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Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, May 18, 2020

Let's be clear: A crime was committed in the Michael Flynn case. But that crime was committed not by the retired general, but by someone who leaked the classified details of his conversations with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The Justice Department was correct to drop charges against Flynn for lying to the FBI about his communications with Kislyak. The case was reviewed by Jeff Jensen, the US attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri with two decades of experience as a prosecutor and FBI special agent, and the resulting 108-page motion to dismiss is a searing indictment of FBI misconduct.

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This continues to metastasize...

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-18 12:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"But that crime was committed not by the retired general"

He plead guilty.
That's either evidence of his guilt, or evidence that he committed perjury when he lied and plead guilty.

Hopefully RightOCenter can tag in explain why it's neither, because I know JeffJ can't.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-18 12:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That meant Flynn pleaded guilty to making false statements that were not "material" to any investigation. For Flynn to have committed a crime, his statement had to have been "not simply false, but materially' false with respect to a matter under investigation."

This part of your perfectly timed post alone is enough to quiet each and every voice that keeps this incessant screeching of "he plead guilty" he plead guilty he plead guilty"

from ever assaulting my hearing, or any other sense, again.

or it should.

#3 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 12:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Flynn by his own admission had secret talks with a Russian spy, then lied about them to his vice president.

Why did he do that?

How can anyone trust a disgraced general that lies about secret contacts with Russian spies?

Then lies about what was said on those calls to the FBI.

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#4 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-18 12:48 AM | Reply

This continues to metastasize...

#1 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Rightwing conspiracy theories?

Absolutely.

#5 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-18 01:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-18 12:21 AM

I am going to assume that even your use of the Washington Post will still be met with skepticism and, of course...the gold standard of leftist debate...."rightwing conspiracy theories".

Surely the left's "favorite" legal authority, Alan Dershowitz will join in their attack on your source ? WELL, not quite.

From "the hill" of May 15,2020...

"Even if some answers Flynn gave to the FBI were not entirely truthful, they were not material to any legitimate investigation. It is difficult for some to understand that lying to the FBI or to a grand jury is not simply by itself a crime. The lie has to be material, which is a technical word that can have several meanings. One such meaning is that if the FBI already possessed clear evidence in an investigation that provided indisputable proof of the answer to the question, the answer given by a person being questioned, whether true or false, could not be declared material to the investigation."

"It is difficult for some to understand.."

No, Dr. Dershowitz, I believe you're being too polite when you use the word "difficult".

#6 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 01:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I am going to assume that even your use of the Washington Post will still be met with skepticism

It's the opinion page. So what.

they were not material to any legitimate investigation.

Is this the newest version of "you can't obstruct if there is no crime"?

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-18 01:27 AM | Reply

" One such meaning is that if the FBI already possessed clear evidence in an investigation that provided indisputable proof of the answer to the question, the answer given by a person being questioned, whether true or false, could not be declared material to the investigation."

Can you imagine what would happen if this principle was carried to its logical end? That any time the FBI knows you're lying, it's therefore immaterial to lie to them??? GTFOH.

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-18 01:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Can you imagine what would happen if this principle was carried to its logical end? That any time the FBI knows you're lying, it's therefore immaterial to lie to them??? GTFOH.

#8 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

That type of absurdity is all the Flynn fanboys have left.

Because they'll shamelessly say anything, no matter how poorly thought out, to support Dear Leader.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-18 01:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#7

Nah, it's, "the FBI can't investigate whether someone is a foreign agent unless it already has evidence the person is a foreign agent."

#10 | Posted by et_al at 2020-05-18 02:03 AM | Reply

Flynn..." I plead guilty "
DoJ.... "nevermind"
Has to be a first

But if all these gymnastics help you all sleep at night while knowing you support criminals.. so be it

#11 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2020-05-18 04:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This obviously was overlooked by some.

"For Flynn to have committed a crime, his statement had to have been "not simply false, but materially' false with respect to a matter under investigation."

#12 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 07:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1 The left's only choice is to try to drag this out past November and hope Stink Finger Joe remembers to kill the inquiry.

#13 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-05-18 07:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

#1 The left's only choice is to try to drag this out past November and hope Stink Finger Joe remembers to kill the inquiry.

#13 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-05-18 07:28 AM | Reply |

Leftist are in their "sweet spot" at the moment with both this and covid-19. For as long as I can remember their plan was the same. Deny / delay. deny / delay and then at a certain point they'll say "Oh that was a long time ago" or they will have passed an election and then have the means to do just as you said.

"kill the inquiry."

The amazing part is they still think they can get away with it without being called out.

#14 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 07:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

RHET, you poor thing. You've been brainwashed. Get better soon.

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-05-18 08:08 AM | Reply

RHET

Yesterday Donald Trump described the administration of Barack Obama as the most "corrupt and incompetent in US history."

Do you believe that??????

Yes or No?

#16 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-05-18 08:18 AM | Reply

Yes or No?

#16 | Posted by Twinpac a

He'll not answer but still mutter "yes" under his breath.

I notice this morning that there is a new, broad push to turn the tables and make Obama the corrupt one and not Trump.

Just a coincidence it comes after Obama royally burned Trump Saturday night by accurately describing the man's behavior.

#17 | Posted by Zed at 2020-05-18 08:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 they figured Hillary would win and would make sure not only that the evidence never saw the light, but would double-down on the tactics.

#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-05-18 08:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

ZED

"I notice this morning that there is a new, broad push to turn the tables and make Obama the corrupt one and not Trump."

Projection is a mental illness in a man of Trump's age. It's a defense mechanism in his brain. He's felt like an insecure loser and a grifter all his life. He's never been accepted into Manhattan's ritzy society. This is just part and parcel of the same thing.

Strip away the glitzy trapping and we'll no doubt find a pitiful little sewer rat.

#19 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-05-18 08:47 AM | Reply

ZED

"He'll [Rhet] not answer.

I know.

Sunlight is my favorite disinfectant.

#20 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-05-18 08:52 AM | Reply

-to support Dear Leader.

You should should design a board game where the winner gets to declare "I hate Trump". That should be the name of it, BTW.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2020-05-18 09:02 AM | Reply

"For Flynn to have committed a crime, his statement had to have been "not simply false, but materially' false with respect to a matter under investigation."

The long list of people who thought Flynn's lies were material

www.washingtonpost.com

BTW, the list includes Trump and Pence.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-18 09:03 AM | Reply

Just a reminder as we are about to enter Phase 2:

Anticipating Phase Two of the Trumped Up "Obamagate"

www.justsecurity.org

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-18 09:10 AM | Reply

RHET, you poor thing. You've been brainwashed. Get better soon.

#15 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-05-18 08:08 AM |

Thanks for the good wishes and inspiring rebuttal. I'm about to get much better.

#24 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 09:18 AM | Reply

#14 they figured Hillary would win and would make sure not only that the evidence never saw the light, but would double-down on the tactics.

#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-05-18 08:29 AM | Reply

They were absolutely certain that she would win and anything done by 44 would be hidden. She also would have finished off the Republic. Something that

44 started.

#25 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 09:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#24 You, sir, are the epitome of class and distinction. Bravo!

#26 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-05-18 09:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#14 they figured Hillary would win and would make sure not only that the evidence never saw the light, but would double-down on the tactics.
#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-05-18 08:29 AM | Reply
They were absolutely certain that she would win and anything done by 44 would be hidden. She also would have finished off the Republic. Something that
44 started."

The unmaskings that the right are pretending to be up in arms about came after Trump had won.

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-18 09:26 AM | Reply

No, Flynn commuted the crime.
He plead guilty twice to it.

#28 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-05-18 09:28 AM | Reply

No, Flynn commuted the crime.
He plead guilty twice to it.

#28 | Posted by aborted_monson

Nothing personal, but I believe that I'll take Dershowitz's opinion over the opinions of anonymous posters because he sure got the "it's difficult" part correct.

"It is difficult for some to understand that lying to the FBI or to a grand jury is not simply by itself a crime. The lie has to be material, which is a technical word that can have several meanings. "

#29 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 09:33 AM | Reply

#24 You, sir, are the epitome of class and distinction. Bravo!

#26 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-05-18 09:23 A

thanks.

I find it "difficult" to understand how some people think, but it's becoming more clear by the day.

your post #14 exposes why this occurred at the highest levels of our national security agencies. Because they knew a president

Hillary would never expose what was going on.

#30 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 09:41 AM | Reply

and It's not about 'class'. It's about manners.

#31 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 09:43 AM | Reply

#31 I find class is usually revealed by manners, regardless if the well-mannered consider themselves to be high-class or not.

#32 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-05-18 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"#14 they figured Hillary would win and would make sure not only that the evidence never saw the light, but would double-down on the tactics.
#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2020-05-18 08:29 AM | Reply
They were absolutely certain that she would win and anything done by 44 would be hidden. She also would have finished off the Republic. Something that
44 started."

If they were certain she was going to win, why bother to do something they had to keep hidden in the first place? If they weren't certain she would win, why not leak the info they supposedly got by nefarious means before the election when it would have hurt Trump? For that matter if you are going to use Trump logic, if President Trump can do whatever he wants, as he has claimed, why couldn't a President Obama have done the same?

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-18 09:50 AM | Reply

If he is a sock puppet of Sheeple/Ira Goldberg as some of speculated, Rhet pontificating on the importance of manners is rich irony indeed.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2020-05-18 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thanks for posting, JeffJ. Lots of people fixate only on the guilty plea, but what they don't mention is Meuller was threatening to go after his son at the same time and had given assurances his son would be spared if he plead guilty. Was he really admitting he lied or just trying to spare his son under coercion? The investigators themselves wrote down that they didn't think he was lying.

"Liberals" now think abusive law enforcement is justified because they're currently going after an admin they hate. For some reason they don't think it could ever back fire on a future admin of their own.

#35 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-05-18 10:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

but what they don't mention is Meuller was threatening to go after his son at the same time and had given assurances his son would be spared if he plead guilty.

So he plead guilty to a crime he didn't commit to spare his son from an investigation of a crime he didn't commit?

Keep spinning, bud. Just be careful you don't vomit.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-18 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#35 Well-stated, LoD. NW.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-18 11:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I love how entrapment and prosecutorial misconduct are things to be cheered as long as the right people are targeted.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-18 11:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

kudos to both of you Jeffj and LoD.

"Liberals" now think abusive law enforcement is justified because they're currently going after an admin they hate. For some reason they don't think it could ever back fire on a future admin of their own.

#35 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-05-18 10:47 AM

You're looking forward..."back fire on a future admin of their own"...and I look back at "liberals" who used to actively protest against these same

agencies and attempted to educate everyone against the dangers of those agencies' overreach. Now they embrace it.

#39 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 11:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I love how entrapment and prosecutorial misconduct are things to be cheered as long as the right people are targeted.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-18 11:16 AM | Repl

well said. Again, I wish (and I'm sure I will later.. lol ) I had said that because it encapsulates the entire issue.

#40 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 11:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Imagine believing, I mean truly believing in your heart, that asking someone if they committed a crime is immaterial to the investigation of the crime.

Was it immaterial when Bill Clinton said he did not have sexual relations with that woman Miss Lewinsky?

For what, then, was Bill Clinton impeached?

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-18 02:49 PM | Reply

#35 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

The hogwash you dopes come up with is pathetically hilarious.

#42 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-18 03:03 PM | Reply

Liberals" now think abusive law enforcement is justified...

#35 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2020-05-18 10:47 AM | Reply | Fla

yes. Just like the raw hate they justify because PRESIDENT Trump is there instead of Mrs. Clinton as clearly expressed every day.

JUST LIKE THE NUCLEAR OPTION !. Harry Reid, the admitted liar, was told not to pull that one out because it would come back and bite them later. We

have seen that prophesy come true and it was truly sweet. Abusive law enforcement will at some point turn on it's leftist supporters. It's just a

matter of time.

#43 | Posted by rhet at 2020-05-18 04:53 PM | Reply

#43 | POSTED BY RHET AT 2020-05-18 04:53 PM

None of my flags stick (not sure why and Rcade doesn't know why either - probably some bug in the code) so I'll just post NW.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2020-05-18 05:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is apparent that depending on party whether an excuse for committing a crime justifies the means, constitution and law be damned.

#45 | Posted by Crassus at 2020-05-19 02:40 AM | Reply

"It is apparent that depending on party whether an excuse for committing a crime justifies the means, constitution and law be damned."

Okay, let's start with lying to the FBI: Good thing? Bad thing? Or do you have to wait to see the letter after the name before you answer?

How about offering to kidnap someone living in America and renditioning them to, say, Turkey: Good thing, bad thing, or you'll get back to us?

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-19 02:48 AM | Reply

DANFORTH

"How about offering to kidnap someone living in America and renditioning them to, say, Turkey"

Trump and Flynn were very close. I think it's highly probable that Trump knew Flynn was a double agent and didn't care.

(Double agents don't register as foreign lobbyists.)

#47 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-05-19 02:59 AM | Reply

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