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Saturday, May 16, 2020

Trump announced two new leaders of America's effort to develop a coronavirus vaccine, dubbing the project "Operation Warp Speed." Speakers at the White House Rose Garden Friday press conference struggled to be heard over loud horn honking which Trump called a "celebration" but were actually truckers protesting low wages. Despite worrisome predictions of the number of Americans that will die from the virus in the coming weeks, Trump insisted his fellow citizens get back to their lives. "I don't want people to think this is all dependent on a vaccine," Trump said "Vaccine or no vaccine, we're back. And we're starting the process."

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Ambitious.

#1 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-15 06:24 PM | Reply

Ridiculous.

The 2009 H1N1 vaccine wasn't ready at that level by the end of the year IIRC.

And that's with a flexible platform that requires minimal tweaking and testing.

Another broken promise not possible from the get to from DOTUS Bombast.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-15 07:05 PM | Reply

Ridiculous.

It sounds good in the moment which is all donald cares about. What happened to Kushner? I thought this was supposed to be his gig?

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-15 07:33 PM | Reply

Yeah. Great plan.

It's not like rushing out a bad vaccine has never happened before so who could know or predict that it might backfire to rush out a defective vaccine?

I am sure it will be fine. Social media won't gin up some new and improved vaccine conspiracies.

Naw. That would never happen on Trumpy's watch.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-15 08:59 PM | Reply

It's like this program is designed to get people to me to say "Upon reflection, not all vaccines are safe."

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-15 09:02 PM | Reply

See, if Trump had done this in January, he might even have got my vote.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-15 09:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

October Surprise is gonna be a vaccine that doesn't work.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-15 10:52 PM | Reply

Vaccine or no vaccine, Trump is going golfing.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2020-05-16 08:45 AM | Reply

What is the number of deaths that will cause Trump's base to turn on him. I feel strongly that there is a number which will do it but I just don't know how high it is. Do they? 100,000?, 200,000?, 1,000,000?, 10,000,000? Could go higher eventually.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-16 09:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And, Trump supporters must realize that he really doesn't care how high the death toll climbs, do you? That is the decision you will have to make.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-16 09:24 AM | Reply

What is the number of deaths that will cause Trump's base to turn on him.

#9 | Posted by danni at 20

Unless they really think it's their asses now, none. Zero.

Red states like Nebraska are about to go under. Let's see

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2020-05-16 10:14 AM | Reply

Funny how Trump suddenly wants a herculean effort to develop and distribute a vaccine now, just days after he got mad at a reporter for asking if such an effort exists.

Wish I could find a link to the exchange. But it happened.

#12 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-05-16 11:19 AM | Reply

Wish I could find a link to the exchange. But it happened.

The Internet is filling up with montages of donald walking back things he said the week before. Sometimes the day before.

Sometimes earlier in the same sentence. Biden should hire the late night writers to do his campaign ads.

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-16 11:25 AM | Reply

Just a point to ponder: The Hong Kong flu came 1968-1969 and killed 100k Americans. Guess what concert happened right around the peak of that virus? Woodstock. Nobody canceled life, nobody closed the world. In 1970, the population was 200 million people.

#14 | Posted by MSgt at 2020-05-16 11:48 AM | Reply

Reopening too early is extremely likely to prolong the misery. The pandemic didn't disappear. It was just slowed down for a little while. Now we're speeding it back up again.

We might be able to make a difference if mask use was near 100%. I barely see any masks in images of crowed bars and restaurants.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-16 11:49 AM | Reply

#15 I found masks at the oddest of places, The Family Dollar. I just can't see how one can wear a mask while out drinking and eating. Hence the social distancing still in place for F&B operations. We tried to make a reservation at Ruth's Chris for six of us and they were only seating tables of four until further notice.

#16 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-05-16 11:55 AM | Reply

Vaccine or no vaccine, Trump is going golfing.

#8 | Posted by Zed

Remember all the hoopla right wingers around here hurled at Obama for playing golf, even though Trump surpassed that number of times long ago and at over $100,000,000 taxpayer expense to date?

Speaking of which, the Secret Service was just charged $179,000 for golf cart rentals at Trump's New Jersey Bedminster golf club. What a patriot!!

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-16 11:57 AM | Reply

Secret Service was just charged $179,000 for golf cart rentals at Trump's New Jersey Bedminster golf club.

They only had to pay the special discount rate of 125%.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-16 12:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#15 | Posted by rcade

History is repeating itself.

The same thing happened in 1918; remediation measures slowed the pandemic, protesters flocked to the streets demanding a reopening of society, and the next fall and winter saw the largest numbers of cases and 10 times the number of Americans killed in WWI perish to the Spanish Flu.

Facts Donald Trump wouldn't know because he's adverse to reading and knowledge that disagrees with his 'gut feelings.'

#19 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-16 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"The Internet is filling up with montages of donald walking back things he said the week before. Sometimes the day before."

The internet is overflowing and bursting at the seams with montages of Trumpy contradicting Trumpy.

It's mourning in America folks and will be for a while. And I dont think we are even half way through this thing

Look to New York for what can happen to you if you let the virus get out of control in your area.

Good luck America. Be safe, stay well.

90,000 dead and counting.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-16 12:07 PM | Reply

"History is repeating itself."

This!

Been telling folks since this started. Look to the 1918 pandemic and you will see the same things or very similar things happening today.

Except while History does not actually repeat itself it does rhyme.

Because people don't really change that much. People are still people and the react pretty much the same all over when you try and restrict them or manage them. Crowd control is an art as much as a science.

We can see the echoes of the 1918 pandemic all around us today.

We the People haven't changed much in how we respond to such things.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-16 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

... "I don't want people to think this is all dependent on a vaccine," ...

To me, that sounds as if Pres Trump is backing away from the timeline he has oft stated for a widely-available vaccine.

If he now feels it will be longer before we get a widely-available vaccine, he has to minimize the need for that widely-available vaccine for his re-election campaign.

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-16 12:40 PM | Reply

#21 | Posted by donnerboy

We're seeing the same thing today. Dr. Fauci being ignored by the WH, the CDC being told to 'rewrite' their plans on reopening because they were at odds with the WH line, Dr. Rick Bright (the U.S. official expert on vaccine development) being demoted for stating facts regarding the efficacy of hydroxychloriquine vs COVID-19, etc etc etc.

EXAMPLE:

Medical experts warned Philadelphia officials NOT to hold a parade in 1918. They did anyway, and 20,000 people died in the following weeks.

With summer, the Spanish flu seemed to subside. But the killer was merely laying in wait, set to return in the fall and winter"typical peak flu season"more lethal than before. As Philadelphia planned its parade, bound to be a large gathering, director of public health Krusen had ignored the growing concerns of other medical experts and allowed the parade to proceed, even as a deadly outbreak raged on nearby military bases.

A political appointee, Krusen publicly denied that influenza was a threat, saying with assurance that the few military deaths were "old-fashioned influenza or grip." He promised a campaign against coughing, spitting and sneezing, well aware that two days before the scheduled parade, the nation's monthly draft call-up had been cancelled because army camps, including nearby Camp Dix in New Jersey and Camp Meade in Maryland, were overwhelmed by a conflagration of virulent influenza. Philadelphia's parade poured gasoline on the flames.

www.smithsonianmag.com


#23 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-16 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Secret Service was just charged $179,000 for golf cart rentals at Trump's New Jersey Bedminster golf club.

They only had to pay the special discount rate of 125%.

#18 | Posted by REDIAL

That made me chuckle out loud!

#24 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-16 01:09 PM | Reply

A security guard at a dollar was recently shot (murdered) for telling a lady a child had to wear a mask. There are a thousand stories of people rebelling against mask though they have not all led to murder thank gawd.

"Cities that passed masking ordinances in the fall of 1918 struggled to enforce them among the small portion of people who rebelled. Common punishments were fines, prison sentences and having your name printed in the paper. In one horrific incident in San Francisco, a special officer for the board of health shot a man who refused to wear a mask as well as two bystanders."

Not a repeat. But definitely an echo.

www.history.com

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-16 01:23 PM | Reply

A security guard at dollar store...

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-16 01:24 PM | Reply

"Cities that passed masking ordinances in the fall of 1918 struggled to enforce them among the small portion of people who rebelled. ..."

As we've seen all over TV the past couple of weeks.

#27 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-16 01:48 PM | Reply

So,Americans have been stupid,self important,fools for long before the modern age. The talk about freedumb and my right to infect others is not new. Who would have guessed?

This virus is a test of our civil cohesion,a test we have already failed miserably. I hope we come out the other side stronger,but I don't think so.

#28 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-16 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just a point to ponder: The Hong Kong flu came 1968-1969 and killed 100k Americans. Guess what concert happened right around the peak of that virus? Woodstock. Nobody canceled life, nobody closed the world. In 1970, the population was 200 million people.
#14 | POSTED BY MSGT

Are you a bot?

You're parroting right-wing propaganda which is likely to get people killed.

www.usatoday.com
"A lack of robust testing undermines confidence in the exact death rate, but the researchers confirmed to USA TODAY that both pandemics were far below levels seen during the 1918 flu pandemic or the current SARS-CoV-2 outbreak."

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-16 02:42 PM | Reply

#14, well if we all sit in the rain and mud and drop acid we'll be safe, I'm game.

#30 | Posted by bruceaz at 2020-05-16 02:50 PM | Reply

Police need to be issued with a supply masks and then stop people without masks and give them a choice:

First offense, put on the mask or get a ticket.

Second offense, put on a mask or go to jail.

I'd expect police will love enforcing this is minority communities, which ironically means the police will actually help keep those communities safe for a change.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-16 03:00 PM | Reply

@#14 ... Just a point to ponder: The Hong Kong flu came 1968-1969 and killed 100k Americans. Guess what concert happened right around the peak of that virus? Woodstock. Nobody canceled life, nobody closed the world. ...

And how many Americans would have died if mitigations were in place in 1968-1969? What are the relative contagiousness and death rates of the two outbreaks you are trying to compare?

Worded differently, how many Americans would die if there were no migrations put into place for our current COVID-19 crisis?

You try to state a view, but what you say goes against apparent goal of why you are saying it.


#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-16 03:23 PM | Reply

He says it's just a point to ponder.

But it's a terrible point, and he never actually pondered it himself, or he would have found the USA Today article destroying it.

That's why he is a propagandist. Albeit, likely an unwitting one.

A dupe.

A useful idiot for those who would rather see Americans in body bags than the rich suffer a bad haircut. From which we can discern he is clearly not a Raiders fan.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-16 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Danni,

"What is the number of deaths that will cause Trump's base to turn on him. "

And do what exactly?

What does turning on Trump actually entail?

Actually I sort of understand the importance of reopening things.

I can't say I believe it "should" or "shouldn't" be done. I'm not sure.

But I definitely understand the motive behind it.

You have to ask yourself....which is worse?

The sickness or the cure.

#34 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-16 08:29 PM | Reply

"Actually I sort of understand the importance of reopening things"

Pretty sure we all understand that.

The question is, that's worth people dying to you?

How many? What are the acceptable losses, or are they all acceptable losses?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-16 08:37 PM | Reply

You have to ask yourself....which is worse?
The sickness or the cure.
#34 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Speaking for myself, I'm financially secure enough to stay at home until 2022.

So I'll take "cure."

What's your answer?

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-16 08:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Doofy,

There's people suffering in the millions as a result of shutting down the economy.

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-16 09:30 PM | Reply

Doofy,

2022?

I wouldn't call that "finally secure"

#38 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-16 09:33 PM | Reply

There's people suffering in the millions as a result of shutting down the economy.

No.

There's people suffering in the millions as a result of the rich hoarding wealth.

Class warfare is real, and the rich, as always, are winning.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-16 09:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

2022?

I wouldn't call that "finally secure"

Considering the majority of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

Being able to take two years off without worry sounds pretty financially secure.

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-16 09:39 PM | Reply

Clown,

The rich hoarding wealth is true but it's not pertinent to the question of reopening the economy.

#41 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-16 09:55 PM | Reply

Another meaningless mandate from our
illegally elected Bloatus...

Just shows what a sociopath the Donald is,
only cares about getting reelected (and
staying out of jail--of course)...

#42 | Posted by earthmuse at 2020-05-16 10:42 PM | Reply

Lavish doles are the answer. UBI, a free ride,in the parlance.the rich have been getting theirs for centuries. Now it's time for them to pay back. Jeff Bezos alone has more wealth than 200,000,000 Americans. He did not earn it. He leveraged tax breaks and Monopoly to become richer than any one person should ever be.
That kind oligarchic accumulation is what got Kondorovsky, jailed and his wealth stripped away by the Russian state. Here in America he would be a hero. In Russia he was rightly seen as a usurper of the common good.

#43 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-16 10:56 PM | Reply

The rich hoarding wealth is true but it's not pertinent to the question of reopening the economy.
#41 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Of course it is. The rich are upset that their hoarding is slowing down. Instead of sharing what they've hoarded and paying folks to stay at home, they are pushing to reopen the economy so they can hoard some more at the expense of the dead.

#44 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-17 08:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#36 | Posted by snoofy, At our expense, you will hide in your apartment and wait for anyone with a pair to go out and get things moving again. Forgive me if I will not be impressed when you emerge from your man-cave. Maybe your drinking or lush habits will catch up with you while doing nothing for anyone as usual. God hates a coward, for a reason.

#45 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-17 09:27 AM | Reply

There's people suffering in the millions as a result of shutting down the economy.

#37 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Maybe they should have had better job skills and then they wouldn't be dispensable.

That's what righties always said in the past to justify their treatment of low class workers. I'm skeptical (to put it politely) that they genuinely care now.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-17 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

God hates a coward, for a reason.

#45 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

God doesn't exist.

And if it did it would hate peoples who squander their brains for faux machoism and blind faith in a conman.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-17 10:41 AM | Reply

There's people suffering in the millions as a result of shutting down the economy.

#37 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

So why is King Trumpy making millions of his people suffer?

Who is in charge here? The virus or King Trumpy?

Only King Trumpy can fix this so what is taking so long?

Does King Trumpy not love his people anymore?

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-17 11:26 AM | Reply

#47 | Posted by jpw I don't know about that, you bought every word Adam Schiff uttered.

#49 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-17 11:39 AM | Reply

#36 | Posted by snoofy, At our expense, you will hide in your apartment and wait for anyone with a pair to go out and get things moving again.
#45 | POSTED BYDOCNJO

At your expense?
Nobody's making you go out and get things moving again.
That's your choice. Own it.
Also, you have a job? I doubt it.

Finally, have you ever heard of working from home?
Google is working from home until 2021.
Twitter is working from home as long as they want, even after the pandemic ends in late 2021 or so.

You're an uninformed angry old man who thinks $30k is a good salary.

Your angry at me, for what? Not wanting to spread disease? Having the wherewithal to save for a rainy day that is an 18 month pandemic? Not shopping? You're angry at me for not shopping? You're a sad joke. How much of your 80% disability is mental?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-17 12:28 PM | Reply

Imagine not being able to understand that crowds spread disease.

Imagine being mad at a person for staying home rather than sauntering down to the gay bath house and "get things moving" when AIDS first became a thing in the 80s.

Docnjo, you don't have to imagine.

Docnjo, you have a death cult mentality. Not surprising, considering that you chose to spend your life killing people. If I were the type to pray, it would that you find some peace in this life before it's too late.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-17 12:43 PM | Reply

The rich hoarding wealth is true but it's not pertinent to the question of reopening the economy.

#41 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2020-05-16 09:55 PM | REPLY

It seems like that's the only pertinent question. Rich people aren't going back to work in crowded locations with no PPE. I don't know of many rich people who are willing to work a week on the line in a meat plant. Rich people like the Faux Spews anchors and Combover Quisling are working from home or only around people who get tested everyday and are beating the drums for the serfs to risk their lives and the lives of their families to return to low wage jobs.

But what if nobody shows up? The vast majority of Americans favor a go-slow science based approach with a strong testing regimen. Restaurants and bars won't be able to survive at only 25% capacity as the morons rush into the arms of COVID-45 and the rest of us stay home.

#52 | Posted by _Gunslinger_ at 2020-05-17 01:26 PM | Reply

#51 | Posted by snoofy Stay inside and be a parasite, it was a free country until recently.

#53 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-17 02:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#53 | POSTED BY DOCNJO
Stay angry until you breathe your last miserable breath.
And remember, you chose what to do with your life.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-17 02:47 PM | Reply

it was a free country until recently.
#53 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Which freedoms do you believe you have lost?

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-17 02:50 PM | Reply

it was a free country until recently.
#53 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Did Trump take your freedoms away?

Or did Trump not lift a finger to keep your freedoms from being taken away?

Or is it that ---- Snoofy who took your freedoms away. LOL!

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-17 02:55 PM | Reply

it was a free country until recently.
#53 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

It was a pandemic free country until recently too.

Adapt... or die.

What do you think your odds are, Docnjo?

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-17 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

47 | Posted by jpw I don't know about that, you bought every word Adam Schiff uttered.

#49 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Typically one refrains from spewing nonsense when they get called out for spewing nonsense.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-17 04:39 PM | Reply

51 | Posted by snoofy Stay inside and be a parasite, it was a free country until recently.

#53 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

If he's working from home then how is he a parasite?

Some people are employable for things other than menial labor.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-17 04:42 PM | Reply

"If he's working from home then how is he a parasite?"

I'm not working from home right now.
But the type of work I'm looking for, in the bioinformatics and health analytics realm, is very well suited to working from home.
Just like most of American's high-paying tech jobs. All you need is the laptop they give you, a cell phone, maybe two monitors, and you can work from home easily.
That's why Google is doing it for the rest of the year and Twitter is doing it indefinitely.
Fourteen years ago I had a temp gig at Boeing, and every employee there has a laptop. They can ALL work from home.

Cutting up a pig is hard to do from home.
But that's for illegals and people without GEDs.
And the economy needs Twitter and Google a whole lot more than it needs pork and chicken.
No, really, it does. Twitter alone is worth about as much as the entire American pork industry.

I've worked from home in the past.
In my opinion, it sucks.
But it doesn't suck as much as getting disease or spreading disease.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-17 06:13 PM | Reply

"it was a free country until recently."

You were stupid yesterday and you're still stupid today. No surprises here.

#61 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-18 08:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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