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Tuesday, May 12, 2020

A day of record high coronavirus infection numbers is an odd time to announce a route out of lockdown, but that is what Vladimir Putin did on Monday as he announced that the "non-working days" imposed by the Kremlin at the end of March would come to an end from Tuesday.

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Vlad and Donnie on the same page again.

"Russia now has the second fastest rate of infections in the world after the US. The prime minister, Mikhail Mishustin, is among those in hospital with the virus.

Rather than an invitation to Russians to stream back into the streets, however, Monday's announcement seemed to be the latest gambit in Putin's plan to delegate responsibility for tackling the crisis to local leaders, who he said would make their own decisions on when to end lockdown."

"This is abdication of responsibility, the architect of Russia's hyper-presidential system suddenly discovering local authorities when it is convenient," said Mark Galeotti, a Russia analyst and author of a book on Putin. "Putin is giving them the responsibility to fight the pandemic without the funds or the powers."

Sounds familiar somehow....

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2020-05-11 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Putin's detached initial response to the spread of the coronavirus outbreak was at least partly a result of his staff's tendency to sanitise information and to portray events in the most optimistic light possible. Putin's staff reports about its achievements, not problems," wrote Tatiana Stanovaya in a recent report for the Carnegie Moscow Centre.

Coronavirus has also disrupted plans for a vote on constitutional amendments that would have paved the way for Putin to rule until 2036. That was set for April, but instead he has found himself up against a pernicious, frustrating and invisible foe, and seen his approval ratings slide.

"This is arguably the most serious challenge to Putin as national leader in the 20 years he has been in power, and he is failing it," said Galeotti."

the similarities am practically endless...

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2020-05-11 04:05 PM | Reply

"Putin's staff reports about its achievements, not problems"

And Trump starts Cabinet meetings having all his Cabinet heads say something positive about Trump.
It's amazing how this leadership ethos has led to coronavirus spreading like wildfire throughout both countries.
Nobody saw it coming.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-11 04:11 PM | Reply

"This is arguably the most serious challenge to Putin as national leader in the 20 years he has been in power, and he is failing it," said Galeotti."

Same as Trump, and for the same reasons.
Putin and Trump can't graft, sue, lie, strong-arm, or assassinate their way out of this one. They have no other plays in the playbook.
The business model in a nutshell: Lawyers, Guns, and Money.

Putin, to his, uh credit, has done more to lock down Russia than Trump has, which isn't saying much because Trump hasn't done anything to lock down America. But Putin did it too late.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-11 04:16 PM | Reply

Russia: 221,344 total cases, 2,009 deaths
Germany: 172,295 total cases, 7,611 deaths

Plenty of other comparisons but I just want to show that there's no way Russia has this few deaths. Trump must be wondering how Putin does it.

#5 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2020-05-11 04:18 PM | Reply

Same thing in Texas and Florida.
Compare the amount of cases and then the amount of deaths to other states.
They are fudging their covid-19 death numbers.

Also another way to "ballpark" co-vid deaths is to take the average number of deaths that state has in a 10 year span during the same amount of time the virus has been here. The numbers above the average are likely Co-vid 19 deaths.

#6 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-05-11 08:59 PM | Reply

#6

You also have to adjust based on the baby boomers' effect on mortality rates.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-11 09:42 PM | Reply

The Texas Tribune
March 24
How many coronavirus cases in Texas? Depends on who you ask
www.texastribune.org

"But public health experts have said that even the most generous accounting of positive cases in the state is a dramatic undercount given the rampant evidence of community spread, combined with the state health department's traditionally lengthy reporting process and limited testing capacity."

"Abbott has signaled to Texans that the case numbers are informing some decisions. This weekend, he stopped short of calling for a statewide lockdown over the coronavirus, saying there are still many counties in Texas without any cases. As he made those statements Sunday, some counties were collectively reporting hundreds of cases that the state was not including in its official count."

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-11 10:33 PM | Reply

Goatman when you disappeared in late March, you were saying San Antonio only had one case, and then after some digging I found Bexar County was reporting the number at 25.

Anyway, today Bexar County is at 1,920 cases. Quite interesting is the shape of the population histogram. Most cases are in the 30-39 age group. experience.arcgis.com

Finally, I just want to make crystal clear you are aware of this statement from the US Government COVID-19 Response Plan, specifically the "18 months" part:

Assumptions:
A pandemic is expected to last 18 months or longer and could include multiple waves of illness.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-11 11:01 PM | Reply

"You also have to adjust based on the baby boomers' effect on mortality rates.

#8 | POSTED BY DANFORTH"

Dead is dead

#13 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-11 11:08 PM | Reply

"Dead is dead"

Not the point.
Older is more likely to come out dead, when you do disease modeling.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-11 11:13 PM | Reply

"Not the point. Older is more likely to come out dead, when you do disease modeling."

Oh...there you go, you and your actual math.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-11 11:50 PM | Reply

#11 The only post from monsoon in this thread is an observation on the inaccuracy of reported covid stats.
No personal attacks.

Then you respond with an unhinged hate based set of attacks on monsoon.

Seek help. [...]

#16 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-12 12:16 AM | Reply

"another way to "ballpark" co-vid deaths is to take the average number of deaths that state has in a 10 year span during the same amount of time the virus has been here. The numbers above the average are likely Co-vid 19 deaths."

Dead is dead

Not when you're comparing today's average against an average from five years ago.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-12 12:32 AM | Reply

"Dead is dead"

Not when you're comparing today's average against an average from five years ago.

#18 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

So, in that case some of the dead are really alive? Thank you, Dr. Schrodinger.

#19 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-12 12:38 AM | Reply

"So, in that case some of the dead are really alive?"

No, the point was in a time of more folks hitting 65 than 21, you have to adjust the rates accordingly, and if you use a moving average of 10 years during a time of rising average ages anyway, you're going to get skewed results if you don't adjust for the larger amount of older people in your sample. The example given above would be comparing today's averages with averages from five years ago....when the average person was younger than today.

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-12 01:09 AM | Reply

"Thank you, Dr. Schrodinger."

Well, when you hit 80, you have a much better chance of living to be 100...especially compared to those poor bastards who died in their 60s and 70s.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-12 01:10 AM | Reply

"Well, when you hit 80, you have a much better chance of living to be 100...especially compared to those poor bastards who died in their 60s and 70s.

#21 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Those poor bastards? 99% of all humans that ever lived had an average lifespan of 40 years or less. This generation of humans are the luckiest ever if lifespans are what your metric is. But then people like you weep tears over mother nature taking over and reminding you that you aren't ---- or any better than the vast majority of the rest of human history.

Cry me a river, Mr. Entitled-to-more-than-anyone-else-ever-had.

#22 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-12 01:30 AM | Reply

""Well, when you hit 80, you have a much better chance of living to be 100...especially compared to those poor bastards who died in their 60s and 70s.
#21 | POSTED BY DANFORTH ""

I scoff at you and your arrogance. So does Mother Nature. We just do it in different ways.

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-12 01:33 AM | Reply

"Mr. Entitled-to-more-than-anyone-else-ever-had."

You clearly have me confused with someone else. Try reading my post again, knowing my tongue was firmly in my cheek.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-12 01:47 AM | Reply

"Try reading my post again, knowing my tongue was firmly in my cheek.

#24 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2020-05-12 01:47 AM "

Yeah. It always is after being called out, isn't it?

Pathetic.

Don't you have some -- you know, math -- to do, donkey suit?

#25 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-12 01:52 AM | Reply

"It always is after being called out, isn't it?"

Not in this case. The comment about reaching your 80s is an old actuarial joke.

But it's never your fault when you don't get the joke, that's for sure.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-12 02:07 AM | Reply

Someone needs a hug. It must be bad when resorting to arguing actuarial math with Danforth.

#27 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-12 02:50 AM | Reply

"Not in this case. The comment about reaching your 80s is an old actuarial joke.
But it's never your fault when you don't get the joke, that's for sure.

#26 | POSTED BY DANFORTH "

Yep. Because everyone knows actuarial jokes.

Try again, donkey suit.

#28 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-12 02:52 AM | Reply

"This generation of humans are the luckiest ever if lifespans are what your metric is."

The Luck Stops Here
--Harry S Goatman

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-12 02:53 AM | Reply

" It must be bad when resorting to arguing actuarial math with Danforth.

#27 | POSTED BY BORED "

Whom are you addressing? No one in this thread has argued actuarial math with Donkey suit.

Perhaps you were dreaming someone was, bored.

#30 | Posted by goatman at 2020-05-12 02:55 AM | Reply

"Because everyone knows actuarial jokes."

Clearly you don't, and as usual when something goes over your head, it's got to be someone else's fault.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-12 03:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For whatever missteps that have been done predicting the future and dealing with the virus, as far as I'm concerned anyone who really believes Hillary Clinton would have somehow magically produced millions of masks, millions of tests and pulled 100's of thousands of ventilators out of thin air is fooling themselves.

The world was caught with its pants down and that's just a fact.

Yea....now we have the "I told you so's" wacking off for the cameras.

I mean...."a meteor will hit the earth someday...we better be prepared".

Now I can say I told you so.

#32 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-12 08:35 PM | Reply

I can well imagine every president for the last several decades has been forewarned about another possible pandemic.

Ok...so now what?

How much of our limited resources should we allocate towards something we don't know what it will be?

Or maybe we should a buy bunch of machines that will quickly become obsolete?

You can count on one thing.

After the fact everyone's an expert and knows exactly what to do.

#34 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-12 08:51 PM | Reply

"And the mathematicians and their models seem to be changing on a weekly basis."

The part where the pandemic lasts 18 months has never changed.

Some of the modeling is explicity done to forecast to Deplorables just how bad an idea it is to reopen too soon. And then they just ignore them anyway.

The price of eggs has changed too, do you not eat eggs anymore because you're so upset by change?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-12 09:27 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

From the very start, I've had the opinion we're looking at 2 years.

I must be a genius.

And I don't even have a PHD in mathathonics.

btw....you sound like you could really care less about the millions of families suffering from the economic shutdown.

So who's deplorable?

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-12 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"btw....you sound like you could really care less about the millions of families suffering from the economic shutdown."

I care. This is a disaster. So maybe you can tell us then....

Why did trump allow this to happen?

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-12 11:29 PM | Reply

"btw....you sound like you could really care less about the millions of families suffering from the economic shutdown."

I'm sorry to hear that.

I have said a few times now we should keep We The People alive with cash handouts the same way the Fed kept the stock market alive with quantitative easing for nearly a decade after the Great Recession.

Now, if you mean millions of rich families "suffering" because they can't get haircuts, then I could probably care less. They should be able to weather this storm, since they're rich.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-13 12:02 AM | Reply

How much of our limited resources should we allocate towards something we don't know what it will be?

It was inevitable that another pandemic as bad as the one in 1918 was going to happen. The cost of preparing for one -- as the Obama administration did both nationally and globally in extensive ways -- is far less than the cost of this pandemic has been in lives and economic loss.

If we can afford trillions to spend on the military, we could have afforded to prepare fully for pandemics.

#39 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-13 07:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The world was caught with its pants down and that's just a fact.

South Korea wasn't. Are we a weaker nation than South Korea or a stronger one?

#40 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-13 09:21 AM | Reply

South Korea and Taiwan prepared well and executed their pandemic plans well, partially because SARS was a wakeup call.

Oz, NZ, Iceland and others benefited from being more isolated, but they still executed pandemic prevention well.

Obama prepared the US well, learning from H1N1, SARS, Ebola.

Trump dismantled the preparations, exported the PPE and then lied about the risks and totally failed at executing a pandemic mitigation plan, even though Obama gave him one.

Trump's malicious incompetence more than doubled the US death toll. For that alone he deserved to burn in hell.

#41 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-13 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So who's deplorable?

#36 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Trump. For allowing this to happen on his watch. Trump is in charge and he allowed this to happen the way it did.

But but this could have happened to any president, you will say.

Yes. And any other president would have done their job and protect Americans from all enemies foreign and domestic.

Trump on the other hand had to be all Trumpy about it.

And the result is an out of control spread of the virus. And now it's Mourning in America.

It was like he said to a Russian invasion... go ahead and invade us because I don't believe you and the invasion will just go away like magic! Maybe when 100,000 Americans are dead THEN I will believe you really are invading. But it's the Dems fault! The cupboards were bare! What do we do!?

And to top it all off...

we won't use our "radar"(testing) c to see where the invasion is. The states can figure that out by themselves. Then they can also fight the invaders themselves.

Meanwhile Trumpy continues to try and divide us.

Thanks Trumpy. For Nothing.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-13 10:55 AM | Reply

I'm pretty sure BillJohnson doesn't even realize he's equivocating.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-13 12:18 PM | Reply

Rcade,

"The cost of preparing for one -- as the Obama administration did both nationally and globally in extensive ways".

Glad to know he did something since I voted for him.

#44 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-13 01:29 PM | Reply

"The cost of preparing for one -- as the Obama administration did both nationally and globally in extensive ways".

Glad to know he did something since I voted for him.

#44 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Too bad it was wasted effort, since conservatives decided to destroy the preparations and ignore the playbook that Obama left them, both nationally and globally.

#45 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2020-05-13 03:06 PM | Reply

I am starting to sense a theme here with all these nasty grifting autocrats like TRump, his buddies in Brazil and Russia. People are forced back to work to die while the fearless, "War Presidents" hide behind screening of anybody near them while they bleat to the people, "Do not as I do but as I say".

#46 | Posted by tknees at 2020-05-13 03:52 PM | Reply

Gt,

One political axiom you can always count on from any politician anywhere anytime.

"It's the other guys fault".

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-13 05:24 PM | Reply

There are some amazing Russian expats who would make excellent heads of state if say the Russian commoners were to say rip Putin's head off.

#48 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-13 06:52 PM | Reply

"Trump dismantled the preparations, exported the PPE and then lied about the risks and totally failed at executing a pandemic mitigation plan, even though Obama gave him one."

That should be reported and repeated on every major network news broadcast, every day, until either Trump is out of office or the Pandemic is over.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-14 10:38 AM | Reply

"Trump dismantled the preparations, exported the PPE and then lied about the risks and totally failed at executing a pandemic mitigation plan, even though Obama gave him one."

That should be reported and repeated on every major network news broadcast, every day, until either Trump is out of office or the Pandemic is over.

"There are some amazing Russian expats who would make excellent heads of state if say the Russian commoners were to say rip Putin's head off."

Probably a few rotting in Russian prisons too.

#50 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-14 10:40 AM | Reply

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