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Tuesday, May 26, 2020

The woman at the center of the Central Park dog incident caught on camera has been fired, her employer confirmed on Tuesday.

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eek. that was cringe inducing to watch.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-26 04:41 PM | Reply

I was amazed at the calmness that Mr Cooper portrayed during the situation.

Ms Cooper (not related) has been saying that her life has gone downhill since the video was made public.

In actuality, she is viewing it wrong. Her life has gone downhill since she did that egregiously stupid thing to Mr Cooper in Central Park.

More from the cited article...

...Mayor de Blasio weighed in Tuesday morning, calling it "racism, plain and simple."

"She called the police BECAUSE he was a Black man. Even though she was the one breaking the rules. She decided he was the criminal and we know why. This kind of hatred has no place in our city," he tweeted....


[emphasis mine]

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-26 04:53 PM | Reply

She's getting off lucky if all that happens to her is that she gets fired and had to surrender her dog. This woman should be in prison for attempted murder (by cop).

#3 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-05-26 06:12 PM | Reply

Forget where I said lucky...she's getting off white, luck has no part of it.

#4 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-05-26 06:13 PM | Reply

As always, there is more to the story. During the verbal confrontation before he started filming, he was calling her dog to come to him. She said it wouldn't respond to him, at which point he pulled some "doggie treats" out of his pocket and said "if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it". That is why she felt threatened.

Sounds like these two idiots are perfect for each other.

#5 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 06:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I walk my dog several times a day. He's a little guy but he is ALWAYS on a leash out of courtesy to others. It just isn't ok to take your dog off leash in a park where other do not know your dog. Hey, he could be the best dog but how does anyone else know that?
I don't want her to be crucified in the media, nor lose her job or anything like that. Just put a leash on your dog. I honestly hope and pray that this incident does not have horrible consequences in her life.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-26 06:28 PM | Reply

"She called the police BECAUSE he was a Black man."

No, she called the police because she believed he was trying to steal or poison her dog.

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 06:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

BTW, here in Ft. Lauderdale, and I'm sure in other places too, we have dog parks where it is ok to take them off leash but that is not the rule in most parks. You want to do that, as I do sometimes, go to a dog park which me an Joey do once in a while. I always say, he's the biggest little dog in the park, he gets along with the big dogs fine.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-26 06:31 PM | Reply

@#6 ... It just isn't ok to take your dog off leash in a park where other do not know your dog. ...

The part of Central Park she was in requires dogs to be on a leash.

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-26 06:48 PM | Reply

I just don't think one stupid moment should ruin anyone's life. I am an emotional person and I have probably gone off when I shouldn't have. I've been lucky, it was never national news. My vote is to give this lady a break, I don't think she is a racist. I think she was just a frightened woman.
Now I hear she was fired from her job, who does that help?
No, I am tired of moments where some of us react to something that frightens us ruining our lives. Our society needs to become more understanding and less judgemental, especially in the short moment. Probably almost all of us know we have reacted wrongly in some situation that we would be ashamed of. I know I have but I was lucky, it wasn't recorded. We are not perfect, all of us screw up and all of us need to be able to forgive that. I know that because this guy Jesus told me that. If you believe Jesus was our savior then you will remember his words and forgive rather than condemn.
And hey, I'm only a part time believer.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2020-05-26 06:55 PM | Reply

@#5 ... During the verbal confrontation before he started filming, he was calling her dog to come to him. She said it wouldn't respond to him, at which point he pulled some "doggie treats" out of his pocket and said "if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it". That is why she felt threatened. ...

So, according to what she asserted regarding what happened prior to the filming, if she had the dog on a leash, as required in that part of Central Park, the event would not have happened.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-26 06:57 PM | Reply

@#10 ... Now I hear she was fired from her job, who does that help?...

The company, Franklin Templeton, conducted an investigation before they fired her. They said there is no room for racial discrimination in the company.

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-26 06:59 PM | Reply

No, she called the police because she believed he was trying to steal or poison her dog.
#7 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

She's the one breaking the law yet she's calls the police. Tell us again how it is not because be is a black man.

#13 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2020-05-26 07:00 PM | Reply

No, she called the police because she believed he was trying to steal or poison her dog.
#7 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

LOL.
#BelieveWomen
Just LOL.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-26 07:09 PM | Reply

White Woman Is Fired After Calling Police on Black Man in Central Park
www.nytimes.com

...After Ms. Cooper refused to restrain the dog, Mr. Cooper said he planned to offer the dog treats to lure it away and induce her to leash the animal, according to a Facebook post in which he documented his version of their exchange....

Facebook post mentioned above:
m.facebook.com

Central Park this morning: This woman's dog is tearing through the plantings in the Ramble.

ME: Ma'am, dogs in the Ramble have to be on the leash at all times. The sign is right there.
HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It's too dangerous.
ME: Look, if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it.
HER: What's that?
ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!
HER: He won't come to you.
ME: We'll see about that...

I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn't even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.

HER: DON'T YOU TOUCH MY DOG!!!!!

That's when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn......


#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-26 07:11 PM | Reply

No, she called the police because she believed he was trying to steal or poison her dog.

#7 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Except that is not what she told the police. She told them he was threatening her and videoing her while black. She did not mention the dog being in any danger.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-26 07:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

OK, her threat and calling the police specifying the man's race seemed unhinged and racist AF. Seemed like either she was genuinely falling apart or being extremely manipulative.

Also, dude shouldn't be trying to feed other people's dogs without permission. Fact that he walks around carrying dog treats without a dog seems odd, to say the least.

#17 | Posted by censored at 2020-05-26 07:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#17 ... Fact that he walks around carrying dog treats without a dog seems odd, to say the least. ...

He's a avid birdwatcher in the area.

From the NYTimes article I cited in #15...

...Mr. Cooper, 57, a Harvard graduate who works in communications, has long been a prominent birder in the city and is on the board of the New York City Audubon Society, ...

In areas where dogs do not have to be leashed, dog treats can be helpful. I know that from some hikes I've done and run into an unleashed dog.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-26 07:57 PM | Reply

She called police to put the full weight of police on his neck.

#19 | Posted by fresno500 at 2020-05-26 08:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"So, according to what she asserted regarding what happened prior to the filming, if she had the dog on a leash, as required in that part of Central Park, the event would not have happened."

They were both in the wrong.

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 08:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

"ME: We'll see about that...
I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence.

The ellipsis indicates he omitted part of the exchange, as reported in numerous news sources:

www.usatoday.com

"I didn't even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog."

Tyrone was the one acting like a Karen here. If their skin colors had been reversed, he would've been accused of harassing someone for walking their dog while black.

If Karen deserves to lose her job for being an idiot in the park, then so does Tyrone and his sister Beyonce who posted the video on her Twitter account.

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 08:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Tyrone was the one acting like a Karen here. [...] If Karen deserves to lose her job for being an idiot in the park, then so does Tyrone and his sister Beyonce who posted the video on her Twitter account. #21 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 08:39 PM |

His name is Chris and his sister's is Melody. You just shot any credibility you had with your blatantly racist nomenclature, Tyrone Power notwithstanding.

#22 | Posted by censored at 2020-05-26 08:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"His name is Chris and his sister's is Melody."

Her name is Amy. Calling them Tyrone and Beyonce is no more racist than calling her Karen.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 09:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

They were both in the wrong.
#20 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

No, no, no.
It's "There were good people on both sides.
Get it right.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-26 09:06 PM | Reply

This (R)tarded Karen needs to be arrested and jailed for making false statements to the police.
....and then put under psychiatric evaluation.

#25 | Posted by a_monson at 2020-05-26 09:06 PM | Reply

Fact that he walks around carrying dog treats without a dog seems odd, to say the least.
#17 | POSTED BY CENSORED

Not odd considering the attitudes some dog owners have towards black men.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-26 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24, too bad you forgot the closing quotation mark. Now you've messed up the quoting for the rest of this thread.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 09:11 PM | Reply

""needs to be arrested and jailed for making false statements to the police."

What false statements? She believed the man was threatening her and her dog when he said "you're not going to like it".

#28 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 09:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"She believed the man was threatening her and her dog"

Still LOL.
#BelieveWomen strikes again!

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-26 09:29 PM | Reply

I have a friend who lost a dog after she saw one of the neighbors feeding it. She believed it was poisoned. If a ------- neighbor would do that, it's not unreasonable that a stranger stalking you in the park is capable of it too. "You're not going to like it."

#30 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 09:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I have a friend who lost a dog after she saw one of the neighbors feeding it. She believed it was poisoned."

Who cares?

If the man was trying to poison her dog, he should be charged.

He wasn't, and she was wrong to think he was.

What else matters?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-26 09:45 PM | Reply

@#30 ... it's not unreasonable that a stranger stalking you in the park is capable of it too. ...

Stalking?

Wow.

Now it is stalking also?

You just blew your entire stance.

Wanna play again?

#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-26 09:59 PM | Reply

If he was white and she was black, you'd be saying he should have been minding his own damn business. ---- Karen. ---- Tyrone, and his sister Beyonce. They can have a threesome for all I care. In fact, I hope they do. It would keep them I occupied and prevent them from polluting the media with all three of their narcissistic nonsense.

#33 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 10:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

If he was white and she was black, you'd be saying he should have been minding his own damn business.
#33 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I got this one:

"Why do liberals always have to make everything about race?"

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-26 10:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They were both in the wrong.
#20 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You're equating him offering the dog a treat to her telling the police he's trying to kill her?

No way dude. Lots of people carry dog treats because they're scared of dogs being mean to them. This guy is an avid birder and is aware people are letting their dogs off leash in the area.

#35 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-26 10:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#33 ... If ...

Sorry. You need to try a lot harder than to project a hypothetical situation from your prejudices that did not occur.

Secondly, you have no idea what I would say if such a hypothetical situation had really occurred, so please do not try to speak for me.

Thirdly, I refuse to live inside what appears to be your racially-biased mind.

You are just blowing it by posting further.

Wanna play again?

#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2020-05-26 10:46 PM | Reply

"You're equating him offering the dog a treat to her telling the police he's trying to kill her?"

You must have seen a different video if you heard her tell the police he was trying to kill her.

"No way dude. Lots of people carry dog treats because they're scared of dogs being mean to them."

Not once did Mr. Cooper ever claim he was scared of this dog. Why are you bringing up this red herring?

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 10:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

at 18 seconds in she tells him that she is calling the cops and is going go tell them that there is an african american man who is threatening her life.

it's not a red herring. i told you why they do that. i worked for ups and that's a common thing for folks who will see dogs but are wary of them. it's common sense.

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-26 11:07 PM | Reply

Bruce, unless you're suggesting that he pulled the treats out because he was afraid of her dog, then yes it's a red herring. Can you at least agree he was being a busybody?

#39 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 11:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Same reason he's given since the incident:

CHANG: And why do you carry dog treats while you're out birding?

C COOPER: Because when I'm out birding - exactly. Why would I, a non-dog walker, carry dog treats? Because over the years, that has proven the most effective way to get a recalcitrant dog owner to put their dog on the leash because they don't like it when a stranger feeds their dog treats.

www.npr.org

#40 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-26 11:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

An odd twist in this is that the lady surrendered her dog to the shelter where she had gotten it due to some injuries on the dog that were observed on facebook.

#41 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-26 11:33 PM | Reply

BTW, that lady should never be allowed to be a dog owner ever again. The way she is handling the animal is inexcusable. She is dragging the dog around by its collar with the dog's paws not on the ground!

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-26 11:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It wouldn't surprise me if the dog woman has mental health issues. Maybe she'll kill herself. How would the Cooper siblings like to have that on their consciences?

#43 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 11:37 PM | Reply

#42, I believe she was having a panic attack.

#44 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 11:38 PM | Reply

Bruce, unless you're suggesting that he pulled the treats out because he was afraid of her dog, then yes it's a red herring. Can you at least agree he was being a busybody?

#39 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT 2020-05-26 11:25 PM | FLAG:

It's common for people to say that dogs should be leashed in the proper areas. It's common to have treats if you want to pacify strange dogs. These are things that are common sense and don't need to be re-litigated.

#45 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-26 11:43 PM | Reply

#40. Thanks.

#46 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-26 11:43 PM | Reply

It's also common for people to say that dorm students should sleep in the proper areas. It's also common for people to say barbecuers should use charcoal grills in the proper ares. It's also common for people say others they don't recognize should not tailgate them into a secured facility.

Christian Cooper is just like those people.

#47 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 11:50 PM | Reply

#42, I believe she was having a panic attack.
#44 | Posted by sentinel

She should probably get a therapy animal.

#48 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-26 11:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Christian Cooper is just like those people.*

Except instead of calling the cops, he resorted to vigilantism.

#49 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-26 11:52 PM | Reply

It's also common for people to say that dorm students should sleep in the proper areas. It's also common for people to say barbecuers should use charcoal grills in the proper ares. It's also common for people say others they don't recognize should not tailgate them into a secured facility.
Christian Cooper is just like those people.
#47 | Posted by sentinel

And fat people block the aisle at the grocery store and obnoxious teenagers blare music in their cars and people use cell phones in movie theaters.

People should learn common courtesy.

#50 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-26 11:54 PM | Reply

Christian Cooper is just like those people.*
Except instead of calling the cops, he resorted to vigilantism.
#49 | Posted by sentinel

Funny how you bend over backward to excuse the white woman who was acting entitled to criticize the black man for doing something non confrontational to get the woman to act appropriately.

#51 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-26 11:56 PM | Reply

Now you're just being absurd Sentinel. Dorm students can sleep where they like. Have you been on a campus? They nap where they study.

#52 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-27 12:02 AM | Reply

"doing something non confrontational"

If you think initiating a verbal argument, making a statement that could be reasonably be interpreted as threatening, and doing an action which could be perceived as attempting to harm or steal someone's dog is "something non confrontational", I've got news for you...

#53 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 12:08 AM | Reply

I'm curious sentinel, who do you think started this incident?

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 12:10 AM | Reply

People offer dogs treats all the time. At stores there are dog bowls outside and treats behind the desk. Folks always used to want to give my dog something they had. That's not threatening. I understand why this guy thought it would also get folks to leash their pets, since the pet would hang out for more treats.

#55 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-27 12:12 AM | Reply

Not being absurd at all, Bruce. Dorms usually have rules against students sleeping in public spaces, just like parks have rules against walkers letting their dogs run unleashed. Those rules get ignored all the time in both cases, and are often policed by busybodies in both cases.

#56 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 12:13 AM | Reply

"People offer dogs treats all the time."

People offer kids candy all the time. If some dude in the park was offering a kid candy after being aggressive toward the parent and saying "you're not going to like it", then yes, that would come across as threatening.

#57 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 12:17 AM | Reply

You're accusing him of sexual crimes now? Alright. Have a good night.

#58 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-27 12:20 AM | Reply

The man was birdwatching in the area specifically set aside for such an activity that explicitly does not permit dogs to run around unleashed, for the logical reason that dogs will interfere with the birds. There was a dog walk nearby that the woman refused to go to. She felt entitled (and is echoed in Sentinel's posts) to walk her dog where it was not permitted.

So this woman's breach of the rules, which also broke the social contract that her actions should not impact others, if avoidable is an example of simple discourtesy.

So the man, which obviously has experienced this before, took an action that rectifies the situation, give treats to the dog.

How else is it going to be rectified when a recalcitrant individual flouts the rules? The man could have ignored it until he simply could not enjoy his activity. From what I gather people unleashing their dogs there is a common occurrence.

Could he have called the cops? Probably, but is that really a good use of a police officer's time? Would the perpetrator have stuck around for the police? No way.

So how can the man enjoy his hobby, when people ignore the rules?

I'm curious.

#59 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 12:20 AM | Reply

Sentinel, I will ask again, who started this?

#60 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 12:21 AM | Reply

Yeah, that's what I thought.

#61 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 12:25 AM | Reply

"You're accusing him of sexual crimes now?"

That's lame, Bruce. People sometimes kidnap kids for ransom. People sometimes poison kids because they hate the parents. Nothing sexual was implied.

#62 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 12:27 AM | Reply

Ha ha. You win that one.

#63 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2020-05-27 12:38 AM | Reply

The man was birdwatching in the area specifically set aside for such an activity that explicitly does not permit dogs to run around unleashed, for the logical reason that dogs will interfere with the birds. There was a dog walk nearby that the woman refused to go to. She felt entitled (and is echoed in Sentinel's posts) to walk her dog where it was not permitted.

So this woman's breach of the rules, which also broke the social contract that her actions should not impact others, if avoidable is an example of simple discourtesy.

So the man, which obviously has experienced this before, took an action that rectifies the situation, give treats to the dog.

Nail meet head

#64 | Posted by americanunity at 2020-05-27 12:43 AM | Reply

" If some dude in the park was offering a kid candy after being aggressive toward the parent and saying "you're not going to like it", then yes, that would come across as threatening."

Only if the kids were off-leash.

You know...in an area where they were supposed to be leashed. Apples to apples, right?

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2020-05-27 12:50 AM | Reply

You're in over head, Danforth. Don't pretend to pick an argument apart if you clearly can't follow it.

#66 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 12:58 AM | Reply

The lady should not have lost her job or dog over this. She was probably afraid of the threatening tone the man took. She freaked and acted badly. That should not cost her everything she's worked for in life.

The man had a case but he came across as threatening and nosy. He's probably a self important type. His hobby Trumps everybody else's activities. If the lady had been a burly white dude with a pit bull off the leash I guarantee he would not have acted like he did. He would have been all "Excuse me sir".
Seems like a bit of a bully to me.

#67 | Posted by Effeteposer at 2020-05-27 01:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Excuse me while I whip this out...

#68 | Posted by madscientist at 2020-05-27 01:14 AM | Reply

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#69 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 01:28 AM | Reply

"Excuse me while I whip this out..."

You're not allowed to that here. You'd better put that away, or someone's going to take away that thing you whipped out. And you're not going to like it.

#70 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 01:38 AM | Reply

Sentinel is trolling the libs to victory.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 01:44 AM | Reply

Sentinel you are throwing a lot of energy into defending this woman.

Is it your sister?

Is it you?

The simple fact is: she was WRONG having that do there and not on a leash. She doubled down on it by, pardon the pun, dog whistling about her mortal danger. Morevoer, you know who suffered the most in that video? That's right, the dog.

#72 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2020-05-27 01:46 AM | Reply

"Sentinel you are throwing a lot of energy into defending this woman."

His real agenda is to never acknowledge that her actions were born of racism.

It's plain as day.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 01:50 AM | Reply

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed she was mishandling that poor friendly dog while threatening a guy who thankfully kept a level head and kept the camera rolling.

That crazy lady is like a female Patrick Bates cold calculating and murderous.

#74 | Posted by Tor at 2020-05-27 02:42 AM | Reply

"The simple fact is: she was WRONG having that do there and not on a leash."

I've never disagreed with this. I said they were both in the wrong. I haven't excused either of their behavior. I just see tons of people piling on her and defending the male Karen's behavior and escalation of the situation. If she had caused him harm, physical or otherwise, I'd be ripping her a new one. But she's lost her livelihood over this, and he's been celebrated as a poor little victim for standing up to the confused cat lady who was walking her dog. Maybe Karen did get the karma she deserves. Eventually Tyrone and Beyonce will get theirs too. Two wrongs don't make a right.

#75 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 02:44 AM | Reply

youtu.be

#76 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 03:53 AM | Reply

" If she had caused him harm, physical or otherwise, I'd be ripping her a new one."

Oh so merely attempting to SWAT him is fine.
You don't seem to be willing to realize what she did was attempted murder.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 04:09 AM | Reply

I said they were both in the wrong.
#75 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Truth is, you've actually never said what she did wrong.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 04:11 AM | Reply

She was wrong to have her dog off its leash in that area.
She was wrong to use his race as a tactic to try to scare him away and get him to leave her alone.

#79 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 04:29 AM | Reply

She was wrong to call the cops and report being threatened.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 04:56 AM | Reply

"She was wrong to have her dog off its leash in that area."

In that case, he was right to tell her to put her dog on a leash.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 04:57 AM | Reply

" In that case, he was right to tell her to put her dog on a leash."

I have no issue with that. He was wrong to try to freak her out by enticing her dog with unknown food. He was wrong to make a threatening statement that she "was not going to like it". He was wrong to continue to follow her around after he could see she was freaked out by his behavior. He and his sister were wrong to put the video online as "revenge porn" minus the porn.

#82 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 05:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Wow. I just saw a longer version of the video.

She held her dog by the collar, off its feet, for a LONG time as her dog struggled to get its feet on the ground and breathe normally.

Why didn't she just put the leash on her dog? Simple. It was required in that area of Central Park anyway.

She was in the wrong 100%.

#83 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-27 05:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She was holding the leash in the same hand she was holding the dog with the entire time.

#84 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-27 05:32 AM | Reply

So, according to what she asserted regarding what happened prior to the filming, if she had the dog on a leash, as required in that part of Central Park, the event would not have happened.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter

So, now do we get to talk about what blacks "should have done so an "event" should not have happened?

#86 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 08:21 AM | Reply

He attacked her before starting filming. His confession is on facebook.

#87 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-05-27 08:50 AM | Reply

BTW,

Who appointed this man dog leash enforcer? Did he have the power to "unleash" punishment for violators?

#88 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 09:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

1st, why was he threatening her? Who made him dog off leash enforcer? While she was clearly in the wrong, why was he trying to coerce HER dog? In my opinion, these are things you just dont do. When everyone asks who started what, what would have happened if he had just left her alone?

#89 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 09:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

LOL sure thing boaz.

Asking to put your dog on a leash definitely warrants a 911 all.

#90 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 09:40 AM | Reply

He attacked her before starting filming. His confession is on facebook.

#87 | Posted by HeliumRat

Oh? Link?

#91 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 09:40 AM | Reply

#91

www.facebook.com

#92 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 09:43 AM | Reply

Asking to put your dog on a leash definitely warrants a 911 all.

She blew him off. So that angered him. In his own words..

BTW Jeff,

What does "Since you are going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want" mean?

#93 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 09:44 AM | Reply

How does that suggest he attacked her?

Yawn. You're reaching, likely because of your confirmation bias.

#94 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 09:48 AM | Reply

Without reading the thread, i'd like to hazard a guess that Boaz is siding against the black person in this story.

How'd i do?

#95 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-27 09:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nailed it.

#96 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 09:57 AM | Reply

Wow, that was a hard one.

Hey Boaz, what do you think about the black guy in Minneapolis whose neck was knelt on by a white cop until he died? Did he deserve it?

#97 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-27 09:59 AM | Reply

Without reading the thread, i'd like to hazard a guess that Boaz is siding against the black person in this story.

How'd i do?

#95 | Posted by JOE

You like any Democrat Racist would do..Not look at how bad the black guy acted and caused the reaction.

Sure, the woman was wrong letting her do off the leash.

1. Who made the black man "dog leash enforcer"? No one has answered that
2. What does "I'm going to do what I want" mean. No one has answered that.

Seeing how the woman was talked to BEFORE the camera was rolling does help explain WHY she called the police in front of a bigger, stronger black man, who admitted he threatened her in his own words.

#98 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 10:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hey Boaz, what do you think about the black guy in Minneapolis whose neck was knelt on by a white cop until he died? Did he deserve it?

#97 | Posted by JOE

I think the restraint technique was wrong. Now that he as died because of that restraint technique, I think he should be charged in the death, which is what is happening..

anything else?

#99 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 10:02 AM | Reply

#98 My question was already answered; no need to answer it further.

You side against the black guy or black people generally in every single racially charged topic that gets posted on this website, without fail.

Why is that?

#100 | Posted by JOE at 2020-05-27 10:03 AM | Reply

1. Who made the black man "dog leash enforcer"? No one has answered that

Because it's a dumb question.

If you're in a public space it's not wrong to ask people to follow obviously stated rules, especially if their behavior is affecting your use of the space.

#101 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You side against the black guy or black people generally in every single racially charged topic that gets posted on this website, without fail.

Why is that?

#100 | Posted by JOE

Because I see what the black person could have done differently to avoid the situation that they caused.

#102 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 10:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

If you're in a public space it's not wrong to ask people to follow obviously stated rules, especially if their behavior is affecting your use of the space.

If her dog being off the leash bothered him so bad, he needed to call the police or whoever could tell this woman to put her dog on the leash. It wasnt HIM.

#103 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hardly, boaz.

Stop trying to squeeze some semblance of a legitimate criticism out of this because you have to fault the guy and let the chick off.

#104 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 10:16 AM | Reply

BTW,

Let her off of what?

I can see her being scared of a black guy who just said "I'm going to do what I want" and he starts trying to get her dog away from her...

Why are you ignoring that?

#105 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 10:17 AM | Reply

Because I see what the black person could have done differently to avoid the situation that they caused.

#102 | Posted by boaz

You're right. He should have thanked her for the opportunity to use her park. Making sure to keep his hat in his hands and eyes to the ground lest his conduct be taken the wrong way.

GTFOOH.

#106 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 10:18 AM | Reply

Let her off of what?

Her hysterics and entitled attitude.

Her response should have been "sorry, he just needed to run" then leashed the dog.

But it's not surprising you lack basic knowledge of manners and how to be a polite, normal member of society.

#107 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 10:20 AM | Reply

Her hysterics and entitled attitude.

Which was after a bigger, stronger black man made it clear he was going to do something she wouldnt like..

What that ok? Is it ok for us to now start telling our neighbors we are going to do things to them they arent going to like?

Can you explain to me why that isnt a threat?

#108 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 10:40 AM | Reply

You're right. He should have thanked her for the opportunity to use her park. Making sure to keep his hat in his hands and eyes to the ground lest his conduct be taken the wrong way.

No, he should have reminded her that it was a leash only area.

Then when she didnt comply, he should have left her alone or called the police, who we empower to enforce the ordinance..

THAT what should have happened.

Instead, he threatens her with his version of justice and wonders why she gets hysterical..

#109 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 10:41 AM | Reply

JPW,

I'm surprised you cant see why this incident happened. Again, maybe this woman has her views of black people. But her views were only reinforced when this black man threatened her. All he had to do was say "this is a no leash" area. When she ignored him, he needed to leave her alone or call the police, who we empower to enforce ordinances. He wanted to DO something, which was the wrong thing to do here. He aggressively threatened her, then tried to get something that was in her circle from her, the dog. He was wrong in almost everything he did after telling her it was a no leash area. If he had left her alone, we wouldnt be talking about this now. Is she racist, probably. But that isnt a crime. She called the police because someone passively aggressively threatened her and she felt helpless and afraid. She didnt want to do what this man was trying to MAKE her do. And she doesnt have to. The man in this could have de escalated this, but he didnt want to. He wanted to do something..And that's where he was wrong.

#110 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 10:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

She believed the man was threatening her and her dog when he said "you're not going to like it".

She didn't act like a person who believed her life was in danger. She walked up to him to the point he had to ask her to keep social distance and then stayed around him to call the police.

Whenever somebody makes the "white person felt threatened" excuse in a conflict like this, the video always shows a person who felt safe enough around to call cops in earshot of the person they were complaining about. You should open your eyes. Some white people use a claim they felt threatened to get the cops to put somebody else in their place.

This woman was angry at being told to leash her dog by someone who is just a random citizen. When he took out a dog treat knowing it makes leash scofflaws upset, she overreacted with shame and anger and now she's jobless and dogless.

There's a lesson there.

#111 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 11:06 AM | Reply

But her views were only reinforced when this black man threatened her.

You're being ridiculous. Offering a dog a treat without asking the owner for permission is not a threat. It's a breach of etiquette. No rational person would think he was going to poison her dog right in front of her.

She called the police because someone passively aggressively threatened her and she felt helpless and afraid.

Calling the cops with a false report of a crime is not an act of a helpless, afraid person. It's an act of revenge.

#112 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 11:08 AM | Reply

Boaz, this incident happened because the woman had her dog off its leash. That was the initial step in this incident.

See my posts #54 and #59 above for more on that.

I do not blame the guy for attempting to get the woman to put her dog on its leash.

Calling 9/11 on a dog off its leash is simply ridiculous.

#113 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 11:11 AM | Reply

the video always shows

It didnt show what started all this.

This woman was angry at being told to leash her dog by someone who is just a random citizen.

Agreed.

When he took out a dog treat knowing it makes leash scofflaws upset, she overreacted with shame and anger and now she's jobless and dogless.

No. You cannot just bring out he took out a dog treat without saying what he said before taking out the treat. Once she ignored him after he told her about the leash law, he needed to stop hounding her. He then makes a statement that because she wants to ignore the leash law, HE is going to do something SHE isnt going to like, implying HE is about to dispense a consequence for HER actions. Then he starts trying to get something that's in HER circle, something that's HERS, her dog.

He was wrong here RCADE for almost everything he did after telling her it's a no leash area. He needed to disengage and call authorities who are empowered to enforce leash laws. He didnt do that. and THAT is why we are here.

#114 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 11:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Fact that he walks around carrying dog treats without a dog seems odd, to say the least.

Not really. The Ramble had ground vegetation planted to attract birds. Unleashed dogs were frequently tearing all that up despite posted signs to leash them.

#115 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 11:13 AM | Reply

No rational person would think he was going to poison her dog right in front of her.

It wasnt his call to make. He shouldnt have been trying to do something with anything that was HERS. It was confrontational. Why was he engaging the dog anyway? Their interaction wasnt friendly.

And why wont you acknowledge what he had just said to her?

#116 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 11:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Boaz, this incident happened because the woman had her dog off its leash. That was the initial step in this incident.

Agreed.

BUT, the man pushed it further than it needed to be because he felt he wanted consequences RIGHT THEN for what she was doing. That wasnt his place to do that. He needed to call authorities who could give her consequences for what she was doing. It wasnt him.

And he passively aggressively threatened her. That isnt in dispute.

#117 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 11:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

You cannot just bring out he took out a dog treat without saying what he said before taking out the treat.

"You're not going to like it" is vague. It could've meant he was going to call the cops or film her. It was clear once he took out the dog treat that his comment wasn't a threat.

I bet you have made a few comments in a conflict with strangers that were more harsh than what you're slamming this guy for.

You really have to work hard to make the Harvard-educated black birdwatcher sound like a menace, Boaz. FOR CHRIST SAKE HE'S A BIRDWATCHER. DEAR 911 COME QUICK A BIRDWATCHER PULLED OUT A DOG TREAT. I AM AFEARED HE WILL USE IT.

White guys can carry AK-47s in government buildings and you're cool with that being safe, but this guy can't carry a Milkbone.

#118 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 11:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Sounds like these two idiots are perfect for each other.

#5 | POSTED BY SENTINEL AT

She attempted to recruit the cops to murder a guy for her...

#119 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-05-27 11:19 AM | Reply

And he passively aggressively threatened her. That isnt in dispute.

#117 | POSTED BY BOAZ

She attempted to recruit the cops to murder a guy for her...

#120 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-05-27 11:20 AM | Reply

RCADE,

Your inability to put responsibility on this black citizen for his actions hurts the black community more than the KKK ever could.

#121 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She attempted to recruit the cops to murder a guy for her...

Some people would be fine with it if she had just yanked out her gat and wasted him herself.

#122 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-27 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Boaz, the Mr. Individualist-Don't Need No Stinkin' Government, Type A says don't interact with another person. Call the police, because a woman has a dog off it's leash.

#123 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#123 or at least call who can enforce the ordinance.

But, it's obvious the woman was hostile to the man and he was hostile to her. Why would he try to entice HER dog? He obviously didnt have permission to do that.

It's not like they were just meeting. You dont offer a dog treats with someone you are having a dispute with. It looked like he was trying to take her dog..

#124 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 11:26 AM | Reply

Using Boaz's "logic", the woman was using something if HIS-the Ramble and having an unleashed dog is a threat. The man had no way of knowing that the dog was not trained to attack or untrained enough to attack a stranger-that is the primary reason FOR dog leash laws.

#125 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 11:27 AM | Reply

Your inability to put responsibility on this black citizen for his actions hurts the black community more than the KKK ever could.

Your sense of proportionality is as out of whack as this woman's. She could have leashed her dog and walked away. Instead she called 911 on somebody with Scooby snacks.

#126 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 11:28 AM | Reply

It's not like they were just meeting. You dont offer a dog treats with someone you are having a dispute with. It looked like he was trying to take her dog..
#124 | Posted by boaz

You don't unleash your dog in a public space. It looked like she was going to sic her dog on him.

#127 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No rational person would think he was going to poison her dog right in front of her."

Spoken like someone who's lived a life of privilege.

#128 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 11:34 AM | Reply

Which is more likely to happen? The guy poisoning the dog or being bit by the dog?

#129 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 11:35 AM | Reply

The man had no way of knowing that the dog was not trained to attack or untrained enough to attack a stranger-that is the primary reason FOR dog leash laws.

But that wasnt his job to enforce. He needed to call police if he thought it was all that.

#130 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 11:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It looked like she was going to sic her dog on him.

LOL..right..

#131 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 11:36 AM | Reply

"It looked like she was going to sic her dog on him."

You're full of ----. If had in any way felt threatened by her dog, he would have mentioned this in his on his social media post. You're excusing his behavior.

#132 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 11:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It looked like she was going to sic her dog on him."

You're full of ----. If he had in any way felt threatened by her dog, he would have mentioned this in his on his social media post. You're excusing his behavior.

#133 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 11:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Which is more likely to happen? The guy poisoning the dog or being bit by the dog?

Did he have a right to continuously approach this women when she obviously didnt want to be approached by him? Why was he giving a treat to someone's dog who didnt want him approaching?

He says Quote from HIM: "Since you want to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want and you arent going to like it"...

Then he comes for HER dog.

How is this woman supposed to react now? How is she supposed to take this?

Are you people kidding me?

#134 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 11:38 AM | Reply

RCADE,
Your inability to put responsibility on this black citizen for his actions hurts the black community more than the KKK ever could.

#121 | POSTED BY BOAZ

LOL oh man. Are all black "c-c-conservatives" so painfully biased against other black people?

#135 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 11:39 AM | Reply

It looked like she was going to sic her dog on him.
LOL..right..
#131 | Posted by boaz

Yet you come to the conclusion the man was going to poison the dog.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

#136 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 11:39 AM | Reply

Then he comes for HER dog.
How is this woman supposed to react now? How is she supposed to take this?
Are you people kidding me?

#134 | POSTED BY BOAZ

LOL the rich white banking exec pulls at Boaz's heartstrings.

Everybody else? S--- on the bottom of his boot unworthy of consideration.

#137 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 11:40 AM | Reply

"Are you people kidding me?"

I always assume that half the people taking ridiculous positions like the ones we're responding to are dead serious, and the other half are trolls or bots.

#138 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 11:41 AM | Reply

wow, she was strangling that poor dog!!

#139 | Posted by Maverick at 2020-05-27 11:42 AM | Reply

Which is more likely to happen? The guy poisoning the dog or being bit by the dog?
Did he have a right to continuously approach this women when she obviously didnt want to be approached by him? Why was he giving a treat to someone's dog who didnt want him approaching?
He says Quote from HIM: "Since you want to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want and you arent going to like it"...
Then he comes for HER dog.
How is this woman supposed to react now? How is she supposed to take this?
Are you people kidding me?
#134 | Posted by boaz

He didn't continuously approach the woman. SHE APPROACHED HIM. Dragging her dog btw. Which could easily cause the dog to lash out.
Why excuse the woman for having a dog unleashed?
A dog is more of a threat than a poisoned treat.

How was she supposed to react? Put her dog on a leash and walk away.

#140 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 11:43 AM | Reply

"The bitch probably deserved it."

#141 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 11:43 AM | Reply

But that wasnt his job to enforce. He needed to call police if he thought it was all that.
#130 | Posted by boaz

Boaz-a proud member of the nanny state!

#142 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 11:44 AM | Reply

But that wasnt his job to enforce.

The little old ladies in my neighborhood police the leash law all the time. They fear unleashed dogs will knock them over, which for an old person can be a big deal.

Even for a younger person it can cause injuries. A relative was knocked off her bike by an unleashed dog and tore knee ligaments.

#143 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 11:49 AM | Reply

"She didn't act like a person who believed her life was in danger. She walked up to him to the point he had to ask her to keep social distance and then stayed around him to call the police."

And just like that... people forgot about the fight-or-flight response.

#144 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 11:49 AM | Reply

"The little old ladies in my neighborhood police the leash law all the time. They fear unleashed dogs will knock them over, which for an old person can be a big deal."

Oh, so now you're totally cool with busybodies policing others when they're concerned about safety. Funny how totally random you appear to be with that.

#145 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 11:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I was at the store and this black guy with a pomeranian on a leash was in the packing lot when I walked and the wee 'lil beasty charges me, barking. He's trying to apologize and I point at him and shout "Attack! Go for the ankles!"

We both had a good laugh at that.

#146 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2020-05-27 11:55 AM | Reply

He's an African American animal lover...
She's a white racist dog strangler...
And they're both named Cooper!
Can they find romance in the Big Apple? See...
"NOT A CHANCE IN HELL!"
Starring Drew Barrymore. With Jimmy Fallon in blackface.

#147 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2020-05-27 11:55 AM | Reply

Anyone else notice that the rise in the number of racists, like the one in this video, but s directly proportional to the rise in the number of phones with cameras on them?

Odd thing, that..

#148 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-05-27 11:56 AM | Reply

RCADE,

This guy was pissed the lady ignored him. Period. That's all that was. He wasnted the last word. He wanted her to get her comeuppance.

So, he wasnted to give her consequences for ignoring him. That's why all this started.

If he had just left her alone, we wouldnt be here right now.

#149 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 11:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Can they find romance in the Big Apple?"

Probably not with each other, considering that he's a gay misogynist and she's a confused cat lady with a dog.

Scratch that. They're perfect for each other.

#150 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 12:00 PM | Reply

The company she worked for fired her.

The animal shelter where she adopted the dog that she fcck near strangled to death has taken the dog back.

#151 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-05-27 12:00 PM | Reply

And just like that... people forgot about the fight-or-flight response.

There was no fighting. There was no fleeing. She stuck around the scary scary birdwatcher close enough for him to hear her make a false report to police.

There is nothing some people won't say to defend a white person who says they were scared. That's the ultimate "get out of jail free" card. Their judgment can't even be questioned when they break two laws, like this woman did.

#152 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 12:02 PM | Reply

This guy was pissed the lady ignored him. Period.

He was pissed that dogs keep tearing up the vegetation of an area created for ground birds.

The scary scary man is an Audubon Society New York City board member. That makes him care about the issue more than most.

He wanted her to get her comeuppance.

How can you not acknowledge that is what she wanted when she called the cops? Your inability to put responsibility on this white citizen for her actions hurts the white community more than the Panera Bread loyalty club ever could.

#153 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 12:05 PM | Reply

She stuck around the scary scary birdwatcher

Who had just threatened her and made aggressive threats to her. Make sure you put that in there..

#154 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 12:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

There is nothing some people won't say to defend a white person who says they were scared.

And there's nothing liberals wont say to keep the black community in a state of race anger. That's the way to keep votes dont ya know..

#156 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 12:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How can you not acknowledge that is what she wanted when she called the cops?

I think she wanted an aggressive black male, who was bothering her to stop.

#157 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 12:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And there's nothing liberals wont say to keep the black community in a state of race anger.

He had a good reason to be angry. A false police report was made against him emphasizing his race multiple times in the expectation that police would rush to the scene to arrest him (or worse).

#158 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 12:07 PM | Reply

Who had just threatened her and made aggressive threats to her.

We all know what was said and if you think that what he said threatened her, or was aggressive, I'd like to see it.

#159 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 12:09 PM | Reply

Make sure you put that in there..

I'm not putting a lie in there because you are hyperfocused on the black man and ignoring the white woman.

#160 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If this birdwatcher was a little gray-haired old man nobody would be calling his actions a threat worthy of calling the cops.

#161 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 12:10 PM | Reply

If you think that fight or flight response or only about physical fighting or physical fleeing, then you really don't know what it is.

#162 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 12:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Rogers,

I want to you look over this entire thread. This is what happens when people dont argue with personal attacks. Look back over how many people mentioned me in this thread instead of debating with me.

This is how it should be. This is what we are arguing against. Almost every thread you have on ad based pages could be like this.

Make a rule to stop the personal attacks. When someone does it (whether right or left), delete the attack. That would go a long way to improving the atmosphere of your site for all, not just liberals.

#163 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 12:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm not putting a lie in there because you are hyperfocused on the black man and ignoring the white woman.

#160 | Posted by rcade

NO, I'm not ignoring the white woman. Yes, she was wrong for having her dog off the leash.

But HE was wrong as well. He isnt a dog catcher. He isnt a police man. He literally has NO right to enforce anything.

And it isnt a lie. He did threaten her. He did tell her, by his own admission he was going to do something to her she wouldnt like..

Is that the way people should act RCADE?

#164 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 12:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If you think that fight or flight response or only about physical fighting or physical fleeing, then you really don't know what it is.

You're using "fight-or-flight" to defend irrational revenge seeking by a woman who did not remove herself from a situation you claim made her feel threatened.

That's not how it works at all. Fight-or-flight makes you get away from a threat and fight if you can't get away.

#165 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 12:15 PM | Reply

He literally has NO right to enforce anything.

We all have the right to tell someone they are breaking a law, which is what he did.

How do you expect Audubon Society board members to protect an area created for birds if they can't tell people to leash their dogs?

Is that the way people should act RCADE?

What he said to her was less rude than her refusal to leash her dog. You're treating a breach of pet etiquette by him as a major aggression and that's just silly.

#167 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#167

And you are letting him off the hook for being aggressive and threatening her.

#168 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 12:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How do you expect Audubon Society board members to protect an area created for birds if they can't tell people to leash their dogs?

Has this group been given court appointed powers to police people in violations?

And he did TELL her. That's as far as his authority goes. He didnt have a right to do anything else.

#169 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 12:20 PM | Reply

"That's not how it works at all. Fight-or-flight makes you get away from a threat and fight if you can't get away."

Have you ever experienced it in your life? If so, then it sounds like you've never been in a situation where your brain is telling you to do both at the same time.

She WAS fighting him, in a passive aggressive way. Just like he was doing to her before he started recording.

#170 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 12:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Have you ever experienced it in your life?

Yes. It didn't render me immune from criticism. I still was responsible for my decisions like anybody else.

But I'm not stupid, so I remove myself from situations I don't need to be in if they start to become concerning to me.

#171 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 12:30 PM | Reply

Ask yourself who won in this situation.

(The answer is Russia.)

#172 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 12:31 PM | Reply

Sentinel: If you can't respond to my comments without a personal attack, don't respond at all.

#173 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ask yourself who won in this situation.

Birds.

#174 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 12:32 PM | Reply

If you can't respond to my comments without a personal attack, don't respond at all.

#173 | Posted by rcade

Put this in moderation and I'll guarantee 40+ conservatives all over your site..

#175 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 12:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#173 FNW. Wouldn't that be nice? Sadly some posters are not capable of posting any other way.

#178 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2020-05-27 12:45 PM | Reply

Understood.

#179 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 12:48 PM | Reply

My rule of thumb is to avoid making a response a personal attack unless I'm responding to a personal attack. And even then I usually refrain. Otherwise it's just a flamewar.

#180 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 12:51 PM | Reply

Put this in moderation and I'll guarantee 40+ conservatives all over your site..
#175 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Nobody wants you or your imaginary 40+ conservatives here.

It's been a wonderful break from the garbage threads about transgenders you love to post.

It's been a wonderful break from fake news articles some people were posting nonstop in order to protect Trump.

It's been delightful without you trolls.

[...]

Go hangout with the imaginary 40+ conservatives you think you represent.

#185 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-27 01:03 PM | Reply

#180,

Good stuff RCADE. I get tired of flamewars as well..

But look at what Clownshack just posted in #185. Wouldnt you like less of that on your site?

#186 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 01:06 PM | Reply

But look at what Clownshack just posted in #185. Wouldnt you like less of that on your site?

#186 | POSTED BY BOAZ

The truth?

Why would he want less of that?

#187 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-27 01:08 PM | Reply

There's nothing wrong with his comment.

#188 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 01:09 PM | Reply

What was the topic of this thread again? Oh yeah, a woman who felt she was being attacked and others belittling her for it. People bashing her for not having empathy, but seemingly incapable of showing any empathy themselves for the situation she was in.

#189 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 01:11 PM | Reply

A lot of us don't believe she felt she was in danger of being physically attacked.

That's a different discussion than whether the punishment -- loss of job, loss of dog, worldwide scorn -- fits the offense. But I don't see you discussing that either. You're defending her fear.

#190 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 01:16 PM | Reply

You're defending her fear.

Wow! Nice amygdala, Bro!

#191 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 01:19 PM | Reply

I get that a lot people don't believe she felt she was in danger of being attacked. And I'm saying this is displaying a complete lack of empathy, given the information we have about the interaction before the recording began.

#192 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

information we have about the interaction before the recording began.

#192 | POSTED BY SENTINEL A

This wouldn't be "information" that came from a person who tried to get the cops to murder a guy for her,,,,, over nothing, would it?

If so, she's shown her trustworthiness by being a person who was filmed trying to get the cops to murder a guy for her,,,,,, over nothing.

Great source if there ever was one.

#193 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2020-05-27 01:33 PM | Reply

She's stupid.

She lost her job.

She's still stupid.

And now she's probably going to have to move to the suburbs. Maybe even flyover country. Which I hear for Manhattanites is a pretty serious form of banishment.

#194 | Posted by madbomber at 2020-05-27 01:35 PM | Reply

Giving her that empathy means supporting someone who made a false police report that could've gotten a black man arrested and potentially harmed by police.

In a country where white people have often made false reports to police alleging black criminality.

#195 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 01:35 PM | Reply

#193, no, it came from Mr. Cooper's own account of the incident on his Facebook page. As was discussed earlier in this thread.

#196 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 01:37 PM | Reply

It wasnt his call to make. He shouldnt have been trying to do something with anything that was HERS. It was confrontational. Why was he engaging the dog anyway? Their interaction wasnt friendly.

And why wont you acknowledge what he had just said to her?

#116 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Remember personal responsibility? I know it is difficult it has been so long.

Every citizen has a responsibility to uphold the law. Especially if it is a good law. She was violating the leash law which is a good law. It's there to protect people and their animals. Some pet owners are not very responsible. Obviously. Making citizens obey the rules is not always a friendly interaction. Especially if the police get involved.

So as a citizen it was indeed his call to make. The interaction was very friendly considering he was reprimanding her. Are you suggesting that he had no right to reprimand her for violating the rules?

She was lucky he didn't carry mace for pesky unleashed pets like I do instead of treats. Maybe then you might be more justified in saying it was an "unfriendly interaction".

#197 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-27 01:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Giving her that empathy means supporting someone who made a false police report that could've gotten a black man arrested and potentially harmed by police."

You're confusing empathy with sympathy.

#198 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 01:38 PM | Reply

Who had just threatened her and made aggressive threats to her. Make sure you put that in there..

#154 | POSTED BY BOAZ

For being a supposed alpha you have a really pathetically low threshold for what constitutes a threat to you.

Either that or you're insane and are just looking for a fight or a reason to use your gun.

Too bad it wasn't you and your dog, right? You would have reacted "properly", right?

#199 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 01:39 PM | Reply

If you think that fight or flight response or only about physical fighting or physical fleeing, then you really don't know what it is.

#162 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

LOL look at SSentinal trying to be all SScientific.

Apparently you don't know what it is either because one thing it's not is pulling out your phone and calling the police to put on an increasingly melodramatic display of hysterics and faux fear.

#200 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 01:41 PM | Reply

Every citizen has a responsibility to uphold the law.

Every citizen has a responsibility to FOLLOW the law, not to persecute it. He's not a cop. He had no right to give her punishment for whatever it was he perceived her doing.

#201 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 01:42 PM | Reply

She was lucky he didn't carry mace for pesky unleashed pets like I do instead of treats.".

Do you go around enticing unleashed pets to come to closer to you so you can mace them?

#202 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 01:43 PM | Reply

Put this in moderation and I'll guarantee 40+ conservatives all over your site..

#175 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Why? It's rather nice not having fresh piles all over the carpets.

#203 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 01:43 PM | Reply

#199,

You are conscientiously ignoring the fact he threatened her because it doesnt fit your narrative.

He had NO right to do anything to her, other than to say, It's a no leash area. He had no authority beyond that, other than calling the police.

#204 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 01:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's rather nice not having fresh piles all over the carpets.

#203 | Posted by jpw

Or you arent being challenged and having to defend your lunacy. You have obviously lost this thread.

#205 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 01:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Re 200

Or standing there choking her dog while screaming into the phone like she was under attack while all the guy was doing was standing there filming her.

Didn't look like flight or fight. It looked like Brooklyn drama queen hysterics to me.

#206 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-27 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People bashing her for not having empathy, but seemingly incapable of showing any empathy themselves for the situation she was in.

#189 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

I have dogs.

I keep them leashed when we go to parks or on walks.

If I was to take them off the leash because we were alone I would put them back on if people showed up, doubly so if I was asked to.

Funny how you guys are throwing basic manners and politeness out the window for no reason other than making her actions appear as anything other than rude entitled behavior.

#207 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 01:46 PM | Reply

Every citizen has a responsibility to FOLLOW the law, not to persecute it. He's not a cop. He had no right to give her punishment for whatever it was he perceived her doing.

#201 | POSTED BY BOAZ

He was well within his rights. I did not see any punishment. What was the punishment?

And he seemed to be very gentle about his reprimand. Which he had every right to give. And he was very nice about it relatively speaking at least while he was filming.

#208 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-27 01:48 PM | Reply

You are conscientiously ignoring the fact he threatened her because it doesnt fit your narrative.

There wasn't a threat. Period.

Guess you missed the point of my post, Mr. Alpha.

Or you arent being challenged and having to defend your lunacy. You have obviously lost this thread.

#205 | POSTED BY BOAZ

LOL sure thing Alpha Dog.

#209 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 01:48 PM | Reply

#206, what exactly do you think is the One True Way that fight or flight looks like? You don't really believe that only involves physical fighting or physical fleeing, do you?

Nah, didn't think so. You're being disingenuous.

#210 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 01:48 PM | Reply

Boaz.

When I see you without a mask and I tell you to wear a mask are you going to call 9/11 or shoot me?

I have a right to tell you to obey the law.

#211 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-27 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I did not see any punishment. What was the punishment?

You people really want to ignore what he said before the camera rolled, dont you?

#212 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 01:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

When I see you without a mask and I tell you to wear a mask are you going to call 9/11 or shoot me?

When I tell you no, and then you say, "Well, if you are going to do what you want to do, I'm going to do what I want to do, and you ARENT going to like it",

Yes, you may get shot...

#213 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 01:51 PM | Reply

I have a right to tell you to obey the law.

And if I ignore you, you nothing after that. You cant detain me, you cant arrest me.

He had no right to continue to be in that woman's face.

#214 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 01:52 PM | Reply

in her face?

You did watch the video, right?

#215 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 01:53 PM | Reply

"When I see you without a mask and I tell you to wear a mask"

If you want your analogy to be at least somewhat valid, then you should say "When I see your kid without a mask and I tell you to put one on it, and then when you refuse I try to entice your kid away from you..."

#216 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#206, what exactly do you think is the One True Way that fight or flight looks like?

I would say that it at least involves fighting or flighting. Neither of which I saw.

Shouldn't it involve at least one of those actions? I did see her choke her own dog.

Maybe that is her fight or flight reaction? Was she choking the dog so he would attack him?

Yeah. I bet that's it. Her heart was racing so all she could do was call 911 choke her dog and scream like she was being physically attacked.

Classic flight or flight. One for the text books I am sure.

#217 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-27 01:57 PM | Reply

Doh -

#218 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-27 01:57 PM | Reply

in her face?

Engaging her. Continuing to talk to her and being aggressive with her. She already basically told him to go ---- himself and she wasnt putting her dog on the leash. It's not his job to police that.

#219 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 01:58 PM | Reply

Boaz arguing for the nanny state is too ------- funny.

In another context he would be arguing the guy should have shot the dog.

#220 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 02:03 PM | Reply

And again, an unleashed dog IS a threat. No ifs ands or buts involved.

#221 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 02:04 PM | Reply

If you want your analogy to be at least somewhat valid, then you should say "When I see your kid without a mask and I tell you to put one on it, and then when you refuse I try to entice your kid away from you..."

#216 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Nice!

Except that's not a good analogy either.

He tricked her into leashing the dog. So in the case of the mask maybe he could cough on the kid? No that wouldn't apply either because that could be a felony if he was contagious.

No the point is he told her to obey the law. And then tricked her into it.

I don't know how he could trick her into masking the kid except by bribing with candy. Is enticing a kid wear a mask for candy illegal? Don't know don't care. It's a rabbit hole. The point being citizens certainly have the right to reprimand other citizens. And citizens have the right to call 9/11 to settle disputes. And he had the right to film her and post it for all the world to see.

#222 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-27 02:05 PM | Reply

He literally has NO right to enforce anything.

Tell that to all the gun-toting militiamen.

#223 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 02:06 PM | Reply

She already basically told him to go ---- himself and she wasnt putting her dog on the leash. It's not his job to police that.

#219 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Then why didn't she just leave? Oh she couldn't. Her dog wasn't on a leash as required by law.

So what that it's not his "job"? Do YOU have to be paid to do the right thing? It's not your job to say what his "job" his. He was well within his rights. His "job" is to be a responsible citizen.

I thought he did a great "job" of that.

#224 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-27 02:10 PM | Reply

He had no authority beyond that, other than calling the police.
#204 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 01:44 PM

www.cga.ct.gov

EW YORK LAW
New York also has a statute on the use of physical force in making an arrest or preventing an escape (N.Y. Penal Law 35.30). It authorizes a private person to use physical, but not deadly, force to effect an arrest or prevent an escape of someone "he reasonably believes to have committed an offense and who in fact has committed such offense." Another statute governs the authority of a private person to make an arrest (N.Y. Crim. Proc. Law 140.30). It authorizes a private person to make an arrest for a felony when the person "has in fact committed such felony" and for any other offense when the person "has in fact committed such offense in his presence."

OOOOPS

#225 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 02:11 PM | Reply

"Engaging her. Continuing to talk to her and being aggressive with her."

You mean he was continuing to Stand His Ground?

#226 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-27 02:12 PM | Reply

"Maybe that is her fight or flight reaction? Was she choking the dog so he would attack him?"

Her first fight reaction was when she walked toward the perceived threat, mirroring what he was doing to her. When that didn't work, she fought him using a passive aggressive tactic to try to scare him into complying into what she wanted him to do, just like he did to her earlier. And she fought dirty.

#227 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 02:15 PM | Reply

What does "Since you are going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want" mean?
#93 | POSTED BY BOAZ

It's pretty vague.
Are you saying it's okay to pencil in "Well, he's a black man, and I'm a white woman, therefore he's going to rape me."
Is that what you're telling us, Boaz?

#228 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 02:30 PM | Reply

Nah, didn't think so. You're being disingenuous.

#210 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

It's the heightened state of awareness induced by the sudden release of neuromodulatory hormones (ie adrenalin).

It's not typically associated with whipping out your phone and calling the cops because it's tapping into a far deeper (evolution wise) mindset.

No, it's not disingenuous to think that.

#229 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 02:30 PM | Reply

Yes, you may get shot...

#213 | POSTED BY BOAZ

And you'll end up in jail...

#230 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 02:31 PM | Reply

Because I see what the black person could have done differently to avoid the situation that they caused.
#102 | POSTED BY BOAZ

The situation of a white woman losing her job?
Her actions is why her employer decided she had to go. Not his.

The racist part is where you don't even bother to think about what the white person could have done differently.
And underscored when you say the black man "caused" this to happen to the white woman.

#231 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can see her being scared of a black guy who just said "I'm going to do what I want" and he starts trying to get her dog away from her...
Why are you ignoring that?
#105 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Yeah, so?
Surely, as a black man, you can understand being afraid of an unleashed dog.
And surely you can see a pattern of non-compliance by the dog owner, who refuses to obey the law requiring her to keep her dog on a leash.
If she's going to flout that law, what other crimes will she commit with no remorse whatsoever?

#232 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 02:37 PM | Reply

Can you explain to me why that isnt a threat?
#108 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Very easily.
Tell us what is being threatened.

#233 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 02:39 PM | Reply

#232- filing a false police report might be another one...

#234 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 02:40 PM | Reply

Why would he try to entice HER dog? He obviously didnt have permission to do that.
#124 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Why not?
The dog isn't on a leash.
I see a dog not on a leash, I'm not allowed to interact with it?

#235 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 02:41 PM | Reply

#233- her sense of entitlement? Her ability to ignore those pesky laws that apply to "others" not her?

#236 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 02:41 PM | Reply

Oh man.
Snoof's on fire!

#237 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 02:42 PM | Reply

"It's not typically associated with whipping out your phone and calling the cops because it's tapping into a far deeper (evolution wise) mindset."

So you don't think she was "fighting" him when she was trying to scare him away? Seriously?

#238 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 02:44 PM | Reply

He had NO right to do anything to her, other than to say, It's a no leash area. He had no authority beyond that, other than calling the police.
#204 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Dude.
He DIDN'T do anything to her, other than to say, this is a leash area. He exerted no authority beyond that.

#239 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 02:46 PM | Reply

We told you before Snoofy, just because you see a dog unleashed it doesn't imply consent.

#240 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 02:47 PM | Reply

Don't get me wrong - I think this whole thing escalated out of control. I hate to see her lose her job. I hate to see her lose her dog. I understand how the blood can get pumping and you just don't think things through. I find this entire incident unnecessary and filled with overreaction.

But seriously, all she had to do was put her dog back on leash as was required by law. All she had to do was choose to obey the law and respect others.

#241 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 02:48 PM | Reply

Didn't look like flight or fight. It looked like Brooklyn drama queen hysterics to me.
#206 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

She thought the cops would take the white woman's side over the black man's side.
She was trying to call in backup to neutralize a threat, the same way Boaz would call in an airstrike.

#242 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 02:52 PM | Reply

You cant detain me, you cant arrest me. He had no right to continue to be in that woman's face.

He didn't try to detain her.

He didn't try to arrest her.

He didn't get in her face.

He took out a dog treat, knowing that it makes owners of unleashed dogs leash their dog. That is how he protects the bird-watching area.

Telling people they are breaking the law is always likely to become a confrontation. We live in an age of childishly entitled people who think laws and rules are for other people.

She was acting like the people at stores who intentionally break rules against wearing masks and then blow up when an employee tells them to put one on.

#243 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 02:53 PM | Reply

We get it Snoofy. You hate women. Just like the "bird watcher".

#244 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 02:54 PM | Reply

If you let your dog go unleashed, it's going to go up to people whether they have a treat or not. You can't complain about people interacting with your pet when you've done nothing to stop that from happening.

#245 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 02:54 PM | Reply

He says Quote from HIM: "Since you want to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want and you arent going to like it"...
Then he comes for HER dog.
#134 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Complete nonsense.
He never came for her dog.
She brought the dog to him.
His first words on the video are "Please don't come close to me."

#246 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 02:55 PM | Reply

We get it Snoofy. You hate women. Just like the "bird watcher".

The bird watcher hates women? Jesus Christ on a pogo stick.

#247 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 02:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"He never came for her dog."

TMI, dude.

#248 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 02:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The bird watcher hates women? Jesus Christ on a pogo stick.
#247 | POSTED BY RCADE

"Sentinel you are throwing a lot of energy into defending this woman."
His real agenda is to never acknowledge that her actions were born of racism.
It's plain as day.
#73 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#249 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 03:00 PM | Reply

Now you're just doing a Hans impression, Karen.

#250 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 03:06 PM | Reply

"You can't complain about people interacting with your pet when you've done nothing to stop that from happening."

Under ANY circumstance? Nonsense.

#251 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 03:11 PM | Reply

One thing we've learned in this thread:
Sentinel's rehabilitation effort isn't limited to Swastikas.
It also extends to racist white women who flip out when asked to comply with the law by a scary black man.

#252 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 03:15 PM | Reply

As a dog owner, who has spent countless hours training my dog, both alone and in classes, I feel pretty confident walking my dog without a leash. My neighborhood is very quite, very few cars driving in the street. My neighbors all know my dog. He's friends with my neighbors and their dogs. I've been living in this neighborhood for just about eight years.

If someone on the streets asked me to put my dog on his leash. I would. I carry his leash with me regardless. Never know when it may be needed.

It's not a big deal. This lady made it one. Calling the cops on him was beyond ridiculous. What was she afraid of? A man talking to her? A black man talking to her? The fact she was being called out for breaking the rules and being irresponsible?

Should she have lost her job for it and be treated like a pariah? I wouldn't go that far.

She should have received a fine for walking her dog off the leash.

That's what the appropriate punishment is.

#253 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-27 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What was she afraid of? A man talking to her? A black man talking to her? The fact she was being called out for breaking the rules and being irresponsible?"

You're just trolling now.

#254 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 03:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You're just trolling now.

Do you feel trolled? Or is it you can't answerthe question?

By the way, here's some fun reading about Chris Cooper, the man who taped the encounter:

[Chris Cooper], whose viral video of a white woman calling the cops on him has sparked national outrage, is also a pivotal figure in the history of ----- representation in comics. A former editor at Marvel Comics, Christian Cooper helped give life to Yoshi Mishima, the first openly homosexual character in the Star Trek universe, PinkNews reports.

www.them.us

A Black man threatened by white woman Amy Cooper in Central Park happens to be a former Marvel Comics editor, who explored the issue of discrimination by introducing the first gay male character in a Star Trek comic.

www.pinknews.co.uk


The guy seems like a genuinely good human being.

His only crime is being black in Trump's America.

#255 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-27 03:42 PM | Reply

#246,

Still ignoring his threat I see..

#256 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 03:42 PM | Reply

The guy seems like a genuinely good human being.

"Since you want to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want and you arent going to like it"...

Yea, he seems like a swell guy..

#257 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 03:44 PM | Reply

Of course Boaz hates this guy.

He's a successful Black man, who happens to be homosexual, and has done more with his life than Boaz ever will.

Boaz is a hater, and haters gonna hate.

#258 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-27 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Since you want to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want and you arent going to like it"...
Yea, he seems like a swell guy..
#257 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Boaz, I know "context" is a foreign word for you.

But.

When Chris Cooper said, "I'm going to do what I want and you aren't going to like it", he meant film her with his camera.

Not, beat her up, rape her and rob her.

#259 | Posted by ClownShack at 2020-05-27 03:48 PM | Reply

When Chris Cooper said, "I'm going to do what I want and you aren't going to like it", he meant film her with his camera.

No, he was invading her space, meaning taking her property, her dog.

She didnt ask him to give a treat. He didnt ask to give the dog a treat, which is customary in those situations. He was just going to do something to her dog because he felt he could.

#260 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Giving a dog a treat without the permission of the owner is not a crime.

#261 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 03:59 PM | Reply

"When Chris Cooper said, "I'm going to do what I want and you aren't going to like it"

He was clearly talking about how he was going get dog kid to come to him.

#262 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 03:59 PM | Reply

"When Chris Cooper said, "I'm going to do what I want and you aren't going to like it"

He was clearly talking about how he was going get her dog/kid to come to him. It was not about him filming her, which he didn't start doing until after he frightened her and freaked her out.

#263 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If I cared about a park area unleashed dogs had been ruining and it was against the law to leave them unleashed, I could see using the same tactic of offering dogs a treat to make their owners leash them.

It's a great tactic. It isn't illegal but it makes the inconsiderate dog owner deal with the discomfort of having their dog lured to a stranger. Which is less discomfort than unleashed dogs often cause strangers.

#264 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He was just going to do something to her dog because he felt he could."

As he explained, those are the rules she chose to play by, when she didn't leash her dog.

If she doesn't have to play by the rules, why should he?

Go on, tell us why.

#265 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 04:06 PM | Reply

No, he was invading her space, meaning taking her property, her dog.

You can give a dog a treat without taking it or having any intention to take it.

#266 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 04:07 PM | Reply

You can give a dog a treat without taking it or having any intention to take it.

Do you really think the dogs owner wanted him to give a treat?

#267 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 04:11 PM | Reply

Do you really think the dogs owner wanted him to give a treat?

100%.

Christian Cooper: I pulled out a bag of treats that I carry - dog treats.

NPR: And why do you carry dog treats while you're out birding?

Christian Cooper: Because when I'm out birding - exactly. Why would I, a non-dog walker, carry dog treats? Because over the years, that has proven the most effective way to get a recalcitrant dog owner to put their dog on the leash because they don't like it when a stranger feeds their dog treats.

www.npr.org

#268 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 04:16 PM | Reply

Do you really think the dogs owner wanted him to give a treat?
#267 | POSTED BY BOAZ

If you don't want strangers giving your dog treats in public, then you should keep your dog on a leash.

By not keeping her dog on a leash, she necessarily was okay with any interactions her dog has with the public. It could run off, bite someone, get run over, or get treats from strangers. She made that choice.

You fools once called yourselves the Party of Personal Responsibility.

#269 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 04:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes

#270 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 04:21 PM | Reply

Then he's an idiot. He was basically inviting turmoil and confrontation. He's an ------- that's inserting himself into situations.

#271 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 04:21 PM | Reply

#268, I think you misread the question...

#272 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 04:21 PM | Reply

#271, he's a Karen.

#273 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 04:22 PM | Reply

HER: The dog runs are closed. He needs his exercise.
ME: All you have to do is take him to the other side of the drive, outside the Ramble, and you can let him run off leash all you want.
HER: It's too dangerous.

hmmmmm, I wonder why she felt the other area was dangerous? Perhaps because of unleashed dogs running around?

#274 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 04:24 PM | Reply

Then he's an idiot. He was basically inviting turmoil and confrontation. He's an ------- that's inserting himself into situations.
#271 | POSTED BY BOAZ

He's a bird watcher in a designated bird watching area, which is why dogs have to be leashed.

She inserted her rule-breaking privilege into his situation.

#275 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BTW, that lady should never be allowed to be a dog owner ever again. The way she is handling the animal is inexcusable. She is dragging the dog around by its collar with the dog's paws not on the ground!

#42 | Posted by truthhurts

For a long time. She had the leash in the same hand and could have simply leashed the poor dog, walked away, and gone to another area. She's an a***ole.

#276 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-27 04:26 PM | Reply

Then he's an idiot. He was basically inviting turmoil and confrontation. He's an ------- that's inserting himself into situations.
#271 | Posted by boaz a

He should allow an entitled ------- to destroy his hobby?

#277 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 04:26 PM | Reply

"hmmmmm, I wonder why she felt the other area was dangerous?"

Too many white males, maybe.

#278 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 04:26 PM | Reply

For a long time. She had the leash in the same hand and could have simply leashed the poor dog, walked away, and gone to another area. She's an a***ole.
#276 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

PLEASE! She's entitled too!

#279 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 04:27 PM | Reply

I think I noticed something:

Trump doesn't have a dog. It's one of his most glaring personality defects.

I am pretty sure this woman's champions don't have dogs either.

Or they'd understand to leash then.

#280 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 04:28 PM | Reply

Wouldn't it be ironic if the dog was named Karen?

#281 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 04:30 PM | Reply

He was basically inviting turmoil and confrontation.

Telling a person they are breaking the law is always a confrontation. People think they can do whatever they want regardless of the rules, which is what you're defending.

#282 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 04:32 PM | Reply

Watching boaz flail about it hilarious.

#283 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 04:33 PM | Reply

It's simple, they were both wrong.

280+ posts to reach this simple conclusion?

Wow.

#284 | Posted by leftcoastlawyer at 2020-05-27 04:37 PM | Reply

"It's simple, they were both wrong."

Very nuanced. Perhaps too subtle for people to see you're equivocating.

#285 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 04:40 PM | Reply

www.msn.com

New York City's Commission on Human Rights launched an investigation Wednesday into the incident involving a woman who called police after encountering a black man while walking her dog in Central Park.

Jesus Christ, this is way too much. For ----- sake the woman did something stupid and apparently apologized. She lost her job, her dog and now is under investigation. -------------------!

I guess I should be glad that all of the important matters in the world have been addressed so we can worry about trivialities like this.

#286 | Posted by truthhurts at 2020-05-27 04:56 PM | Reply

"She lost her job, her dog and now is under investigation. -------------------!"

She tried to have a man killed.

#287 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 04:57 PM | Reply

What he talks like:

"It's a little bit of a frenzy, and I am uncomfortable with that. If our goal is to change the underlying factors, I am not sure that this young woman having her life completely torn apart serves that goal."

What he looks like:

static01.nyt.com

People Who Aren't Menacing for $500, Alex.

#288 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 04:58 PM | Reply

It's simple, they were both wrong.

When one of them made a false police report and the other offered a dog a treat without permission, they aren't anywhere close to the same level of wrong and treating them equally is misleading. It's like faulting Ahmaud Arbery for trespassing at an unfinished house when the other side hunted him down, ambushed him and killed him.

#289 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 05:00 PM | Reply

People think they can do whatever they want regardless of the rules, which is what you're defending.

No, I'm not. Stop putting words in my mouth so you dont have to defend your stance. I've said MANY times, the woman was WRONG first.

When one of them made a false police report and the other offered a dog a treat without permission, they aren't anywhere close to the same level of wrong.

Rogers, this guy THREATENED the woman. Period. That's not in dispute by normal people looking at this. Why you wont admit it boggles the mind.

Because of what he said, she got hysterical. Any small woman would be concerned. You need to stop with the "He did nothing wrong" when it's clear he did.

#290 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 05:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Rogers, this guy THREATENED the woman"

Yeah. About that:

Can you explain to me why that isnt a threat?
#108 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Very easily.
Tell us what is being threatened.
#233 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#291 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 05:07 PM | Reply

This thread has turned into an endless loop.

#292 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-27 05:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Then he's an idiot. He was basically inviting turmoil and confrontation. He's an ------- that's inserting himself into situations.

#271 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2020-05-27 04:21 PM | REPLY | FLAG"

He is not an idiot. He is a dedicated bird watcher and he was in an area designed to attract birds and to allow him and others to enjoy birdwatching.

After 270+posts it still does not seem to have occurred to you that his motivation was not to arbitrarily seek to enforce a law because he is a busy body, but rather to seek to enforce the law because it protects the birds he watches. He wanted the dog to stop running wild and causing damage. Simply asking the woman and then walking away when she did not immediately leash the dog would not have protected the plants and birds.

Clearly this was a situation he had faced before and his solution was to offer the dog a treat, knowing that the owner would control the dog rather than allow it to take the offering. It worked. If this man was " ... inviting turmoil and confrontation" he was doing so in defense of something he cares about and feels is important. I'm surprised you of all posters advocate simply walking away under these circumstances.

#293 | Posted by Foreigner at 2020-05-27 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Rogers, this guy THREATENED the woman. Period. That's not in dispute by normal people looking at this.

--------. He didn't threaten her and there's nothing normal about your overreaction.

#294 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 05:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rogers has the patience of Job to let someone who sh** on him continue to spout nonsense here.

#295 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-27 05:29 PM | Reply

Surely somewhere in this thread Trump will be blamed?

#296 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2020-05-27 05:35 PM | Reply

Assault with a milk-bone is a felony offense.... even brandishing a milk-bone is jail time.

What's wrong with you people!

#297 | Posted by Corky at 2020-05-27 05:38 PM | Reply

"He didn't threaten her"

She didn't threaten him either, technically. Yet they both felt threatened by each other's actions. Imagine that.

#298 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 05:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Posted by boaz

Jesus wept.

Your completely sick, demented attitude toward this man is disgusting.

And STOP lying about the encounter.

He DID NOT threaten her and he was in no way, shape, form, or fashion being aggressive toward this woman.

YOU need to see a doctor.

#299 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-27 06:08 PM | Reply

I'm not really interested in this thread.

Pretty dumb...girl has issues....saw the article elsewhere.

But...I was wondering just how many times I'd find the word "Trump".

6.

#300 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-27 06:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#296 | Posted by Greatamerican

Oh, STFU, bonehead.

#301 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-27 06:09 PM | Reply

Get caught breaking the law.
Get told you are breaking the law.
Get told how to comply with the law.
Refuse to comply with the law.
Dog gets offered a treat.
Grab and choke dog.
Call cops as a threat.
Falsely claim being attacked.
Get filmed.
Lose dog.
Lose job.

Ha ha.

#302 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-27 06:16 PM | Reply

Vladimir Putin is laughing somewhere. We're now conflating some liberal woman who who got into a bitch fight with a creeper in the park who was harassing her with rednecks in Georgia who literally hunted a black man.

#303 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 06:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yet they both felt threatened by each other's actions. Imagine that.

Stop trying for false equivalence.

He didn't say anything about feeling threatened until she made a false police report to cops that mentioned his race multiple times.

#304 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 06:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So you're acknowledging that she felt threatened by him first.

#305 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 06:32 PM | Reply

Danni,

"Now I hear she was fired from her job, who does that help?"

I'm sure you know the routine.

This employer will be harassed and posted on Facebook and doxed and threatened with boycotts and their customers will be frightened away.

Would have been nice if the guy hadn't posted it.

#306 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-27 06:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Would have been nice if the guy hadn't posted it."

It could come back to haunt him. And his sister. And the people who outed the confused cat lady.

#307 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 06:45 PM | Reply

#307 You will be sorry for revealing my crimes.

Is this a Republican ethos?

Snitches get stitches

How about putting the rule breaker in a cage for a few months to send a message to other scofflaws.

#308 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-27 06:58 PM | Reply

Maybe if we euthanized all mentally ill people, these sort of problems would never happen again. Sounds reasonable, no?

#309 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 07:03 PM | Reply

Trump puts kids in cages because they broke a rule.

#310 | Posted by bored at 2020-05-27 07:15 PM | Reply

In central park?

#311 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 07:26 PM | Reply

So you're acknowledging that she felt threatened by him first.

No.

#312 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 07:33 PM | Reply

Would have been nice if the guy hadn't posted it.

Would have been nice if she did nothing on video so offensive to thousands of people that it went viral.

#313 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 07:35 PM | Reply

I cant believe you people are washing over his threatening her. So I guess it's ok to threaten people now, as long as you use a passive voice.

I'm done with this thread.

#314 | Posted by boaz at 2020-05-27 07:48 PM | Reply

There a tons of articles written by women telling men that their mere presence in places, especially when they are alone is enough to make some of them almost start to have a panic attack. I don't get why Rcade and others are so quick to dismiss that a larger male saying "I'm going to do what I want and you're not going to like it" could be enough to make her think she might be in danger.

She wasn't, and I tend to read those articles thinking the women are overreacting, but who's to tell a large part of a gender their feelings are invalid?

This woman was wrong in this situation, but he did nothing but help the situation stay on an escalating path.

But what he said could never be taken as threatening, according to our in house experts on how women perceive the world Rcade, Snoofy, and gang.

#315 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-27 08:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

an example to go along with #315

#316 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-27 08:43 PM | Reply

Already covered.

Hard to feel she was threatened when she's the one rapidly approaching him - twice - demanding he stop recording her, ignoring his request to not approach, and then her threatening him with a story she's going to feed the police. Then she calls the police and while strangling her dog. Swinging her dog around by the collar, front feet off the ground.

After watching this again I'm glad the dog is no longer with her.

Watching this and knowing what was said before hand, after reading all the posts? She comes out looking far, far worse than when I originally read the story.

#317 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 08:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Rcade,

"Would have been nice if she did nothing on video so offensive to thousands of people that it went viral."

And he just had to post it?

What did he get out of it?

After he finds himself ridiculed for ruining this woman's life, he'll regret it.

She overreacted...but then so did he.

She didn't deserve for her life to be totally destroyed.

The Bible says you will be judged by the way you judge others.

Interesting...I don't just think that applies to God or the afterlife.

That's the way things tend to work with humans.

Be careful judging others because you will be held to the same standards.

#318 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-27 09:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

She sounds like a special needs person, to put it nicely. And you sound like the type of person who says it's "hard to feel" she felt she was threatened because she was spazzing out while someone else was harassing her.

#319 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 09:18 PM | Reply

319 was in response to 317

#320 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 09:18 PM | Reply

#319 - Based on the job as a Asset Portfolio Manager for Franklin Templeton Investments I'm betting against that proposition, Sentinel...

She was manipulative in the video. She knew exactly what she was doing.

#321 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 09:28 PM | Reply

If special needs people can be President, they can also work in banks.

#322 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-27 09:34 PM | Reply

#322 - OK, that was funny.

She was actually a VP, so that's even closer.
(I understated her role at Franklin-Templeton Investments)

#323 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 09:37 PM | Reply

BTW - VP & Head of Investment Solutions at Franklin Templeton in New York.

#324 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-27 09:38 PM | Reply

I cant believe you people are washing over his threatening her. So I guess it's ok to threaten people now, as long as you use a passive voice.
I'm done with this thread.
#314 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I accept your surrender, Boaz.

#325 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 09:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#318 | Posted by BillJohnson

Pure, unadulterated stupid.

Her -------- could've gotten the man killed.

And how, exactly, did he overact?

By offering the dog a treat?

Your stupidity borders on disgusting.

#326 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-27 09:53 PM | Reply

BTW - VP & Head of Investment Solutions at Franklin Templeton in New York.
#324 | POSTED BY YAV

Oh no, how are Deplorables making more on unemployment than when they were working going to manage their money now?

#327 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 09:54 PM | Reply

Your stupidity borders on disgusting.
#326 | POSTED BYANGRYDAD

No, he's well over the border.

BillJohnson claims he's gay, yet he's only had sex with the same woman for several decades.

He's the gay Rachel Dolezal.

And so pathetically thin skinned about it too. A world class pouter.

#328 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 09:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I'm done with this thread."

It'd be nice if you'd just be done with this site.

Your appalling stupidity infects everyone.

#329 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-27 09:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#328 | Posted by snoofy

Funny and newsworthy!

A Drudge Twofer!

#330 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-27 10:00 PM | Reply

"She didn't deserve for her life to be totally destroyed."

You should let Franklin Templeton know they were wrong to fire their racist VP just because it makes Franklin Templeton look bad to people who aren't Deplorables.

Because us normal people don't care.

F--- your feelings. It's what you voted for, BillJohnson.

#331 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 10:02 PM | Reply

Be careful judging others because you will be held to the same standards.

I am 100% comfortable with being judged by the same standards of personal conduct I've judged others by. I don't see how anyone can take the high ground on anything without considering whether they've lived up to that ideal.

#332 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 10:57 PM | Reply

BillJohnson claims he's gay, yet he's only had sex with the same woman for several decades.

I don't think you should criticize him for that. There's a wide variety in how people of each sexual orientation pursue happiness.

#333 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-27 11:01 PM | Reply

"There's a wide variety in how people of each sexual orientation pursue happiness."

Claiming you're gay while only having sex with women, and calling gays who have sex with men sinners for giving into their naughty impulses?

You've taken "Wide Stance" to a whole new level, RCade.

#334 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-27 11:09 PM | Reply

I cant believe you people are washing over his threatening her. So I guess it's ok to threaten people now, as long as you use a passive voice.
I'm done with this thread.

#314 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I can't believe that you're such a giant manbaby you think she was threatened.

#335 | Posted by jpw at 2020-05-27 11:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can't believe that you're such a giant manbaby you think she was threatened.

Well he thought the bump stock AR in Vegas was a crew served MG so you have to take his "expert" opinion with a grain of salt.

#336 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-28 12:34 AM | Reply

Okay, I'm not reading through this whole thread and watching the imbeciles trying to defend the indefensible racist animal-abusing woman...

That said...

Every citizen has a responsibility to FOLLOW the law, not to persecute it. He's not a cop.

The term "citizen's arrest" seems completely foreign to some.

#337 | Posted by RevDarko at 2020-05-28 06:49 AM | Reply

"I can't believe that you're such a giant manbaby you think she was threatened."

We can't believe that you're such a misogynist ----- that you think a woman in that situation couldn't possibly have felt threatened. Oh wait, yes we can.

#338 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 07:25 AM | Reply

We can't believe that you're such a misogynist ----- that you think a woman in that situation couldn't possibly have felt threatened.

While visibly abusing her dog, she approaches Mr. Cooper in a clearly aggressive manner. The idea that she felt threatened does not line up with the evidence.

#339 | Posted by RevDarko at 2020-05-28 07:35 AM | Reply

Boaz is so far "out there" that I don't believe he is a real person. I believe that he is a persona meant to troll liberals/progressives.

#340 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2020-05-28 07:44 AM | Reply

"While visibly abusing her dog, she approaches Mr. Cooper in a clearly aggressive manner. The idea that she felt threatened does not line up with the evidence."

It's clear you don't have much experience with women. If you did, you'd understand this behavior is not inconsistent with her feeling threatened.

#341 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 08:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's clear you don't have much experience with women. If you did, you'd understand this behavior is not inconsistent with her feeling threatened.

It is a shame you can't hear how hard I'm laughing at you right now.

#342 | Posted by RevDarko at 2020-05-28 08:33 AM | Reply

"It is a shame you can't hear how hard I'm laughing at you right now."

Laughing is good for you. I've just extended your lifespan. You're welcome.

#343 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 08:54 AM | Reply

Claiming you're gay while only having sex with women, and calling gays who have sex with men sinners for giving into their naughty impulses?

Your original comment wasn't about what he has said about gay people. It was about him being married to a woman while being gay.

I've criticized Bill's comments about gay rights many times.

#344 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-28 09:27 AM | Reply

If you did, you'd understand this behavior is not inconsistent with her feeling threatened.

It's also consistent with not being threatened, but instead being angry.

#345 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-28 09:29 AM | Reply

It's also consistent with not being threatened, but instead being angry.

Far moreso, in fact.

#346 | Posted by RevDarko at 2020-05-28 09:37 AM | Reply

You can feel both threatened and angry at the same time. Is this concept really so difficult to understand?

#347 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 09:41 AM | Reply

You can feel both threatened and angry at the same time. Is this concept really so difficult to understand?

You can also be a racist, entitled, animal-abusing nozzle who's willing to call the police and fabricate a story about having your life threatened because someone with darker skin DARED to tell you to obey the law.

And that's FAR easier to understand

#348 | Posted by RevDarko at 2020-05-28 10:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Then he's an idiot. He was basically inviting turmoil and confrontation. He's an ------- that's inserting himself into situations.
#271 | POSTED BY BOAZ

If he was a white guy playing dress up and open carrying assault style weapons, then then he'd be a patriot.

Maybe hang a democrat in effigy. Bonus points if it is Obama.

Extra bonus points if they have snipers on an overpass targeting BLM agents.

#349 | Posted by Nixon at 2020-05-28 10:31 AM | Reply

Laughing is good for you. I've just extended your lifespan. You're welcome.

#343 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

If that were true I'd live to be 349 after reading this thread.

And in the end, the love you get is equal to the love you give.

#350 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-28 10:53 AM | Reply

And in the end, the love you get is equal to the love you give.

Or 1/2 hour for $75 in some areas.

#351 | Posted by RevDarko at 2020-05-28 10:59 AM | Reply

"And that's FAR easier to understand"

Yeah, it's far easier to make up a reason you know is false about why she called the police, when you're looking for a reason to justify hatred.

"And in the end, the love you get is equal to the love you give."

Exactly.

#352 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 11:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yeah, it's far easier to make up a reason you know is false ...

You said he hates women and is a creeper, so don't go lecturing people about making ---- up.

#353 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-28 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah, it's far easier to make up a reason you know is false about why she called the police, when you're looking for a reason to justify hatred.

She made a point of saying to him that she was going to call the police and tell them an African American was threatening her life.

I made nothing up. Since he was not threatening her or her dog, as was clear by his demeanor (and, in fact HER demeanor was MUCH more threatening), what I posited was the most logical answer.

#354 | Posted by RevDarko at 2020-05-28 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it.

#355 | Posted by visitor_ at 2020-05-28 11:32 AM | Reply

"I made nothing up."

Yes you did. You claimed the reason she called the police is because someone "DARED to tell [her] to obey the law". You know that's not true.

#356 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 11:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You said he hates women"

That was sarcasm, dude. I know it's not always obvious on the internet, but I don't think it was that hard to tell from the context.

"and is a creeper"

That's entirely subjective. Bird watchers in general are creepy, IMO.

#357 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 11:51 AM | Reply

Yes you did. You claimed the reason she called the police is because someone "DARED to tell [her] to obey the law". You know that's not true.

I note you put the "her" in brackets. That word never appeared in what I said.

What I typed was a hypothetical counter to your hypothetical. No more or less fictional that your previous comment it was in answer to.

Do try to keep up.

#358 | Posted by RevDarko at 2020-05-28 12:35 PM | Reply

Derp.

#359 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 12:42 PM | Reply

Bird watchers in general are creepy, IMO.

LOL (genuine, not sarcastic). I once knew a guy with a pet bird who adopted some of its physical mannerisms. The way he turned his neck to look at you was disturbing.

#360 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-28 01:35 PM | Reply

If you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it.

The more I see this quote, the more it sounds like a parent or teacher talking to a disobedient child.

Christian Cooper is 57 and Amy Cooper is 41, so that's almost enough years for them to be a generation apart in age. She was acting like a child by insisting her needs to let the dog be unleashed were more important than the signs posted about following the law. So he talked to her like one.

#361 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-28 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Down with the patriarchy!

#362 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 03:07 PM | Reply

The more I see this debated, the more it seems to me that Mr. Cooper has had it with people and their dogs in the bird watching area. He purposefully carries treats to offer the dogs in an attempt to weird people out so that he gets them to leash their dog. This time he ran into a woman who went from 0-60 in record time once he weirded her out. She overreacted to him and his interaction with her dog, and now she is paying the price. If she doesn't over react so badly their's a chance we're discussing the story about the creepy guy in the park that got arrested in the park for being a creeper and offering the pets of women in secluded parts of the park treats in order to ....

#363 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-28 05:15 PM | Reply

#363 | Posted by kwrx25

You are an absolute idiot.

And an --- hole.

And you could not be more incorrect.

#364 | Posted by Angrydad at 2020-05-28 05:19 PM | Reply

Really AD?

It's so far of a stretch to think that if she keeps even a modicum of cool, makes a call that say's there is a man in the park that won't leave her alone, is trying to lure her dog away with treats and would like some help that this could have ended badly for him?

I didn't say he was wrong, or that she wasn't an ass... I'm sayin that he was definitely playing a game with the dog non leashers in the bird sanctuary and ran into an emotional one. If she had been just a bit less emotional his game may of turned against him.

The fact that you can't see any nuance in a situation pretty much makes you the idiot. And in general I'm pretty sure you're an ------- too.

#365 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2020-05-28 06:03 PM | Reply

Personally, I think they both approached this all full of pride.

Neither would back down.

They will both regret this.

Neither of them had the good sense to peddle it backwards.

#366 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-28 07:54 PM | Reply

One of them should have been the adult and walked away.

#367 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-28 08:02 PM | Reply

We need to look at this from her point of view as well as his.

I can well imagine she felt intimidated.

Threatened...I don't know...

Intimidated for sure.

Here is a complete stranger speaking to her. Do we have to make this racial?

Things escalated rapidly but at first she may have felt a little concerned this man is approaching her and...well...invading her space without permission.

Just because he had ever right to make a request to leash her dog, doesn't mean she didn't feel a little intimidated and well...afraid?

It escalated to something racial but that's not what I saw at first.

Very unfortunate how it played out.

This TicToc society of voyeurs is getting weird.

It's creepy how people are posting their lives for strangers to see.

Are we just that desperate for attention and approval?

#368 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-28 08:24 PM | Reply

So you're acknowledging that she felt threatened by him first.
No.
#312 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2020-05-27 07:33 PM

You have been proven wrong.

When Chris began offering treats to my dog and confronted me in an area where there was no one else nearby and said, "You're not going to like what I'm going to do next," I assumed we were being threatened

#369 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 08:24 PM | Reply

#369 | Posted by sentinel

You're correct Boaz, it isn't in dispute because Amy Cooper released her own statement in her own words that completely disagrees with every word that you wrote - especially her conclusion on what Christian Cooper actually did versus how she reacted to it:

I want to apologize to Chris Cooper for my actions when I encountered him in Central Park yesterday. I reacted emotionally and made false assumptions about his intentions when, in fact, I was the one who was acting inappropriately by not having my dog on a leash. When Chris began offering treats to my dog and confronted me in an area where there was no one else nearby and said, "You're not going to like what I'm going to do next," I assumed we were being threatened when all he had intended to do was record our encounter on his phone. He had every right to request that I leash my dog in an area where it was required. I am well aware of the pain that misassumptions and insensitive statements about race cause and would never have imagined that I would be involved in the type of incident that occurred with Chris. I hope that a few mortifying seconds in a lifetime of forty years will not define me in his eyes and that he will accept my sincere apology.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/statement-from-amy-cooper-on-central-park-incident-
301065492.html

She apologized for HER ACTIONS. She apologized for misinterpreting Christian's intentions BY THE WAY SHE RESPONDED - saying that what Christian requested HE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO DO. And finally in her second to last sentence she admits that her reaction was based on her own predjudice (simply meaning pre-judgement) referring to "the pain that misassumptions and insensitive statements about race cause and would never have imagined that I would be involved in the type of incident that occurred with Chris." She's saying that she responded the way she did BECAUSE of Christian's race. She says this, not me.

SHE took 100% percent responsibility for how the entire encounter regressed. SHE says that Christian did nothing wrong. Perhaps we should take her at her word over you and your now disputed interpretations - interpretations refuted by the woman herself.

Posted by tonyroma at 2020-05-28 07:04 PM

#370 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-28 08:36 PM | Reply

"- especially her conclusion on what Christian Cooper actually did versus how she reacted to it"

Her conclusion after the fact contradicts his own account.

ME: Look, if you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want, but you're not going to like it.

"HER: What's that?

"ME (to the dog): Come here, puppy!

"HER: He won't come to you.

"ME: We'll see about that ... " before adding, "I pull out the dog treats... I didn't even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.

"HER: DON'T YOU TOUCH MY DOG!!!!!


He clearly was not talking about video recording them here.

#371 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 09:35 PM | Reply

Preface: "ME: Look, if you're going to do what you want ..."

What she was doing was NOT putting a leash on her dog and/or and walking to a nearby area where it could run free. Any halfway decent person would have said, 'sorry,' and gone on their way. Her reaction to a normal request for he to abide by the rules (for the good of the birds in a distinct area where dogs would be a problem) makes her come off as an entitled jerk.

It should be baffling to comprehend how someone intelligent enough to own a computer is still arguing that he was somehow in the wrong, but it isn't anymore. Not after 3+ years of Trump and his defenders making it clear they don't have a moral compass. It's all about politics. Should be about right vs wrong, but it isn't for right wingers. They've excused a multitude of things Trump's done as OK, but would have caused them to carry torches to the WH if Obama still lived there.

#372 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2020-05-28 09:52 PM | Reply

He clearly was not talking about video recording them here.
#371 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

What was he clearly talking about then?

I'll take a guess for a follow up question.

If he meant violence with those words and she interpreted those words to mean that he intended violence, why didn't she run away? I thought that would be the natural reaction for anyone who felt their lives were in immediate danger.

#373 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-28 10:08 PM | Reply

"What was he clearly talking about then?"

You're being obtuse. He was clearly talking about luring her dog away from her. The first thing he pulled out of his pocket after this exchange was the doggie treats, not his camera. Unless you think he was going to video record them with the doggie treats (as she apparently does now), you're being disingenuous.

#374 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-28 10:55 PM | Reply

"He was clearly talking about luring her dog away from her."

Uh huh.
That's the only reason for putting the dog on the leash.
So it doesn't get lured away from her.
What strange twist of fate!

It's almost as if he was demonstrating the consequences of her refusal to comply with the law.
What a scoundrel!

#375 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 11:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I agree with Sentinel on that point. He pulled out the doggie treats so the dog would show interest in coming to him, forcing her to leash the dog. Just like he's done before with other miscreants violating the law in that park.

It's a non-violent, non-confrontational way of getting boneheads to stop letting their dogs tear up the park and scare all the wildlife away.

#376 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-28 11:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#375 - damn. great mind!

#377 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-28 11:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The more I see this debated, the more it seems to me that Mr. Cooper has had it with people and their dogs in the bird watching area. He purposefully carries treats to offer the dogs in an attempt to weird people out so that he gets them to leash their dog.
#363 | POSTED BY KWRX25

Works for me.
Seems like a great and completely legal way to deal with scofflaws.

#378 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 11:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Yav - thanks. You're one of the good ones.

#379 | Posted by snoofy at 2020-05-28 11:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yav - thanks. You're one of the good ones.
#379 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

As JEFFJ would say, 'He's a good egg.'

#380 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2020-05-28 11:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

::blush::
thanks guys.

#381 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-28 11:58 PM | Reply

Both of them had an excessive inflated sense of entitlement.

They both behaved inappropriately.

#382 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2020-05-29 08:06 AM | Reply

You have been proven wrong.

You intentionally omitted the rest of that sentence, which completely undercuts your position: "when all he had intended to do was record our encounter on his phone."

She also contradicted it here: "I reacted emotionally and made false assumptions about his intentions when, in fact, I was the one who was acting inappropriately by not having my dog on a leash."

#384 | Posted by rcade at 2020-05-29 08:40 AM | Reply

"You intentionally omitted the rest of that sentence, which completely undercuts your position: "when all he had intended to do was record our encounter on his phone."

You're being intentionally obtuse. She is self-immolating now in an attempt to appease those who want to crucify her, literally. I showed just a few posts ago how this new conclusion she's come to is flatly contradicted by his own transcript of how the events transpired. Stop pretending he was trying to video record her with doggy treats.

#386 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 11:39 AM | Reply

The more I think about it, I'm starting to suspect this was all just a surreal publicity stunt to promote another Twin Peaks revival.

#387 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 11:52 AM | Reply

They both behaved inappropriately.
#382 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Bad people on both sides I presume.

Desperate to prove this guy did wrong is so desperate!

Why are you guys desperate to prove him wrong?

She was obviously violating the rulz and he was obviously trying to get her to obey them.

I cannot understand why deplorables insist he was in the wrong when he was so obviously in the right.

This is a great example of how we live in parallel worlds but on the same planet.

#388 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 11:58 AM | Reply

"I cannot understand why deplorables insist he was in the wrong when he was so obviously in the right."

Because in their worldview a black man has no business telling a white woman anything.

#389 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-05-29 12:07 PM | Reply

"Why are you guys desperate to prove him wrong?"

Why are you so desperate to defend his caddish behavior after he knew she felt threatened?

#390 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:22 PM | Reply

#389, ---- off with your straw man troll.

#391 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

---- off with your straw man troll.

#391 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

You seem to be strangely obsessed with the outcome of this.

Was that loser your girlfriend?

#392 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 12:32 PM | Reply

"after he knew she felt threatened?"

#390 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Speculation counselor. You have no idea what she "felt"

There was no evidence of a threat or that she "felt" threatened.

Also

"You might not like it."

Is not a threat.

It's a warning.

#393 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 12:35 PM | Reply

"There was no evidence of a threat or that she "felt" threatened."

It's been proven many times by citing her own words, both in the video and also from her apology. You know you've lost this argument and you're being a passive-aggressive little bitch.

#394 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 12:54 PM | Reply

" You know you've lost this argument and you're being a passive-aggressive little bitch."

You lost the argument the minute the woman admitted she was 100% at fault and the guy had done nothing wrong. Yet here we are.

#395 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-05-29 01:01 PM | Reply

Statement from Amy Cooper on Central Park Incident

I want to apologize to Chris Cooper for my actions when I encountered him in Central Park yesterday. I reacted emotionally and made false assumptions about his intentions when, in fact, I was the one who was acting inappropriately by not having my dog on a leash. When Chris began offering treats to my dog and confronted me in an area where there was no one else nearby and said, "You're not going to like what I'm going to do next," I assumed we were being threatened when all he had intended to do was record our encounter on his phone. He had every right to request that I leash my dog in an area where it was required. I am well aware of the pain that misassumptions and insensitive statements about race cause and would never have imagined that I would be involved in the type of incident that occurred with Chris. I hope that a few mortifying seconds in a lifetime of forty years will not define me in his eyes and that he will accept my sincere apology.

Amy Cooper took full responsibility for how she reacted to her encounter with Christian Cooper.
All Sentinel is doing is stoking racist revisionism that flies in the face of both participants themselves. There should be no place for that crap here. His opinion does not invalidate Amy Cooper's own factual recitation of her actions - which themselves negate the ignorant and prejudicial viewpoint that Sentinel is propagating.

POSTED BY TONYROMA

#396 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2020-05-29 01:09 PM | Reply

Re # 369

Someone check on Sentinel. He was so invested in her.

Now she done gone and told the truth.

That's gonna sting a little.

#397 | Posted by donnerboy at 2020-05-29 01:21 PM | Reply

He was so invested in her.

Downright obsessed.

#398 | Posted by REDIAL at 2020-05-29 01:28 PM | Reply

You Nancy Boys are obsessed with him. You all wish he was your boyfriend, that's why you're so invested in defending his racist and misogynistic behavior.

#399 | Posted by sentinel at 2020-05-29 03:03 PM | Reply

Racist?
Misogynistic?

No evidence of either.
Lots of poop throwing from you, though.

#400 | Posted by YAV at 2020-05-29 04:23 PM | Reply

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