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Tuesday, May 26, 2020

Members of Congress are calling on federal officials to take down or alter headstones at two national cemeteries that contain swastikas or messages honoring Adolf Hitler. At Department of Veterans Affairs cemeteries in Texas and Utah, the graves of three German prisoners of war are marked with references to Nazi ideology.

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Two graves at Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery in San Antonio depict an iron cross with a swastika at its center, along with an inscription that reads: "He died far from his home for the Fhrer, people and fatherland." Another grave at Fort Douglas Post Cemetery in Salt Lake City depicts a Knight's cross with oak leaves and a swastika, according to The Salt Lake Tribune.

#1 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-05-25 06:58 PM | Reply

See? It's perfectly clear what this symbol means.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-25 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's perfectly clear what this symbol means.

There was ever any doubt what the Nazi swastika meant?

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-25 07:15 PM | Reply

It's perfectly clear what this symbol means.

There was ever any doubt what the Nazi swastika meant?

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-25 07:16 PM | Reply

Why remove them? They've been there for 75 years already. The people buried were not American so presumably they don't have a problem with them. The people who buried them put them on the gravestones to show who these people were. NAZIS, not Americans, it was a way to show the world their identities,as enemies,not allies. They should be allowed to remain as a reminder of the sacrifice our troops made to defeat that evil.

Why the rush to sanitize and whitewash history?

The men who interred them had no problem with it,why should we?

#5 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-25 08:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Why remove them?

Follow the money. Who is trying to wind up who with this? I'll admit to not reading the article.

#6 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-25 08:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Why remove them?"

Why rename N----- Mountain and N----- Creek?

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-25 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5

I typically find you to be a hysterical nutcase. However, that was lucid and well reasoned. I, generally, agree. Well done.

#8 | Posted by et_al at 2020-05-26 12:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The National Historic Preservation Act of 1966 assigns stewardship responsibilities to federal agencies, including VA and Army, to protect historic resources, including those that recognize divisive historical figures or events," the department said in a statement to Salon.com. "For this reason, VA will continue to preserve these headstones, like every past administration has."

This seems to be... the proper response?
These were actual Nazis. Cemeteries are like museums for the dead, and the tombstone is a historical marker for three foreign troops.

#9 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2020-05-26 07:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

These grave stones are set over dead Nazis. Leave the swastikas.

#10 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2020-05-26 11:38 AM | Reply

A good reminder of what the symbols represent now.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-26 11:45 AM | Reply

Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to STFU. She's a serious loser.

#12 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-26 11:51 AM | Reply

In other words, these lawmakers want to do exactly what Hitler did so he could ensure obedience without free thought. It's all written in many, many history books. Hitler got rid of every symbol he could find that he disagreed with or went against the values he was spreading.

#13 | Posted by humtake at 2020-05-26 12:12 PM | Reply

No one felt the need to use swastikas in the La Cambe German war cemetery in Normandy.

#14 | Posted by qcp at 2020-05-26 12:14 PM | Reply

Wow. Really glad the important issues of our day are being tended to.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-26 12:45 PM | Reply

Am I halucinating? ARe Americans defending Swastikas? Crazy! My Dad fought in WWII, he's gone now. But I can tell you this truthfully, he would have been fighting mad at the idea of a Swastika being present in any veteran's cemetary. Thousands of US GIs lost their lives fighting against the Nazis, there is not place in our modern world for their ideas or their symbols. They were, are, and will be always our enemies. Understand that and make sure future generations understand that. Neonazis should be hunted down and .......I'm not saying but.....Nazism is a belief which should never be allowed to grow in our nation even if we do have to hunt them down and ....... They are evil and we can never forget that.
Let me repeat, we can never, ever forget that. It needs to be drummed into every child in this nation over and over and over. never to be forgotten. Never allowed to even have a moment of belief. Evil, evil, evil. Nazism is pure evil incarnate. If there is a Devil, he is a Nazi.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-26 01:00 PM | Reply

There must be some way of memorializing that a deceased person was part of the German military during WWII without sticking swastikas onto gravestones.

#17 | Posted by moder8 at 2020-05-26 01:09 PM | Reply

Somebody just needs to take a Sledgehammer to the swastikas in the middle of the night. There's no way the government crafts a new headstone with that on it.

#18 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-26 01:13 PM | Reply

Why do so many people here want to ERASE history? These stones have been in place for decades. They are not hurting anyone. The men under them were enemies who died far from home. The swastikas are fitting in context.

#19 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-26 01:54 PM | Reply

Am I halucinating? ARe Americans defending Swastikas?

Have you been asleep and missed the self proclaimed "patriots" of the US carrying flags of enemies of the United States around proudly these last few years?

Never mind seeing a political party catering to them.

#20 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-05-26 02:40 PM | Reply

#16 | Posted by danni

My dad was a WWII vet as well. Active in the local VFW until he passed. He marched in every parade in our home town. And frankly someone I learned a lot from both about the war and how to treat people.

I don't think anyone is "defending" Nazi Swastikas. I think we (I agree) are saying leave them over the Nazi graves. That is what they were after all. Nothing to do with freedom of religion as the article seems to point to. They were troops from the German army who died as POWs in the US. If you are offended by the presence of a Nazi in a cemetery for vets, I agree - it is offensive but I would rather know what the person buried there is and there is no better way.

#21 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2020-05-26 02:51 PM | Reply

"Somebody just needs to take a Sledgehammer to the swastikas in the middle of the night. There's no way the government crafts a new headstone with that on it."

You're just as bad as anyone else who vandalizes others' graves for advocating that. Including the little schitts who deface them with swastikas.

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 04:07 PM | Reply

"Thousands of US GIs lost their lives fighting against the Nazis, there is not place in our modern world for their ideas or their symbols."

The question you should be asking is why were these Nazi POW's buried there?

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dig 'em up and send them back to Germany. We do the same with our soldiers. Let the Germans deal with it.

#24 | Posted by horstngraben at 2020-05-26 04:42 PM | Reply

A topic that made me think twice -- or able to argue both for and against the premise simultaneously.

#25 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-05-26 08:46 PM | Reply

Why do so many people here want to ERASE history?
#19 | POSTED BY EFFETEPOSER

Just making sure I understand:

It's erasing history when we remove the symbols someone spray painted on the synagogue, right?

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-26 09:18 PM | Reply

Dude, not at all. But these men died as strangers in a hostile land long ago. Our people thought it fitting at the time to put these symbols on their graves. They had no problem with it then.

If we were to remove them now. It would not be a big deal but it seems kind of stupid to me.
These young men died as prisoners but were buried with Americans. The swastikas show who they were; And what they fought for.

They may have died for evil. But perhaps were not themselves evil.

#27 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-26 11:19 PM | Reply

Yes snoofy you understand correctly... you're still brain damaged

#28 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-26 11:20 PM | Reply

Here is a little strange fact for y'all that you don't know. American soldiers are buried across Europe. France has graves from two world wars, Belgium, Italy, and even Russia has American cemeteries. The one place you will not find one is in Germany. We were finding the remains of American soldiers in Germany in the 1990s mostly from air crafts crash sites or in the woods, victims of death marches at the end of the war, They were still not buried in Germany. Those who were interred as POWs were removed and taken to American cemeteries in Belgium. German soldiers on the other hand have remained where they were originally buried. Most of the time in untended lots, or the markers removed and turned back into crop land. I knew some old Weir-markers, most survived the war because they were amputees. Have no doubt, the average German soldier knew what was going on, especially on the Eastern front. The Special Action troops and the SS had help.

#29 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-27 08:49 AM | Reply

Disinter them,Stones and all, and send them back to whatever cemetery the German Government wishes to use.
Easy peasy, Just call the German Embassy and have them take their citizens back. History served, military honor salved.

#30 | Posted by randomcanyon at 2020-05-27 09:39 AM | Reply

#23 | Posted by sentinel The ones in Texas are at Fort Sam Houston. Then as now it was a large military hospital. When German PWs got sick or injured they were sent there for medical care. Some died. The head stones were made by other PWs. Most PWs were not Nazis, and about 70% worked building grain silos and working on farms. Thirty PWs were secured by one soldier,there mostly to safeguard the prisoners. They had two other levels for actual Nazis or true believers. There were dozens of such camps. Those seldom had more than two hundred prisoners at one camp if they required additional security.

#31 | Posted by docnjo at 2020-05-27 12:07 PM | Reply

Simple solution: Ask Germany.

I suspect they'll want the swastikas gone.

#32 | Posted by DarkVader at 2020-05-27 07:41 PM | Reply

Who cares what Germany wants? We whipped them. Their opinion is not relevant. These corpse's are on American soil. Since when does America listen to foreigners dammit.

#33 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-27 09:55 PM | Reply

"Who cares what Germany wants?"

People with empathy.
In other words, not Deplorables.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 10:05 PM | Reply

Empathy for whom? These dudes are dead. They were Nazis who loved the fuhrer. They probably like having that ------ on their graves.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is a busybody dumbass. She doesn't really care either, it's just another way to make noise for her.

Who really has a stake in whether on not these swastikas remain?

The dead themselves and the VA,both of those parties want them to be there. The rest are just posturing for attention.

#35 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-27 10:21 PM | Reply

"Empathy for whom?"

Thank you for making my point so abundantly clear!

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 11:14 PM | Reply

"Who really has a stake in whether on not these swastikas remain?"

Oh, just every American taxpayer.

You are so used to being powerless your entire life that you don't know how to assert yourself.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 11:16 PM | Reply

#37 It doesn't bother me that they are there. The men interred were Nazis. They are historical figures not contemporaries. You might as well strip all the Confederate graves too while you're at it.

Where does the whitewashing end? Why does any reference to past conflicts have to be neutered?

Are we really so tender that we can't stand to see even historical graves unaltered?

I'm not talking about Neo Nazis, or the dumbasses waving battle flags today. I'm talking about living history,actual Confederate cemeteries created during or just after the war,and yes,Nazi graves. Not neo nazi bullcrap but actual wartime burials. They're graves are hallowed too; even if they died for an abomination, respect is due.

History is uncomfortable, and challenges our smug certainties about the present.

#38 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-28 01:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

...he would have been fighting mad at the idea of a Swastika being present in any veteran's cemetary.
#16 | POSTED BY DANNI

These graves and tombstones were there while your dad was still alive, why didn't he fight it then?

#39 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 07:09 AM | Reply

And on topic, as long as these monuments are presented in proper context, then they are history and should remain. Not like the Confederate monuments that were erected in honor. I would have no problem with statues of Confederates as long as there was a big "LOSER" strewn across the pedestal.

#40 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2020-05-28 07:12 AM | Reply

Leave them alone. That way we know where to P.

But, like Lt Aldo Raines, I prefer to have the Swastika carved into their foreheads.

So there is no doubt who they are.

Makes the crazies easier to ID for quicker elimination.

After all....

The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-28 11:01 AM | Reply

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