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Wednesday, May 20, 2020

"We have a long path ahead, with the real possibility of a resurgence of COVID-19. Therefore, we must now re-focus our attention on resuming critical missions, increasing levels of activity, and making necessary preparations should a significant resurgence of COVID-19 occur later this year," it read.

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It's about what I thought would happen. Trump's negligence will become more resented as the depths of this epidemic grow over time. By the time he leaves office in January he won't show his ugly face in public again. He will be like Richard Nixon, hiding out on his estate but the good part is that his kids will be too. I can't stand his kids.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-20 09:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

yes. there are models out that say this. current policy means this will be as bad as it can be. our only hope is for a president biden and vp warren or klobuchar.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-20 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DANNI

And all this because one unhinged, egocentric, narcissistic mental midget didn't pay attention to the early warnings.

Someone should explain the domino effect to him. I don't think Trump expected what this has turned into. He certainly didn't anticipate it would cost him a re-election.

He's been swimming upstream ever since ~~ against a strong current.

#3 | Posted by Twinpac at 2020-05-20 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1 DANNI

If only that were the case. They have been revamping plans to open a "News" organization when he is booted out of office. The signs point to the fact that we are going to have to put up with his face, or at least his voice, until he either gives up the ghost or goes to jail.

#4 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2020-05-20 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why is this news, and how is it a "leak?"

If anything, it sounds like the Pentagon thinks it might end early!

"A pandemic is expected to last 18 months or longer and could include multiple waves of illness."
US Government COVID-19 Respone Plan. March 16, 2020.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-20 12:40 PM | Reply

I guess the Pentagon poobahs didn't get Eric "I AM TOO smart!" Trump's memo about the virus disappearing after the election. How can these military types correct their work?

#6 | Posted by catdog at 2020-05-20 12:49 PM | Reply

This was already said in April. There are so many models out there that predict a huge number of conclusions. The problem isn't the models. The problem is that people attach themselves to only the ones that fit their narrative. There were models that 300k people would die by end of May, and we are at 1/3 of that. But, it sounded good to the anti-Trump crowd so that's what they started whining about. Turns out it didn't happen. So what does the anti-Trump crowd do? Do they say they were wrong? Do they admit that the research is changing every week and new models are being released by the thousands of accredited scientific communities across the world?

No, they just move on the next model that prophesies doomsday scenarios because that makes it something they can use to demonize Trump. This is no different than some of the hard Righters on my FB feed. They shove out research links on their feed that shows all of the research that agrees with their narrative. Yet, every time I see it it annoys the crap out of me because the first question is, "Why do you ignore all the other science that comes to different conclusions when most scientific bodies releasing the data are somewhat reliable, as far as the scientific process goes. They don't have an answer to that. The hard Leftists on my feed usually aren't citing science links. Most Libs right now are just acting like Glenn Becks and crying like babies that something bad is happening. They don't care enough about science to accept that bad things do happen that cannot be prevented. It's just part of life and nature. But, Libs are more emotional beings so they just whine and cry because that's their coping mechanism.

#7 | Posted by humtake at 2020-05-20 01:01 PM | Reply

"Success will look like an overreaction"

The models use the currently available data. If factors change, the output from the model changes. If we hadn't gone to lockdown mode, there is little doubt things would look more like 300k by now.

#8 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2020-05-20 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There were models that 300k people would die by end of May, and we are at 1/3 of that. But, it sounded good to the anti-Trump crowd

7 | Posted by humtake at

Whatever model one prefers to follow, the COVID deaths do nothing but rise, and that increase is by very nature "anti-Trump"

Why aren't you on Trump's ass making him do his damned job?

Why do you use so much energy finding some formula or words, some variety of argument, that somehow makes him look better than he is?

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2020-05-20 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But, Libs are more emotional beings

#7 | Posted by humtake at

Interesting.

How would you describe Donald?

Me? I don't see him as having emotions at all.

But I'd like your perspective.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2020-05-20 01:12 PM | Reply

"There are so many models out there that predict a huge number of conclusions."

BS.

All models predict 18+ months of pandemic.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-20 01:14 PM | Reply

How bad a president is Donald Trump?

By the end of this day 95,000 dead Americans bad.

I'm just reporting the number.

I don't expect you to get emotional about it.

Trumpite.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2020-05-20 01:15 PM | Reply

"Do they admit that the research is changing every week and new models are being released by the thousands of accredited scientific communities across the world?

No, they just move on the next model that prophesies doomsday scenarios because that makes it something they can use to demonize Trump."

You're just making stuff up, Humtake.

Liberals don't go model shopping.

Trump does, though. And I don't mean the First Lady. I mean Trump keeps upping the number of dead we might see, keeping just ahead of the curve.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-20 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#7 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

1. There were models that 300k people would die by end of May, and we are at 1/3 of that.
The models like that assumed no social distancing and acted as a worst case scenario.

2. So what does the anti-Trump crowd do?
Say a prayer of relief that States didn't listen to Trump and actually shut down.

3. No, they just move on the next model that prophesies doomsday scenarios because that makes it something they can use to demonize Trump.
No, they demonize Trump because he refused to listen to any model while pretending COVID-19 would "magically" go away. Now he is demanding states re-opening, encouraging people to riot, and trying to do away with testing so we won't know how many people are sick or dead.

4. Most Libs right now are just acting like Glenn Becks and crying like babies that something bad is happening.
Most Libs are pissed we have 100,000 dead and counting because idiot Republicans refused to listen to medical experts.

5. They don't care enough about science to accept that bad things do happen that cannot be prevented. It's just part of life and nature.
The American House is burning down and Trump refused to call the fire department. The science said call. Common sense said call. Trump said stay in the House and order a pizza. This isn't life and nature. It's abject stupidity in the face of actual danger because idiots like Trump were more worried about getting re-elected than protecting the country. And you encourage it.

Life and Nature happens. But you can make it a lot worse by how you react. Trump ignored Life and Nature. And we have a lot of dead people because of it.

Honestly, I don't think I have enough crayons to explain this to you.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2020-05-20 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

"There were models that 300k people would die by end of May"

I've actually never heard this until Humtake said it.

Got a link, Humtake?

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-20 02:00 PM | Reply

Sounds serious. Considering that 2/2,100,000 have died from COVID. .0000095% if I did the math correctly. Or, 1/1,050,000.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-20 03:20 PM | Reply

As I've said before as a member of this demographic, the numbers tell me I'm at far higher risk of dying in a fatal car crash. And I'm six times more likely to die of injuries related to a lightning strike than I am to die of COVID.

Which isn't to say I'm not at risk...just that this risk isn't particularly alarming when compared to all the other risks I (we) face.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-20 03:22 PM | Reply

No question but that Covid-19 will linger for a very long time. The question is, at what level? Because we may be dealing with small outbreaks of Covid 19 for the rest of our lives unless a vaccine is perfected.
Keep in mind that common cold is a form of Corona Virus. And there is no vaccine for that. On the other hand, Measles is also a form of the Corona Virus and we have a very effective vaccine for that.

#18 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-05-20 03:22 PM | Reply

"Because we may be dealing with small outbreaks of Covid 19 for the rest of our lives unless a vaccine is perfected."

The world deals with all kinds of outbreaks. Including the Bubonic plague, which last had a major outbreak in 1994. Rabies, which is VERY scary, killed more than 17k people in 2017. Rabies scares me. So does Tick Borne Encephalitis. I think about those things often. TBE has a mortality rate similar to COVID, but not limited to old people with pre-existing conditions. My neighbors warn me about feeding the foxes, as they carry "Rabia."

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-20 03:39 PM | Reply

Measles is also a form of the Corona Virus

Is it really?

#20 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-20 03:42 PM | Reply

Is it really?

#20 | POSTED BY REDIAL

No.

Measles is a paramyxovirus.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-20 06:03 PM | Reply

Sounds serious. Considering that 2/2,100,000 have died from COVID. .0000095% if I did the math correctly. Or, 1/1,050,000.

If you're in the US, with the limited and inaccurate testing such as it is, the rate for the general population of testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 is currently 0.5% (half a percent). Of those that have been exposed and contracted COVID-19, 6% will die.

Your calculation of "risk of dying from COVID-19" (which is a meaningless number) would yield 0.03%, not 0.000095% for the US.

Please don't do any more math. Thank you.

#22 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-20 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I like how a death toll equivalent to 30 9/11s isn't even cause for concern for the Deplorables.

It's as though the actual bad thing that happened on 9/11 was a few tall buildings fell down. Not that there were people inside.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-20 10:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Please don't do any more math. Thank you."

Maybe I did the math wrong. Maybe you can help me.

The DoD has written a memo expressing concern about COVID 19. There are 2.1 million service members in the active duty, guard, and reserve. Two of those have died of COVID. 2/2,100,000=9.52381E-07. Which written as a percentage would be .000095%, correct?

If the math is wrong, feel free to correct me.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-21 03:52 AM | Reply

Your math is fine, what you're trying to do with it isn't. You also threw the numbers out without defining what they were (or I missed it).
what's wrong:
Equating military with the general population. Wrong for many reasons, average age being just the beginning.
Extrapolating death rate risk the way you're calculating it based on those that haven't been exposed is not a legitimate way of accessing risk. There are two factors: Risk of becoming infected, risk of dying if infected.
For instance, R0 (transmissibility) is calculated based on several factors.
R0 = b*k*D
where b is transmission probability, k is contract rate, and D is duration of contact.

Saying that the risk of dying from COVID 19 is infinitesimal, which is what you're trying to do, is obviously not true. Especially if you're a health care worker, for instance, or if you're a bus driver, or if you're a teacher that is going to be forced into going back to work.

#25 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-21 08:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Equating military with the general population. Wrong for many reasons, average age being just the beginning."

The article was addressing the DoD's concern about the effects of a sustained pandemic. Unless the numbers changed dramatically, it would seem that COVID is pretty far down the list of things that the DoD should be concerned about.

"Extrapolating death rate risk the way you're calculating it based on those that haven't been exposed is not a legitimate way of accessing risk. There are two factors: Risk of becoming infected, risk of dying if infected."

I haven't seen any new numbers, but as of April 24th, the number of Service Members who had contracted COVID-19 was 3,919.

The biggest concern for the DoD seems to be that they don't know the long-term effects of COVID, so they're pre-emptively barring anyone who was hospitalized for it from joining the military.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-21 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're wrong in that you think the Pentagon's concern is only for the Military. The Pentagon's concerned with operating in a world involved with a pandemic. They've already been called in for support and aid, They have their own missions, and this can impact those. Just like Global Warming will impact them. Just like GW can cause mass migrations, shortages of food and water, all impacting the very definition of borders,

I don't have any idea why you think the number you're trying to use as some parameter for a decision is relevant.

More obvious is that the Pentagon doesn't seem to agree with you.

#27 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-21 01:02 PM | Reply

"I don't have any idea why you think the number you're trying to use as some parameter for a decision is relevant."

They're not.

I'm not the DoD. It's the responsibility of the SECDEF to prioritize risk. I was only providing the statistics that he would be seeing as he does that prioritization.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-21 01:59 PM | Reply

We believe in science in my house, so we prepared in March with everything we'd need to protect ourselves from catching COVID-19, and plan to hunker down until it no longer poses a threat. But the past couple of months I've seen maybe 2 or 3 fellow customers wearing masks at the supermarket and seen some grab shopping carts without even wiping the handles with provided disinfectant wipes. Examples of why we've had thousands of cases here, and counting. The daily case count may be low for a day or two, then a new triple digit record.

When I went to our local post office in early April to send off some packages, wearing a mask, one of the white good ole boys who works the counter scoffed and remarked that the CDC wasn't recommending masks, expressing skepticism about the danger COVID poses. He's been out for a month with it. C'est la vie.

#29 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-21 07:17 PM | Reply

#29

I went to get my tires changed out the other day. I wear a face covering any time I'm in public. I was the only person at the dealership wearing anything. A few had a mask on, pulled down around their neck.

I wasn't sure what to do. Am I an ------- for wearing a mask, or not wearing a mask?

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-22 05:07 AM | Reply

#30 | Posted by madbomber

IMO, by wearing a mask you're displaying intelligence.

I wear a mask anytime I'm around other people, and especially inside since studies indicate this virus can hang around in the air for a long time.

In the rush to reopen everything, businesses would be wise to require masks so people feel safe inside. Most people I know, myself included, simply don't want to be in a crowd of people who act like these are normal times. Not when this virus is spread easily and can do serious damage in a number of ways.

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-22 05:59 AM | Reply

I'm an American living in Germany, so I feel like it's always a bit different for me. As a guest in this country, I try my best not to be the ------- who stands out for the sake of standing out.

#32 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-22 06:08 AM | Reply

MAD

Even though the others had theirs down around their necks, no doubt they appreciated your making the effort rather than showing up without a mask. Maybe they felt they were far enough away from each other> They did have the masks, after all.

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-22 06:49 AM | Reply

I don't know. I tend to get pissed when people intentionally flaunt or disregard the local culture. Especially when it is Americans doing it. I'm probably more sensitive to this than I need to be.

#34 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-22 06:51 AM | Reply

And I'm not really concerned about getting COVID, but if wearing a mask is somehow reassuring to people I'm more than willing to do it.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-22 06:52 AM | Reply

You're being respectful by wearing a mask. It isn't as though you're wearing an ISIS flag on your jacket :-)

#36 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-22 07:14 AM | Reply

100,000,000 people locked down in China right now because of a new wave of virus or perhaps even a different virus yet some here don't feel like this horrible disease is something to be very concerned about. It's called a Pandemic for good reason, it's real and it is a threat to the entire world.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-22 08:18 AM | Reply

#30 | Posted by madbomber

IMO, by wearing a mask you're displaying intelligence.

I wear a mask anytime I'm around other people, and especially inside since studies indicate this virus can hang around in the air for a long time.

In the rush to reopen everything, businesses would be wise to require masks so people feel safe inside. Most people I know, myself included, simply don't want to be in a crowd of people who act like these are normal times. Not when this virus is spread easily and can do serious damage in a number of ways.

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-22 05:59 AM

Dear MAD,

You're dead-on right, of course.

However, it cannot be stressed enough, your mask doesn't protect you, it protects others from you. When I observe others not wearing a mask on the rare occasions when I'm out and about, I am thinking, "Wow, such selfish, stupid axxhxles!"

#38 | Posted by john47 at 2020-05-22 10:01 AM | Reply

BS.

All models predict 18+ months of pandemic.

#11 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Trumpy prefers models that offer 15+ minutes of pleasure including a good whack with a magazine and maybe a------------- to top it off.

#39 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-22 10:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's called a Pandemic for good reason, it's real and it is a threat to the entire world.

#37 | POSTED BY DANNI

The term pandemic is only describing a novel disease with widespread distribution and continued transmission.

It says nothing about severity of a disease.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-22 11:36 AM | Reply

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