic Tac videos are the closest to legitimate evidence that something is piloting craft in the skies that cannot be explained. Occam's Razor's reach is only so far.

I'd be more worried if there was proof these craft's are being piloted by Chinese or Russians than aliens, especially aliens that have been here since the beginning. Clearly, the latter has proven to be nonviolent.

#53 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-12 06:51 PM | Reply

"God, science, and government. It would upend all of it. The holy trinity of authority would be brought into question"

I really don't see how it makes science suspect.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-12 06:56 PM | Reply

I really don't see how it makes science suspect.
#54 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Not science itself, our understanding of it. There will be many boffins excited to take on the fact that our understanding of physics is significantly limited. But the current literature positing a universal impossibility is, in all actuality false, can delegitimize much of the foundations of physics in the public's view. There are already groups out there who disbelieve the legitimacy of vaccination medicine. Imagine an even larger group who no longer believe in the legitimacy of physics as it is currently understood.

#55 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-12 07:33 PM | Reply

"But the current literature positing a universal impossibility"

You mean FTL, I assume?

That's already a little bit iffy once you get to entanglement, and the knowledge of one particle's state is able to somehow be transmitted to the other particle instantaneously, i.e. faster than the speed of light.

I still think they are US craft, if any craft at all, since they're spotted over US territory.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-12 08:33 PM | Reply

I still think they are US craft, if any craft at all, since they're spotted over US territory.
#56 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

OK, but how does that explain the military's immense advancement in understanding regarding the true nature of physics when mainstream scientists are unable to explain the evidence provided? Further, your suggestion falls right in line with Bob Lazar's assertion. He too expects these crafts to eventually be, if ever, identified as human controlled and owned by the United States military, considering the specific maneuvers the crafts were videoed accomplishing, as they mimicked the behavior of what he witnessed at the S-4 installation (craft moving belly first as he described back in the '80s; IOW, lending credence to the description of the theory tied to how these craft operate).

#57 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-13 01:23 AM | Reply

"OK, but how does that explain the military's immense advancement in understanding regarding the true nature of physics when mainstream scientists are unable to explain the evidence provided?"

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're referring to. I'm not knowledgeable in Bob Lazar, so forgive my ignorance. I probably know most of what I know about "UFO culture" from X-Files. And that one Clutch song of course.

As for science, there's not many jobs available for physicists outside academia, but one place is in defense. So they're advancing the state of the art in physics. They're just not doing it in the normal context of science. They're doing it Manhattan Project style.

In the same regard, the NSA hires mathematicians, and they do math, but they don't publish it in journals. It's widely believed (if not explicitly known) that NSA cracked most common encryption protocols of the dot-com era, and just didn't bother telling anyone, since why would we?

There are things in science that only the military knows, is what I'm saying.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-13 02:16 AM | Reply

The energy to move in ways the fighter pilots find astonishing is explainable with dark energy or zero point energy which might just be the same thing
ui.adsabs.harvard.edu

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-13 02:27 AM | Reply

There is zero evidence that knowledge of quantum mechanics can allows to send a space ship at faster than light speed, or to transfer a physical person back in time. #15 | POSTED BY MODER8

I'll phrase it like a Ufologist:
Given the tough physical forces, time, and distances, is it possible that these craft operators are specially bred, genetically engineered mechanisms to be long distance craft operators. As mentioned by others, there are indications based on cattle mutations and other strange phenomena of animals missing tongues and genitalia, that these adventurer species are unlike the modern human.

Perhaps they are remote operated Avatars, designed for study-at-a-distance of intergalactic species, emerging from the depths of the ocean for local population observation at various periods in time.

#60 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-05-13 07:52 AM | Reply

The idea that high quality UFO sightings are a uniquely USA phenomenon is wrong.
Chilean military helicopter observed a UAP with HD FLIR technology recently:
drudge.com

#61 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-05-13 07:54 AM | Reply

I find it unlikely we wouldn't at least try to shoot one of these things down.

That's another reason I think they are ours.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-13 12:20 PM | Reply

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're referring to. I'm not knowledgeable in Bob Lazar, so forgive my ignorance. I probably know most of what I know about "UFO culture" from X-Files. And that one Clutch song of course.

Appreciate that context. I won't put much effort into convincing you. If you're actually interested, check out some of the Bob Lazar Interview by Joe Rogan highlights on youtube. You'll easily get up to speed.

That's another reason I think they are ours.
#62 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

What gives you the inclination that we haven't tried?

Because the military hasn't told you yet?

The average Joe ufologist can hardly take a picture of one of these things let alone our military (the Tic Tac videos releases is amazingly rare) and you think our military would be able to shoot one down?

#63 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-13 12:59 PM | Reply

"What gives you the inclination that we haven't tried?"

Any accounts from pilots of trying to shoot one down? Being ordered to do so?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-13 08:42 PM | Reply

Being ordered to do so?
#64 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

At least once:

U.S. pilot was ordered to shoot down UFO
www.reuters.com

#65 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-13 10:25 PM | Reply

In the UK as well:

Defence chiefs ordered RAF pilots to 'shoot down UFOs'
www.dailymail.co.uk

#66 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-13 10:28 PM | Reply

I've been taking UFO seriously for decades. Phenomenon was my first album I bought back in 1980. I totally agree with the universal consensus that Strangers IS the greatest live recording ever. Yeah, he's a mad temperamental German, but the extraordinary MS on guitar influenced my playing from day 1.

#67 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2020-05-14 04:28 AM | Reply

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